"Fanboys on a fan-run forum? Who the hell do you think uses the official forums? The haters?"
The answer to that question is: EVERYONE. Not just fanboys.
Yup, everyone. Thats why official forums usually have worse communities.
At least it represents the true community of the game. Fansites represent only fanboys and sugercoated bullshit. Like to be deceive much? Or is it just that a fanboy in you would want sweep the problems under the rug and pretend like everything is OK on your fanboysites.
I don't really understand the OP's gripe to be honest. I'd say in 90% of situations where you ask a question, you're going to get a reply from another player anyway, so why does it matter whether it's on a fansite or an "official" forum? Actual Mods/Devs are about as likely to answer you on GW2Guru as they are to on the official WoW or Rift forums anyway. And, be honest with yourself, if you or any other player has something truly game-changing that the devs need to hear "without the middle man", I doubt you're just going to post it on a forum and hope to be answered >.>. Even on official forums your thread is likely to be buried under the hundreds of "nerf X", "wtb Y", or "how do I Z" threads which, oddly enough, are answered more often by vetran players rather than actual members of the game staff.
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Originally posted by romanator0
Originally posted by Drvanitus
"Fanboys on a fan-run forum? Who the hell do you think uses the official forums? The haters?"
The answer to that question is: EVERYONE. Not just fanboys.
Yup, everyone. Thats why official forums usually have worse communities.
At least it represents the true community of the game. Fansites represent only fanboys and sugercoated bullshit. Like to be deceive much? Or is it just that a fanboy in you would want sweep the problems under the rug and pretend like everything is OK on your fanboysites.
What exactly do you want answered on a forum that "fanboys" won't be able to answer anyway? Wouldn't they be the first people you go to as they know the most about the game?
"Fanboys on a fan-run forum? Who the hell do you think uses the official forums? The haters?"
The answer to that question is: EVERYONE. Not just fanboys.
Yup, everyone. Thats why official forums usually have worse communities.
At least it represents the true community of the game. Fansites represent only fanboys and sugercoated bullshit. Like to be deceive much? Or is it just that a fanboy in you would want sweep the problems under the rug and pretend like everything is OK on your fanboysites.
To each their own, but I actually like the good parts of the community. The majority (like every community) is silent. The most vocal are usually the trolls and haters. Fan sites tend to get the best of the community. If you don't like that, then oh well.
Also, if was going to just sweep all the bad stuff under the rug and ignore it then I wouldn't be on this site.
Where else would you be? Certainly not on official forums lol.
I don't understand why would you be against official forums. Can't we both get what we want? You go and use your fanboy site whatever it might be, with like-minded (and mature? lol) individuals, and I will stick with the cesspool known as official forums. Win win situation?
Where else would you be? Certainly not on official forums lol.
I don't understand why would you be against official forums. Can't we both get what we want? You go and use your fanboy site whatever it might be, with like-minded (and mature? lol) individuals, and I will stick with the cesspool known as official forums. Win win situation?
Where else would you be? Certainly not on official forums lol.
I don't understand why would you be against official forums. Can't we both get what we want? You go and use your fanboy site whatever it might be, with like-minded (and mature? lol) individuals, and I will stick with the cesspool known as official forums. Win win situation?
So I take it you won't be using any forums at all should you decide to play Guild Wars 2 then?
Having a PvP section to the GW2Guru forums would be pretty pointless right about now.
It would look like this 'Is there PvP' 'Yes'
Then a quick little blurb on the difference between WvW and the 5v5 fights. That's about it. There's not enough known about PvP to even have a meaningful discussion.
Also, it's not hard to find a LOT of negative threads on GW2Guru, and the game isn't even out yet. There's so many negative people, it's pretty shocking. People will complain about any and everything, from the energy system to lack of PvP details, to the fight system being too actiony, to not having enough action, and everything else imaginable.
It's not like there's some crazy fanboy mods shutting down all the negative topics.
"Fanboys on a fan-run forum? Who the hell do you think uses the official forums? The haters?"
The answer to that question is: EVERYONE. Not just fanboys.
Why is it that people try to demean other opinions on the forum by bringing out the F-Word? It's pretty pathetic mind you and this video speaks volumes as to why.
official forums are run by ultimate fanboys, the paid kind. Who take every and any chance to boost how awesome their game is and use the ban hammer to their hearts content.
Also there is constant whining at official forums which cause things in game to change. Vocal minority shouldnt have that much power. From designers view point i think it is better to observe from a little away than being in front of the shouting party.
