Thats the thing. There isnt any better fantasy game than WOW.
I suppose for a game that has graphics designed to run grandma's Hewlett Packard with a Pentium 4 and a ATI Radeon 7200 , your idea of fresh content is a game that has expansions every two and a half years and your concept of end game is doing the same half dozen raids for years and years it is great LOL
lol, yeah the graphics are pretty sad from what i've seen. (i've never held a sub) The majority of my friends that played WoW for awhile went and tried the 10 day for lotro they used to have and never went back. The thing I hear the most when asking about WoW from them is "it's a kids game" lol. Is there a stat that shows the age groups of people playing WoW? From what I've heard I wouldn't doubt if the vast majority was under 18.
Seriously? And I suppose lotro is mature and very difficult? Would be interesting to see what you call hard content.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
The end game of LOTRO can be summed up by what type of player you are. If you dont spend alot of time every night playing you will find plenty of content. Someone like me, who plays games at work (yes I have an awesome job) for 5-6 hrs a night 5 days a week then no LOTRO doesnt have nearly enough content to keep you busy. However I have always enjoyed playing till I got bored then waiting for the next expansion. To me the game is pretty well done and enjoyable/worth the money. Just have a backup game.
it is quite amusing to see the WoW fanspeople over here attacking LoTRO while singing the praises of a game that has a handful of raids they call a end game and has released. WoW has had only 2 expansions since it's release in 2004 and a third on the way.
Glad to see your still waving your pom poms. I have played a lot of mmo's including lotro for three years. Yeah, wow has released two xpacs and continues to comand a huge subscriber lead over any other game. Lotro on the other hand has released an xpac and a half and had to go F2P to survive. Do you really want to compare the talent at Blizzard with that at Turbine? You really should expand your horizons a bit. Lotro isnt the only mmo available and far from the best.
Honestly, this comparison between LOTRO and WoW is becoming tiring at best. WoW and LOTRO had certainly their pros and cons, but it is clear that they appeal to different audience. While LOTRO caters more to mature, casual players, WoW is directed more to an younger audience and people liking raiding and PvP. Both can coexist and focing the comparison between both games is really like comparing apples to oranges.
To each its own. I prefer LOTRO for a variety of reasons, which are entirely subjective and personal, ranging from the fact that I'm not interested in PvP, prefer to play in a mature environment and am not too much in multiple hours Raiding due to time restrictions.
There is no comparison. One is the most succesful MMO or all time the other is a WOW clone that failed to maintain a sub base and went F2P.
Actually there is a comparison. Take a look at alot of f2p models. Some of them have numbers that dwarf WoW's. Subscription numbers dont exactly mean the game is good or bad. LOTRO caters to a MUCH diffrent crowd than WoW does. WoW has some of the best raids and alot of people love the pvp. LOTRO has a MUCH better IP which means better storylines and imo they did the leveling process MUCH better than WoW. 2 diffrent playstyles.
I dont play LOTRO anymore (well till the next xpac) because I enjoy the leveling and story so I run out of content pretty quickly. Same with WoW I'm currently taking a break from that. Have everything I want from ICC and since raiding is the only thing I enjoy in that game I'll wait for cata.
The end game of LOTRO can be summed up by what type of player you are. If you dont spend alot of time every night playing you will find plenty of content. Someone like me, who plays games at work (yes I have an awesome job) for 5-6 hrs a night 5 days a week then no LOTRO doesnt have nearly enough content to keep you busy. However I have always enjoyed playing till I got bored then waiting for the next expansion. To me the game is pretty well done and enjoyable/worth the money. Just have a backup game.
That is why it lost so many subs. People left until an xpac was released and the xpac never came. The came had a chance to be a major game in the industry and instead let it dwindle until F2P was the only option left.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
You just admited you hardly have scratched the game's surface, you just said you have not even reached level cap, yet here you are defending lotro's end-game, which you have not even seen.
Can you imagine how much weight your opinion has?
I have seen what it has to offer, and I have read up on it, and know people that have been there done that.
Most people dont need to get to level 80 in WoW to know thats all there is to 80, is raiding.
I have not been there personally and I don't entirely care how much weight my opinion has, they are only opinions after all.
Most people regardless if speaking with experineced people or not will only hear what they want. I am simply expressing what I want. Nothing more.
You don't like it fine no problem. I am not here to argue with people I simply state me feelings and then read others and carry out conversations.
It's not that I like your opinion or not. It´s that you are talking about something you just don't know. Simple as. This is why your opinion has little weight here. Sorry, but I don't see much sense in defending something you don't even know for yourself. Come back when you have been sitting on lvl 65 for a few weeks and then we talk. I bet your opinion will be quite different.
Seriously... even if I was sitting at 65 for lets say a year, you wouldn't care for my opinion because it is against yours.
That is all
Wrong. I have been answering some other guys in a detailed way, discussing their points one by one.
In your case, you are simply talking about something you do not know first hand. So I can't care too much about your particular opinion.
it is quite amusing to see the WoW fanspeople over here attacking LoTRO while singing the praises of a game that has a handful of raids they call a end game and has released. WoW has had only 2 expansions since it's release in 2004 and a third on the way.
