I dont think you understand the underlying functional value of these forums, each of these sections are not an alternative official forum for whatever game you are looking forward to, it is a means for ANYONE fan, hater, troll, reviewer, forum rat, attention seeker, MMORPG fan, to voice and discuss their opinions on said products.
The "you dont like it move along" may as well be true on official forums but not here, ppl like the discuss releases and the state of the industry in general, ppl like to give their opinion on products they like and DONT like, and most ppl like to hear what others have to say.
Also most ppl dont really care about reporting or giving any feedback to SE. who cares I am not being paid for it, ppl just like to voice their opinion and share it with others which they are more than welcome according to the forums rules to do, if you on the other hand dont feel that this is the sort of discussion you want to be part of and instead wish to discuss your opinion with the fans of the game then my advice is go to the official forums and disregard any posts here.
I'd like to think a majority of people don't waste precious internet time doing shit like this. Seeing as they do they shouldn't get upset if they get raged on. It's just normal forum manners.
As opposed to what !? Watching porn, dont think anyone is going to find the cure for cancer by spending precious time on the internet.
If they express what they don't like it's easy enough for people to have the right to express not agreeing with them. However, people have a hard time eating what they are dishing out. Which is very humorous.
Sure no one said ppl cant disagree if you read my post you will notice that I did mention that everyone can voice an opinion wether they like it or not, telling ppl to stop posting and go away is not an opinion is idiocy and counter productive if anything it has the opposite effect.
I personally love a creative trolling attempt with some witty remarks that I can laugh over as I continue with my day. I do NOT like feeling like I'm picking on a mentally disabled kid that shouldn't even be on the internet much less functioning enough to know what an MMO is. But that's just how I feel.
It is a syndrome with forum users nowadays and specially within MMORPG forums that ppl feel the need to transpire this idea that they are mentally more capable or superior which is funny to say the least, dont think I have ever had a discussion with anyone I thought was very intelligent where they had to make a remark on how intellectually superior they were.
I'd like to think a majority of people don't waste precious internet time doing shit like this. Seeing as they do they shouldn't get upset if they get raged on. It's just normal forum manners.
As opposed to what !? Watching porn, dont think anyone is going to find the cure for cancer by spending precious time on the internet.
Working? Researching the games they want to play? Helping players understand games that they LIKE or are GOOD at. There are tons of constructive things that could be done instead of being negative. If I like blue and you like red, so what? It doesn't make red better than blue. They are just colors. A game is a game is a game. And actually seeing as most conferences are held via video meetings ect over the internet these days to save scientists time and research money I think that someone could find the cure for cancer by spending time on the internet. And when I said precious I meant that not every just sits on their butts in front of the computer doing nothing all day. We all have responsibilities. Therefore any time we have for freedom I would hope the majority of us would spend it constructively. But you are right I'm an idealist. "The internet was made for porn." Or so they tell me.
If they express what they don't like it's easy enough for people to have the right to express not agreeing with them. However, people have a hard time eating what they are dishing out. Which is very humorous.
Sure no one said ppl cant disagree if you read my post you will notice that I did mention that everyone can voice an opinion wether they like it or not, telling ppl to stop posting and go away is not an opinion is idiocy and counter productive if anything it has the opposite effect.
I was agreeing with you, why do you feel so attacked? and telling people to stop posting and to go away IS an opinion. Because it's their opinion that that other person doesn't belong. And the fact that you are calling it idiocy means that you are just as bad as the people you are demeaning. Belittling peoples views is not productive, we agree on that. So try practicing what you preach .
I personally love a creative trolling attempt with some witty remarks that I can laugh over as I continue with my day. I do NOT like feeling like I'm picking on a mentally disabled kid that shouldn't even be on the internet much less functioning enough to know what an MMO is. But that's just how I feel.
It is a syndrome with forum users nowadays and specially within MMORPG forums that ppl feel the need to transpire this idea that they are mentally more capable or superior which is funny to say the least, dont think I have ever had a discussion with anyone I thought was very intelligent where they had to make a remark on how intellectually superior they were.
What are you talking about? Are you assuming that I think I'm smarter than anyone? If so you are sadly mistaken and again jumping to assumptions. I was referring to the fact that some of these complaints are baseless. Say I talk with a mentally retarded kid who says that he doesn't have a father or a mother because he has never seen them. It's just a lack of information. Hence my analogy. A lot of the complaints that people have bring up could of been easily solved or addressed if they had taken the time to ask questions properly or do a little bit of research. Just because I did doesn't make me smarter than them just more knowledgeable about the information at hand. And I don't remember alluding to the fact that I was more intelligent. They probably know a lot more about some other game than I do, however if I know something they don't know I can choose to give out information or not. Because it really isn't my responsibility seeing as they have made up their mind. If they don't like something it really isn't my place to change their mind, however It is my place to try correcting any misinformation that gets out due to their ignorance. Ignorance isn't a crime, we are all ignorant in different areas and it's our job to help each other out. Tones may vary but information is information.
See what I did there?
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I'd like to think a majority of people don't waste precious internet time doing shit like this. Seeing as they do they shouldn't get upset if they get raged on. It's just normal forum manners.
As opposed to what !? Watching porn, dont think anyone is going to find the cure for cancer by spending precious time on the internet.
Working? Researching the games they want to play? Helping players understand games that they LIKE or are GOOD at. There are tons of constructive things that could be done instead of being negative. If I like blue and you like red, so what? It doesn't make red better than blue. They are just colors. A game is a game is a game. And actually seeing as most conferences are held via video meetings ect over the internet these days to save scientists time and research money I think that someone could find the cure for cancer by spending time on the internet. And when I said precious I meant that not every just sits on their butts in front of the computer doing nothing all day. We all have responsibilities. Therefore any time we have for freedom I would hope the majority of us would spend it constructively. But you are right I'm an idealist. "The internet was made for porn." Or so they tell me.
If they express what they don't like it's easy enough for people to have the right to express not agreeing with them. However, people have a hard time eating what they are dishing out. Which is very humorous.
Sure no one said ppl cant disagree if you read my post you will notice that I did mention that everyone can voice an opinion wether they like it or not, telling ppl to stop posting and go away is not an opinion is idiocy and counter productive if anything it has the opposite effect.
I was agreeing with you, why do you feel so attacked? and telling people to stop posting and to go away IS an opinion. Because it's their opinion that that other person doesn't belong. And the fact that you are calling it idiocy means that you are just as bad as the people you are demeaning. Belittling peoples views is not productive, we agree on that. So try practicing what you preach .
I personally love a creative trolling attempt with some witty remarks that I can laugh over as I continue with my day. I do NOT like feeling like I'm picking on a mentally disabled kid that shouldn't even be on the internet much less functioning enough to know what an MMO is. But that's just how I feel.
It is a syndrome with forum users nowadays and specially within MMORPG forums that ppl feel the need to transpire this idea that they are mentally more capable or superior which is funny to say the least, dont think I have ever had a discussion with anyone I thought was very intelligent where they had to make a remark on how intellectually superior they were.
What are you talking about? Are you assuming that I think I'm smarter than anyone? If so you are sadly mistaken and again jumping to assumptions. I was referring to the fact that some of these complaints are baseless. Say I talk with a mentally retarded kid who says that he doesn't have a father or a mother because he has never seen them. It's just a lack of information. Hence my analogy. A lot of the complaints that people have bring up could of been easily solved or addressed if they had taken the time to ask questions properly or do a little bit of research. Just because I did doesn't make me smarter than them just more knowledgeable about the information at hand. And I don't remember alluding to the fact that I was more intelligent. They probably know a lot more about some other game than I do, however if I know something they don't know I can choose to give out information or not. Because it really isn't my responsibility seeing as they have made up their mind. If they don't like something it really isn't my place to change their mind, however It is my place to try correcting any misinformation that gets out due to their ignorance. Ignorance isn't a crime, we are all ignorant in different areas and it's our job to help each other out. Tones may vary but information is information.
See what I did there?
Sorry If I sounded too defensive did not mean to come accross as that at all, I agree with your points except that I dont feel that being negative towards a game is in any way shape or form, bad or sending bad vibes, I honestly dont, If I dont feel a game is contributing or delivering to the level I expect at this day and age then I am ok with ppl pointing out their opinion.
In no way I think that pointing out something bad about a form of entertainment is a non constructive thing, it is in fact as constructive in my opinion as pointing out something good about a game they like, in the real world none of these two actions contributes positively towards our evolution as a species, and ppl should take it as that as an opinion or view that they can or not comment on, while I know some ppl do feel the need to "rage" or make it personal when something bad is said I dont feel that way really, and ppl who do feel personally attacked by an opinion on a game should really rethink their priorities.
