The funny thing is, in the past couple years people have predicted it was going to be the F2P games that ruined the MMO market, but here we are with a P2P game making a cash shop decision even the F2Ps know would be a too far. Worse though, it opens Pandora's box for the entire industry. Maybe that is EAs intention though, to let WAR be remembered as Pandora.
Originally posted by olepi
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It must be certified, hand written cocktail napkins or t-shirts will not suffice. I will not be fooled twice!
I wonder how many people would pay to get to the end game. We might actually be taken aback at how many who might pay. Look at Glider for WoW so there are people and if the game itself makes it legal you have to think how many would buy it. Get to end game and PvP . So you skip all the levelling to get to do what you want. It is not so far fetched to think that it could make them money.
Im shocked it lasted this long with so few changes. At least they are doing something which they think will net more income. I give them credit for attempting something. It is just not for me. Paying more money in order to compete is not entertainment for me.
I wonder how many people would pay to get to the end game. We might actually be taken aback at how many who might pay. Look at Glider for WoW so there are people and if the game itself makes it legal you have to think how many would buy it. Get to end game and PvP . So you skip all the levelling to get to do what you want. It is not so far fetched to think that it could make them money.
2 dollars per RR per character and they'd be raking in money
Isn't it just 1 lvl per account? or are ppl just adding extra lvls on this thread to make it sound much worse?
Oddly enough I don't see the same hyper-ventilating surrounding the Friends lvling experience you get in WoW, automatic lvls upto lvl 60, and ofc thats also part of Blizzards "Suck you dry" service.
You're correct, it is only a one time per account type deal, and you can apply it to each of your toons in your account once. Like I mentioned earlier, it's good for someone who just can't wait to get from one tier into the next. It is nothing game breaking or imblance causing.
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Just my two cents, I just don't think this is such a bad thing. If people wanna pay for it, let em, if they don't, the choice is theirs. Such a simple concept, really.
You are just arguing your level of tolerance compared to someone elses. In essence everyone agrees it is a bad system, you just thing it isn't bad enough to complain about yet. Make no mistake, this is paying to not play the game and nothing more. It is not financially benefitial for mythic to create designs that encourage people to not want to play the last or hardest level of the game. There is no way to make that "not that bad" or in any way a positive for the players.
If the gameplay is so bad that people are willing to pay money to avoid it, then there is something fundementally wrong with the games design. Perhaps mythic would have been better suited trying to resolve that instead of trying to find ways to make a little extra money off the games problems. To bad RMT items like this do not ecourage the former type of game design, but rather encourage the latter.
Rewarding developers with cash for providing incentives to NOT play the game is corruptive to the design process and sends the wrong message. It doesn't matter if you can look the other way, because it has not crossed your threshhold yet. It will and when that does happen your disagreement will be to late, because you downplay the impact and precident being set now.
Your assumption that everyone agrees this is a bad idea is pretty far fetched, just as much as your assumption that anyone who buys this service is buying it because leveling content is bad. Thanks for enlightening us with your ability to tap into the psyche of every gamer on the planet and speak on their behalf.
Isn't it just 1 lvl per account? or are ppl just adding extra lvls on this thread to make it sound much worse?
Oddly enough I don't see the same hyper-ventilating surrounding the Friends lvling experience you get in WoW, automatic lvls upto lvl 60, and ofc thats also part of Blizzards "Suck you dry" service.
You're correct, it is only a one time per account type deal, and you can apply it to each of your toons in your account once. Like I mentioned earlier, it's good for someone who just can't wait to get from one tier into the next. It is nothing game breaking or imblance causing.
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Just my two cents, I just don't think this is such a bad thing. If people wanna pay for it, let em, if they don't, the choice is theirs. Such a simple concept, really.
You are just arguing your level of tolerance compared to someone elses. In essence everyone agrees it is a bad system, you just thing it isn't bad enough to complain about yet. Make no mistake, this is paying to not play the game and nothing more. It is not financially benefitial for mythic to create designs that encourage people to not want to play the last or hardest level of the game. There is no way to make that "not that bad" or in any way a positive for the players.
If the gameplay is so bad that people are willing to pay money to avoid it, then there is something fundementally wrong with the games design. Perhaps mythic would have been better suited trying to resolve that instead of trying to find ways to make a little extra money off the games problems. To bad RMT items like this do not ecourage the former type of game design, but rather encourage the latter.
Rewarding developers with cash for providing incentives to NOT play the game is corruptive to the design process and sends the wrong message. It doesn't matter if you can look the other way, because it has not crossed your threshhold yet. It will and when that does happen your disagreement will be to late, because you downplay the impact and precident being set now.
Your assumption that everyone agrees this is a bad idea is pretty far fetched, just as much as your assumption that anyone who buys this service is buying it because leveling content is bad. Thanks for enlightening us with your ability to tap into the psyche of every gamer on the planet and speak on their behalf.
