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And for 100000 time, WoW wasn't original either, it copied EQ, AC, AO and all other MMOs before it. It just how the genre works. RTSes are all similar, FPSes are all similar, and so are MMOs, don't see why people suddenly expect some major revelation that will change everything we know about the world... It comes with the territory.
To all those people thatw ill jump on saying Eve does things differently - big news - it doesn't. The quests in Eve are exactly the same as everywhere else, the combat is exactly the same, the only thing that makes Eve look different is the fact the world is driven by players.
The core of actual game mechanics are persistant across the board. Whenever it is levels or skillpoints, linear or open ended world, the progression and quest design remains identical in its philosophy.
If people really feel so burned out on that, they should lay off MMOs for a longer while because i can assure you neither ToR nor GW2 will do things that much differently. Sure, minor improvements here and there, those happen all the times, but in the end it will be the same things, always. FPSes didnt evolve that muchs ince Wolfenstein3d, RTSes didnt evolve beyond what was in Dune2 and eco sims are still the same eco sims, it's how the genres work. Over last 15 or so years there was no game that would actually redefine a genre in gaming.
Opinions vary. Games have tried to copy WOWs model whether you want to beleive it or not. I know WOW took alot of things from other games as well. I m stating, games basically following the same model as WOW won t succeed. Rift is fairly smooth, sure, but that doesn t make it an exciting game for everyone. Yes Blizzard had a big fanbase, and yes it helped in the success of WOW, but it still stands, you can compete with WOW, now or for a long time. As far as quests go, you can make them more exciting, they threw Rifts in there to hide the fact they re the same boring, collect this, kill this, deliver this quests. Pvp, you re so wrong on. Many games have far superior pvp then WOW, yet, Rift copied the formula. Other posters said WOW doesn t have world pvp, sure maybe not as much now, but it s there. Rift s world pvp is as pointless as WOWs. As far as talent trees go, Rifts is similar to a point as WOWs, I know you can t make a PLD/WAR/DK and I ll give credit to Rift for this, but the trees themselves , you spend this, this opens up etc, etc. All these trees do is make for some major nerfing down the road. Yes games have copied WOW, and yes WOW copied other games previous to it, but I m simply saying Rift copies WOW, which is the MMO giant, in so many ways, it s not even funny. Rift is, IMO, a souless, boring game with no lasting appeal.
I think you should copy/post this into every Rift thread on these boards.
+1 sir
Have you actually played the open world PvP in the 30+ contested zones full of territorial control and objectives?
As I said, I have my opinions, you have yours. I m not the only one that feels this way as you can see from many other posters then me saying the same thing.
Well why should I or anyone else trust your opinion on the open world PvP in Rift if you have not participated in any open world PvP in Rift?
My only opinion on the open world PvP in Rift is not from experience with it but rather in reading about the kinds of objectives and territorial capture/control they have in the 30+ zones.
Since I have no experience actually playing these systems, I feel my opinion on them should carry very little weight.
Yeah i played it,ermm just remind me of all these objectives and terriotorial control and the rewards you get for all this objectives and territorial control.
Perhaps i was in the wrong zones?
The Ancient Wardstones are suppose to accomplish this goal.
From what I have read, they were not easy to find and did not provide much incentive for capturing/controlling in this Beta phase. It was easier to "farm points" in the Warfronts.
As this was the first Beta phase with them in the game, I'd expect much revisioning and updating before and during open beta and launch.
If not, world PvP WILL be pointless and dominated by Warfronts aka Battlegrounds aka Skirmishes which in my opinion does NOT a good PvP game make.
See, now that's more constructive and research/fact based arguing!
