FFXIV will never be up to par, it will not be able to content with the next batch of AAA MMO's coming out. All in all this has been good for some laughs, but I still can't bring myself to drop the money for the cost of the game, even if it is truly f2p right now (and it is more f2p than anything is or ever was hehe). I see a cash shop in FFXIV's future and not just with fluff items. Honestly, there's only so long they can continue to update and (potentially) improve the game without bringing in any money. But hey if it works for the people that are still paying and those that are still playing and actually enjoy it, then I guess that is all that matters. Personally, I severely doubt they will ever change it enough for me to find it enjoyable at all; this game will always be FAIL to me.
The announcement still cracks me up. I can't read through the whole thing without breaking into laughter.
We got Another Ms.Cleo Folks.
Is that the best insult you could come up with? LOL. It's not that far off to think the game has a serious cash shop in it's future, that or it will get shut down. They can only go so long without any money coming in before they have to remedy it with a serious money making plan or admit defeat.
Ms.Cleo...HA! I prefer Devil's Advocate or Doomsayer hehe.
“The basic model hasn't changed,” he said. “It's a monthly flat rate service with additional charges for items that users want to buy".
“For FFXI we didn't initially set up the item transaction model that well – although the demand for it was high. We thought that it would be a benefit for users, but that we wouldn't be able to charge.
“We soon learnt that there are a lot of people who want that kind of model, so we would like to introduce more pay-as-you-use items into the game. But there were too few items in FFXI – however we don't want to take it to the other extreme entirely for FFXIV.
FFXIV will never be up to par, it will not be able to content with the next batch of AAA MMO's coming out. All in all this has been good for some laughs, but I still can't bring myself to drop the money for the cost of the game, even if it is truly f2p right now (and it is more f2p than anything is or ever was hehe). I see a cash shop in FFXIV's future and not just with fluff items. Honestly, there's only so long they can continue to update and (potentially) improve the game without bringing in any money. But hey if it works for the people that are still paying and those that are still playing and actually enjoy it, then I guess that is all that matters. Personally, I severely doubt they will ever change it enough for me to find it enjoyable at all; this game will always be FAIL to me.
The announcement still cracks me up. I can't read through the whole thing without breaking into laughter.
We got Another Ms.Cleo Folks.
Is that the best insult you could come up with? LOL. It's not that far off to think the game has a serious cash shop in it's future, that or it will get shut down. They can only go so long without any money coming in before they have to remedy it with a serious money making plan or admit defeat.
Ms.Cleo...HA! I prefer Devil's Advocate or Doomsayer hehe.
Wasn't an insult, guy. Just a fact. Just because you see a cash shop in the future doesn't mean it will happen. What i meant by ms.cleo is that you're full of shit just like her, and will share the same fate as her(where is she now?). The game will always be fail to you, and who are you? Just because it's fail to you doesn't mean its fail. You laugh at the annoucement, which doesn't surprise me. That is generally what immature individuals do when someone is attempting to present something serious. They take it as a joke. To be honest, thats why i liked FFXI because it weeded out kids like you, forced you back to WoW. "FFXIV will never be up to par" Says who?? You, and again whom are you? What is so great about the next back of AAA MMOs that we haven't seen already. What you are saying is what people were saying about games that came out before XIV, in comparison to XIV , and look what we "have" with XIV in the current state. So all your comments are moot, and ignorant. Now press that report button my post.
Who said they shouldn't? writing was on the wall from very first days of closed beta feedback. It just your sarcastic use of 'the disaster' which made me thinking, were you expecting something else?
No, I was commenting on the guy who said it's a disaster that they took action this way. How, I have no idea. It's like some people are still stuck in September. The past can't be changed no matter what they do or don't do, but this move was good for the future. Even if the game still most likely won't become successful this was still a good thing.
The perspective is important.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
FFXIV will never be up to par, it will not be able to content with the next batch of AAA MMO's coming out. All in all this has been good for some laughs, but I still can't bring myself to drop the money for the cost of the game, even if it is truly f2p right now (and it is more f2p than anything is or ever was hehe). I see a cash shop in FFXIV's future and not just with fluff items. Honestly, there's only so long they can continue to update and (potentially) improve the game without bringing in any money. But hey if it works for the people that are still paying and those that are still playing and actually enjoy it, then I guess that is all that matters. Personally, I severely doubt they will ever change it enough for me to find it enjoyable at all; this game will always be FAIL to me.
The announcement still cracks me up. I can't read through the whole thing without breaking into laughter.
We got Another Ms.Cleo Folks.