I am going to agree with Azerin on this , your assumption of Everyone couldnt be any more incorrect , Most of the War players really dont care and understand the Insignifigance of 1 lvl in War .. I can only assume that you Dont play at all or have very limited experience with War , Which completely discredits your opinions on Wars progression in any form..
The only sitiuation i could see someone paying the 10$ would be to jump from 39 to 40 to grab there last skills and masteries to be more effective in RVr lakes ..Which discredits your assumptions that they pay" to not play the game" .. but to, in all reality " play the game "for what it was built to be .. an open RvR game and be as effective as they can to help there guild /alliance..
So again your opinions are completely wrong and off base..
Now take a gander to the drop down window on the right .. Nearly every game on that list has an RMT of some sort , including i would guess the one you are currently playing ...
Now we all dont agree with some of the things that RMTs are bringing, but Wars is very suttle compared to most on that list..
And the experienced palyers of this game understand it...
I am going to agree with Azerin on this , your assumption of Everyone couldnt be any more incorrect , Most of the War players really dont care and understand the Insignifigance of 1 lvl in War .. I can only assume that you Dont play at all or have very limited experience with War , Which completely discredits your opinions on Wars progression in any form..
The only sitiuation i could see someone paying the 10$ would be to jump from 39 to 40 to grab there last skills and masteries to be more effective in RVr lakes ..Which discredits your assumptions that they pay to not play the game .. but to in all reality to play the game for what it was built to be .. an open RvR game and be as effective as they can to help there guild /alliance..
So again your opinions are completely wrong and off base..
Now take a gander to the drop down window on the right .. Nearly every game on that list has an RMT of some sort , including i would guess the one you are currently playing ...
Now we all dont agree with some of the things that RMTs are bringing, but Wars is very suttle compared to most on that list..
And the experienced palyers of this game understand it...
I don't think they do.
Sure, there are games that have rmt and yes people don't always agree on how and even if that should be in a game.
And yes, one level in any game is not necessarily going to break the game.
But this sets a precedence or even helps reinforce some other decisions found in other games that people will pay to move forward. Sure we know this from secondary markets but before game developers were were more interested in just allowing players to play in order to progress. Slowly but surely xp pots creep in and there was even that "free" level in Age of Conan.
What we are seeing here is one more link in a chain that will continue to be built.
My issue is not what people do with their money nor is it that "one" level is being offered. My issue is that this is just another step forward in games where people will be able to buy progress.
For games that tout this feature "fine'. I don't begrudge people for how they want to spend their hard earned money. But will this signify a change in all games where people will be able to buy more levels and even better equipment, crowding out more traditional games where players had to play to progress? Because this one level will eventually be two/five or perhaps a maxed out character (?).
Will there be any games left where people play to advance over paying to advance? And if this is a feature of the game then I question the validy of any content that allows players to bypass it with a credit card. These games are supposed to be enjoyable not something where we have to find any means possible to bypass to the good stuff.
which then begs the question "why have levels at all and why not just have the good stuff". I'm sure there are multiple answers on all fronts there.
And for whatever it's worth (and my opinion is that it shouldn't be worth much) I do have a lvl 40 character in Warhammer.
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Specialized Training Pack – $9.99 USD, all characters on an account will recieve one War Tract that will allow them to immediately advance one full level when used
Hey, at least it will keep the servers on longer. For a mini expansion the game really doesn't seem to be getting a lot of attention.
lol. If that isnt the definition of item-shop advancement, I dont know what is.
I am going to agree with Azerin on this , your assumption of Everyone couldnt be any more incorrect , Most of the War players really dont care and understand the Insignifigance of 1 lvl in War .. I can only assume that you Dont play at all or have very limited experience with War , Which completely discredits your opinions on Wars progression in any form..
The only sitiuation i could see someone paying the 10$ would be to jump from 39 to 40 to grab there last skills and masteries to be more effective in RVr lakes ..Which discredits your assumptions that they pay to not play the game .. but to in all reality to play the game for what it was built to be .. an open RvR game and be as effective as they can to help there guild /alliance..
So again your opinions are completely wrong and off base..
Now take a gander to the drop down window on the right .. Nearly every game on that list has an RMT of some sort , including i would guess the one you are currently playing ...
Now we all dont agree with some of the things that RMTs are bringing, but Wars is very suttle compared to most on that list..
And the experienced palyers of this game understand it...
I don't think they do.
Sure, there are games that have rmt and yes people don't always agree on how and even if that should be in a game.
And yes, one level in any game is not necessarily going to break the game.
But this sets a precedence or even helps reinforce some other decisions found in other games that people will pay to move forward. Sure we know this from secondary markets but before game developers were were more interested in just allowing players to play in order to progress. Slowly but surely xp pots creep in and there was even that "free" level in Age of Conan.
What we are seeing here is one more link in a chain that will continue to be built.
My issue is not what people do with their money nor is it that "one" level is being offered. My issue is that this is just another step forward in games where people will be able to buy progress.