Glad to see your still waving your pom poms. I have played a lot of mmo's including lotro for three years. Yeah, wow has released two xpacs and continues to comand a huge subscriber lead over any other game. Lotro on the other hand has released an xpac and a half and had to go F2P to survive. Do you really want to compare the talent at Blizzard with that at Turbine? You really should expand your horizons a bit. Lotro isnt the only mmo available and far from the best.
Honestly, this comparison between LOTRO and WoW is becoming tiring at best. WoW and LOTRO had certainly their pros and cons, but it is clear that they appeal to different audience. While LOTRO caters more to mature, casual players, WoW is directed more to an younger audience and people liking raiding and PvP. Both can coexist and focing the comparison between both games is really like comparing apples to oranges.
To each its own. I prefer LOTRO for a variety of reasons, which are entirely subjective and personal, ranging from the fact that I'm not interested in PvP, prefer to play in a mature environment and am not too much in multiple hours Raiding due to time restrictions.
There is no comparison. One is the most succesful MMO or all time the other is a WOW clone that failed to maintain a sub base and went F2P.
Actually there is a comparison. Take a look at alot of f2p models. Some of them have numbers that dwarf WoW's. Subscription numbers dont exactly mean the game is good or bad. LOTRO caters to a MUCH diffrent crowd than WoW does. WoW has some of the best raids and alot of people love the pvp. LOTRO has a MUCH better IP which means better storylines and imo they did the leveling process MUCH better than WoW. 2 diffrent playstyles.
I dont play LOTRO anymore (well till the next xpac) because I enjoy the leveling and story so I run out of content pretty quickly. Same with WoW I'm currently taking a break from that. Have everything I want from ICC and since raiding is the only thing I enjoy in that game I'll wait for cata.
Yes we have all heard of the millions that play this or that F2P game but subs and people who have created accounts are two different animals. If this were the criteria on which to judge success I would guess the Free Realms is one of the best game available. There is some truth in the saying that people will take anything if its free.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Thats the thing. There isnt any better fantasy game than WOW.
I suppose for a game that has graphics designed to run grandma's Hewlett Packard with a Pentium 4 and a ATI Radeon 7200 , your idea of fresh content is a game that has expansions every two and a half years and your concept of end game is doing the same half dozen raids for years and years it is great LOL
lol, yeah the graphics are pretty sad from what i've seen. (i've never held a sub) The majority of my friends that played WoW for awhile went and tried the 10 day for lotro they used to have and never went back. The thing I hear the most when asking about WoW from them is "it's a kids game" lol. Is there a stat that shows the age groups of people playing WoW? From what I've heard I wouldn't doubt if the vast majority was under 18.
Seriously? And I suppose lotro is mature and very difficult? Would be interesting to see what you call hard content.
Yeah I was serious about what posted.....lol.
I'm gonna ignore that question you pulled out thin air to avoid the retarded circle arguement your trying to start on the internet...
Face it man WoW is targeted at a younger audience and more power to Blizzard because obviously there is a lot more revenue there.
I been playing LotrO since Closed Beta. Everytime I think I'm about to reach the end of the PVE , they add more content. In MPvP, I haven't even begun to grind for pvp gear, and I'm only rank 2 . Been playing since Closed Beta I have about 2 years of content to finish, in PVMP alone.
Wow, thats pretty crazy :O
Well, your case is definitvely an exception. Many players get to 65 in less than a month, the inmense majority get there in less than 2 months.
When Mirkwood came out, tons of players got to 65 in the first weekend. Most did in the first week.
Rank 2 in the ettens is probably not even worth 1 hour of actual active PVP.
Heh, I could sit by the Pony forever and say it took me 3 years to get to level 5.
Thats the thing. There isnt any better fantasy game than WOW.
I suppose for a game that has graphics designed to run grandma's Hewlett Packard with a Pentium 4 and a ATI Radeon 7200 , your idea of fresh content is a game that has expansions every two and a half years and your concept of end game is doing the same half dozen raids for years and years it is great LOL
lol, yeah the graphics are pretty sad from what i've seen. (i've never held a sub) The majority of my friends that played WoW for awhile went and tried the 10 day for lotro they used to have and never went back. The thing I hear the most when asking about WoW from them is "it's a kids game" lol. Is there a stat that shows the age groups of people playing WoW? From what I've heard I wouldn't doubt if the vast majority was under 18.
Seriously? And I suppose lotro is mature and very difficult? Would be interesting to see what you call hard content.
Yeah I was serious about what posted.....lol.
I'm gonna ignore that question you pulled out thin air to avoid the retarded circle arguement your trying to start on the internet...
Face it man WoW is targeted at a younger audience and more power to Blizzard because obviously there is a lot more revenue there.
There are a lot of kids play wow. A lot of people in my guild has kids that play. So yeah, there is a lot of kids in wow come to think about it there are a lot of people in wow period of all ages. Now go ask your friends what to say because as you said yourself , you have not played the game.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
End game isn't changing clothes and playing flute in Bree. For me end game is raiding and that particular aspect Lotro lacks. Rift was quite fun though. Resubbed to AoC after a year or so and it seems that this game has much more to do at max level than Lotro. I don't even start with Everquest
Lotro is a nice single player game online with some great grouping options to do instances or play bongos for RP. Not that much an MMO after watering down the content to make it more casual and solo friendly and not much Tolkien lore anymore either with glass cannon class RK and weird wardens running around.