Is that the best insult you could come up with? LOL. It's not that far off to think the game has a serious cash shop in it's future, that or it will get shut down. They can only go so long without any money coming in before they have to remedy it with a serious money making plan or admit defeat.
Ms.Cleo...HA! I prefer Devil's Advocate or Doomsayer hehe.
“The basic model hasn't changed,” he said. “It's a monthly flat rate service with additional charges for items that users want to buy".
“For FFXI we didn't initially set up the item transaction model that well – although the demand for it was high. We thought that it would be a benefit for users, but that we wouldn't be able to charge.
“We soon learnt that there are a lot of people who want that kind of model, so we would like to introduce more pay-as-you-use items into the game. But there were too few items in FFXI – however we don't want to take it to the other extreme entirely for FFXIV.
I have been watching the development of FFXIV for over the last year and really steered clear of it after reading so many of the reactions during the beta.
My question is to any current players, is this game worth a try. It looks like I could purchase FFXIV and anticipate at least 2 to 3 free months of play.
Im not a huge fan of the FF series but I have played numerous console FF and really enjoyed them. I played FFXI for about a month. I did enjoy it a bit but found it very difficult to find groups all the time and really grinding leveling.
FFXIV will never be up to par, it will not be able to content with the next batch of AAA MMO's coming out. All in all this has been good for some laughs, but I still can't bring myself to drop the money for the cost of the game, even if it is truly f2p right now (and it is more f2p than anything is or ever was hehe). I see a cash shop in FFXIV's future and not just with fluff items. Honestly, there's only so long they can continue to update and (potentially) improve the game without bringing in any money. But hey if it works for the people that are still paying and those that are still playing and actually enjoy it, then I guess that is all that matters. Personally, I severely doubt they will ever change it enough for me to find it enjoyable at all; this game will always be FAIL to me.
The announcement still cracks me up. I can't read through the whole thing without breaking into laughter.
We got Another Ms.Cleo Folks.
Is that the best insult you could come up with? LOL. It's not that far off to think the game has a serious cash shop in it's future, that or it will get shut down. They can only go so long without any money coming in before they have to remedy it with a serious money making plan or admit defeat.
Ms.Cleo...HA! I prefer Devil's Advocate or Doomsayer hehe.
Wasn't an insult, guy. Just a fact. Just because you see a cash shop in the future doesn't mean it will happen. What i meant by ms.cleo is that you're full of shit just like her, and will share the same fate as her(where is she now?). The game will always be fail to you, and who are you? Just because it's fail to you doesn't mean its fail. You laugh at the annoucement, which doesn't surprise me. That is generally what immature individuals do when someone is attempting to present something serious. They take it as a joke. To be honest, thats why i liked FFXI because it weeded out kids like you, forced you back to WoW. "FFXIV will never be up to par" Says who?? You, and again whom are you? What is so great about the next back of AAA MMOs that we haven't seen already. What you are saying is what people were saying about games that came out before XIV, in comparison to XIV , and look what we "have" with XIV in the current state. So all your comments are moot, and ignorant. Now press that report button my post.
Still the same attitude problem? and who are you exactly? whatever you stated is a an OPINION not a FACT. A lot of unforseen things have happened during last 3 months who can say with absolutely surety that item shop is completely out of picture. Why insult others for giving their opinion?
Also' weeding out' is working great for you people isn't it? i guess you weeded out way too many players so much that FFXIV hardly got any players left to even charge a respectable amount of monthly fee. And i had to laugh at you if you thought there were no kids in FFXI.
Kids playing video games? no way.
If i have learned anything from last 5 years, MMO's don't get a second chance. After the first impressions they are lost in sea of mediocrity forever. STO, Vanguard, AOC, WAR for few examples.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Who said they shouldn't? writing was on the wall from very first days of closed beta feedback. It just your sarcastic use of 'the disaster' which made me thinking, were you expecting something else?
No, I was commenting on the guy who said it's a disaster that they took action this way. How, I have no idea. It's like some people are still stuck in September. The past can't be changed no matter what they do or don't do, but this move was good for the future. Even if the game still most likely won't become successful this was still a good thing.
The perspective is important.
Hmmm , I took a reflective moment just now. Because I really do have to appreciate the kahoknees(sp) it too SE to write that up and release it to the MMO public, knowing how we'd rip, tear and chew it up. So yah , I totally agree about perspective, when it comes to this action on the part of SE, and action in general of late from SE.
Even if I don't act like it, I am with you in hoping that SE continues making these strides. I only just learnt that you aren't playing FF14 now. So you don't have to be frustrated while waiting for the periodic updates. hehe Lucky you :P
I love snails. I love every kinda snail. I just want to hug them all, but I cant. Cant hug every snail.
