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I have already answered your question in the second paragrah of my post. But to recap
1. GW is already successful, and GW2 improves massively on that, the reasons i do personally not like GW have been addressed, things like it being set in a persistent world and not heavily instanced like its predecessor, and even things like the ability to jump, in short it addresses a lot of its limitations and is more in-line with other AAA games, and hence, coupled with the F2P model, it is going to be a sure - fire success.
2. Bioware have been making MMOs since day one. Every game they create is a success(more or less). Add that to a Starwars IP = Sure fire success period.
3. Titan/WoW, which ever you want is and/or will be always successful, there is no need to even say anyhting about that.
Ultimately these 3 guys know what they are doing, they have done it before and I can not imagine that they will fail in this iteration of games. Of course things can go wrong but I seriuosly doubt that here.
So this entire speel is due to how I worded that phrase? Wow. Okay. Cool. Good for you.
Thought I'd get some meaningful insights/debates but I guess that was expecting too much.
*golf clap*
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
This got my vote. The only thing that will kill WoW is WoW itself. GW2 looks very promising, and it's a title that I'll be checking out personally. SW:TOR has a strong and loyal following, and Bioware is a developer with a great track record.
In the long run, barring any unforeseen problems with the above games, I think they'll coexist nicely.
They both have well established communities , and SWTOR has the mesh of powerhouses Bioware/LucasArts and the Star Wars brand name . They both need to attract new gamers , and I hope they both succeed , to be honest . A WoW monopoly on MMO's is fail on developers and us as consumers .
1. EA CEO will be fired , that much is certain. And EA will face a major crysis.
Mark my words - and we can return this publically 2012 (or 6 months after launch of SWTOR) , im good for it. Are you ?
2. 200 hours per class , before you are forced to reroll because you have nothing else to do ? This is what you call enough content ? Fallout 3 had 100 hours of gameplay , and its single player game. This is MMO for crying out loud.
3. GW2 has dynamic content. Its not preset theme park on the rails. It changes - virtually it has unlimited content coupled with shadow world PVP where whole servers battle each other on a separate conntinent that is mix of pvp and strategy game. Something larger on the scale than anything ever seen.
Even DE's can grow stale after you've seen all the different stages, which you will. As for world vs world PvP, I'm looking forward to it. But we haven't seen an inch of it yet, which makes me think they haven't gotten it to work that well yet. Until we've seen that it's ingame, it can still change.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Have you seen the "1600 hours of dedicated Class Quest content"? no. So yea, lets wait on that too.
Alt content is not content. Its the same thing, but with a different skin, that developers recicle so ppl pay for longer before they cancel subscription.
SWTOR will not be closed , after all WAR wasnt closed too
But it will be financial disaster. And will never return its investment.
Further more the development will stop , because pushing out full voiced quests on 10 languages will be just too costly for a game with vaning subscriptions.
I can bet with you if you want : that SWTOR will not be financial sucess
And as for 1600 hours of dedicated content for each class ? - voice acted ?
Thats like all RPG games ever made in the west , put into one and multiplied by 8 ... hehe
Hype is indeed strong with you padawan
True, I haven't seen the 1600 hours of Class Quest content, but I have seen Class Quests in action and read the reports of players about how they worked and how different choices in the quests led to different results. So I know that it works. We know little yet about the world vs world pvp, not even a glimpse has been seen of it yet.
Regarding alt content, that's where you're wrong and what makes it different in SWOR from other MMORPG's. People have played the different Classes on the starter Planets, the Class Quest content really is unique for each class. No reskinning at all.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Meh, you're already coming back on your words, I shouldn't be surprised, but it's already gotten boring.
No hype I stick to the known facts and more to objectivity. I wish more people would do that, instead of letting their blind hatred get the better of them and drown their objectivity in their almost feverish, gleeful wish thinking of seeing/hoping that an MMORPG will fail.
As for me, I can truly say that I like to see a GW2, Rift, SWTOR, Xsyon and TSW succeed, even if I won't be playing them all. Can you? Or are you more someone who hopes and loves to see some MMORPG's fail than that you see some MMORPG's succeed?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I was hoping for territorial control and open world PvP. E.g. that players compete over resources, such as PvE mobs, in the open world. Not sure why I hoped it, but since they were going for dynamic content I thought they would spice up the PvP beyond some instanced, arena style PvP.
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What you were hoping for, would happen in the world vs world PvP:
World versus World (Also known as WvW, World PvP, and Casual PvP) is a mode of Player versus Player combat which takes place in the Mists. Worlds, or servers, are randomly matched up against two other worlds. Those match-ups will be rotated every week to match worlds against those of similar strength. The combat is open and features many objectives and roles which players can do; "players may decide to fight alone against a supply caravan, join a single group and capture a mine or create a large alliance to assault one of the numerous fortress that could give an advantage in the zone." The battle is on a large scale, where hundreds of people can fight on each side in week-long battles.