For games that tout this feature "fine'. I don't begrudge people for how they want to spend their hard earned money. But will this signify a change in all games where people will be able to buy more levels and even better equipment, crowding out more traditional games where players had to play to progress? Because this one level will eventually be two/five or perhaps a maxed out character (?).
Will there be any games left where people play to advance over paying to advance? And if this is a feature of the game then I question the validy of any content that allows players to bypass it with a credit card. These games are supposed to be enjoyable not something where we have to find any means possible to bypass to the good stuff.
which then begs the question "why have levels at all and why not just have the good stuff". I'm sure there are multiple answers on all fronts there.
And for whatever it's worth (and my opinion is that it shouldn't be worth much) I do have a lvl 40 character in Warhammer.
Being that people want to use "what ifs " and "maybe" , and "it could lead to "
I will respond to the hypothetical ... If War sells gear or full packs of levels .. I will be the 1st to unsubscribe showing my discontent with the direction that they possibly ,maybe ,could ,someday in the unforseeable future possibly go with there game..
But i really dont see this happening they understand the problems it would cause with there palying community ...
Until then ill hold my judgement .. Not spout out doom amd gloom at what may happen someday somewhere ,it might , in a distatnt land ,IF they decide to maybe possibly take this route i will agree ..
As a Warhammer TableTop fan I hope WAR would be my big MMO, but sadly that didnt happen. And now when I see this, I hope this (paying for lvl) dies with WAR.
Same here, I played almost all of GWS's TT games. WAR just needs to be put out of its missery. Im crossing my fingers for the 40k mmo,was more of a fan of 40k than Fantasy. hell even Blood Bowl is a much better Video game than WAR atm. OMFG come on ,you are paying 20 bucks (Now) for the game plus sub to PLAY the content not skip it haa.And 1 level wtf why not 5,maybe 10..not that id go for it,but it REALLY does show EA trying to M I L K the Lame Cow. 1 level is NOTHING. and the RvR packs/patch iis F'n laaaaaaaame its Lotros monster play basicly, now dont get me wrong i like lotors MP,but for WAR to say HEY we got SKAVEN now but they are paper dolls...what ever.
It's like they just don't care what they look like when they do something like this. Oh, I'm sure there are people who will do this adn I agree with one poster in that it is a slippery slope.
All the EA execs are sitting in a Burgandy painted room by a huge roaring fire, animal heads on the wall; glass eyes blankly staring downward, as they raise their glasses of cognac and make the toast: "Gentlemen; to Evil!"
LOL!
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to my understanding you can only buy this once, either way...why does it matter if someone wants to pay $400 to get to 40...they would be screwed as they do not have RR.
to my understanding you can only buy this once, either way...why does it matter if someone wants to pay $400 to get to 40...they would be screwed as they do not have RR.
Who's to say they won't be selling RR in a few months? Just a few months in the past, people never would have believed that they would be selling a level.
If we all sit at idle it's only going to get progressively worse. Many of us have been warning against this for quite some time. Now here we are talking about levels being sold in an MMORPG.
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Your assumption that everyone agrees this is a bad idea is pretty far fetched, just as much as your assumption
that anyone who buys this service is buying it because leveling content is bad. Thanks for enlightening us with your ability to tap into the psyche of every gamer on the planet and speak on their behalf.
When people, including yourself, say things like "it isn't that bad", "it isn't a huge deal" or "they aren't selling X yet, so it doesn't have much of an effect", that is an admission that it is a problem to some degree. Really what is being discussed is a matter of tolerance levels and of when these types of sales cross a certain line for players. Almost everyone to the man in disucssions like these make these types of statements. I'm not speaking for the world, but for what I see in these discussions. I really doubt anyone would pay to "win" the game and see the credits scroll without actually playing it, so I think it is safe to say everyone has their limits with this and it could be a gamebreaking issue when those limits are crossed.
If someone would rather work for a period of time at their job and use that compensation to then avoid gameplay in a game, then that shows how little value the actual gameplay holds to the players. That is a flat out admission from the developers that people do not find entertainment in their leveling process at some point and assume people will pay to avoid it. In my opinion that is a huge flaw and a conflict of interest in game design. Charging money to avoid gameplay is somehow supposed to be a benefit to players?
I am going to agree with Azerin on this , your assumption of Everyone couldnt be any more incorrect , Most of the War players really dont care and understand the Insignifigance of 1 lvl in War .. I can only assume that you Dont play at all or have very limited experience with War , Which completely discredits your opinions on Wars progression in any form..
The only sitiuation i could see someone paying the 10$ would be to jump from 39 to 40 to grab there last skills and masteries to be more effective in RVr lakes ..Which discredits your assumptions that they pay to not play the game .. but to in all reality to play the game for what it was built to be .. an open RvR game and be as effective as they can to help there guild /alliance..
So again your opinions are completely wrong and off base..
Now take a gander to the drop down window on the right .. Nearly every game on that list has an RMT of some sort , including i would guess the one you are currently playing ...