FFXIV will never be up to par, it will not be able to content with the next batch of AAA MMO's coming out. All in all this has been good for some laughs, but I still can't bring myself to drop the money for the cost of the game, even if it is truly f2p right now (and it is more f2p than anything is or ever was hehe). I see a cash shop in FFXIV's future and not just with fluff items. Honestly, there's only so long they can continue to update and (potentially) improve the game without bringing in any money. But hey if it works for the people that are still paying and those that are still playing and actually enjoy it, then I guess that is all that matters. Personally, I severely doubt they will ever change it enough for me to find it enjoyable at all; this game will always be FAIL to me.
The announcement still cracks me up. I can't read through the whole thing without breaking into laughter.
We got Another Ms.Cleo Folks.
Is that the best insult you could come up with? LOL. It's not that far off to think the game has a serious cash shop in it's future, that or it will get shut down. They can only go so long without any money coming in before they have to remedy it with a serious money making plan or admit defeat.
Ms.Cleo...HA! I prefer Devil's Advocate or Doomsayer hehe.
“The basic model hasn't changed,” he said. “It's a monthly flat rate service with additional charges for items that users want to buy".
“For FFXI we didn't initially set up the item transaction model that well – although the demand for it was high. We thought that it would be a benefit for users, but that we wouldn't be able to charge.
“We soon learnt that there are a lot of people who want that kind of model, so we would like to introduce more pay-as-you-use items into the game. But there were too few items in FFXI – however we don't want to take it to the other extreme entirely for FFXIV.
Items and in-game items are two diff things. Items - Authenticators, Crystia (for payments), etc. Ingame items - You know what those are.
You know, as much as I am frustrated by the game. I still like my little security token on my keychain, and if the game got a better party system and picked up for me, I'd probably buy a plush toy- what!? Don't question me.
I love snails. I love every kinda snail. I just want to hug them all, but I cant. Cant hug every snail.
FFXIV will never be up to par, it will not be able to content with the next batch of AAA MMO's coming out. All in all this has been good for some laughs, but I still can't bring myself to drop the money for the cost of the game, even if it is truly f2p right now (and it is more f2p than anything is or ever was hehe). I see a cash shop in FFXIV's future and not just with fluff items. Honestly, there's only so long they can continue to update and (potentially) improve the game without bringing in any money. But hey if it works for the people that are still paying and those that are still playing and actually enjoy it, then I guess that is all that matters. Personally, I severely doubt they will ever change it enough for me to find it enjoyable at all; this game will always be FAIL to me.
The announcement still cracks me up. I can't read through the whole thing without breaking into laughter.
We got Another Ms.Cleo Folks.
Is that the best insult you could come up with? LOL. It's not that far off to think the game has a serious cash shop in it's future, that or it will get shut down. They can only go so long without any money coming in before they have to remedy it with a serious money making plan or admit defeat.
Ms.Cleo...HA! I prefer Devil's Advocate or Doomsayer hehe.
Wasn't an insult, guy. Just a fact. Just because you see a cash shop in the future doesn't mean it will happen. What i meant by ms.cleo is that you're full of shit just like her, and will share the same fate as her(where is she now?). The game will always be fail to you, and who are you? Just because it's fail to you doesn't mean its fail. You laugh at the annoucement, which doesn't surprise me. That is generally what immature individuals do when someone is attempting to present something serious. They take it as a joke. To be honest, thats why i liked FFXI because it weeded out kids like you, forced you back to WoW. "FFXIV will never be up to par" Says who?? You, and again whom are you? What is so great about the next back of AAA MMOs that we haven't seen already. What you are saying is what people were saying about games that came out before XIV, in comparison to XIV , and look what we "have" with XIV in the current state. So all your comments are moot, and ignorant. Now press that report button my post.
Still the same attitude problem? and who are you exactly? whatever you stated is a an OPINION not a FACT. A lot of unforseen things have happebned during last 3 months who can say with absolutely surety that item shop is completely out of picture. Why insult others for giving their opinion?
Also' weeding out' is working great for you people isn't it? i guess you weeded out way too many players so much that FFXIV hardly got any players left to even charge a respectable amount of monthly fee. And i had to laugh at you if you thought there were no kids in FFXI.
Kids playing video games? no way.
If i have learned anything from last 5 years, MMO's don't get a second chance. After the first impressions they are lost in sea of mediocrity forever. STO, Vanguard, AOC, WAR for few examples.