The best thing would be a third party proffessional forum which has written rules with semipro/pro mods who isnt on any related groups payroll.
While fan forums are not exatly that, its still better.
official forums are run by ultimate fanboys, the paid kind. Who take every and any chance to boost how awesome their game is and use the ban hammer to their hearts content.
Also there is constant whining at official forums which cause things in game to change. Vocal minority shouldnt have that much power. From designers view point i think it is better to observe from a little away than being in front of the shouting party.
The best thing would be a third party proffessional forum which has written rules with semipro/pro mods who isnt on any related groups payroll.
While fan forums are not exatly that, its still better.
If that's true then why is it that several key things about Guild Wars 2 have been changed, after these so-called "fanboy forums" did something uncharacteristically like voice a concern with the game. Arenanet have been re-iterating the attributes system again and redesigning the Sylvari race, after a vast number of fanboys voiced their concerns, so I still don't see how the game will benefit from an official forum. The only thing I see an official forum doing to the game is giving people a place to troll, kinda like how we get a lot of the "SWTOR v GW2" or "GW2 is just another WoW clone" threads here, that are allowed to garner attention before being closed 20 pages later.
The good thing about these fan forums is that the majority of these threads a closed almost immediately. Also the people who visit these forums tend to know the game (inside-out), so concerns that seem to be brought up are more important than when a typical newcomer will ask "Does this game have a monthly fee?"
Where else would you be? Certainly not on official forums lol. I don't understand why would you be against official forums. Can't we both get what we want? You go and use your fanboy site whatever it might be, with like-minded (and mature? lol) individuals, and I will stick with the cesspool known as official forums. Win win situation?
So I take it you won't be using any forums at all should you decide to play Guild Wars 2 then?
Of course he will,this is what makes the thread all the more pathetic.
Gosh, is it me, or are the reasons against official forums super super flimsy?
It just makes sense to have official forums where people can look to for things about the game.
Not just for information, but to hear things from devs (AMONG OTHER THINGS), all rolled into one area.
Yeah. Also to have a point to nourish your separate server communities and maybe a high level diplomatic section where server and guild alliances can be discussed in regard to WvWvW, etc.
Still, it does fit a low-cost maintainance formula for a mmorpg not to have them. A reasonable sacrifice for not having to pay a sub fee I guess. A game like GW2 which will have millions of players won't be cheap to run a forum for: IT and security costs, hosting and traffic bills, a team of moderators, a community manager, etc. Maybe its peanuts compared to the costs of game development but it isn't so cheap as some people seem to think.
Everyday you have a "WTF?" moment, well when i saw GW2 didn't have an official forum or a website per say, it was just one more of those WTF moment; i also had an old neightboor ring at my bell few days ago to ask me to move my car for "his" very own public parking place in front of my house, this was also one of those WTF moment...
I don't mind not having official forums, the community will always find a place to meet on the web. I'd go so far as to say i'd prefer fansites, I find them more enjoyable.
It's more a matter of plausable deniability than cost, forums simply aren't that expensive to run and they already have people who spend plenty of time on fan forums that could be spent on their own. What it's all about is that, going back to the GW days, the fansites can, will, and do ban and moderate extremely heavily, far more so than any company could ever get away with. Anet gets to say to unhappy customers both "Go to the fan sites" and, when they're banned there for posting anything contrary, "Sorry, nothing we can do about it, it's not our forum", and thus get forums clean of anything remotely contrary to the company line. They maintain an "official" presence (Hell, in the old days half the posts on two fansites used to be by Gaile Gray) while letting someone else do all the dirty work.
For them it's win-win, but why anyone save the blindest of fans would think this acceptable remains a mystery.
It's more a matter of plausable deniability than cost, forums simply aren't that expensive to run and they already have people who spend plenty of time on fan forums that could be spent on their own. What it's all about is that, going back to the GW days, the fansites can, will, and do ban and moderate extremely heavily, far more so than any company could ever get away with. Anet gets to say to unhappy customers both "Go to the fan sites" and, when they're banned there for posting anything contrary, "Sorry, nothing we can do about it, it's not our forum", and thus get forums clean of anything remotely contrary to the company line. They maintain an "official" presence (Hell, in the old days half the posts on two fansites used to be by Gaile Gray) while letting someone else do all the dirty work.
For them it's win-win, but why anyone save the blindest of fans would think this acceptable remains a mystery.