Now we all dont agree with some of the things that RMTs are bringing, but Wars is very suttle compared to most on that list..
And the experienced palyers of this game understand it...
I don't think they do.
Sure, there are games that have rmt and yes people don't always agree on how and even if that should be in a game.
And yes, one level in any game is not necessarily going to break the game.
But this sets a precedence or even helps reinforce some other decisions found in other games that people will pay to move forward. Sure we know this from secondary markets but before game developers were were more interested in just allowing players to play in order to progress. Slowly but surely xp pots creep in and there was even that "free" level in Age of Conan.
What we are seeing here is one more link in a chain that will continue to be built.
My issue is not what people do with their money nor is it that "one" level is being offered. My issue is that this is just another step forward in games where people will be able to buy progress.
For games that tout this feature "fine'. I don't begrudge people for how they want to spend their hard earned money. But will this signify a change in all games where people will be able to buy more levels and even better equipment, crowding out more traditional games where players had to play to progress? Because this one level will eventually be two/five or perhaps a maxed out character (?).
Will there be any games left where people play to advance over paying to advance? And if this is a feature of the game then I question the validy of any content that allows players to bypass it with a credit card. These games are supposed to be enjoyable not something where we have to find any means possible to bypass to the good stuff.
which then begs the question "why have levels at all and why not just have the good stuff". I'm sure there are multiple answers on all fronts there.
And for whatever it's worth (and my opinion is that it shouldn't be worth much) I do have a lvl 40 character in Warhammer.
Being that people want to use "what ifs " and "maybe" , and "it could lead to "
I will respond to the hypothetical ... If War sells gear or full packs of levels .. I will be the 1st to unsubscribe showing my discontent with the direction that they possibly ,maybe ,could ,someday in the unforseeable future possibly go with there game..
But i really dont see this happening they understand the problems it would cause with there palying community ...
Until then ill hold my judgement .. Not spout out doom amd gloom at what may happen someday somewhere ,it might , in a distatnt land ,IF they decide to maybe possibly take this route i will agree ..
But isn't that the point?
Where is the line in the sand? So, if they do one level and sell extremely good new player gear to get the players up and running is that when people will quit?
Or if they decide to add "two levels".
It sounds like doom and gloom when you are sitting at one particular point in time. But if you pull back and look at the genre in its entirety one can see a slow steady creep toward something that players have been saying (publicly) they don't want.
So sure, the secondary market was being patronized. But they were supposed to be "not acceptable". Then game devs realized that though there were many people screaming against gold sellers and power levelers, people were still buying. And it was growing.
so here the game companies are fighitng this battle because they hear the cries of their customers only to see that more and more people are buying from the very group that "everyone" was supposed to want out.
So then devs say, "ok, it's clear there is a market and it's clear that we might be spending resources fighting a battle that few people care about. Instead maybe we should be capitalizing on this group that is growing and willing to risk spending money with sellers who may or may not be reputable".
I see that you say that you will quit the moment they do "x" but until that time it's just doom and gloom. And I agree, it sounds like doom and gloom. And I believe in rmt when it comes to cosmetics and fluff items to put it in persepctive.
but isn't it reasonable to assume that 5 years ago, if some company were to sell "one level" that most players would be besides themselves simply because it was selling progrssion, albeit a small amount? But today "oh sure, one level won't hurt". It really is a larger paradigm shift than we realize.
At what point do we really see that arc of events and realize that this one level is not the end when seen in comparison to the popular opinion of players years ago. When seen in light of so many games addign some sort of free to play component?
Again, I don't care how you spend your money nor do I care if someone ends up buying a complete end game character in some future game. I really don't.. Just so long as there are still games around that allow us to earn our progression by playing.
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I am going to agree with Azerin on this , your assumption of Everyone couldnt be any more incorrect , Most of the War players really dont care and understand the Insignifigance of 1 lvl in War .. I can only assume that you Dont play at all or have very limited experience with War , Which completely discredits your opinions on Wars progression in any form..
The only sitiuation i could see someone paying the 10$ would be to jump from 39 to 40 to grab there last skills and masteries to be more effective in RVr lakes ..Which discredits your assumptions that they pay to not play the game .. but to in all reality to play the game for what it was built to be .. an open RvR game and be as effective as they can to help there guild /alliance..
So again your opinions are completely wrong and off base..
Now take a gander to the drop down window on the right .. Nearly every game on that list has an RMT of some sort , including i would guess the one you are currently playing ...
Now we all dont agree with some of the things that RMTs are bringing, but Wars is very suttle compared to most on that list..
And the experienced palyers of this game understand it...
I don't think they do.
Sure, there are games that have rmt and yes people don't always agree on how and even if that should be in a game.
And yes, one level in any game is not necessarily going to break the game.