Only 5 years?? You have a lot to learn my young padawan. Sounds like your sea of mediocrity is fill with hypocrity being you spent nearly 500 hrs on one of the games you just named. As well as ffxiv in general has a big name behind it to attract generally non mmo gamers. Ffxi doesn't need additional chances, it has its series behind it. Can you described that figure hardly any with facts. There is a difference between opinions and false facts, which there are more false facts coming from the otherside vs opinions.
It will take more than a cotton fent to repair I'm afraid. I've been logging in somewhat regularly since the Nov patch, certainly more than I did a month ago when I hardly played at all, and the numbers just feel down everywhere I go.
They intended to have a P2P game, but it's been like a B2P, which of course is great for the people who are still running around Eorzea. I wonder if they will ultimately drop the P2P model for this, given the problems there are and now an additional delay for the PS3. It would be great though if the game was eventually improved to the point where enough people will happily pay monthly for it, because that would say something. Until then, good luck FFXIV.
It will take more than a cotton fent to repair I'm afraid. I've been logging in somewhat regularly since the Nov patch, certainly more than I did a month ago when I hardly played at all, and the numbers just feel down everywhere I go.
They intended to have a P2P game, but it's been like a B2P, which of course is great for the people who are still running around Eorzea. I wonder if they will ultimately drop the P2P model for this, given the problems there are and now an additional delay for the PS3. It would be great though if the game was eventually improved to the point where enough people will happily pay monthly for it, because that would say something. Until then, good luck FFXIV.
Yah I hope it never goes f2p. Please god, tell me SE is too good for that bollocks. Selling trinkets and accesories is cool beans, but item shop mall. Thats when you know ur game is a cheap piece o'garbage. When you start charging people for a hairstyle, or a pony. A beast of a game can stand to charge a monthly fee.
I challenge SE to pull an EVE and make a great game. I think it's in them to do.
I love snails. I love every kinda snail. I just want to hug them all, but I cant. Cant hug every snail.
Only 5 years?? You have a lot to learn my young padawan. Sounds like your sea of mediocrity is fill with hypocrity being you spent nearly 500 hrs on one of the games you just named. As well as ffxiv in general has a big name behind it to attract generally non mmo gamers. Ffxi doesn't need additional chances, it has its series behind it. Can you described that figure hardly any with facts. There is a difference between opinions and false facts, which there are more false facts coming from the otherside vs opinions.
So you can't read either? i see. When you are too busy insulting others reading can be hard. When i said MMO's don't get a second chance i wasn't talking about me but player population in general. And it is true regardless of how many hours i spent in a game or if i think this game now deservers a second chance. i am not majority and majority rules in future of MMOS.
Yeah FFXIV got a big name and series behind it, how is it working out for it? by your logic since FFXIV has a big name behind it everything should have been fine and dandy. And please learn what fact means. Saying FFXIV will never have a 'item shop' is an opinion not a FACT. Pick up a dictionary maybe?
As far as my 5 years experince is concerned. Some of the major setbacks have happened during past 5 years.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
As someone who bought this game with high regards. Who played it for a day or so before getting hit with the "Uh, I think I got ripped off..." feeling....
I hope the new management can take the ideas of the game and make them 'good'. I don't want everything to change to be more like XI or more like WoW or even more like UO.
Keep their systems, tighten them up. Give more context to the world other than a broken progression system and those stupid leves.
That's all they'd have to fix. Make combat responsive, give a bit more meaning to the stats. ADD A UNIQUE RACE or two.
I don't want a pretty FFXI, I want an immersive FFXIV.
PS: I have no problem with FFXIV going B2P with an item mall. They can take a look at Guild Wars and add content riddled mini expansions and charge 12 bucks or so I'm sold.
You guys shouldn't be arguing, you both seem like decent fellows. Were brothers in arms here guys. MMO lovers just wanting the bang for our buck from the developers, you know?
I think FF14 will have a strong and steady population through the changes they intend to implement. I dont think anyone already playing is going to leave because it goes free. The "buy to play" will only help them gain players. People love free, and if they know its a AAA studio game that isnt supposed to be free they will find reason enough to try it out.
Then they will have a big "release" of the game for PS3, once its release ready. And people will say "hey ima give that another try". SE will time the release of the PS3 version when there is a lull in the MMO universe, so people will be in a state of mind where they can see themselves trying out FF14. With hard work and as long as they fix the f-ing problems I can see FF14 sitting stable around 300k np.