Each opposing world starts out with castles, mercenary camps, mines, lumber mills and villages. Separating the starting zones are neutral zones controlled by no one, also containing fortresses, mines, and villages.
The resources gained from mines and lumber mills are used to rebuild walls, create siege engines, and generally defend the team's fortress.
These territories and control points will confer benefits to the world that controls them; "maybe everyone gets increased energy regeneration or healing rate or enhanced loot drop rate." Players can gain experience and level their character entirely in World PvP. Killing people in World vs World gives the player loot. Guilds will be able to take and hold keeps.[1]
Players are free to come and go from the battle as they please and there is no limit to the number of players entering. Players enter with a character of any level and use skills they have available to that character. Characters can enter as a sidekick which will allow them to play as a higher level character.
World PvP is intended as a casual form of PvP, designed to be a more relaxed bridging point between PvE and the tactics and pressure of structured PvP. It is hoped that players of any level or PvP experience can participate and be useful.
If they can manage to implement it like that, I'd find it very interesting and exciting. So far I'll keep a 'wait and see' attitude, it's been quiet for a very long time now regarding this feature.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_PvP
The combat is open and features many objectives and roles which players can do; "players may decide to fight alone against a supply caravan, join a single group and capture a mine or create a large alliance to assault one of the numerous fortress that could give an advantage in the zone." The battle is on a large scale, where hundreds of people can fight on each side in week-long battles.
Each opposing world starts out with castles, mercenary camps, mines, lumber mills and villages. Separating the starting zones are neutral zones controlled by no one, also containing fortresses, mines, and villages.
The resources gained from mines and lumber mills are used to rebuild walls, create siege engines, and generally defend the team's fortress.
These territories and control points will confer benefits to the world that controls them; "maybe everyone gets increased energy regeneration or healing rate or enhanced loot drop rate." Players can gain experience and level their character entirely in World PvP. Killing people in World vs World gives the player loot. Guilds will be able to take and hold keeps.
Not sure what you are on about, the Mists feel like open world PvP and are rather large, only that they limit griefing by not forcing open pvp upon players who don't want to participate. It also features structured pvp for the e-sport junkies. Epic battles like in DaoC, arena style pvp for the competitive peeps, no PK for the PvE-ers in the rest areas, everyone stays pleased.
EDIT: and ninjaed by Maverick.
There is territorial control and competition over resources (Buildings and literal resources like mines) in the WvWvW.
It's not open world combat, but it's not exactly arena style PvP either.
They're week long battles that support hundreds of players each on 3 sides. It's an interesting middle ground nobody has really ever done before. It's basically like a week long version of DAoC RvR combat, so far as I can tell, with prizes alloted to the 'normal' PvE world depending upon how well a server does doing their PvP.
It has some disadvantages, though I think that limiting it to a week has the one really great advantage that it is long enough to be a pretty decisive battle... you don't carry over crippling disadvantages (Pushed into one corner of the territories) from one week to the next, and you get to fight different servers each week, which leads to some interesting varities, and if the mode proved really popular, some interesting server rivalry (Oh. You're one of THOSE guys.)
edit: Ninjaed by TWO people. Haha, that's what I get for deciding mid-post that it's more important to go snuggle with my wife after she woke up. I have to learn about priorities!
It's boring at work, so I had the time to find & post
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
HAHAHA! Objectivity
1600 gameplay hours for each class! LOL
And
Where did I say SWTOR will be closed in 6 months ?
I said : " EA CEO will be fired , that much is certain. And EA will face a major crysis. "
How did you deduct i said Swtor will be closed is beyond me ?
Or did you want to put words in my mouth to troll and flame me ?
Anyway.
SWTOR has no chance.
It will sell good initially (but much worse than hoped)
After It will be moderatly sucessful.
And this will not be enough to cower 300 million dollar investment. NEVER
/Yoda on
Debunked rumors are strong in this one, hmm? ...
My brand new bloggity blog.
Anyway, it must probably eat you up if SWTOR will prove to be enormously successful after launch, so good luck in those times
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
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there is no sub in gw2, that alone makes this poll a joke.. , there is no archeage or new blizzard mmo
starwars might make a dent in wow pop, that might last anywhere from 2-3 months, once story content is over, since game basicaly is story rpg with monthly fee and no real endgame, or it might have more story than just couple of months or some lasting endgame , and will hold till archeage/blizz next things come out,
apart that neither of those are even similar to wow, fact that they aiming at wow doesnt make them similar, one is f2p after purchase, just like sc2, cod or any other game.. another is story rpg aiming at starwars fans, and providing nothing new to wow pve/pvp players apart story for couple months
Archage is a Sandbox game created by Korean devs, those two things don't yell mass market so I think the game shouldn't be a factor especially when you're talking about SWTOR and WoW.
This is not a game.
Debunked , yea.
By EA representatives ?
Just like all other things EALause said were debunked and later proved to be completely true - and even facts that no outsider could have known.