But this sets a precedence or even helps reinforce some other decisions found in other games that people will pay to move forward. Sure we know this from secondary markets but before game developers were were more interested in just allowing players to play in order to progress. Slowly but surely xp pots creep in and there was even that "free" level in Age of Conan.
What we are seeing here is one more link in a chain that will continue to be built.
My issue is not what people do with their money nor is it that "one" level is being offered. My issue is that this is just another step forward in games where people will be able to buy progress.
For games that tout this feature "fine'. I don't begrudge people for how they want to spend their hard earned money. But will this signify a change in all games where people will be able to buy more levels and even better equipment, crowding out more traditional games where players had to play to progress? Because this one level will eventually be two/five or perhaps a maxed out character (?).
Will there be any games left where people play to advance over paying to advance? And if this is a feature of the game then I question the validy of any content that allows players to bypass it with a credit card. These games are supposed to be enjoyable not something where we have to find any means possible to bypass to the good stuff.
which then begs the question "why have levels at all and why not just have the good stuff". I'm sure there are multiple answers on all fronts there.
And for whatever it's worth (and my opinion is that it shouldn't be worth much) I do have a lvl 40 character in Warhammer.
Being that people want to use "what ifs " and "maybe" , and "it could lead to "
I will respond to the hypothetical ... If War sells gear or full packs of levels .. I will be the 1st to unsubscribe showing my discontent with the direction that they possibly ,maybe ,could ,someday in the unforseeable future possibly go with there game..
But i really dont see this happening they understand the problems it would cause with there palying community ...
Until then ill hold my judgement .. Not spout out doom amd gloom at what may happen someday somewhere ,it might , in a distatnt land ,IF they decide to maybe possibly take this route i will agree ..
But isn't that the point?
Where is the line in the sand? So, if they do one level and sell extremely good new player gear to get the players up and running is that when people will quit?
Or if they decide to add "two levels".
It sounds like doom and gloom when you are sitting at one particular point in time. But if you pull back and look at the genre in its entirety one can see a slow steady creep toward something that players have been saying (publicly) they don't want.
So sure, the secondary market was being patronized. But they were supposed to be "not acceptable". Then game devs realized that though there were many people screaming against gold sellers and power levelers, people were still buying. And it was growing.
so here the game companies are fighitng this battle because they hear the cries of their customers only to see that more and more people are buying from the very group that "everyone" was supposed to want out.
So then devs say, "ok, it's clear there is a market and it's clear that we might be spending resources fighting a battle that few people care about. Instead maybe we should be capitalizing on this group that is growing and willing to risk spending money with sellers who may or may not be reputable".
I see that you say that you will quit the moment they do "x" but until that time it's just doom and gloom. And I agree, it sounds like doom and gloom. And I believe in rmt when it comes to cosmetics and fluff items to put it in persepctive.
but isn't it reasonable to assume that 5 years ago, if some company were to sell "one level" that most players would be besides themselves simply because it was selling progrssion, albeit a small amount? But today "oh sure, one level won't hurt". It really is a larger paradigm shift than we realize.
At what point do we really see that arc of events and realize that this one level is not the end when seen in comparison to the popular opinion of players years ago. When seen in light of so many games addign some sort of free to play component?
Again, I don't care how you spend your money nor do I care if someone ends up buying a complete end game character in some future game. I really don't.. Just so long as there are still games around that allow us to earn our progression by playing.
Like many here on this site , i have been playing these games along time , Beta tested UO and still have an active account..
And i understand your concerns , as i share them and i have expressed similar views , but i have come to the realization that RMTs in the West gaming community are here to stay .. That being said , i also feel that all these comoanies have had there feelers out for 3-5 years on the RMT market for the West and have carefully weighed there options and are understanding what is acceptable...I believe we are at that "Line in the Sand" for the forseeablle future, and i dont think they will pushing the envelope much further , The 1st 1 that does will feel the collateral damage of a decision like that swfitly in the wallet..
What i dont like seeing is all the whiners and people who have no clue jumping on thread for just another chance to take a shot at company that really know lil about , some didnt even read the update patch notes at all they just follow the previous ignorant comment before them like mindless sheep.... With a total lack of knowledge of the real issue..
Nice talkin with ya , and lets just both hope the keep the games Real for us..
This is nothing less than grooming players to accept more and more intrustion of cash sales into actual gameplay. I don't think we are at a line in the sand, because collectively gamers are weak. We rush out to buy every new release, collecters edition and lifetime subscription we can. Even when the stench of decay can be seen swirly around a game, we reward developers with cash up front for games that continually fail to deliver.
Developers are getting more and more desperate so we will see more and more ideas like this being thrust in our faces. I feel the real problem is that there is no competition in the market place to make developers work hard for our dollars. One game gets the bulk of the market revenue and everyone else is left to fend however they can. No one really has to worry about what the competition does, because there isn't any.
A dead game like warhammer can try whatever it wants, because it is going to die no matter what. The same for a dozen other wow killers. Wow could really do this to, but there really is no need to and it would only make themselves vulnerable if and when a company finally puts out some challenge.