I think where Hyan is talking about FF14 pulling an EVE is interesting as well. Because unlike FF11 graphics won't hold this game back a few years from now when it is in working order. So assuming its a good game in the future, it'll be a game people can pick up for either their pc or ps3 based on word of mouth . That console edge will be really good for them as well. I think they also have it ready for Xbox, should they figure stuff out with Microsoft one day down the line it could be sold for that system. If they pull off the company feature and besieged based stuff and all the stuff they have planned; I think its possible that can continue to have moments in the spotlight, such as the ps3 release and expansion releases, that draw potential players in.
That being said, I really want to be able to party grind in this game. rawr!
I love snails. I love every kinda snail. I just want to hug them all, but I cant. Cant hug every snail.
I have been watching the development of FFXIV for over the last year and really steered clear of it after reading so many of the reactions during the beta.
My question is to any current players, is this game worth a try. It looks like I could purchase FFXIV and anticipate at least 2 to 3 free months of play.
Im not a huge fan of the FF series but I have played numerous console FF and really enjoyed them. I played FFXI for about a month. I did enjoy it a bit but found it very difficult to find groups all the time and really grinding leveling.
I think Darkfall (while doing quite well ATM) still has a ways to go, but EVE is a good example.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Despite my negative outlook on the future of the game, I hope am wrong for the sake of the game and the players who enjoy it. I don't enjoy the game in the least, but I don't hate it. But I am looking at what is happening aling with what is going on in the MMO industry and I can't help, but think they've really humped the bunk with the handling of the development and management of the game. The games people mention in the past as having had successful intitial launches and subsequent fast acting fallouts and then have slowly improved and gained solid enough footholds are true enough scenarios, but those games were mainly competing with each other and WoW and did not face as much competition as FFXIV does now and will in the months to come. The extended free time is a postitive move for the playerbase and although it is surprising to see a developer do that is was almost a necessity.
It's disappointing that their only tactic they could come up with was to fire everyone and bleed staff off of one game in order to try and save face with their new game. Can't be good for FFXI. Hopefully it works for FFXIV.
If it was, then we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
This should have been a no-brainer. MMO development has come leaps and bounds since FFXI was released; not all concepts have worked, but the tools and inspiration for what can make a great MMO are out there. And Square Enix seem to have missed everything new and dynamic about the growing MMO industry and developed FFXIV in a bubble. And the end result was a nice graphics engine with some rudimentary gameplay elements tacked on. And that just isn't acceptable in today's market. And Square Enix have found this out the hard way.
If it was, then we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
This should have been a no-brainer. MMO development has come leaps and bounds since FFXI was released; not all concepts have worked, but the tools and inspiration for what can make a great MMO are out there. And Square Enix seem to have missed everything new and dynamic about the growing MMO industry and developed FFXIV in a bubble. And the end result was a nice graphics engine with some rudimentary gameplay elements tacked on. And that just isn't acceptable in today's market. And Square Enix have found this out the hard way.
True enough, haha but I'd like to hope that my investment wasn't wasted in the long run. Im glad they got the much needed wake up though.
I love snails. I love every kinda snail. I just want to hug them all, but I cant. Cant hug every snail.
Despite my negative outlook on the future of the game, I hope am wrong for the sake of the game and the players who enjoy it. I don't enjoy the game in the least, but I don't hate it. But I am looking at what is happening aling with what is going on in the MMO industry and I can't help, but think they've really humped the bunk with the handling of the development and management of the game. The games people mention in the past as having had successful intitial launches and subsequent fast acting fallouts and then have slowly improved and gained solid enough footholds are true enough scenarios, but those games were mainly competing with each other and WoW and did not face as much competition as FFXIV does now and will in the months to come. The extended free time is a postitive move for the playerbase and although it is surprising to see a developer do that is was almost a necessity.
It's disappointing that their only tactic they could come up with was to fire everyone and bleed staff off of one game in order to try and save face with their new game. Can't be good for FFXI. Hopefully it works for FFXIV.
I hope so for the sake of the people who bought it hoping to enjoy it, but were seriously disappointed. The people who like it now.. I don't know what's wrong with them. But hopefully they won't feel alienated when that box they're playing in actually gets some sand in it.
On that last point it's probably not that big of a deal. Japanese video games still have that 1980s business structure to them like US banks do. It's a reshuffle to make people idly watching think there's some major restructuring going on. Here in the US it would be a bigger deal because a lot of game companies, no matter how big or small, like to have that 'we're working out of our garage' indy structure in tact.
I think Darkfall (while doing quite well ATM) still has a ways to go, but EVE is a good example.
