Lol. What do you know, I check up on this site for the first time this morning, and this is the first thread I see in the main page list
About open, large worlds: not the main argument, SWG and Vanguard had worldsizes that made WoW look like a midget world, still they did worse in the end. WoW only now has a main world you can fly over about and had its own limitations during all those 5 years, and it didn't matter anyway for their success. The world only has to pass a threshold of openness and wideness, and after that the rest is extra.
Only now? It has been since that since 2007. That was the standard by then: complete open world design where you can go on any top of any mountain and explore everywhere. That doesn't even mean flying per se.
Perhaps you should browse back to the Tabula Rasa, AoC, War, ST, Aion launches and see the comments about their liniair gameplay. "Closed up", "liniair", "don't seem to be able to reach for those painted mountains in the back".
Why ? Because people already ... saw it done.
The 3D is but one aspect of "the new big thing". It's not an extra, it's a necessity since 2007.
If any invisible walls even exist in your game, you're done these days.
It is AND ... AND these days, not OR ... OR.
That's an example of the core programming I talked about, not some voice overs. Those are studio tools not progamming tools.
That's the polish we are talking about. That's where the real money should have been going to.
Full blown open ended space opera: all options included and it would have blown Wow to pieces.
Now you get a Lore, a voice over and some talking NPC's as henchman.
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Do you think Bioware & EA are upset about all this negativity?
No, but I do think (assume) they are aware of it.
IMHO they are not upset or worried because for the most part WE (the posters/players of mmorpg.com) are not whom they are marketing the game to. SW:TOR is being made to be mass marketed to every single well conditioned retail consumer, not us as a group.
If SW:TOR does not sell in Walmart and Best Buy then Bioware and EA will be nervous, and it's several months before they have to worry about that. Right now anything they say to us is just to keep us from getting too far out of hand PR wise.
I personally don't like SW:TOR basic design to be honest, so I won't be buying it, but SW:TOR will be a smashing retail success and perhaps may have more retail shelf space devoted to it then even WoW eventually. That's what the Marketer's that run Bioware and EA care about. With retail sales will come the subscriptions and the cash shop profits.
How bad or good we think SW:TOR will be doesn't really matter to them.
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Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Not at all.
I dont think EA are worried at all yet
yes there are reasons why the game may not turn out the subs required, but you can find reasons for any game to fail, especially WoW, but it doesnt mean it will happen, as you have acknowledged.
I think EA will only start to worry post launch if it looks like the game will not live up to their expecatations, but before then i dont think they will be worried as there is nothing for them to go on. (ie sale figures, subs numbers etc)
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
EA has made 300 million dollar investment in this game. They hired one of the best studios in gaming. And have one of the best settings in popular culture.
Yet the negativity that is starting to surround this game (not only on this site) grows every day.
Now I am not sure about EA. But if I was in their shoes I would slowly start to panic.
The game is probably finished by now (and is only tested and fine tuned at this moment) Yet its clear that they have nothing good to show.
Every new video (like the latest one of imperial agent) looks worse than previous , and only puts more fuel to the fire.
I think they clearly dont have nothing better to show too.
And If they do have something better to show. What are they waiting for ?
For game rep to crash and burn so it would rise from ashes like a phoenix ? ( <- that is irony)
There is similarity here with APB. Great ideas , great budget , skillful company. But somewhere between idea and execution things got really wrong and end result is simply flawed.
So are EA and Bioware in panic mode right now ?
I think they are in panic, they know the game will be epic fail.
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Not at all.
I dont think EA are worried at all yet
yes there are reasons why the game may not turn out the subs required, but you can find reasons for any game to fail, especially WoW, but it doesnt mean it will happen, as you have acknowledged.
I think EA will only start to worry post launch if it looks like the game will not live up to their expecatations, but before then i dont think they will be worried as there is nothing for them to go on. (ie sale figures, subs numbers etc)
Its reason like the above "we will worry about that after the launch" that create failures.
Not listening to feedback may be a serious mistake. If the game is not well received at launch it will never recover.
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Why do SWG vet's and sandbox vets keep getting butt hurt over the truth? A vast majority of the complaining is coming from former SWG players who wear the term "SWG vet" like a badge of honor and then sandbox players are next in line to thrash the game. Anyone who reads this site or sites like it can attest that it is the vocal minority posting anyway so that statement does not imply that everyone who likes sandbox games or SWG specifically are going to dump on this game.