Until players do something to make developers take notice they will not see any line in the sane. All it would take really is for people to cancel on the same day, even if they reupped. Seeing 75% of your subscribers cancel would send the message. Even organizing a 1 day boycott would get attention and that is what developers are not seeing. Any form of resistance.
to my understanding you can only buy this once, either way...why does it matter if someone wants to pay $400 to get to 40...they would be screwed as they do not have RR.
Who's to say they won't be selling RR in a few months? Just a few months in the past, people never would have believed that they would be selling a level.
If we all sit at idle it's only going to get progressively worse. Many of us have been warning against this for quite some time. Now here we are talking about levels being sold in an MMORPG.
Does it really matter if someone wants to ruin their game experience and spend $$$...I laugh at those people.
to my understanding you can only buy this once, either way...why does it matter if someone wants to pay $400 to get to 40...they would be screwed as they do not have RR.
Who's to say they won't be selling RR in a few months? Just a few months in the past, people never would have believed that they would be selling a level.
If we all sit at idle it's only going to get progressively worse. Many of us have been warning against this for quite some time. Now here we are talking about levels being sold in an MMORPG.
Who's to say they will not be selling RR levels in a few month? The answer is no-one...well maybe a few folks at EA and Mythic. Maybe they will and maybe they will not, by that time myself (and others) will see if they find that acceptable, if not we will stop playing the game. If we do, we will still play a game we enjoy. I have no problem with it right now,
What you expect us to do then? Just because THEY MIGHT do something we all need to stop playing or massively complain about something that might happen? I know it might (most likely will) become worse and they try to find other ways to get money from us, that is what companies do. They will try things out though.
We could also just quit the game though, but that kinda does not make sense at all. In fact that would be kinda silly. That would be like not going outside, because someone might shoot you.
to my understanding you can only buy this once, either way...why does it matter if someone wants to pay $400 to get to 40...they would be screwed as they do not have RR.
Who's to say they won't be selling RR in a few months? Just a few months in the past, people never would have believed that they would be selling a level.
If we all sit at idle it's only going to get progressively worse. Many of us have been warning against this for quite some time. Now here we are talking about levels being sold in an MMORPG.
Who's to say they will not be selling RR levels in a few month? The answer is no-one...well maybe a few folks at EA and Mythic. Maybe they will and maybe they will not, by that time myself (and others) will see if they find that acceptable, if not we will stop playing the game. If we do, we will still play a game we enjoy. I have no problem with it right now,
What you expect us to do then? Just because THEY MIGHT do something we all need to stop playing or massively complain about something that might happen? I know it might (most likely will) become worse and they try to find other ways to get money from us, that is what companies do. They will try things out though.
We could also just quit the game though, but that kinda does not make sense at all. In fact that would be kinda silly. That would be like not going outside, because someone might shoot you.
Well said my good man...well said indeed.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
to my understanding you can only buy this once, either way...why does it matter if someone wants to pay $400 to get to 40...they would be screwed as they do not have RR.
Who's to say they won't be selling RR in a few months? Just a few months in the past, people never would have believed that they would be selling a level.
If we all sit at idle it's only going to get progressively worse. Many of us have been warning against this for quite some time. Now here we are talking about levels being sold in an MMORPG.
Who's to say they will not be selling RR levels in a few month? The answer is no-one...well maybe a few folks at EA and Mythic. Maybe they will and maybe they will not, by that time myself (and others) will see if they find that acceptable, if not we will stop playing the game. If we do, we will still play a game we enjoy. I have no problem with it right now,
What you expect us to do then? Just because THEY MIGHT do something we all need to stop playing or massively complain about something that might happen? I know it might (most likely will) become worse and they try to find other ways to get money from us, that is what companies do. They will try things out though.
We could also just quit the game though, but that kinda does not make sense at all. In fact that would be kinda silly. That would be like not going outside, because someone might shoot you.
Well said my good man...well said indeed.
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Sir, I am interested in the bridge you are selling, does it rid me of the addiction as well? and more importantly...do I receive a certification of 'YOU WIN!' ?
It must be certified, hand written cocktail napkins or t-shirts will not suffice. I will not be fooled twice!
I wonder how many people would pay to get to the end game. We might actually be taken aback at how many who might pay. Look at Glider for WoW so there are people and if the game itself makes it legal you have to think how many would buy it. Get to end game and PvP . So you skip all the levelling to get to do what you want. It is not so far fetched to think that it could make them money.
Im shocked its lasted 2 years! Another 6 months doesnt seem impossible.
Im shocked it lasted this long with so few changes. At least they are doing something which they think will net more income. I give them credit for attempting something. It is just not for me. Paying more money in order to compete is not entertainment for me.
Warhammer- LtP (Learn to Pay)
2 dollars per RR per character and they'd be raking in money
Your assumption that everyone agrees this is a bad idea is pretty far fetched, just as much as your assumption that anyone who buys this service is buying it because leveling content is bad. Thanks for enlightening us with your ability to tap into the psyche of every gamer on the planet and speak on their behalf.