It took EVE 5+ years to make all those changes. How can we compare FFXIV to follow same path of success? it was very different times and moreover EVE was unique and hardly had any competition in sci-fi genre.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
If it was, then we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
This should have been a no-brainer. MMO development has come leaps and bounds since FFXI was released; not all concepts have worked, but the tools and inspiration for what can make a great MMO are out there. And Square Enix seem to have missed everything new and dynamic about the growing MMO industry and developed FFXIV in a bubble. And the end result was a nice graphics engine with some rudimentary gameplay elements tacked on. And that just isn't acceptable in today's market. And Square Enix have found this out the hard way.
True enough, haha but I'd like to hope that my investment wasn't wasted in the long run. Im glad they got the much needed wake up though.
I have a shelf full of bad MMO 'investments' . FFXIV would just be another box on the shelf. and most probably won't be the last.
I really wanted to like this game. But it was kind of like going to a really nice restaurant and being served good food but then only being supplied chopsticks to eat it with.
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Wednesday, 16th December 2009 at 2:07 pm
Final Fantasy XIV a serious WoW rival, says Wada
“The basic model hasn't changed,” he said. “It's a monthly flat rate service with additional charges for items that users want to buy".
“For FFXI we didn't initially set up the item transaction model that well – although the demand for it was high. We thought that it would be a benefit for users, but that we wouldn't be able to charge.
“We soon learnt that there are a lot of people who want that kind of model, so we would like to introduce more pay-as-you-use items into the game. But there were too few items in FFXI – however we don't want to take it to the other extreme entirely for FFXIV.
http://www.develop-online.net/news/33514/Final-Fantasy-XIV-a-serious-WoW-rival-says-Wada
Wasn't an insult, guy. Just a fact. Just because you see a cash shop in the future doesn't mean it will happen. What i meant by ms.cleo is that you're full of shit just like her, and will share the same fate as her(where is she now?). The game will always be fail to you, and who are you? Just because it's fail to you doesn't mean its fail. You laugh at the annoucement, which doesn't surprise me. That is generally what immature individuals do when someone is attempting to present something serious. They take it as a joke. To be honest, thats why i liked FFXI because it weeded out kids like you, forced you back to WoW. "FFXIV will never be up to par" Says who?? You, and again whom are you? What is so great about the next back of AAA MMOs that we haven't seen already. What you are saying is what people were saying about games that came out before XIV, in comparison to XIV , and look what we "have" with XIV in the current state. So all your comments are moot, and ignorant. Now press that report button my post.
No, I was commenting on the guy who said it's a disaster that they took action this way. How, I have no idea. It's like some people are still stuck in September. The past can't be changed no matter what they do or don't do, but this move was good for the future. Even if the game still most likely won't become successful this was still a good thing.
The perspective is important.
Items and in-game items are two diff things. Items - Authenticators, Crystia (for payments), etc. Ingame items - You know what those are.
I have been watching the development of FFXIV for over the last year and really steered clear of it after reading so many of the reactions during the beta.
My question is to any current players, is this game worth a try. It looks like I could purchase FFXIV and anticipate at least 2 to 3 free months of play.
Im not a huge fan of the FF series but I have played numerous console FF and really enjoyed them. I played FFXI for about a month. I did enjoy it a bit but found it very difficult to find groups all the time and really grinding leveling.
Thanks
Still the same attitude problem? and who are you exactly? whatever you stated is a an OPINION not a FACT. A lot of unforseen things have happened during last 3 months who can say with absolutely surety that item shop is completely out of picture. Why insult others for giving their opinion?
Also' weeding out' is working great for you people isn't it? i guess you weeded out way too many players so much that FFXIV hardly got any players left to even charge a respectable amount of monthly fee. And i had to laugh at you if you thought there were no kids in FFXI.
Kids playing video games? no way.
If i have learned anything from last 5 years, MMO's don't get a second chance. After the first impressions they are lost in sea of mediocrity forever. STO, Vanguard, AOC, WAR for few examples.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Hmmm , I took a reflective moment just now. Because I really do have to appreciate the kahoknees(sp) it too SE to write that up and release it to the MMO public, knowing how we'd rip, tear and chew it up. So yah , I totally agree about perspective, when it comes to this action on the part of SE, and action in general of late from SE.
Even if I don't act like it, I am with you in hoping that SE continues making these strides. I only just learnt that you aren't playing FF14 now. So you don't have to be frustrated while waiting for the periodic updates. hehe Lucky you :P
I love snails.
I love every kinda snail.
I just want to hug them all, but I cant.
Cant hug every snail.
You know, as much as I am frustrated by the game. I still like my little security token on my keychain, and if the game got a better party system and picked up for me, I'd probably buy a plush toy- what!? Don't question me.