I have stated more than a few times over I am a launch day player of SWG and played it until right after the CU, and what I learned from that experience is that I do like sandbox elements to my gameplay as well but sandbox gameplay isn't like crack cocaine for me, I do not forsake all other types of gameplay because I have finally found my "medicine".
In general those who seem to know they are looking for a sandbox game have the same stance you do they are weary of the game or they blow right into this game is going to fail category that is the truth of the matter and if not I'd be happy to see a post made before this one that shows one person claiming to be a sandbox/swg vet who is excited to play the game, not just those willing to wait and see.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Not at all.
I dont think EA are worried at all yet
yes there are reasons why the game may not turn out the subs required, but you can find reasons for any game to fail, especially WoW, but it doesnt mean it will happen, as you have acknowledged.
I think EA will only start to worry post launch if it looks like the game will not live up to their expecatations, but before then i dont think they will be worried as there is nothing for them to go on. (ie sale figures, subs numbers etc)
Its reason like the above "we will worry about that after the launch" that create failures.
Not listening to feedback may be a serious mistake. If the game is not well received at launch it will never recover.
You do realize this poster is not a representative of EA though? He is only expressing what he thinks...........
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Not at all.
I dont think EA are worried at all yet
yes there are reasons why the game may not turn out the subs required, but you can find reasons for any game to fail, especially WoW, but it doesnt mean it will happen, as you have acknowledged.
I think EA will only start to worry post launch if it looks like the game will not live up to their expecatations, but before then i dont think they will be worried as there is nothing for them to go on. (ie sale figures, subs numbers etc)
Its reason like the above "we will worry about that after the launch" that create failures.
Not listening to feedback may be a serious mistake. If the game is not well received at launch it will never recover.
You do realize this poster is not a representative of EA though? He is only expressing what he thinks...........
Well, if he is right,
…then no opinion will harm or help EA.
If he is wrong,
… opinions like that may influence EA to stop listen to feedback.
EA hasn't published ONE succesful MMO since original UO.
They rush the development team to release unfinished product, grab all the money they can and then move the mmo to skeleton crew and then start making next moneygrubbing operation.
Everything EA touches turns in to poop
Yeah but EA never had a great development team like Bioware working on a MMO since UO. I am not worried, Bioware has yet to let me down with anything. Quality games has been their claim to fame.
I always worry about the articulate ones. I listened to this lecture once from this very talented speaker who was basically a hater and extremist. Being a minority where I came from I immediately worried about him because people like him who has charisma and are articulate are the most dangerous. Same thing here those people who spew the worst hate are dangerous because they are articulate. Be wary of them.
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Not at all.
I dont think EA are worried at all yet
yes there are reasons why the game may not turn out the subs required, but you can find reasons for any game to fail, especially WoW, but it doesnt mean it will happen, as you have acknowledged.
I think EA will only start to worry post launch if it looks like the game will not live up to their expecatations, but before then i dont think they will be worried as there is nothing for them to go on. (ie sale figures, subs numbers etc)
Its reason like the above "we will worry about that after the launch" that create failures.
Not listening to feedback may be a serious mistake. If the game is not well received at launch it will never recover.
You do realize this poster is not a representative of EA though? He is only expressing what he thinks...........
Well, if he is right,
…then no opinion will harm or help EA.
If he is wrong,
… opinions like that may influence EA to stop listen to feedback.
A lose-lose situation for EA.
Yeah and if Apophis goes through that key hole in space then man will go the way of the dinosaurs......
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I always worry about the articulate ones. I listened to this lecture once from this very talented speaker who was basically a hater and extremist. Being a minority where I came from I immediately worried about him because people like him who has charisma and are articulate are the most dangerous. Same thing here those people who spew the worst hate are dangerous because they are articulate. Be wary of them.
I think the difference though is that there is no charisma test to post on a forum. A billion words in protest haven't effected WOW's perch as the king of mmorpg's and I doubt that posts built on guesses and shady characters with ulterior motives like this one will be much different.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
On a forum not charisma but reason. They sound reasonable and do not come off as loons. That is the trick and I do respect some posters here who never resort to insults or condescension but sound oh so reasonable until you actually pick apart what they say . It has come to a point where some people even feel ashamed of their choice of games. When that happens you know they have succeeded.
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Not at all.
I dont think EA are worried at all yet
yes there are reasons why the game may not turn out the subs required, but you can find reasons for any game to fail, especially WoW, but it doesnt mean it will happen, as you have acknowledged.
I think EA will only start to worry post launch if it looks like the game will not live up to their expecatations, but before then i dont think they will be worried as there is nothing for them to go on. (ie sale figures, subs numbers etc)
Its reason like the above "we will worry about that after the launch" that create failures.