I am going to agree with Azerin on this , your assumption of Everyone couldnt be any more incorrect , Most of the War players really dont care and understand the Insignifigance of 1 lvl in War .. I can only assume that you Dont play at all or have very limited experience with War , Which completely discredits your opinions on Wars progression in any form..
The only sitiuation i could see someone paying the 10$ would be to jump from 39 to 40 to grab there last skills and masteries to be more effective in RVr lakes ..Which discredits your assumptions that they pay" to not play the game" .. but to, in all reality " play the game "for what it was built to be .. an open RvR game and be as effective as they can to help there guild /alliance..
So again your opinions are completely wrong and off base..
Now take a gander to the drop down window on the right .. Nearly every game on that list has an RMT of some sort , including i would guess the one you are currently playing ...
Now we all dont agree with some of the things that RMTs are bringing, but Wars is very suttle compared to most on that list..
And the experienced palyers of this game understand it...
I had respect for Mythic up until now. Buying levels that's truely pathetic.
Oh god...that's the worst thing I've ever heard about an mmo game...
Actually there is no other game, neither free to play, selling levels!
WAR is a step closer to death...a shameful one!
False -many games sell exp potions which is worse .. you can buy many lvls this way ...
War has 1 lvl 1 time .
I don't think they do.
Sure, there are games that have rmt and yes people don't always agree on how and even if that should be in a game.
And yes, one level in any game is not necessarily going to break the game.
But this sets a precedence or even helps reinforce some other decisions found in other games that people will pay to move forward. Sure we know this from secondary markets but before game developers were were more interested in just allowing players to play in order to progress. Slowly but surely xp pots creep in and there was even that "free" level in Age of Conan.
What we are seeing here is one more link in a chain that will continue to be built.
My issue is not what people do with their money nor is it that "one" level is being offered. My issue is that this is just another step forward in games where people will be able to buy progress.
For games that tout this feature "fine'. I don't begrudge people for how they want to spend their hard earned money. But will this signify a change in all games where people will be able to buy more levels and even better equipment, crowding out more traditional games where players had to play to progress? Because this one level will eventually be two/five or perhaps a maxed out character (?).
Will there be any games left where people play to advance over paying to advance? And if this is a feature of the game then I question the validy of any content that allows players to bypass it with a credit card. These games are supposed to be enjoyable not something where we have to find any means possible to bypass to the good stuff.
which then begs the question "why have levels at all and why not just have the good stuff". I'm sure there are multiple answers on all fronts there.
And for whatever it's worth (and my opinion is that it shouldn't be worth much) I do have a lvl 40 character in Warhammer.
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lol. If that isnt the definition of item-shop advancement, I dont know what is.
Being that people want to use "what ifs " and "maybe" , and "it could lead to "
I will respond to the hypothetical ... If War sells gear or full packs of levels .. I will be the 1st to unsubscribe showing my discontent with the direction that they possibly ,maybe ,could ,someday in the unforseeable future possibly go with there game..
But i really dont see this happening they understand the problems it would cause with there palying community ...
Until then ill hold my judgement .. Not spout out doom amd gloom at what may happen someday somewhere ,it might , in a distatnt land ,IF they decide to maybe possibly take this route i will agree ..
Same here, I played almost all of GWS's TT games. WAR just needs to be put out of its missery. Im crossing my fingers for the 40k mmo,was more of a fan of 40k than Fantasy. hell even Blood Bowl is a much better Video game than WAR atm. OMFG come on ,you are paying 20 bucks (Now) for the game plus sub to PLAY the content not skip it haa.And 1 level wtf why not 5,maybe 10..not that id go for it,but it REALLY does show EA trying to M I L K the Lame Cow. 1 level is NOTHING. and the RvR packs/patch iis F'n laaaaaaaame its Lotros monster play basicly, now dont get me wrong i like lotors MP,but for WAR to say HEY we got SKAVEN now but they are paper dolls...what ever.
LOL!
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to my understanding you can only buy this once, either way...why does it matter if someone wants to pay $400 to get to 40...they would be screwed as they do not have RR.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Who's to say they won't be selling RR in a few months? Just a few months in the past, people never would have believed that they would be selling a level.
If we all sit at idle it's only going to get progressively worse. Many of us have been warning against this for quite some time. Now here we are talking about levels being sold in an MMORPG.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
When people, including yourself, say things like "it isn't that bad", "it isn't a huge deal" or "they aren't selling X yet, so it doesn't have much of an effect", that is an admission that it is a problem to some degree. Really what is being discussed is a matter of tolerance levels and of when these types of sales cross a certain line for players. Almost everyone to the man in disucssions like these make these types of statements. I'm not speaking for the world, but for what I see in these discussions. I really doubt anyone would pay to "win" the game and see the credits scroll without actually playing it, so I think it is safe to say everyone has their limits with this and it could be a gamebreaking issue when those limits are crossed.