That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of raiding so I don't consider that endgame content, "for me."
Philby: "There isnt any better fantasy game than WOW"
Again, that's your opinion. I played WoW for over a year. Wasn't impressed. The graphics made me feel like an anvil was gonna drop on my head at any moment (too cartoony) and the community is the worst I have come across in my many years of playing MMO's. The lore is a copy/paste of better stories that has come before it. The quest writing seems to have been writted by someone in Elementary School. It just wasn't my cup of tea. By the way, those are my opinions.
Do I think LotRO has it's flaws? Yes. Raiding would be one. Even though I abhor raiding, it does lack it compared to some other games. But, I don't think the majority of LotRO's community care about that. I do think there is enough endgame content to keep me happy though.
End game isn't changing clothes and playing flute in Bree. For me end game is raiding and that particular aspect Lotro lacks. Rift was quite fun though. Resubbed to AoC after a year or so and it seems that this game has much more to do at max level than Lotro. I don't even start with Everquest
Lotro is a nice single player game online with some great grouping options to do instances or play bongos for RP. Not that much an MMO after watering down the content to make it more casual and solo friendly and not much Tolkien lore anymore either with glass cannon class RK and weird wardens running around.
That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of raiding so I don't consider that endgame content, "for me."
Philby: "There isnt any better fantasy game than WOW"
Again, that's your opinion. I played WoW for over a year. Wasn't impressed. The graphics made me feel like an anvil was gonna drop on my head at any moment (too cartoony) and the community is the worst I have come across in my many years of playing MMO's. The lore is a copy/paste of better stories that has come before it. The quest writing seems to have been writted by someone in Elementary School. It just wasn't my cup of tea. By the way, those are my opinions.
Do I think LotRO has it's flaws? Yes. Raiding would be one. Even though I abhor raiding, it does lack it compared to some other games. But, I don't think the majority of LotRO's community care about that. I do think there is enough endgame content to keep me happy though.
My opinion and how every many million the number of subs is now. The graphics are cartoony and the game will run on grandma's pc. Both of these features are two of the reasons the game has done so well. Anyone can run it and cartoons age well. If you look you will see that cartoons look pretty much the same as they did 10 years ago while the games that were realesed in '04 that tried to attain a realistic look, look pretty bad by todays standards.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
"Rank 2 in the ettens is probably not even worth 1 hour of actual active PVP."
These days in the moors what you say is spot on, however, back in SoA, before the changes to raid infamy/renown rewards and the lowering of rank requirements, rank 2 would take longer to achieve especially if you played at prime-time in a full raid. Still not a massive amount of time required but from what was said I don't think the poster had a huge amount of free time to play.
That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of raiding so I don't consider that endgame content, "for me."
I think we'll more or less agree on end-game beeing what the game has to offer once you are at level cap to push your char even further and keep progressing.
The most common ways are raiding, crafting and pvp.
Now, if we check that in Lotro... well you said it, Lotro's raiding is weak. So, let's check crafting... Get the ingredients, press a button, item made. If you are lucky it's a crit and has slightly better stats. No customization, no challenge, no need to find any special rare drop (mithril flakes and unique recipes drop left and right) hardly any need to use your brain. And PVP, well... You can do Ettens, and... erm.. uuhhh... and nothing else, bar the eventual friendly spar.
That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of raiding so I don't consider that endgame content, "for me."
I think we'll more or less agree on end-game beeing what the game has to offer once you are at level cap to push your char even further and keep progressing.
The most common ways are raiding, crafting and pvp.
Now, if we check that in Lotro... well you said it, Lotro's raiding is weak. So, let's check crafting... Get the ingredients, press a button, item made. If you are lucky it's a crit and has slightly better stats. No customization, no challenge, no need to find any special rare drop (mithril flakes and unique recipes drop left and right) hardly any need to use your brain. And PVP, well... You can do Ettens, and... erm.. uuhhh... and nothing else, bar the eventual friendly spar.
So, what end-game is Lotro offering you?
I did enjoy the crafting in lotro. The animations were very good. But your right, you can only craft so often for so long.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of raiding so I don't consider that endgame content, "for me."
I think we'll more or less agree on end-game beeing what the game has to offer once you are at level cap to push your char even further and keep progressing.
The most common ways are raiding, crafting and pvp.
Now, if we check that in Lotro... well you said it, Lotro's raiding is weak. So, let's check crafting... Get the ingredients, press a button, item made. If you are lucky it's a crit and has slightly better stats. No customization, no challenge, no need to find any special rare drop (mithril flakes and unique recipes drop left and right) hardly any need to use your brain. And PVP, well... You can do Ettens, and... erm.. uuhhh... and nothing else, bar the eventual friendly spar.
So, what end-game is Lotro offering you?
Again, That's your interpretation of what endgame is. I just recently got to the endgame part (took me 2 years, but oh well) and I started working on my reputations, my crafting guild recipes, my deeds (with my kin) and just having a blast doing it. I also get to do more stuff with my kin...helping out the lower level players with quests and such and helping out our newest players find their way. I went out the other day and just explored all of Bree (something I hadn't done) I missed some spectacular views and plan on doing this with all the zones.
You may find these tasks boring, mundane and/or grinding. I happen to be enjoying them...it's MY endgame. We all have our choices in the way we like to play our games. That's why I find this thread a bit too opinionated. There's no wrong answer. It's however you like to play.
To the OP: Try it. If you make it to endgame (however you see fit to play that), you apparently liked most of the game. If you do, come back and let us know what you think.
it is quite amusing to see the WoW fanspeople over here attacking LoTRO while singing the praises of a game that has a handful of raids they call a end game and has released. WoW has had only 2 expansions since it's release in 2004 and a third on the way.
Glad to see your still waving your pom poms. I have played a lot of mmo's including lotro for three years. Yeah, wow has released two xpacs and continues to comand a huge subscriber lead over any other game. Lotro on the other hand has released an xpac and a half and had to go F2P to survive. Do you really want to compare the talent at Blizzard with that at Turbine? You really should expand your horizons a bit. Lotro isnt the only mmo available and far from the best.
Honestly, this comparison between LOTRO and WoW is becoming tiring at best. WoW and LOTRO had certainly their pros and cons, but it is clear that they appeal to different audience. While LOTRO caters more to mature, casual players, WoW is directed more to an younger audience and people liking raiding and PvP. Both can coexist and focing the comparison between both games is really like comparing apples to oranges.
To each its own. I prefer LOTRO for a variety of reasons, which are entirely subjective and personal, ranging from the fact that I'm not interested in PvP, prefer to play in a mature environment and am not too much in multiple hours Raiding due to time restrictions.
There is no comparison. One is the most succesful MMO or all time the other is a WOW clone that failed to maintain a sub base and went F2P.
For you, and you are entitled your opinion.
But honestly, who cares that WoW have millions of people playing it? Good for them if they enjoy it, but I do not see success alone as a criteria for excellence. Avril Lavigne has certainly sold more CDs than all the industrial bands I listen to, but I find her music incredibly boring, and that's an euphemism.
So to each your own, but to be honest I fail to see your point posting in LOTRO forums. It would like me going to the WoW forums saying that WoW is too cartoony, the community is not that helpful, etc
It will be in other words, pure and simple trolling.
I posted my opinion about the lack of end game in lotro. The number one Turbine cheerleader asked what games I liked. I said WOW and EQ2 until the latter went F2P. The cheerleader then thought it time to trash WOW. If anything negative about lotro is trolling then so be it. But WOW isnt the game that had to go F2P due to lack of sub payers.
What you fail to see though is that the game is not F2P as some games go before folding definitely. This is an hybrid system, which had been successfully experimented with DDO. Therefore, I do not see the implementation of F2P as the beginning of the end, but as a new era for LOTRO.
They want to suck in more people and I think they have succeeded doing that. Servers now are FULL of new players, and more seem coming. They will probably never reach the numbers of WoW, but again who cares.
Of course, the game has still some of its weaknesses, nobody is denying it here, but I find, as many people around here I suspect, that LOTRO still has lots to offer and besides, I'm confident that the next Expac will be a winner. Time will tell if that's true. If not, well, I'll move on.
You just admited you hardly have scratched the game's surface, you just said you have not even reached level cap, yet here you are defending lotro's end-game, which you have not even seen.
Can you imagine how much weight your opinion has?
I have seen what it has to offer, and I have read up on it, and know people that have been there done that.
Most people dont need to get to level 80 in WoW to know thats all there is to 80, is raiding.
I have not been there personally and I don't entirely care how much weight my opinion has, they are only opinions after all.
Most people regardless if speaking with experineced people or not will only hear what they want. I am simply expressing what I want. Nothing more.
You don't like it fine no problem. I am not here to argue with people I simply state me feelings and then read others and carry out conversations.
It's not that I like your opinion or not. It´s that you are talking about something you just don't know. Simple as. This is why your opinion has little weight here. Sorry, but I don't see much sense in defending something you don't even know for yourself. Come back when you have been sitting on lvl 65 for a few weeks and then we talk. I bet your opinion will be quite different.
Seriously... even if I was sitting at 65 for lets say a year, you wouldn't care for my opinion because it is against yours.
That is all
Wrong. I have been answering some other guys in a detailed way, discussing their points one by one.
In your case, you are simply talking about something you do not know first hand. So I can't care too much about your particular opinion.
If you truly don't care why do you make it a point to continuously quote me, and state that you don't care, because I have not gotten to end game? I already mentioned I have not and in my opinion which you care not of, I don't feel that it matters.
If you really don't care about my opinion then don't worry about quoting me to say so, you have done so more then enough times. If you would like, you can read the post, and say, "Pfft what a looser I don't care about his opinion" and move on to the next person who you do care about.
That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of raiding so I don't consider that endgame content, "for me."
I think we'll more or less agree on end-game beeing what the game has to offer once you are at level cap to push your char even further and keep progressing.
The most common ways are raiding, crafting and pvp.
Now, if we check that in Lotro... well you said it, Lotro's raiding is weak. So, let's check crafting... Get the ingredients, press a button, item made. If you are lucky it's a crit and has slightly better stats. No customization, no challenge, no need to find any special rare drop (mithril flakes and unique recipes drop left and right) hardly any need to use your brain. And PVP, well... You can do Ettens, and... erm.. uuhhh... and nothing else, bar the eventual friendly spar.