Not listening to feedback may be a serious mistake. If the game is not well received at launch it will never recover.
You are quite correct.
But the point remains is that there is nothing to feedback on.
I will revise my opinion to say that I dont think EA will worry until the beta feedback comes in
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Why do SWG vet's and sandbox vets keep getting butt hurt over the truth? A vast majority of the complaining is coming from former SWG players who wear the term "SWG vet" like a badge of honor and then sandbox players are next in line to thrash the game. Anyone who reads this site or sites like it can attest that it is the vocal minority posting anyway so that statement does not imply that everyone who likes sandbox games or SWG specifically are going to dump on this game.
I have stated more than a few times over I am a launch day player of SWG and played it until right after the CU, and what I learned from that experience is that I do like sandbox elements to my gameplay as well but sandbox gameplay isn't like crack cocaine for me, I do not forsake all other types of gameplay because I have finally found my "medicine".
In general those who seem to know they are looking for a sandbox game have the same stance you do they are weary of the game or they blow right into this game is going to fail category that is the truth of the matter and if not I'd be happy to see a post made before this one that shows one person claiming to be a sandbox/swg vet who is excited to play the game, not just those willing to wait and see.
I think you're misunderstanding me if you did mean to say "weary" unless its a typo of "wary"?
i'm not sure if you think i'm butthurt? i can assure you i am not. and as for the majority of complaints coming from SWG vets, well thats dependent on what you call a vet? But i see a lot of complaining coming from playerbases of lots of games and i wouldnt say one particular type of player forms a majority.
dont get me wrong, i'm not bashing the game, but at the same time i cant get "excited" as you say for this game either since its not what i look for or enjoy in a MMO.
but if you read what i said, i do acknowledge that this game may change my opinions of non sandbox MMOs, but for it to do that, i will need to play it, and not just read about it. i suspect this is the same for the silent majority of sandbox gamers which is why they will fall into the wait and see category.
i will say, i am looking forward to the story tying up plot elements from the KOTOR series
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
I always worry about the articulate ones. I listened to this lecture once from this very talented speaker who was basically a hater and extremist. Being a minority where I came from I immediately worried about him because people like him who has charisma and are articulate are the most dangerous. Same thing here those people who spew the worst hate are dangerous because they are articulate. Be wary of them.
i completely agree.
but if you were talking about me, i am reasonable, and i will try and keep an open mind. i respect other peoples opinions though and wont hold it against them.
if you werent talking about me, then i apologise for the public show of egotism :P
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
In answer to the query in the OP: no and yes , its somewhat complicated.
Why they aren't worried:
1. Forumgoers albeit fanatical in their either support or detraction represent about 1/100th of actual consumers. 90% of the people that game online will never post once, preferring to be a silent majority. They speak with their wallets.
2. All games go through the love hate cycle. Make no mistake, BW has been watching Blizzard, Cryptic, CCP,, etc at their launches, information release, schedule, and interaction. BioWare might be alot of things, but "stupud" or "foolish" do NOT leap to mind. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
3. They are confident their product will speak for itself.
Why they feel twinges of nervousness:
1. Many of the Old School forum goers from back at day 1 launch of the site are even getting pissy and impatient.
2. They KNOW their community interaction is lacking. With the departure of Sean Dahlber much of the community interaction went south.
3. Forum moderation is a total and complete joke as of late. Its a hate/bash fest.
4. They have released NO info on testing or beta, which has people chomping at the bit, since there is leaked beta footage all over the internet. Making some hardcore fans who would never leak info feel slighted or jaded already.
5. If you enjoy something and are excited for it you'll tell 2 people. If you hate an experience or are generally dissatisfied you tell 5. It may not mean much, but word of mouth in the mmo community can be a powerful thing.
I'm confident the game will be great, but even I, one of the most rabid bioware fans on the planet, am getting impatient with the information release (or lack thereof). We know nothing about PVP, endgame, Crafting, Raiding, PVPVE, travel. Many of us are simply tired of getting 1 minor update per week. I personally would like to see some game mechanics outlined. Planets? Cool but meh, Classes? done. We need to see HOW the game works on a large scale.
Bioware's own words damned them to an extent : "We wont talk about a feature until its done and in for sure": Well they really havent told us shit about mechanics making alot of players feel that much of the game is unfinished. With a launch window of 5-7 months (march - may) ot has many of us worried. I'm not abandoning ship, but I damn well know EXACTLY where the lifeboat is located.