Good or bad I'd like to think both have a place in these forums imagine how dull this would be if every section here was just for ppl praising the game. Boring as hell.
Sorry If I sounded too defensive did not mean to come accross as that at all, I agree with your points except that I dont feel that being negative towards a game is in any way shape or form, bad or sending bad vibes, I honestly dont, If I dont feel a game is contributing or delivering to the level I expect at this day and age then I am ok with ppl pointing out their opinion.
In no way I think that pointing out something bad about a form of entertainment is a non constructive thing, it is in fact as constructive in my opinion as pointing out something good about a game they like, in the real world none of these two actions contributes positively towards our evolution as a species, and ppl should take it as that as an opinion or view that they can or not comment on, while I know some ppl do feel the need to "rage" or make it personal when something bad is said I dont feel that way really, and ppl who do feel personally attacked by an opinion on a game should really rethink their priorities.
Good or bad I'd like to think both have a place in these forums imagine how dull this would be if every section here was just for ppl praising the game. Boring as hell.
Yup which is why fans like me even bother to leave fan sites to deal with this stuff. It's a form of entertainment. People are entertained with pulling down a game, others are entertained by pulling it up, and others yet are just entertained by the whole thing. If they weren't they wouldn't be here.
Therefore anything that happens is constructive entertainment because it's a free for all.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
In my opinion the "innovative" GUI will hurt the game sales the most - and in the long run the casual-only approach.
Regarding the topic: a game flops only when it doesn't meet the expectations of the publisher. If SE is fine with 50k subscribers, it will not flop.
Exactly correct. Sometimes just taking a 'piece' of the action is sufficient. Obviously, SE is hoping the a larger share of the market as it is a AAA title but only their top level executives can say what the hoped for % is. And of course, that isn't going to happen. Then too, only their teams know for sure what is going to be live at start and what is already in the works for 'planned' expansions and adds.
Building a large MMO is far from a 'sit down and program'. The teams of developers, marketing folks, even psychologists to assess the moods of the people playing and commenting on play. My personal opinion is that the GUI has been received as 'needs change' and we'll see changes to help moderate some of the negative feedback. SE , while slow to make sweeping changes, does have $$ to consider and I don't think they will alienate a sizable potential share of gamers. The end result may not be 'WoW' (if it is I quit) but I think some of the 'harder' curves in the game will be mitigated.
Exactly why I stayed away from this thread, but it's still alive. Truth is, the game will be better off without these people. They expected an experience resembling the modern-day MMO's that are flooding the genre today. When the game wasn't so easy, they bashed it for the dumbest reasons. I wanna be immature and say QQ to them, but that just fuels these trolls.
They really didn't want to learn anything new from an MMO. They wanted to dive-in and be walked through the game. If FFXIV was just another one of those games, it would fail.
I love it when people seem to think that FFXI or XIV is a difficult MMO. It just makes you sound like a prat when you say things like that. There's a big difference between challenging content and being an unintuitive mess. Unfortunately, XIV is the latter. The CONTENT is supposed to be challenging. Simple things that, dare I say, people expect from a modern-day MMO are absent; it makes the game difficult to play, but it doesn't make the game difficult. You'll have to forgive the current generation of gamers for wanting an easily playable game. I like challenge, but I want to be challenged in the right areas. If navigating your way through a labyrinth of menus, macros, and wonky controls is your idea of a "hard" MMO... well then more power to you.
The system in Final Fantasy XIV is set up so that you can customize it to perform better than a more simplistic and graphically intrusive GUI. You can program macros to perform most functions with a single key stroke. They've done a lot to ensure that the keyboard and mouse can be just as functional as a game controller and personally I find that the keyboard and mouse have more functionality than a X-box 360 controller. Many other recent MMOs have tried to make a cross platform release, but had to dumb down their game so much to make it platform suitable that they ended up disappointing the PC gamers to the point that they couldn't get the funds to release the platform version. Final Fantasy XIV doesn't do that. It has a menu driven system becuase it offers a multitude of options that a simple GUI would lack.
Exactly why I stayed away from this thread, but it's still alive. Truth is, the game will be better off without these people. They expected an experience resembling the modern-day MMO's that are flooding the genre today. When the game wasn't so easy, they bashed it for the dumbest reasons. I wanna be immature and say QQ to them, but that just fuels these trolls.