So, what end-game is Lotro offering you?
Again, That's your interpretation of what endgame is. I just recently got to the endgame part (took me 2 years, but oh well) and I started working on my reputations, my crafting guild recipes, my deeds (with my kin) and just having a blast doing it. I also get to do more stuff with my kin...helping out the lower level players with quests and such and helping out our newest players find their way. I went out the other day and just explored all of Bree (something I hadn't done) I missed some spectacular views and plan on doing this with all the zones.
You may find these tasks boring, mundane and/or grinding. I happen to be enjoying them...it's MY endgame. We all have our choices in the way we like to play our games. That's why I find this thread a bit too opinionated. There's no wrong answer. It's however you like to play.
To the OP: Try it. If you make it to endgame (however you see fit to play that), you apparently liked most of the game. If you do, come back and let us know what you think.
No, that's not my interpretation, that's what end-game IS. I ll just mention that I had all (but one) faction maxed, about 10 virtues on rank 10, and the crafting guild reputation maxed already at 64. I can't consider end-game something that can be achieved even before getting to level cap, and I bet most players won't.
You just admited you hardly have scratched the game's surface, you just said you have not even reached level cap, yet here you are defending lotro's end-game, which you have not even seen.
Can you imagine how much weight your opinion has?
I have seen what it has to offer, and I have read up on it, and know people that have been there done that.
Most people dont need to get to level 80 in WoW to know thats all there is to 80, is raiding.
I have not been there personally and I don't entirely care how much weight my opinion has, they are only opinions after all.
Most people regardless if speaking with experineced people or not will only hear what they want. I am simply expressing what I want. Nothing more.
You don't like it fine no problem. I am not here to argue with people I simply state me feelings and then read others and carry out conversations.
It's not that I like your opinion or not. It´s that you are talking about something you just don't know. Simple as. This is why your opinion has little weight here. Sorry, but I don't see much sense in defending something you don't even know for yourself. Come back when you have been sitting on lvl 65 for a few weeks and then we talk. I bet your opinion will be quite different.
Seriously... even if I was sitting at 65 for lets say a year, you wouldn't care for my opinion because it is against yours.
That is all
Wrong. I have been answering some other guys in a detailed way, discussing their points one by one.
In your case, you are simply talking about something you do not know first hand. So I can't care too much about your particular opinion.
If you truly don't care why do you make it a point to continuously quote me, and state that you don't care, because I have not gotten to end game? I already mentioned I have not and in my opinion which you care not of, I don't feel that it matters.
If you really don't care about my opinion then don't worry about quoting me to say so, you have done so more then enough times. If you would like, you can read the post, and say, "Pfft what a looser I don't care about his opinion" and move on to the next person who you do care about.
Good Day
So, according to you, when talking about end-game, the opinion of somebody who has been playing for years has exactly the same weight than the one of somebody who has not even reached level cap.
You just admited you hardly have scratched the game's surface, you just said you have not even reached level cap, yet here you are defending lotro's end-game, which you have not even seen.
Can you imagine how much weight your opinion has?
I have seen what it has to offer, and I have read up on it, and know people that have been there done that.
Most people dont need to get to level 80 in WoW to know thats all there is to 80, is raiding.
I have not been there personally and I don't entirely care how much weight my opinion has, they are only opinions after all.
Most people regardless if speaking with experineced people or not will only hear what they want. I am simply expressing what I want. Nothing more.
You don't like it fine no problem. I am not here to argue with people I simply state me feelings and then read others and carry out conversations.
It's not that I like your opinion or not. It´s that you are talking about something you just don't know. Simple as. This is why your opinion has little weight here. Sorry, but I don't see much sense in defending something you don't even know for yourself. Come back when you have been sitting on lvl 65 for a few weeks and then we talk. I bet your opinion will be quite different.
Seriously... even if I was sitting at 65 for lets say a year, you wouldn't care for my opinion because it is against yours.
That is all
Wrong. I have been answering some other guys in a detailed way, discussing their points one by one.
In your case, you are simply talking about something you do not know first hand. So I can't care too much about your particular opinion.
If you truly don't care why do you make it a point to continuously quote me, and state that you don't care, because I have not gotten to end game? I already mentioned I have not and in my opinion which you care not of, I don't feel that it matters.
If you really don't care about my opinion then don't worry about quoting me to say so, you have done so more then enough times. If you would like, you can read the post, and say, "Pfft what a looser I don't care about his opinion" and move on to the next person who you do care about.
Good Day
So, according to you, when talking about end-game, the opinion of somebody who has been playing for years has exactly the same weight than the one of somebody who has not even reached level cap.
Ok then. Have a good day you too.
Ummm.......ooooookk?
I'm not exactly sure what your talking about, but that's not how I feel. I see a different between someone who is just talking out their *** and someone who has either been through the content or has at least read up on it or knows people that have been through it is all. So maybe TECHNICALLY accoring to you... Yes? but at any rate, play what you like for what you like it for is the way to go
I been playing LotrO since Closed Beta. Everytime I think I'm about to reach the end of the PVE , they add more content. In MPvP, I haven't even begun to grind for pvp gear, and I'm only rank 2 . Been playing since Closed Beta I have about 2 years of content to finish, in PVMP alone.