I hate to say it...but after three beta's I was kind of bored with the game (been in since beta 3). I got a cleric (shaman/justicar/sent) to level 30 and got a mage and a rogue to level 25ish. It's possible I was bored because I kept repeating the same content over and over again to try to find a calling I liked. I didn't even play this last beta. I have already preordered the game and I am hoping that once the game goes live it will be a tad less boring. Regardless, if I can get three months out of this game it's money well spent IMO.
lets create a grouping system where all you have to do is press a button and wait, and once youre grouped you never actually talk, you have zero accountability for your actions. lets create expansions that do nothing other than add to an exsisting world. have more quests about going to kill xyz and bring back xyz, lets add flying mounts, then lets add flying mounts everywhere after we completely destroy the world.
since we are to lazy to actually create anything new lets just go under water and rename areas so we dont have to make new areas. lets make a game based on daily quests and faction grinding and call it next gen.
on top of all that lets make everyone look the same dress the same and sound the same.
bored yet?
That's my point,the AWS were pointless and farming points in warfronts is ermmm...FARMING...Bboring and repeatative.
Right now this game offers nothing to open world PVP that can even come close to making it worth it.
EX DAOC players would not be looking at this game for a reminder of the glory days lost,you have to look towards GW2 for that.
And sorry to say but WOW offers better in PVP, sad but true.
I was actually being sarcastic when i said: "perhaps i was in the wrong zone" lol
If Trion really are the dv team that listen to the people then make a FFA server with item looting and no safe zones at all,after level 10 you are flagged permantly for PVP.
Get rid of warfronts and have meaningful objectives in the open world.
this is so true and exactly what I posted a while back (for which I was flamed and reported to death for).
add to this that the quests are exactly the same (albeit with different shaped pixels to be led to by your mini map in order to kill) and the challenge level hasnt risen at all (unlike, say, a game like GW that gets comparitively harder as you play through it, so you have to learn to play better to beat it), and that really it's everything the same but wth different zones (in other words they change the wallpaper on your virtual knitting simulator) and it all gets really tedious.
most of the folks frothing about the game have been 1 beta people... which says something imo.
Try doing some of Kains hunts. They are alot of fun. You can purchase hunting supplies off the hunting merchants. Successfully complete 5 hunt quests and complete the hunt quest for 5000 notoriety(plus 250 or 500 for the individual hunts). They are repeatable and there are roughly 10 rare beasts to hunt in the zone. I've killed all but the rock crusher guy
After hitting 35 on my rogue and skilling butchering, mining, and outfitting to the current max along with weaponsmith on my alt I started running out of things to do. Until they open up more areas thats just the way its going to be.
I play on a PVP server, so did alot of that as well.
Alright no reason people should be posting they don't like the game more then a few times. Unless their EQ clone, theme park of a game they are currently playing is just as bad.
Leveling is how the complexity of a class can evolve over time, with out overwhelming people with 20 skills at once. It's also the constant reward of positive re-enforcement that is the model of MMORPGs . Also, don't forget, it also offers people the reward of being able to crush people of a lower level, regardless of skill. (Why else do you think most MMOs with any PvP element give higher level characters huge bonuses beyond abilities, character skills and armor when fighting lower level characters? Because some people would have a hissy fit if a character 6 levels lower than them could beat them because they faced a more skilled player).
I'm all for something completely different, but MMOs cost a ton of money and no one is going to invenst $30Million+ in a game that tries something completely new for the genre. Unfortunately.
A couple companies might have the resources to try it, but some design team would have to have a concept that would blow everyone's socks off and the executives would have to be willing to risk their jobs approving it.
I at least appreciate that Rift tries to put some spin on the quests to provide some variety. Many MMOs don't even try. Also, remember that Dungeons, Rifts and Warfronts all provide XP alternatives for people who want a break from leveling via quests or mob grind. Most games don't have much in the way of alternatives.
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It has been brought up before. It's not that they dislike the game so much they feel like posting it over and over. It's more that they are provoked by those that defend it. That's the real reason why they are regulars here in the Rift section
That and the fact we found a game to play while they are still waiting for the next big thing. It's like you got what you wanted for christmas while they got zip. They have to tell you, your present sucks to feel better about it.