They really didn't want to learn anything new from an MMO. They wanted to dive-in and be walked through the game. If FFXIV was just another one of those games, it would fail.
I love it when people seem to think that FFXI or XIV is a difficult MMO. It just makes you sound like a prat when you say things like that. There's a big difference between challenging content and being an unintuitive mess. Unfortunately, XIV is the latter. The CONTENT is supposed to be challenging. Simple things that, dare I say, people expect from a modern-day MMO are absent; it makes the game difficult to play, but it doesn't make the game difficult. You'll have to forgive the current generation of gamers for wanting an easily playable game. I like challenge, but I want to be challenged in the right areas. If navigating your way through a labyrinth of menus, macros, and wonky controls is your idea of a "hard" MMO... well then more power to you.
The system in Final Fantasy XIV is set up so that you can customize it to perform better than a more simplistic and graphically intrusive GUI. You can program macros to perform most functions with a single key stroke. They've done a lot to ensure that the keyboard and mouse can be just as functional as a game controller and personally I find that the keyboard and mouse have more functionality than a X-box 360 controller. Many other recent MMOs have tried to make a cross platform release, but had to dumb down their game so much to make it platform suitable that they ended up disappointing the PC gamers to the point that they couldn't get the funds to release the platform version. Final Fantasy XIV doesn't do that. It has a menu driven system becuase it offers a multitude of options that a simple GUI would lack.
1) Not "newbie" friendly Now normally this wouldn't be a huge deal. Im all for making a game challenging, but most of it in this game seems to be out of laziness. When in town, you have NO idea what different NPC's are there for. Whats more, there are pretty much no tutorials, ( I had to figure out how to equip my own actions ), and just felt completely LOST in the game. The maps are horrible. As far as I can tell when you press M, what you see is what you get. So if you are in town, you'll likely only see about half of the town, and have no idea what is in the rest.
I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post.
In town they have a map and if you open it you can see the names of all the buildings. Secondly I would hope that you'd know that in a weapons shop the npc there sells weapons. With each of the stands in the exchange they have signs on them that show what they are for. Or you can just look at the stand itself and see that it has food so they must be selling food.
To move the map you used JKLI same thing in character creation to move it.
Would it of killed you to read a manual? Or even just ASK someone running around. I'm sure they would of had time to explain it to you.
i agree with this guy about this many people nowdays are too lazy to figure thngs out themself even when it's smack bang in there face but refuse to look at the symbol with a bloody sword and shield and just ask what is this guy selling WTF people LOOK your eyes are for LOOKING wheres peoples innotive to think well mabye ill look at whats in the store oh theres sword he must sell swords(DING DING DING) your right you used you eyes and your brain congratz have a cookie
God im only 19 but even i figure most things out myself i only have to ask about 2-3 times for help from others and mostly thats at the start of a game although most of my experiance is playing eve for 3 years also played alot of amiga in my childhood with snes and good old games that made you use your shit in your head called a brain
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Wow you played alot of amiga?! Your 19 that means your were born in what 1990 and amiga fizzled out and filed for bankrupcy in 1994. It's more likely that you played alot of nes as it came out in 85' and flourished and microsoft started to take off at the same time. So those would be the prevalent media devices for gaming in your era.
Wow you played alot of amiga?! Your 19 that means your were born in what 1990 and amiga fizzled out and filed for bankrupcy in 1994. It's more likely that you played alot of nes as it came out in 85' and flourished and microsoft started to take off at the same time. So those would be the prevalent media devices for gaming in your era.
I'm pretty sure I can still play Commadore 64 right now. And I don't have to be 8 million and 12 to do it.
1) Not "newbie" friendly Now normally this wouldn't be a huge deal. Im all for making a game challenging, but most of it in this game seems to be out of laziness. When in town, you have NO idea what different NPC's are there for. Whats more, there are pretty much no tutorials, ( I had to figure out how to equip my own actions ), and just felt completely LOST in the game. The maps are horrible. As far as I can tell when you press M, what you see is what you get. So if you are in town, you'll likely only see about half of the town, and have no idea what is in the rest.
2) Technical Problems I wont go too much into this one, but there are still many technical issues, from disconects to UI mouse lag, etc. It is OB, but the game is out in less than a week, so im a bit worried there. Also, FFXI had a similar laggy feel as well, so im not expecting too much improvement.
3) Character Development Ok, so mediocre character creation. A lot of the different options I couldn't tell what was changing on my character. Couldn't rotate the character during creation either. No big deal there.