If someone would rather work for a period of time at their job and use that compensation to then avoid gameplay in a game, then that shows how little value the actual gameplay holds to the players. That is a flat out admission from the developers that people do not find entertainment in their leveling process at some point and assume people will pay to avoid it. In my opinion that is a huge flaw and a conflict of interest in game design. Charging money to avoid gameplay is somehow supposed to be a benefit to players?
But isn't that the point?
Where is the line in the sand? So, if they do one level and sell extremely good new player gear to get the players up and running is that when people will quit?
Or if they decide to add "two levels".
It sounds like doom and gloom when you are sitting at one particular point in time. But if you pull back and look at the genre in its entirety one can see a slow steady creep toward something that players have been saying (publicly) they don't want.
So sure, the secondary market was being patronized. But they were supposed to be "not acceptable". Then game devs realized that though there were many people screaming against gold sellers and power levelers, people were still buying. And it was growing.
so here the game companies are fighitng this battle because they hear the cries of their customers only to see that more and more people are buying from the very group that "everyone" was supposed to want out.
So then devs say, "ok, it's clear there is a market and it's clear that we might be spending resources fighting a battle that few people care about. Instead maybe we should be capitalizing on this group that is growing and willing to risk spending money with sellers who may or may not be reputable".
I see that you say that you will quit the moment they do "x" but until that time it's just doom and gloom. And I agree, it sounds like doom and gloom. And I believe in rmt when it comes to cosmetics and fluff items to put it in persepctive.
but isn't it reasonable to assume that 5 years ago, if some company were to sell "one level" that most players would be besides themselves simply because it was selling progrssion, albeit a small amount? But today "oh sure, one level won't hurt". It really is a larger paradigm shift than we realize.
At what point do we really see that arc of events and realize that this one level is not the end when seen in comparison to the popular opinion of players years ago. When seen in light of so many games addign some sort of free to play component?
Again, I don't care how you spend your money nor do I care if someone ends up buying a complete end game character in some future game. I really don't.. Just so long as there are still games around that allow us to earn our progression by playing.
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Like many here on this site , i have been playing these games along time , Beta tested UO and still have an active account..
And i understand your concerns , as i share them and i have expressed similar views , but i have come to the realization that RMTs in the West gaming community are here to stay .. That being said , i also feel that all these comoanies have had there feelers out for 3-5 years on the RMT market for the West and have carefully weighed there options and are understanding what is acceptable...I believe we are at that "Line in the Sand" for the forseeablle future, and i dont think they will pushing the envelope much further , The 1st 1 that does will feel the collateral damage of a decision like that swfitly in the wallet..
What i dont like seeing is all the whiners and people who have no clue jumping on thread for just another chance to take a shot at company that really know lil about , some didnt even read the update patch notes at all they just follow the previous ignorant comment before them like mindless sheep.... With a total lack of knowledge of the real issue..
Nice talkin with ya , and lets just both hope the keep the games Real for us..
This is nothing less than grooming players to accept more and more intrustion of cash sales into actual gameplay. I don't think we are at a line in the sand, because collectively gamers are weak. We rush out to buy every new release, collecters edition and lifetime subscription we can. Even when the stench of decay can be seen swirly around a game, we reward developers with cash up front for games that continually fail to deliver.
Developers are getting more and more desperate so we will see more and more ideas like this being thrust in our faces. I feel the real problem is that there is no competition in the market place to make developers work hard for our dollars. One game gets the bulk of the market revenue and everyone else is left to fend however they can. No one really has to worry about what the competition does, because there isn't any.
A dead game like warhammer can try whatever it wants, because it is going to die no matter what. The same for a dozen other wow killers. Wow could really do this to, but there really is no need to and it would only make themselves vulnerable if and when a company finally puts out some challenge.
Until players do something to make developers take notice they will not see any line in the sane. All it would take really is for people to cancel on the same day, even if they reupped. Seeing 75% of your subscribers cancel would send the message. Even organizing a 1 day boycott would get attention and that is what developers are not seeing. Any form of resistance.
Does it really matter if someone wants to ruin their game experience and spend $$$...I laugh at those people.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Who's to say they will not be selling RR levels in a few month? The answer is no-one...well maybe a few folks at EA and Mythic. Maybe they will and maybe they will not, by that time myself (and others) will see if they find that acceptable, if not we will stop playing the game. If we do, we will still play a game we enjoy. I have no problem with it right now,
What you expect us to do then? Just because THEY MIGHT do something we all need to stop playing or massively complain about something that might happen? I know it might (most likely will) become worse and they try to find other ways to get money from us, that is what companies do. They will try things out though.
We could also just quit the game though, but that kinda does not make sense at all. In fact that would be kinda silly. That would be like not going outside, because someone might shoot you.
Well said my good man...well said indeed.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Resume the position, gentlemen.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb