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I'm Bored: RIFT's Major Flaw from a RIFT Supporter
Okay, so I played headstart and I was so impressed with the polish and general gameplay that I canceled my WoW account. I was ready for a new world to explore and RIFT offered this. So why is it I'm bored?
The lack of replayability.
So I began headstart as a Guardian. This is because I like the look of their races and the areas they quest in better. I rolled a Warrior and chose Champion as my main soul. I tried various other DPS soul combinations in the Warrior calling and found Champion to best fit my playstyle. I leveled him up to 27, which I accomplished over a week ago and got bored with all the questing. As soon as I turned in one quest, hoping to adventure to a new part of the zone, I'd receive 5 more freaking quests to go back to the same part of the zone to see the same scenery and kill similar bad guys. I mixed up questing with rifts, warfronts, and dungeons when I could, but the warfronts aren't very fun, the rifts get old, and I don't want to overdue dungeons in order to avoid grinding them, plus I'll want them to remain fun when I repeat them on harder modes later. So because I was bored with questing, I decided to try different callings.
So as I was trying different callings, I found it hard to press on or even log in to experience the new callings further than lvl 11-12, because I was tired of doing the same quests over and over again, many of them I've done during open beta to test the game. So I tried playing Defiant to give myself an alternate quest line, but I just don't enjoy the scenery, so I can't stick with it.
So here I am 2-3 weeks into the game and I'm finding it hard to log in, because all I want to do is try out the different souls to find a combination that just sucks me in, but I can't even play them long enough to get sucked in because redoing the same quests bores me to tears, and rifts aren't frequent enough to level up off of, or they're so spread apart that I can't reach them in time, since I can't afford a mount. I also thought of doing warfronts to help break up doing the same old quests, but I'm so uncompetitive at my level that it's just not fun.
It makes me think back on my days playing DAoC, SWG, and WAR, where leveling up a new class was fun, despite leveling up in the same areas. In DAoC, I may grind in the same area, but classes were so fun to play, and the group experience was so much fun with the conversations during dowtimes and how smooth and addicting cooperative group play was with tanking, crowd control, healing, and dpsing purple mobs that'll destroy you 1v1 that I had a blast anyways. SWG for the same reason, and WAR because I could que up for scenarios at lvl 1 and be viable due to the PvP buff you got to make you last longer in fights.
I think what RIFT needs is alternate quest lines for you to quest through when you reroll and a couple warfronts for lvls 1-10 with the PvP buff WAR gives, so that you live long enough to be viable, despite only having a limited amount of abilities.
Keep in mind, that I'm a player trying to test different support roles so that I can offer something for group play, which I'm most interested in. So losing me is losing 1 less player willing to play a soul combination that's rare to find among the community of Warrior/Cleric/Rogue/Mage DPSers.
For those playing since headstart, how are you all holding up?
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Oh man you and I are in the exact same boat. I would turn in a quest hoping to get to go somewhere new, then I'd have to go back and kill 10 more of something else that looked IDENTICAL. I know questing is essentially directed grinding but holy hell this game is as transparent as ever.
There will be people who stay, but expect to see a lot of this.
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I wonder if this is the first of many in upcoming months?
Do you think rift will have large dropoffs similar to Aion had several months after release?
That's the main reason I cancelled the preorder.
Better to be crazy, provided you know what sane is...
Who can really say without many good MMO competitors out there. Truth is, RIFT is new, and everything else is old and played out by most of us. So RIFT is the only game offering a new world to explore while also being polished enough to play without getting frustrated with technical problems, and bugs. So for many of us, we face either going back to a game that we're already tired of, quitting MMO's until a new release, or sticking with RIFT until we complete all of the content.
Unfortunately, in order to complete all the content, a players best bet is to NOT reroll and just push through all the quests and take part in rift invasions and dungeons as they become available.
You cancelled your preorder because there was a lack of starter areas? Wait, am I missing something?
He could have done it during one of the betas. The open beta certainly solidified my choice of not wanting to buy the game.
This happens in every MMO. And I'm talking about the whole multiple quests in the same area thing. Quest chains, it pretty much a staple of every MMO in recent memory. Again, I must be missing something here.
The problem isn't that there's quest chains. The problem is their transition. The story is fine, and I read the quests, but when you're sent to the same area not twice, but three or more times to kill mobs that you were killing anyways to kill mobs that were part of the last quests objective, it wears on you. By the third zone, I was fed up with it.
Basically this. At least WoW had a nice flow when it came to questing. Hell, most MMOs do. This doesn't. Questing ISN'T fun here like it is in other MMOs. Also, don't say "well go do something else" because I like questing, honestly. So its just a feature that I hoped for that is lackluster in this game.
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I've played the starter zones as a defiant 4 times. I've never been sent to the same areas more than twice for anything unless it involved the rift story quests. They were never to kill the same mobs that I previously killed, and the quest actually made sense if you read it. And in most cases, it wasn't exactly the same areas. So my point still stands. Either you are an incredibly impatient person or you're looking for a sandbox MMO. As this happened in WoW and other games like it in every single zone, starting area, dungeon, or anything instanced. I'm not sure how to help you here. This is pretty much expected across the MMO genre as normal.
Can never please everyone.
Yeah, I guess so. Quests in Northrend, and 1-60 post Cataclsym were fun enough that I wouldn't have gotten bored my first time through as long as I chose the right class for me. However, WoW suffers the same replayability problem as RIFT, except due to WoW's age, it has undergone some development to where you can que up for BG"s at lvl 10 and dungeons at lvl 15. The BG bracket is every 5 levels, so you don't get frustrated by being useless, and there are enough dungeons to rotate through, that by the time you get tired of running them all, you're already to the next batch of dungeons.