Who cares how it was at launch? Rift is not competing with it as it was when it launched. Rift is competing with it as it is now.
Why are you even bringing up WoW into this?
Would someone please point me in the direction of the nearest EQ clone? Because I would gladly pay a lifetime sub if that's the case.
friend i am an EQ vet and although the basics are the same, EQ and wow are worlds appart. Much slower combat, downtime, death penaltys, questing is probably the smallest part of EQ.....
Now wow on the other hand was, Fast combat, no downtime, no death penaltys, millions of quests...well pretty much the game is made on questing.
Now rift, fast combat, no downtime, no death penaltys to speak of, millions of quests, game is pretty much made up of quests.
In no way do i think wow made the genre and i cant see where i said that, all i said is what is my opinion...Rift is based on wow with a little war added in. not saying its a bad thing not saying it's a good thing. Just saying what i see after 6 beta's thats all.
I think you are misreading what people are saying. they are saying that the game rift plays much like wow....and it does.
But it doesn't. I've played WoW. I've played Rift. If Rift is "pretty much made up of quests" how did I get from level 18 to 22 not doing a single "normal" quest or PvP?
Frankly, you've not played the game or played the game thinking you HAVE to play it like you do WoW.
Simple you chose to play it differently...doesnt alter the fact that every quest leads to another without a break. Just as a matter of interest anyone else out there who has played the game that thinks rift isnt made primarily as a quest orientated game?
Now if i get a large body of players saying it's not then i have got it wrong! ill admit! But i'm betting even the players that love the game will agree that the game is quest orientated!
Your defending the wrong points friend...i'm not saying this is a bad thing....just that it is for me as i prefer to grind and explore like old EQ....not saying you cant do that in rift either, just that its made up of lots of questing. Heck in the starting area from 1 to 10 there must be close to a hundred quests.
For general info:
Tuor level 21 on defiant side Rogue class went full Marksman.
Oakwynd Guardian side level 21 Rogue class 80% Ranger 20% bard
Oakwynd played last two betas primarily PVPing to test out BG's
Frankly mate ive played it
and ive played it my way. I tried to grind on normal mobs but as everyone knows you dont level much that way...i also didnt get much exp PVPing hence my low level. i also went exploring, but theres not much fluff to be found ( this may be i just havent encountered it yet though )
And just to make things clear. The slow levelling when i PVP and grind was a good thing for me! just wanted more interesting places and dungeons to grind thats all!
if you find one send me a PM please...ill join you!
rift, as far as classes, since you can build your own, is about as close to the orginal EQ1 youre going to get.
gotta call bullshit here, id say a significant drop in power a death penalty, the more you die the weaker you become. its better than, my armors broke. also a lot of the down time issue can be put toward the fact that its beta and trion wanted you to go play. i bet you they are going to slow down invasions rifts and xp come live. this was a beta. they wanted as many people as they could muster to test the stress of the servers.
even though they didnt have a strict NDA it was still a closed beta, and even in beta 1 this was an amazing, polished game. more polished than any game out currently, or recently. I lag less in this game than anything out currently, its smoother, plays better, looks better, just is better than ANY mmo out.
I got bored too. At level 32, on the last day of Beta 6, I actually fell asleep at a vendor & really didn't bother playing the final day.
I had started a necro mage to get away from the usual warrior grinds, but now my mage is a grind fest too.
The Rifts were cool at 1st, but now they are just freaken annoying. The zones are very poor. Seems like they just scattered objects on a map randomly. & Basically, if you turn your graphics all the way down, the game is pretty much **** without the graphics as a crutch.
Then, the soul system really is a great idea, but you end up with warriors with pets, shooten fireballs, rogues tanking; it's just bizarre. In PVP, you never even know what in the world you're fighting.
It's an above average game, but no way am I paying $50.00. No way