Oh come on even if you do not agree or disagree vehemently you have to admire a maverick.
i think i preferred Iceman :P
i am actually really intigued about how this game will play out.
the one disadvantage to being story driven, that i can think off atm, is how do you keep players playing after the story has been told?
you cant keep a story going indefinitely or it'll just become stale and boring.
i look forward to seeing how this is done, as TOR will be the first non sandbox MMO i will be really having a go at.
i'm sure that Bioware has things in mind, and i'm sure EA will have asked this question and have been satisfied with the answer though
The question really is how long can the same old, same old, keep people playing game after game, from months to years? I honestly think we've already hit that plateau in MMO development. Rainding, guild PVP, endless gear runs, and endgame dungeons have all been done to death. We've been playing the same game for years, how long before enough is enough?
What I'd like to see is a story that continues and evolves, new archs thrown in, new twists and new events that happen over the years would be something new and i'd welcome it. A story can end and must end, but a new one can begin. I can't help but think this is the direction BW will take with endgame in TOR. Whats the point in so much story if it does end never to begin again?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
1 minor update per week. I personally would like to see some game mechanics outlined. Planets? Cool but meh, Classes? done. We need to see HOW the game works on a large scale.
Then do something else with your life. They don't owe you or the fanbase more than that. You don't NEED to see anything right now.
I always worry about the articulate ones. I listened to this lecture once from this very talented speaker who was basically a hater and extremist. Being a minority where I came from I immediately worried about him because people like him who has charisma and are articulate are the most dangerous. Same thing here those people who spew the worst hate are dangerous because they are articulate. Be wary of them.
i completely agree.
but if you were talking about me, i am reasonable, and i will try and keep an open mind. i respect other peoples opinions though and wont hold it against them.
if you werent talking about me, then i apologise for the public show of egotism :P
Ah but its the reasonable ones who are even more dangerous...<rolls eyes> ^^ I seriously doubt that either EA or Bioware are worried at this point. Bioware has a long tradition of crafting richly detailed game worlds, so I'm quite looking forward to seeing how this works out in TOR. While EA's past record in regards to MMO's is much less than good <double face palm>, lets hope they have enough wisdom to keep their hands off of TOR and let Bioware run it.
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Only now? It has been since that since 2007. That was the standard by then: complete open world design where you can go on any top of any mountain and explore everywhere. That doesn't even mean flying per se.
Perhaps you should browse back to the Tabula Rasa, AoC, War, ST, Aion launches and see the comments about their liniair gameplay. "Closed up", "liniair", "don't seem to be able to reach for those painted mountains in the back".
Why ? Because people already ... saw it done.
The 3D is but one aspect of "the new big thing". It's not an extra, it's a necessity since 2007.
If any invisible walls even exist in your game, you're done these days.
It is AND ... AND these days, not OR ... OR.
That's an example of the core programming I talked about, not some voice overs. Those are studio tools not progamming tools.
That's the polish we are talking about. That's where the real money should have been going to.
Full blown open ended space opera: all options included and it would have blown Wow to pieces.
Now you get a Lore, a voice over and some talking NPC's as henchman.
Of course they are worried.
I dont think anyone is worried just yet.
Most of this argument is being carried out by misinformed people. No-one knows this game will suck monkey balls, but people say it will, and they are ridiculed by people who think this game will be the best star wars game ever and these people are equally clueless.
i play SWG and have done so for a while, and i notice people assuming a lot of SWG vets have been spreading hate for TOR. i, myself can not see the appeal of TOR. i'm very much a sandbox mmo gamer. however my opinion is not reflective of a majority, and there are lots of people who would find this style of gameplay more suited to them. A lot of "SWG Vets" i see on these forums are just opinionated fools who cant get over the NGE. the fact is, most swg elders who still play SWG freely admits the current game is now better then Pre CU ever was. i dont take the opinions of someone, who hasnt played the game he's commenting on, seriously at all.
TOR is a game i was wary of, because of the lack of information and the initial hype. the more information that was released, the more disappointed i got, this game is clearly not the style of MMO i like. But just because i dont like it, doesnt mean it wont be a success. i will try it when it comes out, mainly because i've heard that TOR will tie up some of the KOTOR storylines.
As for final opinion on the game. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that this game will fail or succeed at this stage in time. All i will say is, based on what i've seen and heard, I will not like this game, but that does not mean i will still not like this game once its finished and i've actually tried it.
Bottom line is, none of us knows what TOR will be like as none of us have tried it.