1. It's open beta, the devs aren't letting you play it so you can see if you like it. They're letting you play so they can stress test things. And even if they don't add more tutorials, why should an mmorpg guide you around by the hand all the time? Do a little bit of reading and it a little bit of thinking and FFXIV is just fine. You don't walk into a city you've never been in before looking for a bank and instantly know where to go right? You ask around the community or you spend a ltitle time famliarizing yourself with the city first. I think you're also forgetting that the game will most likely come with an instruction manual as do most games when they release.
2. FFXIV has had a very stable open beta. You must not have played WoW at launch or beta, now that was a prime example of technical problems. There is a hardware mouse fix for OB on the forums and the Devs are putting it into the retail release too. Also supposedly there is a diagnostic program running during beta which is causing a little extra lag (but a modern computer on medium settings should take care of even that).
3. I think you're just nitpicking now with minor details such as not being able to change your chin length and etc in the character creator.
I agree that FFXIV isn't for everyone but you're making your assumptions based on a beta test which as I said earlier is not designed to entice you to play the game.
It's designed to be a niche game. People thought it was designed to be like WoW. You were/are wrong.
There are potentially 400-500k subscribers in japan that do not play Wow, Aion, Aoc, Warhammer, Lotro. Etc.
There are millions millions of FF fans around the world, that do not play MMOS.
Is it hard to imagin FFXIV getting 100k subcribers in NA? Another 100k in EU? Maybe 300-500k In Japan?
So how can a game getting potentially anywhere from 500-700k subscribers be a flop? EVERYTHING is a flop compared to WoW, but objectively speaking, this game will be as successful as FFXI, which is one of the most successul mmo's of all time.
As for people asking me where I am getting my numbers... i'm GUESSING because that's all we can do at this point. But for this community that thinks games like Aoc/Warhammer flopped, EVEN THOSE games have at least those numbers in NA/EU.
Unlike those games, there's an entire market that Aoc/War can't touch in Japan, that FFXIV can and will. If this isn't your cup of tea... just move on... you'll get the type of game you want from SWTOR and GW2, leave something that is truely different to those of us that are starving for it, and have been waiting for years and years.
It's sad to see when something different is actually released, people just want to make it to a WoW clone (at least UI wise). Variety is the spice of life.
to me 'niche game' is code language for mmo failure.
I'm sorry but that's idiotic.
You should be happy for variety...
I dont' know anything in life that is worth a damn that is also mainstream. All the great art, great music are "niche."
PS - It's a failure only if the game intended on being mainstream but ended up being niche. SE has always aimed at being niche by catering to FF players, Japanese console players, and FFXI vets.
I dont think you understand the underlying functional value of these forums, each of these sections are not an alternative official forum for whatever game you are looking forward to, it is a means for ANYONE fan, hater, troll, reviewer, forum rat, attention seeker, MMORPG fan, to voice and discuss their opinions on said products.
The "you dont like it move along" may as well be true on official forums but not here, ppl like the discuss releases and the state of the industry in general, ppl like to give their opinion on products they like and DONT like, and most ppl like to hear what others have to say.
Also most ppl dont really care about reporting or giving any feedback to SE. who cares I am not being paid for it, ppl just like to voice their opinion and share it with others which they are more than welcome according to the forums rules to do, if you on the other hand dont feel that this is the sort of discussion you want to be part of and instead wish to discuss your opinion with the fans of the game then my advice is go to the official forums and disregard any posts here.
Even as you say this, the "value" of hating on a game simply because you're not part of the niche it's intended for is sketchy, at best.
Originally posted by Terikan3
to me 'niche game' is code language for mmo failure.
To me, after watching games try to copy WoW's broad appeal only to have it blow up in their faces, not developing for a niche is planning to fail.
well in fact i started playing the snes and the amiga at the same time around when i was 6-7 so around about 1996-1997 only beacuse the company has gone dusn't mean we all have to give our systems back and besides they was my brothers and he's 35 right now so yeah they was kinda passed down to me
and yeah the post below you is right if i can find the amiga i can play it right now
snes sadly has broke and im not buying a new one when ive got a PC
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War never been so much fun!!!!
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Game is NOT gonna flop. many will have issues with the game however square-enix did mention they want to get their current playerbase with ffxi intergrated first. so for those players is where this one is aimed for. for the record ffxi didnt flop.
ffxi class combination is going ala uo/ istaria senario which is interesting in its own way.