Wow, thats pretty crazy :O
Well, your case is definitvely an exception. Many players get to 65 in less than a month, the inmense majority get there in less than 2 months.
Not true. And it is actually the other way around.
Most of the people, especially in LOTRO, are casual players and level pretty much slowly and take their time to enjoy the scenery and the lore.
You cite your example as you were probably one of those guys who are in a Raiding kin, who are mostly people only interested in reaching as fast as they can the cap level to do Raiding and PvP. I can tell you as a certainty that these kind of players are a small minority in LOTRO. Raiding kins are rare in the game. On my server, Raiding kin, (kins that regularly do the 12 Man Raid contents) are probably 4or 5 compared to the hundred of kins who are not Raiding.
I been playing LotrO since Closed Beta. Everytime I think I'm about to reach the end of the PVE , they add more content. In MPvP, I haven't even begun to grind for pvp gear, and I'm only rank 2 . Been playing since Closed Beta I have about 2 years of content to finish, in PVMP alone.
Wow, thats pretty crazy :O
Well, your case is definitvely an exception. Many players get to 65 in less than a month, the inmense majority get there in less than 2 months.
Not true. And it is actually the other way around.
Most of the people, especially in LOTRO, are casual players and level pretty much slowly and take their time to enjoy the scenery and the lore.
You cite your example as you were probably one of those guys who are in a Raiding kin, who are mostly people only interested in reaching as fast as they can the cap level to do Raiding and PvP. I can tell you as a certainty that these kind of players are a small minority in LOTRO. Raiding kins are rare in the game. On my server, Raiding kin, (kins that regularly do the 12 Man Raid contents) are probably 4or 5 compared to the hundred of kins who are not Raiding.
When did I say that was my particular example?
That is just what I see all the time, in raiding and non raiding kins. Actually, most of the players I know have many lvl 65 toons.
And yes, raiding kins in Lotro are rare. PVP-focused kins are even rarer, if there is any. That tells you how good end-game is in this game, which is, again, what we are talking about here. End-game oriented players, like raiders pvpers or dedicated crafters, leave to other games once they reach level cap and see what the game has to offer.
Yes, Lotro is actually a good game while leveling up and such. But, if we are talking about end-game, and I think, given the thread title, that this is what we are discussing here, well, that end-game in Lotro is just weak.
You don't honestly think that taking 2 years to get to level cap is the norm, do you.
I been playing LotrO since Closed Beta. Everytime I think I'm about to reach the end of the PVE , they add more content. In MPvP, I haven't even begun to grind for pvp gear, and I'm only rank 2 . Been playing since Closed Beta I have about 2 years of content to finish, in PVMP alone.
Wow, thats pretty crazy :O
Well, your case is definitvely an exception. Many players get to 65 in less than a month, the inmense majority get there in less than 2 months.
Not true. And it is actually the other way around.
Most of the people, especially in LOTRO, are casual players and level pretty much slowly and take their time to enjoy the scenery and the lore.
You cite your example as you were probably one of those guys who are in a Raiding kin, who are mostly people only interested in reaching as fast as they can the cap level to do Raiding and PvP. I can tell you as a certainty that these kind of players are a small minority in LOTRO. Raiding kins are rare in the game. On my server, Raiding kin, (kins that regularly do the 12 Man Raid contents) are probably 4or 5 compared to the hundred of kins who are not Raiding.
When did I say that was my particular example?
That is just what I see all the time, in raiding and non raiding kins. Actually, most of the players I know have many lvl 65 toons.
And yes, raiding kins in Lotro are rare. PVP-focused kins are even rarer, if there is any. That tells you how good end-game is in this game, which is, again, what we are talking about here. End-game oriented players, like raiders pvpers or dedicated crafters, leave to other games once they reach level cap and see what the game has to offer.
Yes, Lotro is actually a good game while leveling up and such. But, if we are talking about end-game, and I think, given the thread title, that this is what we are discussing here, well, that end-game in Lotro is just weak.
You don't honestly think that taking 2 years to get to level cap is the norm, do you.
This is exactly what some of us have been trying to convey and others refuse to see. A lot of players sat at level cap and waited and some are still waiting.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
it is quite amusing to see the WoW fanspeople over here attacking LoTRO while singing the praises of a game that has a handful of raids they call a end game and has released. WoW has had only 2 expansions since it's release in 2004 and a third on the way.
Glad to see your still waving your pom poms. I have played a lot of mmo's including lotro for three years. Yeah, wow has released two xpacs and continues to comand a huge subscriber lead over any other game. Lotro on the other hand has released an xpac and a half and had to go F2P to survive. Do you really want to compare the talent at Blizzard with that at Turbine? You really should expand your horizons a bit. Lotro isnt the only mmo available and far from the best.
Honestly, this comparison between LOTRO and WoW is becoming tiring at best. WoW and LOTRO had certainly their pros and cons, but it is clear that they appeal to different audience. While LOTRO caters more to mature, casual players, WoW is directed more to an younger audience and people liking raiding and PvP. Both can coexist and focing the comparison between both games is really like comparing apples to oranges.