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
Attention; this thread was about EA worried.
Not about fail ,or success. I offered many reasons why the game could not turn out the 1 M long term subs EA is targetting.
I think I have decent arguments with the present day's knowledge and the past history of the launches over the last 5 years.
People searched in vain why all those others failed come to that 1M: it was not due to one argument as some would think: programming bugs.
Not at all.
Do you think Bioware & EA are upset about all this negativity?
No, but I do think (assume) they are aware of it.
IMHO they are not upset or worried because for the most part WE (the posters/players of mmorpg.com) are not whom they are marketing the game to. SW:TOR is being made to be mass marketed to every single well conditioned retail consumer, not us as a group.
If SW:TOR does not sell in Walmart and Best Buy then Bioware and EA will be nervous, and it's several months before they have to worry about that. Right now anything they say to us is just to keep us from getting too far out of hand PR wise.
I personally don't like SW:TOR basic design to be honest, so I won't be buying it, but SW:TOR will be a smashing retail success and perhaps may have more retail shelf space devoted to it then even WoW eventually. That's what the Marketer's that run Bioware and EA care about. With retail sales will come the subscriptions and the cash shop profits.
How bad or good we think SW:TOR will be doesn't really matter to them.
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I dont think EA are worried at all yet
yes there are reasons why the game may not turn out the subs required, but you can find reasons for any game to fail, especially WoW, but it doesnt mean it will happen, as you have acknowledged.
I think EA will only start to worry post launch if it looks like the game will not live up to their expecatations, but before then i dont think they will be worried as there is nothing for them to go on. (ie sale figures, subs numbers etc)
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
I think they are in panic, they know the game will be epic fail.
Like this one. =(
Its reason like the above "we will worry about that after the launch" that create failures.
Not listening to feedback may be a serious mistake. If the game is not well received at launch it will never recover.
Why do SWG vet's and sandbox vets keep getting butt hurt over the truth? A vast majority of the complaining is coming from former SWG players who wear the term "SWG vet" like a badge of honor and then sandbox players are next in line to thrash the game. Anyone who reads this site or sites like it can attest that it is the vocal minority posting anyway so that statement does not imply that everyone who likes sandbox games or SWG specifically are going to dump on this game.
I have stated more than a few times over I am a launch day player of SWG and played it until right after the CU, and what I learned from that experience is that I do like sandbox elements to my gameplay as well but sandbox gameplay isn't like crack cocaine for me, I do not forsake all other types of gameplay because I have finally found my "medicine".
In general those who seem to know they are looking for a sandbox game have the same stance you do they are weary of the game or they blow right into this game is going to fail category that is the truth of the matter and if not I'd be happy to see a post made before this one that shows one person claiming to be a sandbox/swg vet who is excited to play the game, not just those willing to wait and see.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
You do realize this poster is not a representative of EA though? He is only expressing what he thinks...........
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Well, if he is right,
…then no opinion will harm or help EA.
If he is wrong,
… opinions like that may influence EA to stop listen to feedback.
A lose-lose situation for EA.
Yeah but EA never had a great development team like Bioware working on a MMO since UO. I am not worried, Bioware has yet to let me down with anything. Quality games has been their claim to fame.
I always worry about the articulate ones. I listened to this lecture once from this very talented speaker who was basically a hater and extremist. Being a minority where I came from I immediately worried about him because people like him who has charisma and are articulate are the most dangerous. Same thing here those people who spew the worst hate are dangerous because they are articulate. Be wary of them.
Yeah and if Apophis goes through that key hole in space then man will go the way of the dinosaurs......
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I think the difference though is that there is no charisma test to post on a forum. A billion words in protest haven't effected WOW's perch as the king of mmorpg's and I doubt that posts built on guesses and shady characters with ulterior motives like this one will be much different.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
On a forum not charisma but reason. They sound reasonable and do not come off as loons. That is the trick and I do respect some posters here who never resort to insults or condescension but sound oh so reasonable until you actually pick apart what they say . It has come to a point where some people even feel ashamed of their choice of games. When that happens you know they have succeeded.
You are quite correct.
But the point remains is that there is nothing to feedback on.
