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The put your money where your hype is poll: GW2 vs. SWTOR vs. WOW
DarkPony
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There must be terrible war between mmorpgs in the near future V_V
GW2 and SWTOR, pretty much the biggest attempts at competing with WOW's domination of the mmorpg market are looming on the horizon.
What will the eventual outcome of the battle be? (At the time when all three are long since released).
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Edit: I screwed up. Please vote in my second post, it has more options 
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Where is the option for, the world ends in 2012 so it won't matta!?
Where is the all 3 will be successful option?
I think both SWTOR and GW2 will be quite successful. Whether any of them will be able to become the new market leader, I don't know. Blizzard have this talent of keeping their games going for ages. And by going on I mean super popular.
My personal opinion is that Blizzard have a huge competitive advantage and for some unknown reason it has been sustained for ages.
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there should be an option for all three to exist equally. which is a huge win for gamers because we can finally move into a new generation of mmos that arent all clamoring for the lion's share.
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This is what I wanted to vot for.
Guild Wars 2's 50 minutes game play video:
http://n4g.com/news/592585/guild-wars-2-50-minutes-of-pure-gameplay
Everything We Know about GW2:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287180/page/1
I vote all three will flourish as well. The doom and gloom battle for top mmo needs to die quickly. I see nothing wrong with a market that mimics the movies industry...a little something for everyone.
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I won't be a cash cow anymore. I want to play something with a unique setting, with intelligent design and something that excercises the player's brain. Now, this isn't for everyone. It's not a main stream game.
So to add my 2 bits to this discussion: neither. I think GW2 will get the more players by far, but money retention wise they will be equal because ToR will be a sub game.
The big winner though will be Rift, when everyone realizes both these games can't compete with it's polish and end game content.
WoW still be there for the the casual.
Gw2 competes with itself since its buy once, care later.
SW:TOR hmm, i will not say fail, i say its gonna be like Star Trek Online, with BioWare bending over for EA they will end up a half assed, not ready, game with a P2P model AND DLC´s SOO they will have a playerbase of fanatics of Star Wars fanbots, playing a game that barelly resembles Star Wars, that let BioWare milk cash from them as they please.
In the end, All of them will be running happy with they playerbases.
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WoW will survive like it always has. Whether it will emerge unscathed or not I cannot say, but it will survive.
Guild Wars . . . may get a top position, and s table spot on the top 10.
SWToR, I feel, will clutch onto the bottom-to-mid rungs of the top MMO ladder nd hang there.
But really, no one can say for sure.
I hate to say this, but the big LOSER is going to be LOTRO. I enjoy LOTRO, and play every day; but, in my opinion, it is going nowhere. The upcoming Update 2 does add a new raid and a few new smaller instances. However, it is just another case of grind for better gear so you can be ready for the next raid. Unfortunately, I do not see how they can get out of this formula before they get to Mordor. While I enjoy the game, people are going to leave to try out any new game. I fully expect GW2 to rule the roost when the dust settles. It will again be B2P; which has shown to be a winnning formula for GW1. These players are going to come from somewhere, and I, hesitantly and remorsefully, predict that they will mostly come from LOTRO.
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With the knowledge we have these days, I'd say they'll share the market.
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NO. I WILL NOT. That second vote thingy is just too much effort to do.
The hype for GW1 was large, certainly not of the scale of GW2 but a lot of people said the same thing before GW1 launched.
WoW is on its last leg. People haven't left it completely because there has not been a decent enough AAA game released to atract those others.
SW:TOR is being made by one of (if not the best) PC game development studio period, With EA backing, they have the cash flow. This game, with the IP, will become the biggest MMO of all time save they do something incredibly stupid between now and release,
This is my prediction. These are my opinions,.
all 3 will coexist.
swtor for the scifi crowd and GW2 for the fantasy crowd. WoW will retain players who can't find the game they want from Rift, SWTOR, and GW2.
i'll add Rift for the crowd who wants WoW with better graphics, improvements and some new features.
Prediction: GW2 will take a chunk of WoW's playerbase but it won't seem very substantial as WoW has big numbers. With the already large fanbase of GW, it will end up being a major player in the industry, many games will model towards GW2.
SWTOR will have big sales, a drop in numbers, but maintain a steady following.
Blizzard will release new title World of Facebook which will be beaten down horribly by new leader on market - Farmville.
WoW will consistantly hold a solid playerbase of people not wanting to waste all the work they put into their toons.