FF 14 is not gonna be the next best thing but lets look at what out there now. Theres really not much to choose from, many mmorpgs are not doing well. there is a huge ammount of players in wow that are burnt out and will try the game out for the sake of somthing new till cata comes out so expect a huge influx of players.
for me combat is kinda meh, but ill admit i have not tried it out in a group where my friend does tell me it does shine.
im on the waiting side but i darn know this game wont flop as you claim.
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You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Sorry If I sounded too defensive did not mean to come accross as that at all, I agree with your points except that I dont feel that being negative towards a game is in any way shape or form, bad or sending bad vibes, I honestly dont, If I dont feel a game is contributing or delivering to the level I expect at this day and age then I am ok with ppl pointing out their opinion.
In no way I think that pointing out something bad about a form of entertainment is a non constructive thing, it is in fact as constructive in my opinion as pointing out something good about a game they like, in the real world none of these two actions contributes positively towards our evolution as a species, and ppl should take it as that as an opinion or view that they can or not comment on, while I know some ppl do feel the need to "rage" or make it personal when something bad is said I dont feel that way really, and ppl who do feel personally attacked by an opinion on a game should really rethink their priorities.
Good or bad I'd like to think both have a place in these forums imagine how dull this would be if every section here was just for ppl praising the game. Boring as hell.
Yup which is why fans like me even bother to leave fan sites to deal with this stuff. It's a form of entertainment. People are entertained with pulling down a game, others are entertained by pulling it up, and others yet are just entertained by the whole thing. If they weren't they wouldn't be here.
Therefore anything that happens is constructive entertainment because it's a free for all.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Exactly correct. Sometimes just taking a 'piece' of the action is sufficient. Obviously, SE is hoping the a larger share of the market as it is a AAA title but only their top level executives can say what the hoped for % is. And of course, that isn't going to happen. Then too, only their teams know for sure what is going to be live at start and what is already in the works for 'planned' expansions and adds.
Building a large MMO is far from a 'sit down and program'. The teams of developers, marketing folks, even psychologists to assess the moods of the people playing and commenting on play. My personal opinion is that the GUI has been received as 'needs change' and we'll see changes to help moderate some of the negative feedback. SE , while slow to make sweeping changes, does have $$ to consider and I don't think they will alienate a sizable potential share of gamers. The end result may not be 'WoW' (if it is I quit) but I think some of the 'harder' curves in the game will be mitigated.
The system in Final Fantasy XIV is set up so that you can customize it to perform better than a more simplistic and graphically intrusive GUI. You can program macros to perform most functions with a single key stroke. They've done a lot to ensure that the keyboard and mouse can be just as functional as a game controller and personally I find that the keyboard and mouse have more functionality than a X-box 360 controller. Many other recent MMOs have tried to make a cross platform release, but had to dumb down their game so much to make it platform suitable that they ended up disappointing the PC gamers to the point that they couldn't get the funds to release the platform version. Final Fantasy XIV doesn't do that. It has a menu driven system becuase it offers a multitude of options that a simple GUI would lack.
That wasn't the point of my post, but thanks
i agree with this guy about this many people nowdays are too lazy to figure thngs out themself even when it's smack bang in there face but refuse to look at the symbol with a bloody sword and shield and just ask what is this guy selling WTF people LOOK your eyes are for LOOKING wheres peoples innotive to think well mabye ill look at whats in the store oh theres sword he must sell swords(DING DING DING) your right you used you eyes and your brain congratz have a cookie
God im only 19 but even i figure most things out myself i only have to ask about 2-3 times for help from others and mostly thats at the start of a game although most of my experiance is playing eve for 3 years also played alot of amiga in my childhood with snes and good old games that made you use your shit in your head called a brain
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Wow you played alot of amiga?! Your 19 that means your were born in what 1990 and amiga fizzled out and filed for bankrupcy in 1994. It's more likely that you played alot of nes as it came out in 85' and flourished and microsoft started to take off at the same time. So those would be the prevalent media devices for gaming in your era.
I'm pretty sure I can still play Commadore 64 right now. And I don't have to be 8 million and 12 to do it.
No one thinks it's hard. They think it sucks.