I will revise my opinion to say that I dont think EA will worry until the beta feedback comes in
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
I think you're misunderstanding me if you did mean to say "weary" unless its a typo of "wary"?
i'm not sure if you think i'm butthurt? i can assure you i am not. and as for the majority of complaints coming from SWG vets, well thats dependent on what you call a vet? But i see a lot of complaining coming from playerbases of lots of games and i wouldnt say one particular type of player forms a majority.
dont get me wrong, i'm not bashing the game, but at the same time i cant get "excited" as you say for this game either since its not what i look for or enjoy in a MMO.
but if you read what i said, i do acknowledge that this game may change my opinions of non sandbox MMOs, but for it to do that, i will need to play it, and not just read about it. i suspect this is the same for the silent majority of sandbox gamers which is why they will fall into the wait and see category.
i will say, i am looking forward to the story tying up plot elements from the KOTOR series
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
i completely agree.
but if you were talking about me, i am reasonable, and i will try and keep an open mind. i respect other peoples opinions though and wont hold it against them.
if you werent talking about me, then i apologise for the public show of egotism :P
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
Cute !
Oh come on even if you do not agree or disagree vehemently you have to admire a maverick.
In answer to the query in the OP: no and yes , its somewhat complicated.
Why they aren't worried:
1. Forumgoers albeit fanatical in their either support or detraction represent about 1/100th of actual consumers. 90% of the people that game online will never post once, preferring to be a silent majority. They speak with their wallets.
2. All games go through the love hate cycle. Make no mistake, BW has been watching Blizzard, Cryptic, CCP,, etc at their launches, information release, schedule, and interaction. BioWare might be alot of things, but "stupud" or "foolish" do NOT leap to mind. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
3. They are confident their product will speak for itself.
Why they feel twinges of nervousness:
1. Many of the Old School forum goers from back at day 1 launch of the site are even getting pissy and impatient.
2. They KNOW their community interaction is lacking. With the departure of Sean Dahlber much of the community interaction went south.
3. Forum moderation is a total and complete joke as of late. Its a hate/bash fest.
4. They have released NO info on testing or beta, which has people chomping at the bit, since there is leaked beta footage all over the internet. Making some hardcore fans who would never leak info feel slighted or jaded already.
5. If you enjoy something and are excited for it you'll tell 2 people. If you hate an experience or are generally dissatisfied you tell 5. It may not mean much, but word of mouth in the mmo community can be a powerful thing.
I'm confident the game will be great, but even I, one of the most rabid bioware fans on the planet, am getting impatient with the information release (or lack thereof). We know nothing about PVP, endgame, Crafting, Raiding, PVPVE, travel. Many of us are simply tired of getting 1 minor update per week. I personally would like to see some game mechanics outlined. Planets? Cool but meh, Classes? done. We need to see HOW the game works on a large scale.
Bioware's own words damned them to an extent : "We wont talk about a feature until its done and in for sure": Well they really havent told us shit about mechanics making alot of players feel that much of the game is unfinished. With a launch window of 5-7 months (march - may) ot has many of us worried. I'm not abandoning ship, but I damn well know EXACTLY where the lifeboat is located.
i think i preferred Iceman :P
i am actually really intigued about how this game will play out.
the one disadvantage to being story driven, that i can think off atm, is how do you keep players playing after the story has been told?
you cant keep a story going indefinitely or it'll just become stale and boring.
i look forward to seeing how this is done, as TOR will be the first non sandbox MMO i will be really having a go at.
i'm sure that Bioware has things in mind, and i'm sure EA will have asked this question and have been satisfied with the answer though
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
The question really is how long can the same old, same old, keep people playing game after game, from months to years? I honestly think we've already hit that plateau in MMO development. Rainding, guild PVP, endless gear runs, and endgame dungeons have all been done to death. We've been playing the same game for years, how long before enough is enough?
What I'd like to see is a story that continues and evolves, new archs thrown in, new twists and new events that happen over the years would be something new and i'd welcome it. A story can end and must end, but a new one can begin. I can't help but think this is the direction BW will take with endgame in TOR. Whats the point in so much story if it does end never to begin again?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Then do something else with your life. They don't owe you or the fanbase more than that. You don't NEED to see anything right now.
Do I think they have anyone who comes here to see the negativity?
I got to a few video game / nerd hubs on the internet; it's only really bad here. I think they're going to make a game that they think will entertain.
I also think a year after they launch they'll be well satisfied with the results.
Ah but its the reasonable ones who are even more dangerous...<rolls eyes> ^^ I seriously doubt that either EA or Bioware are worried at this point. Bioware has a long tradition of crafting richly detailed game worlds, so I'm quite looking forward to seeing how this works out in TOR. While EA's past record in regards to MMO's is much less than good <double face palm>, lets hope they have enough wisdom to keep their hands off of TOR and let Bioware run it.