I love snails.
I love every kinda snail.
I just want to hug them all, but I cant.
Cant hug every snail.
Is that the best insult you could come up with? LOL. It's not that far off to think the game has a serious cash shop in it's future, that or it will get shut down. They can only go so long without any money coming in before they have to remedy it with a serious money making plan or admit defeat.
Ms.Cleo...HA! I prefer Devil's Advocate or Doomsayer hehe.
Wasn't an insult, guy. Just a fact. Just because you see a cash shop in the future doesn't mean it will happen. What i meant by ms.cleo is that you're full of shit just like her, and will share the same fate as her(where is she now?). The game will always be fail to you, and who are you? Just because it's fail to you doesn't mean its fail. You laugh at the annoucement, which doesn't surprise me. That is generally what immature individuals do when someone is attempting to present something serious. They take it as a joke. To be honest, thats why i liked FFXI because it weeded out kids like you, forced you back to WoW. "FFXIV will never be up to par" Says who?? You, and again whom are you? What is so great about the next back of AAA MMOs that we haven't seen already. What you are saying is what people were saying about games that came out before XIV, in comparison to XIV , and look what we "have" with XIV in the current state. So all your comments are moot, and ignorant. Now press that report button my post.
Still the same attitude problem? and who are you exactly? whatever you stated is a an OPINION not a FACT. A lot of unforseen things have happebned during last 3 months who can say with absolutely surety that item shop is completely out of picture. Why insult others for giving their opinion?
Also' weeding out' is working great for you people isn't it? i guess you weeded out way too many players so much that FFXIV hardly got any players left to even charge a respectable amount of monthly fee. And i had to laugh at you if you thought there were no kids in FFXI.
Kids playing video games? no way.
If i have learned anything from last 5 years, MMO's don't get a second chance. After the first impressions they are lost in sea of mediocrity forever. STO, Vanguard, AOC, WAR for few examples.
Only 5 years?? You have a lot to learn my young padawan. Sounds like your sea of mediocrity is fill with hypocrity being you spent nearly 500 hrs on one of the games you just named. As well as ffxiv in general has a big name behind it to attract generally non mmo gamers. Ffxi doesn't need additional chances, it has its series behind it. Can you described that figure hardly any with facts. There is a difference between opinions and false facts, which there are more false facts coming from the otherside vs opinions.Square Enix botches the synthesis!
I hope they're good at repairing. =
It will take more than a cotton fent to repair I'm afraid. I've been logging in somewhat regularly since the Nov patch, certainly more than I did a month ago when I hardly played at all, and the numbers just feel down everywhere I go.
They intended to have a P2P game, but it's been like a B2P, which of course is great for the people who are still running around Eorzea. I wonder if they will ultimately drop the P2P model for this, given the problems there are and now an additional delay for the PS3. It would be great though if the game was eventually improved to the point where enough people will happily pay monthly for it, because that would say something. Until then, good luck FFXIV.
pie.
Yah I hope it never goes f2p. Please god, tell me SE is too good for that bollocks. Selling trinkets and accesories is cool beans, but item shop mall. Thats when you know ur game is a cheap piece o'garbage. When you start charging people for a hairstyle, or a pony. A beast of a game can stand to charge a monthly fee.
I challenge SE to pull an EVE and make a great game. I think it's in them to do.
I love snails.
I love every kinda snail.
I just want to hug them all, but I cant.
Cant hug every snail.
So you can't read either? i see. When you are too busy insulting others reading can be hard. When i said MMO's don't get a second chance i wasn't talking about me but player population in general. And it is true regardless of how many hours i spent in a game or if i think this game now deservers a second chance. i am not majority and majority rules in future of MMOS.
Yeah FFXIV got a big name and series behind it, how is it working out for it? by your logic since FFXIV has a big name behind it everything should have been fine and dandy. And please learn what fact means. Saying FFXIV will never have a 'item shop' is an opinion not a FACT. Pick up a dictionary maybe?
As far as my 5 years experince is concerned. Some of the major setbacks have happened during past 5 years.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
As someone who bought this game with high regards. Who played it for a day or so before getting hit with the "Uh, I think I got ripped off..." feeling....
I hope the new management can take the ideas of the game and make them 'good'. I don't want everything to change to be more like XI or more like WoW or even more like UO.
Keep their systems, tighten them up. Give more context to the world other than a broken progression system and those stupid leves.
That's all they'd have to fix. Make combat responsive, give a bit more meaning to the stats. ADD A UNIQUE RACE or two.