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1. It's open beta, the devs aren't letting you play it so you can see if you like it. They're letting you play so they can stress test things. And even if they don't add more tutorials, why should an mmorpg guide you around by the hand all the time? Do a little bit of reading and it a little bit of thinking and FFXIV is just fine. You don't walk into a city you've never been in before looking for a bank and instantly know where to go right? You ask around the community or you spend a ltitle time famliarizing yourself with the city first. I think you're also forgetting that the game will most likely come with an instruction manual as do most games when they release.
2. FFXIV has had a very stable open beta. You must not have played WoW at launch or beta, now that was a prime example of technical problems. There is a hardware mouse fix for OB on the forums and the Devs are putting it into the retail release too. Also supposedly there is a diagnostic program running during beta which is causing a little extra lag (but a modern computer on medium settings should take care of even that).
3. I think you're just nitpicking now with minor details such as not being able to change your chin length and etc in the character creator.
I agree that FFXIV isn't for everyone but you're making your assumptions based on a beta test which as I said earlier is not designed to entice you to play the game.
This game won't flop.
It's designed to be a niche game. People thought it was designed to be like WoW. You were/are wrong.
There are potentially 400-500k subscribers in japan that do not play Wow, Aion, Aoc, Warhammer, Lotro. Etc.
There are millions millions of FF fans around the world, that do not play MMOS.
Is it hard to imagin FFXIV getting 100k subcribers in NA? Another 100k in EU? Maybe 300-500k In Japan?
So how can a game getting potentially anywhere from 500-700k subscribers be a flop? EVERYTHING is a flop compared to WoW, but objectively speaking, this game will be as successful as FFXI, which is one of the most successul mmo's of all time.
As for people asking me where I am getting my numbers... i'm GUESSING because that's all we can do at this point. But for this community that thinks games like Aoc/Warhammer flopped, EVEN THOSE games have at least those numbers in NA/EU.
Unlike those games, there's an entire market that Aoc/War can't touch in Japan, that FFXIV can and will. If this isn't your cup of tea... just move on... you'll get the type of game you want from SWTOR and GW2, leave something that is truely different to those of us that are starving for it, and have been waiting for years and years.
It's sad to see when something different is actually released, people just want to make it to a WoW clone (at least UI wise). Variety is the spice of life.
to me 'niche game' is code language for mmo failure.
It's going to be more than a niche game. Probably will compete with Aion for the 2nd place spot.
I'm sorry but that's idiotic.
You should be happy for variety...
I dont' know anything in life that is worth a damn that is also mainstream. All the great art, great music are "niche."
PS - It's a failure only if the game intended on being mainstream but ended up being niche. SE has always aimed at being niche by catering to FF players, Japanese console players, and FFXI vets.
Even as you say this, the "value" of hating on a game simply because you're not part of the niche it's intended for is sketchy, at best.
To me, after watching games try to copy WoW's broad appeal only to have it blow up in their faces, not developing for a niche is planning to fail.
Why are you here posting on a failure game then ?
Nothin we can say will change your mind , i can acept that but you sir are a troll.
When you have somethin to discuss and not every "game sucks" line you been throwing , ill gladly discuss it.
well in fact i started playing the snes and the amiga at the same time around when i was 6-7 so around about 1996-1997 only beacuse the company has gone dusn't mean we all have to give our systems back
and besides they was my brothers and he's 35 right now so yeah they was kinda passed down to me
and yeah the post below you is right if i can find the amiga i can play it right now
snes sadly has broke
and im not buying a new one when ive got a PC
fav game cannon fodder still remeber the song lyrics
War never been so much fun!!!!
love it
Played AoC,WaR,Allods,archlord,WoW,Fallen Earth, and many more
Life fears death, but lives only to die. It starts with anxiety. Anxiety becomes fear. Fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate... hate leads to suffering... The only cure for this fear is total destruction.
Game is NOT gonna flop. many will have issues with the game however square-enix did mention they want to get their current playerbase with ffxi intergrated first. so for those players is where this one is aimed for. for the record ffxi didnt flop.
ffxi class combination is going ala uo/ istaria senario which is interesting in its own way.
FF 14 is not gonna be the next best thing but lets look at what out there now. Theres really not much to choose from, many mmorpgs are not doing well. there is a huge ammount of players in wow that are burnt out and will try the game out for the sake of somthing new till cata comes out so expect a huge influx of players.
for me combat is kinda meh, but ill admit i have not tried it out in a group where my friend does tell me it does shine.
im on the waiting side but i darn know this game wont flop as you claim.