Again, WoW has the advantage of several years of development, so I'm not faulting RIFT for not having similar features or quantity of content, but that doesn't really change the fact that at the moment, I find it hard to log in to reach new content in RIFT. Just the thought of spending the next several days to a week getting back to where I was on my headstart character is depressing.
Yeah, the tutorial area, and the first zone isn't so bad quest-wise. But The second zone begins this and the third zone gets worse. The problem is that when you reroll, you have to redo all the content. I'm a patient person, but doing the same butt load of quests in the first two areas gets boring quick.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4109115#4109115
So you knew this back on 2/28 and predicted it.
Have you bothered to take a break or have you been trying to rush? I have been pacing myself and I am perfectly happy.
http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?124420-I-m-Bored-RIFT-s-Major-Flaw-from-a-RIFT-Supporter/page2
""""""Same here. I wanted something new to play until SWTOR releases. I'm a huge Bioware fan, since they haven't released a game I didn't have fun in yet, and I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan.""""""
^ and you wonder why you are bored seriously? You say this after Pax just released a 2min vid that has every SWToR fan jizzin themselves?
I posted this thread in the RIFT forums after posting it here, since I like chatting with both RIFT players and non-RIFT players. Many people who follow the RIFT forums here aren't current subscribers, so they can't comment on the official forums.
If you're going to insult or doubt the ability to get a mount early on, then I challenge you to reroll a character with me on a server of your choosing, and get a mount by lvl 11. The only time I die, which is rarely, is during some rifts where I either don't get any heals, or get ganked by a much higher level mob. I don't spend any of my coin on anything, and I've been doing all the quests.
So simply put, if I want to level off of rifts alone, I can't at lower levels due to not being able to get to a rift on time due to not owning a mount. Now by level 20, I should be able to afford a mount, but by then I'm already bored of doing the same quests again. You follow now?
You hit it right on the head there. OP went in planning on being bored. He went in knowning in advance he would be bored in a couple of weeks. He went in knowing this wasn't for him. And now, he comes here and creates multiple threads to state that he was right, his plan has worked, he made himself get bored with Rift just like he said he would. And we should really care why?
This is some very important information...
This could be something as simple as you not being able to fully enjoy and immerse yourself in a game because you're waiting for something else. Due to the fact that you're waiting for another title, you may find it a waste of your time to even try. After all, you'll be jumping ship when SWTOR comes out anyways.
I play about 3 hours a day, and only about 1 hour at a time. SWTOR doesn't release for another year probably, so I don't even follow the press releases. I haven't read anything really SWTOR related in over 9 months. I prefer not to tease myself by getting hyped up over a game that won't release forever from now.
By the time you are introduced to Meridian, you are about level 14-15. I had enough money to purchase two mounts on my first character.
You say you played Beta huh?
And yet you didnt know that all mounts, ALL of them originally required you to be level 20 or over to purchase them. But, the WoW bois screamed bloody murder that they NEEDED thier mounts earlier. So Trion removed the level requirements. Fact stated by them is 'if you can get to them, and afford them, you can have them at any level'. But fact remains, the cost is based on what you should have by level 20, not level 11. It never was intended to be at level 11.
Sorry I'm still amazed that someone who says they played in BETA didnt know this already. Really?
EDIT: Oh and the other guy here is right, by the time your even introduced to Merdian you should be 14 or 15 anyway. The only reason/way you would get to Meridian is if you purposely skipped quests and ran past them to get to Meridian early. If you played as much as you say you have you would know this too. To honestly expect to get a mount that early, knowing your pushing past content in order to get there faster, is just rediculous.
Same with your complaint on the rifts - at level 11 you're at the VERY bottom of what they spawn at (no the 3 death rifts at the cove are not real rifts). You thinking you should be able to just jump in to lvl 11-20 rifts at 11 and be da' man, yeah come on.
Yeah i got sucked in to Rift due to the class system which i loved tinkering around with. Unfortunantly once i had everything figured out i didnt want to play anymore as questing is boring as hell.
Therefore it is back to EVE online for me. God i love EVE i dont know why I ever leave.
Playing: PO, EVE
Waiting for: WoD
Favourite MMOs: VG, EVE, FE and DDO
Any person who expresses rage and loathing for an MMO is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.
Completely false information. 2.5 plat is easily attainable by the time you reach Meridian or Sanctum via quest.
Actually, I didn't think I'd get bored for 2-3 months, which is how long I expected it'd take to complete all of the content in RIFT. I'm not some wet behind the ears gamer. I'm 30 years old, have been playing MMO's since 2002, and have played every major release among other smaller ones. I'm a pretty good judge on how long a game should hold my interest. I also don't make a lot of money at the moment, so I don't go wasting $50 on a game, which is what it is if I was planning on getting bored quickly as you think I did. I go in excited, eager to explore a new world and classes, but I grew bored with this game faster than I expected.
So there's no reason to be so hateful. You seem to be ignoring the positive things I've said, and focus on everything else in your attempt to discredit me for your own reasons.
I said Open Beta, not Beta, and I didn't even follow this game until Open Beta was released due to being the type that doesn't want to get all excited over a game that won't release until an undisclosed time. What does any of this have to do with my OP though and the issue of replayability?
See my edit above - you are 100% correct, if you quest to Meridian or Sanctum it is easily doable yes. Him saying he got there at level 11 and expected ot have it is not doable, nor intended. You normally are NOT in Meridian or Santum until about 14-15 if you quest there. Just as you stated earlier. And no, no matter what you do short of playing the AH, you will not have 2.5p on a fresh level 11 character. Quest rewards and junk sales to vendors will not produce that in 4 levels alone. You get out of the tutorial zone at level 6-7 with less than 20g on you normally. If you train your skills as you go up, as you should, there is no way you will have 2.5p on you by level 11. Level 14-15 sure, but not 11.