To each its own. I prefer LOTRO for a variety of reasons, which are entirely subjective and personal, ranging from the fact that I'm not interested in PvP, prefer to play in a mature environment and am not too much in multiple hours Raiding due to time restrictions.
There is no comparison. One is the most succesful MMO or all time the other is a WOW clone that failed to maintain a sub base and went F2P.
Just usual sad trolling from the by now #1 troll on these boards.
Yeah, you DID create this account (we actually can see your "joined" date, did you know that?) purely to bash a game you have been playing for three years as a subscriber (ergo spent more money on it than a lifetimer. What does that tell us about you?
Think well before you reply
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It says about me that I am willing to pay for a game that I enjoy. But it also says that after waiting for something from the devs for over a year and not getting it that im no longer willing to wait. I know its hard for some to let go but for me it is not. I decided that I no longer wanted to support a dev team that gave nothing to those that did. Again Turbine had a choice, meaningful content versus F2P model. They chose the latter and I left. Yes I do know what you can see and I also know what you cant see, for example, WOW is the biggest success story in MMO's and LOTRO failed to deliver and went F2P. I guess the fans of F2P cannot understand someone paying $10 a month for a game. And since you so obsorbed in what I do, that wasnt paid 4 quarters a year. I actually played other things for a month or three here and there, EQ2, WOW, War and AOC were the main ones. Has anyone noticed how the price of the quarterly sub has gone up? Wonder how that effects the $5 in "free" tokens the sub payers get each month?
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
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Seriously? And I suppose lotro is mature and very difficult? Would be interesting to see what you call hard content.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
The end game of LOTRO can be summed up by what type of player you are. If you dont spend alot of time every night playing you will find plenty of content. Someone like me, who plays games at work (yes I have an awesome job) for 5-6 hrs a night 5 days a week then no LOTRO doesnt have nearly enough content to keep you busy. However I have always enjoyed playing till I got bored then waiting for the next expansion. To me the game is pretty well done and enjoyable/worth the money. Just have a backup game.
Actually there is a comparison. Take a look at alot of f2p models. Some of them have numbers that dwarf WoW's. Subscription numbers dont exactly mean the game is good or bad. LOTRO caters to a MUCH diffrent crowd than WoW does. WoW has some of the best raids and alot of people love the pvp. LOTRO has a MUCH better IP which means better storylines and imo they did the leveling process MUCH better than WoW. 2 diffrent playstyles.
I dont play LOTRO anymore (well till the next xpac) because I enjoy the leveling and story so I run out of content pretty quickly. Same with WoW I'm currently taking a break from that. Have everything I want from ICC and since raiding is the only thing I enjoy in that game I'll wait for cata.
That is why it lost so many subs. People left until an xpac was released and the xpac never came. The came had a chance to be a major game in the industry and instead let it dwindle until F2P was the only option left.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Wrong. I have been answering some other guys in a detailed way, discussing their points one by one.
In your case, you are simply talking about something you do not know first hand. So I can't care too much about your particular opinion.
Yes we have all heard of the millions that play this or that F2P game but subs and people who have created accounts are two different animals. If this were the criteria on which to judge success I would guess the Free Realms is one of the best game available. There is some truth in the saying that people will take anything if its free.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Yeah I was serious about what posted.....lol.
I'm gonna ignore that question you pulled out thin air to avoid the retarded circle arguement your trying to start on the internet...
Face it man WoW is targeted at a younger audience and more power to Blizzard because obviously there is a lot more revenue there.
Well, your case is definitvely an exception. Many players get to 65 in less than a month, the inmense majority get there in less than 2 months.
When Mirkwood came out, tons of players got to 65 in the first weekend. Most did in the first week.
Rank 2 in the ettens is probably not even worth 1 hour of actual active PVP.
Heh, I could sit by the Pony forever and say it took me 3 years to get to level 5.
There are a lot of kids play wow. A lot of people in my guild has kids that play. So yeah, there is a lot of kids in wow come to think about it there are a lot of people in wow period of all ages. Now go ask your friends what to say because as you said yourself , you have not played the game.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
That's your opinion. I'm not a fan of raiding so I don't consider that endgame content, "for me."
Philby: "There isnt any better fantasy game than WOW"
Again, that's your opinion. I played WoW for over a year. Wasn't impressed. The graphics made me feel like an anvil was gonna drop on my head at any moment (too cartoony) and the community is the worst I have come across in my many years of playing MMO's. The lore is a copy/paste of better stories that has come before it. The quest writing seems to have been writted by someone in Elementary School. It just wasn't my cup of tea. By the way, those are my opinions.
Do I think LotRO has it's flaws? Yes. Raiding would be one. Even though I abhor raiding, it does lack it compared to some other games. But, I don't think the majority of LotRO's community care about that. I do think there is enough endgame content to keep me happy though.
My opinion and how every many million the number of subs is now. The graphics are cartoony and the game will run on grandma's pc. Both of these features are two of the reasons the game has done so well. Anyone can run it and cartoons age well. If you look you will see that cartoons look pretty much the same as they did 10 years ago while the games that were realesed in '04 that tried to attain a realistic look, look pretty bad by todays standards.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
"Rank 2 in the ettens is probably not even worth 1 hour of actual active PVP."