50 + years from now. Aliens will attempt to make first contact, but will assume the planet is devoid of intelligent life because everyone is at home playing Guild Wars of Warcraft
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You say 'end reign'...but looking at SWTOR in person, it looks very much like WoW with a star wars skin. I think it is more of a continuation.
GW2 looked more fluid and a little more exciting as far as interesting combat. I don't buy into game hype anymore but seeing them live, GW2 looks more fun to me. If your talking about sales...I bet SWTOR will reign in initial box sales just by brand recognition by both the star wars franchise and bioware. Perhaps GW2 will market asia a bit better and come out on top in longterm sales, but I doubt it'll beat out that strong brand familiarity initially, regardless of how good or bad the game is.
Last I checked, GW2 is B2P so why are we comparing it to an MMO?
Not many compare FIFA11 to WoW/Aion/LoTRO/EVE/every-other-MMO because it doesn't make sense.
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I don't know about all the sharing of the market, sometimes it looks like the WOW player base consists of 2/3's of disgruntled players who are sticking with WOW for two reasons: friends and the fact that there hasn't been a really good, long lasting alternative for them yet.
You can blame WOW for a lot of things and despise it for a lot of reasons, but it has always been a very solid game, with truck loads of content for those who like group based progress. In pve and pvp. The world, outdated it may look, is still an example for natural, open and immersive world design (compared to a lot of recent launches at least). And it has done a lot of things 'just right' from a game mechanics point of view.
Still, people are tiring of WOW and expansions being more of the same rather than offering different content. (How often can you raise a level cap without needing more and more artificial game mechanics to speed up the 0-max run? How often do people accept that their gear has been rendered obsolete?). And it sure is aging in graphics. A lot of people want something new and fresh.
So I think that IF Swtor ends up being a game with enough content to please the group progress driven people in pvp and pve and if the storylined leveling ends up being a really rich addition, it might become a very big WOW drainer. It looks like it has enough aspects in which it is similar to WOW, and plenty of aspects to set it apart as well.
GW2 is more of a coexister due to its different revenue model and being aimed for (I think) a slightly different crowd which is very similar to the existing GW1 player base.
I think that, especially if SWTOR delivers, WOW could lose millions of its western subs within a year after the new games launch. GW2 will also be an impact but mainly for the first few months after launch and after that, carving out its own niche of the market.
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Hard to say really. Wow will get a kick in it's western playerbase, I can't imagine it not feeling 2 such games but it should survive fine enough, if nothing else could it keep living just on the Easter subs so Wow will do at least OK.
As for Anet Vs Bioware I am not 100% sure but it seems like ANET are a lot more free to do as they please while Bioware seems to be hard in EAs clutches now (I base this on several people that more or less admitted that EA hurried Bioware with DA2, that is not good news).
I will not count out Bioware yet, they do have made some really fun games in the past and counting them out without trying the game would be stupid but from what I seen is GW" more interesting to most MMO players.
On the other hand can it be that Bioware aim to get their fans into playing the game instead of general MMO players. They do have a few million fans and many of them do not play MMOs so it is possible that Bioware introduces many new players to the genre like Blizzard did before them.
If nothing else than will ANET have the eadvantage of no monthly fees meaning many people can buy it and play it side by side with another game and that means they wont neccesarily be competing with the others. I think GW2 will have most active players at the end, if for no other reason than many GW2 players will also play other games.
But it is still hard to say. Anyone of those 3 companies could make a stupid decision and loose a lot of their potential playerbase, and that includes Blizzard who could make a really bad patch.
Whatever that will happen will it be good to have some new fine games to try. I have a feeling the gap between Wow and it's closest competitor will be smaller after all this if Wow manage to keep the top place.
Why should I care ?
ArchAge >> GW 2 > SW TOR >> WoW.
GW 2 is way hyped but in the end I dont think it will be that different from your standard themepark. SW TOR seems to be a single player, linear, themepark on rails, so I dont see it as anything more than a WoW clone with a Bioware twist.
ArchAge on the other hand may finally give us the first AAA sandbox MMORPG with state of the art visuals. But again same was said about Mortal Online with Unreal 3 engine and what not. But so far I am seeing alot more proffesionality from ArchAge devs.
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And that makes sense to you? Why couldn't B2P be MMO?
I can see the next 6 years being the golden age of themepark mmos. Kinda cool, but kinda sad. Oh well, at least there are games like ArcheAge to look forward to heh.
They all kind of have their own fanbase/group of people to go after :P So i'm betting on the "all 3 co-exist" option, and despite my own personal preffences I don't really see any of them doing badly because of the other.