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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Things SWTOR Isn't
SBFord
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In his latest MMORPG.com column, Managing Editor Jon Wood takes a look at the Internet's perception of Star Wars: The Old Republic. There is a lot of hype, speculation and misinformation floating around the 'Net these days and Jon takes those things and the people who post them to task. Find out which issues Jon has a bone to pick with and then let us know your thoughts on the forums.
Upon reading almost any thread that even whispers the name of this game, I come across a lot of people who are at best confused about the kind of game that this is going to be and at worst continually trolling based on what they know are foundational design decisions that aren’t going to be changed at this point. Can you imagine the cost of this thing getting even higher?
Read more of Jon Wood's column Things SWTOR Isn't.
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Star Wars: The Old Republic is, whether you love it, hate it, or really couldn’t care less, its own game and as such will appeal to some and completely turn off others
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Like everything else on the planet.
I agree wait for the game to come out first....
Oooo... so much to disagree with. This thread is gonna get juicy.
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
One sentence summary of whole article:
"this game is not innovative, deviates from KOTOR lore, is themepark, contains almost no new ideas and is generic mmorpg, but don't worry its still going to be omg awesome and you all need to like it and think on how awesome it is, just because its TOR"...
yep entire article about taking a few (out of many) shortcommings this game has and creating somes sort of excuse for it.
Those bright-colored screenshots of VERY-cartoony-looking characters do not inspire trust in this game too...especially that one with overmuscular(seriously looks like WWE wrestler) malak-clone-gorilla jumping in the air....
# A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY
# ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED
# A MASKED CRY ADORING
# A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON
I know this game definately isnt worth the gazzilion $$$ they've spent on it...
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Wrong.
The article doesn't present any of these thigns as shortcomings, merely a look at what it is. I understand that YOU think they are shortcomings, but that doesn't mean that they are. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Yup. Yet another MMORPG.com 1 - 1 article.
Couldnt agree more.
A Deep Space Exploration Game
I honestly can’t believe how many people are still pissed that there isn’t going to be any space exploration in TOR. I’m sorry guys, I like a good exploration MMO as much as the next guy, but I’m going to have to agree with the guys at Bioware who say that the exploration of empty space just isn’t what the Star Wars IP is all about. I mean, I’m not the biggest Star Wars guy, but I seem to recall most of the travel in Star Wars happening somewhere between getting into the ship and having a chat and the iconic sideways wipe that put the characters on whatever planet it was they were traveling to.
That said, when they did do space, they did it spectacularly in the movies and I’m not sure that a “tube shooter” is really the best way to convey the proper “feel” of the space in Star Wars either. Personally, I think they should have left it out entirely until they had proper time to develop a system somewhere in the middle of these two extremes.
I'll start with this gripe about people expecting it to be a space exploration game.
I have seen hardly any people that are disappointed with the space system specifically because they can't "explore". People are not saying, "WHAT?! I can't explore?!" Framing this gripe in that context makes it seem like you aren't understanding the vast majority of complaints.
I think people would have preferred a more dogfight feel. You know, how Star Wars is. I personally would have liked to see something like Wing Commander. There are various ways they could have implemented a system that ACTUALLY felt like Star Wars. Instead, they are using a tunnel shooter which feels NOTHING like Star Wars. So when they say they've never seen a ship go and mine an asteroid to defend their design decision, I find it silly. After all, in Star Wars, the pilots decided whether or not they turned right or left, didn't they?
I emphatically agree with what is in red.
I fail to see how they couldn't be shortcomings, to be perfectly honest.
I mean, who is this game meant to appeal to? Star Wars fans? MMO vets? MMO casuals? I mean, every single one of those has a trouble with something on the list (casuals won't hear about it, probably).
I guess it's Bioware fanbois that it's meant to appeal to. The people who believe Bioware can do no wrong. Ever.
"He's just sort of crap."
Why do MMO game developers have to be innovative? And it seen as a bad thing if they are not trying anything new?
STWOR isn't:
- A Sandbox: true
- A Genre “Game Changer”: true
- A Deep Space Exploration Game: true
- A Dismal Failure, A Blockbuster Success,A WoW Killer: speculation, no one knows before release
- Original Star Wars Galaxies: Reborn: true
So, four facts everyone knows who follows SWTOR and 3 pure speculations. Not the greatest article imo.
Just when I thought mmorpg.com couldn't possibly get any worse this ...column pops up.
Honestly with all the development time behind ToR so far it would be a lot more interesting to see someone telling us what ToR actually is.
I'm not sure if this column is a troll or a post from someone who genuinly doesn't understand some of the basic observations people bring up in disagreeing with the design choices being made.
You know, it might be more interesting to read what ToR is.
Because having followed the game for what...2 years+ we still don't know the basic bread and butter behind the game. Trivialities I'm sure.... :rolleyes:
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
Because we already played the game before and are tired of it? Same reason why MMOs have been terrible for the last 6 years. They're all dumbed down versions of EverQuest, and I got tired of EverQuest in 2001. We want something new, not the same boring thing over and over again, thats so simple and derivitive we don't even need a tutorial.
You can add "Not an MMORPG" to the list. Its BEYOND themepark, is practically Diablo.
Jon,
Why do you assume that the people who are discussing the relative merits or lack thereof of some of Biowares design decision with SW-TOR are doing it because they have some expectation of pushing Bioware to change those decisions....or even trying to astro-turf the game?
This is a gaming site.... I assume that the people posting here are doing so, in part, because they enjoy the hobby....and enjoy the intellectual excercise of discussing different aspects of that hobby, including opinions about design decisions and game mechanics with other enthusiasts. Really, is it any different then fans on a sports site discussing the relative merits of the Designated Hitter Rule?
Frankly, if the discussion here was limitied to a simple regurgitation of the known mechanics/features of any particular game....rather then a discussion of thier merits.... and "What if's" and so forth...this site would be about as entertaining as watching grass grow.
Note...that is not the same as trolling....which would be posting to simply annoy, frustrate or get a rise out of some-one. I'm sure there is a fair share of that going on surrounding TOR.... but alot of fans and critics alike simply enjoy expressing thier honest opinions and enjoy exploring the basis by which others hold differing viewpoints.
But thats every genre for you. I have only played MMORPG for 3 years, I have been playing FPS for nearly 20 and theres not been any innovative ideas in that genre.
Its just why do MMO's get stick (more than any other genre) for not being innovative. Its only a game, its more about fun than bringing new things to the table.
Point 1: I concur
Point 2: I concur
Point 3: I concur
Point 4: I concur
Point 5: I concur
Point 6: I concur
Point 7: I concur
And as I've said before: It won't live up to anyone's expectations. Because our expectations are unreasonable.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Exactly
You can expect this article to come under attack from both extremist sides since it is middle of the road and won't gel with either of their myopic views.Your not gonna convince peopel who have already made up their minds about this or any other game based on limited information and pure speculation positive or negative with any kind of arguement let alone a reasonable one.
My expectations aren't very high. So hopefully it will at least lives up to mine...
I have to wonder if you've actually ever taken a position on anything. So far I've only seen posts that criticize others for taking a position.
Is your position that people should not debate about things because no one is ever right and every argument has at least two sides?
Overall the article is entirely evenhanded and I don't see why anyone would complain much about it. Much of it states what we don't know or won't know until the game releases. Other parts state what is known that cannot be changed as BioWare has already dedicated their direction towards this style of gameplay. View the listed items as good or bad, I think this article is not only well worth the read, but ultimately a necessity for a good number of the community here.
Great job Jon.
As long as its fun to me, I'll keep repaying my sub.