I don't want a pretty FFXI, I want an immersive FFXIV.
PS: I have no problem with FFXIV going B2P with an item mall. They can take a look at Guild Wars and add content riddled mini expansions and charge 12 bucks or so I'm sold.
You guys shouldn't be arguing, you both seem like decent fellows. Were brothers in arms here guys. MMO lovers just wanting the bang for our buck from the developers, you know?
I think FF14 will have a strong and steady population through the changes they intend to implement. I dont think anyone already playing is going to leave because it goes free. The "buy to play" will only help them gain players. People love free, and if they know its a AAA studio game that isnt supposed to be free they will find reason enough to try it out.
Then they will have a big "release" of the game for PS3, once its release ready. And people will say "hey ima give that another try". SE will time the release of the PS3 version when there is a lull in the MMO universe, so people will be in a state of mind where they can see themselves trying out FF14. With hard work and as long as they fix the f-ing problems I can see FF14 sitting stable around 300k np.
I think where Hyan is talking about FF14 pulling an EVE is interesting as well. Because unlike FF11 graphics won't hold this game back a few years from now when it is in working order. So assuming its a good game in the future, it'll be a game people can pick up for either their pc or ps3 based on word of mouth . That console edge will be really good for them as well. I think they also have it ready for Xbox, should they figure stuff out with Microsoft one day down the line it could be sold for that system. If they pull off the company feature and besieged based stuff and all the stuff they have planned; I think its possible that can continue to have moments in the spotlight, such as the ps3 release and expansion releases, that draw potential players in.
That being said, I really want to be able to party grind in this game. rawr!
I love snails.
I love every kinda snail.
I just want to hug them all, but I cant.
Cant hug every snail.
and Eve right?
I love snails.
I love every kinda snail.
I just want to hug them all, but I cant.
Cant hug every snail.
Give it 2 or 3 months at least.
My theme song.
I think Darkfall (while doing quite well ATM) still has a ways to go, but EVE is a good example.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Despite my negative outlook on the future of the game, I hope am wrong for the sake of the game and the players who enjoy it. I don't enjoy the game in the least, but I don't hate it. But I am looking at what is happening aling with what is going on in the MMO industry and I can't help, but think they've really humped the bunk with the handling of the development and management of the game. The games people mention in the past as having had successful intitial launches and subsequent fast acting fallouts and then have slowly improved and gained solid enough footholds are true enough scenarios, but those games were mainly competing with each other and WoW and did not face as much competition as FFXIV does now and will in the months to come. The extended free time is a postitive move for the playerbase and although it is surprising to see a developer do that is was almost a necessity.
It's disappointing that their only tactic they could come up with was to fire everyone and bleed staff off of one game in order to try and save face with their new game. Can't be good for FFXI. Hopefully it works for FFXIV.
If it was, then we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
This should have been a no-brainer. MMO development has come leaps and bounds since FFXI was released; not all concepts have worked, but the tools and inspiration for what can make a great MMO are out there. And Square Enix seem to have missed everything new and dynamic about the growing MMO industry and developed FFXIV in a bubble. And the end result was a nice graphics engine with some rudimentary gameplay elements tacked on. And that just isn't acceptable in today's market. And Square Enix have found this out the hard way.
Lets cut out the baiting guys. Get back on topic.
True enough, haha but I'd like to hope that my investment wasn't wasted in the long run. Im glad they got the much needed wake up though.
I love snails.
I love every kinda snail.
I just want to hug them all, but I cant.
Cant hug every snail.
I hope so for the sake of the people who bought it hoping to enjoy it, but were seriously disappointed. The people who like it now.. I don't know what's wrong with them. But hopefully they won't feel alienated when that box they're playing in actually gets some sand in it.
On that last point it's probably not that big of a deal. Japanese video games still have that 1980s business structure to them like US banks do. It's a reshuffle to make people idly watching think there's some major restructuring going on. Here in the US it would be a bigger deal because a lot of game companies, no matter how big or small, like to have that 'we're working out of our garage' indy structure in tact.
It took EVE 5+ years to make all those changes. How can we compare FFXIV to follow same path of success? it was very different times and moreover EVE was unique and hardly had any competition in sci-fi genre.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I have a shelf full of bad MMO 'investments' . FFXIV would just be another box on the shelf. and most probably won't be the last.
I really wanted to like this game. But it was kind of like going to a really nice restaurant and being served good food but then only being supplied chopsticks to eat it with.
"You will use chopsticks and you will like it"!
"But I ordered a steak"
"You no like it, you go McDonalds"!!