These days in the moors what you say is spot on, however, back in SoA, before the changes to raid infamy/renown rewards and the lowering of rank requirements, rank 2 would take longer to achieve especially if you played at prime-time in a full raid. Still not a massive amount of time required but from what was said I don't think the poster had a huge amount of free time to play.
I did enjoy the crafting in lotro. The animations were very good. But your right, you can only craft so often for so long.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Again, That's your interpretation of what endgame is. I just recently got to the endgame part (took me 2 years, but oh well) and I started working on my reputations, my crafting guild recipes, my deeds (with my kin) and just having a blast doing it. I also get to do more stuff with my kin...helping out the lower level players with quests and such and helping out our newest players find their way. I went out the other day and just explored all of Bree (something I hadn't done) I missed some spectacular views and plan on doing this with all the zones.
You may find these tasks boring, mundane and/or grinding. I happen to be enjoying them...it's MY endgame. We all have our choices in the way we like to play our games. That's why I find this thread a bit too opinionated. There's no wrong answer. It's however you like to play.
To the OP: Try it. If you make it to endgame (however you see fit to play that), you apparently liked most of the game. If you do, come back and let us know what you think.
What you fail to see though is that the game is not F2P as some games go before folding definitely. This is an hybrid system, which had been successfully experimented with DDO. Therefore, I do not see the implementation of F2P as the beginning of the end, but as a new era for LOTRO.
They want to suck in more people and I think they have succeeded doing that. Servers now are FULL of new players, and more seem coming. They will probably never reach the numbers of WoW, but again who cares.
Of course, the game has still some of its weaknesses, nobody is denying it here, but I find, as many people around here I suspect, that LOTRO still has lots to offer and besides, I'm confident that the next Expac will be a winner. Time will tell if that's true. If not, well, I'll move on.
If you truly don't care why do you make it a point to continuously quote me, and state that you don't care, because I have not gotten to end game? I already mentioned I have not and in my opinion which you care not of, I don't feel that it matters.
If you really don't care about my opinion then don't worry about quoting me to say so, you have done so more then enough times. If you would like, you can read the post, and say, "Pfft what a looser I don't care about his opinion" and move on to the next person who you do care about.
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No, that's not my interpretation, that's what end-game IS. I ll just mention that I had all (but one) faction maxed, about 10 virtues on rank 10, and the crafting guild reputation maxed already at 64. I can't consider end-game something that can be achieved even before getting to level cap, and I bet most players won't.
So, according to you, when talking about end-game, the opinion of somebody who has been playing for years has exactly the same weight than the one of somebody who has not even reached level cap.
Ok then. Have a good day you too.
Ummm.......ooooookk?
I'm not exactly sure what your talking about, but that's not how I feel. I see a different between someone who is just talking out their *** and someone who has either been through the content or has at least read up on it or knows people that have been through it is all. So maybe TECHNICALLY accoring to you... Yes? but at any rate, play what you like for what you like it for is the way to go
Tip of the hat to you lad :P
Not true. And it is actually the other way around.
Most of the people, especially in LOTRO, are casual players and level pretty much slowly and take their time to enjoy the scenery and the lore.
You cite your example as you were probably one of those guys who are in a Raiding kin, who are mostly people only interested in reaching as fast as they can the cap level to do Raiding and PvP. I can tell you as a certainty that these kind of players are a small minority in LOTRO. Raiding kins are rare in the game. On my server, Raiding kin, (kins that regularly do the 12 Man Raid contents) are probably 4or 5 compared to the hundred of kins who are not Raiding.
When did I say that was my particular example?
That is just what I see all the time, in raiding and non raiding kins. Actually, most of the players I know have many lvl 65 toons.
And yes, raiding kins in Lotro are rare. PVP-focused kins are even rarer, if there is any. That tells you how good end-game is in this game, which is, again, what we are talking about here. End-game oriented players, like raiders pvpers or dedicated crafters, leave to other games once they reach level cap and see what the game has to offer.
Yes, Lotro is actually a good game while leveling up and such. But, if we are talking about end-game, and I think, given the thread title, that this is what we are discussing here, well, that end-game in Lotro is just weak.
You don't honestly think that taking 2 years to get to level cap is the norm, do you.
This is exactly what some of us have been trying to convey and others refuse to see. A lot of players sat at level cap and waited and some are still waiting.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
It says about me that I am willing to pay for a game that I enjoy. But it also says that after waiting for something from the devs for over a year and not getting it that im no longer willing to wait. I know its hard for some to let go but for me it is not. I decided that I no longer wanted to support a dev team that gave nothing to those that did. Again Turbine had a choice, meaningful content versus F2P model. They chose the latter and I left. Yes I do know what you can see and I also know what you cant see, for example, WOW is the biggest success story in MMO's and LOTRO failed to deliver and went F2P. I guess the fans of F2P cannot understand someone paying $10 a month for a game. And since you so obsorbed in what I do, that wasnt paid 4 quarters a year. I actually played other things for a month or three here and there, EQ2, WOW, War and AOC were the main ones. Has anyone noticed how the price of the quarterly sub has gone up? Wonder how that effects the $5 in "free" tokens the sub payers get each month?
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.