Spoken liek someone who has never had to manage a forum or its costs. A heavily accessed forum, such as one for a major AAA mmo, has very high running costs, as it needs its own server (plus additional/hardware), housing overheads, forum software licensing (even blizzards software is inhouse and licensed), not to mention bandwidth, CM staff to moderate it, plus tech guys to manage and maintain it. It's not the same as making one for your small group of gaming buddies, housed on a godaddy server.
gw2 and gw1 has no official forums because they encourage community's creativity. Thats why there so many gw fan pages and the most popular forum gw guru, where arenanet's staff are very active.
there's some strict rules in order to get to this list, so there so much more fansites than listed above. This is why having no official forum is better for community.
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Yup, everyone. Thats why official forums usually have worse communities.
At least it represents the true community of the game. Fansites represent only fanboys and sugercoated bullshit. Like to be deceive much? Or is it just that a fanboy in you would want sweep the problems under the rug and pretend like everything is OK on your fanboysites.
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I don't really understand the OP's gripe to be honest. I'd say in 90% of situations where you ask a question, you're going to get a reply from another player anyway, so why does it matter whether it's on a fansite or an "official" forum? Actual Mods/Devs are about as likely to answer you on GW2Guru as they are to on the official WoW or Rift forums anyway. And, be honest with yourself, if you or any other player has something truly game-changing that the devs need to hear "without the middle man", I doubt you're just going to post it on a forum and hope to be answered >.>. Even on official forums your thread is likely to be buried under the hundreds of "nerf X", "wtb Y", or "how do I Z" threads which, oddly enough, are answered more often by vetran players rather than actual members of the game staff.
To each their own, but I actually like the good parts of the community. The majority (like every community) is silent. The most vocal are usually the trolls and haters. Fan sites tend to get the best of the community. If you don't like that, then oh well.
Also, if was going to just sweep all the bad stuff under the rug and ignore it then I wouldn't be on this site.
Where else would you be? Certainly not on official forums lol.
I don't understand why would you be against official forums. Can't we both get what we want? You go and use your fanboy site whatever it might be, with like-minded (and mature? lol) individuals, and I will stick with the cesspool known as official forums. Win win situation?
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Played: Darkfall, EVE, AoC, Ryzom, Ragnarok Online, GW2, PS2, Secret World, WOW, City Of Heroes/Villains, Champion Online.
Sure. But its never going to happen.
So I take it you won't be using any forums at all should you decide to play Guild Wars 2 then?
Having a PvP section to the GW2Guru forums would be pretty pointless right about now.
It would look like this 'Is there PvP' 'Yes'
Then a quick little blurb on the difference between WvW and the 5v5 fights. That's about it. There's not enough known about PvP to even have a meaningful discussion.
Also, it's not hard to find a LOT of negative threads on GW2Guru, and the game isn't even out yet. There's so many negative people, it's pretty shocking.
People will complain about any and everything, from the energy system to lack of PvP details, to the fight system being too actiony, to not having enough action, and everything else imaginable.
It's not like there's some crazy fanboy mods shutting down all the negative topics.
Why is it that people try to demean other opinions on the forum by bringing out the F-Word? It's pretty pathetic mind you and this video speaks volumes as to why.
Exporting labor is cheaper?
Maybe people are overanalyzing this.
official forums are run by ultimate fanboys, the paid kind. Who take every and any chance to boost how awesome their game is and use the ban hammer to their hearts content.
Also there is constant whining at official forums which cause things in game to change. Vocal minority shouldnt have that much power. From designers view point i think it is better to observe from a little away than being in front of the shouting party.
The best thing would be a third party proffessional forum which has written rules with semipro/pro mods who isnt on any related groups payroll.
While fan forums are not exatly that, its still better.
I need more vespene gas.
I've been wondering the same. I think official forums are very much essential.
Guild Wars 2's 50 minutes game play video:
http://n4g.com/news/592585/guild-wars-2-50-minutes-of-pure-gameplay
Everything We Know about GW2:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287180/page/1
If that's true then why is it that several key things about Guild Wars 2 have been changed, after these so-called "fanboy forums" did something uncharacteristically like voice a concern with the game. Arenanet have been re-iterating the attributes system again and redesigning the Sylvari race, after a vast number of fanboys voiced their concerns, so I still don't see how the game will benefit from an official forum. The only thing I see an official forum doing to the game is giving people a place to troll, kinda like how we get a lot of the "SWTOR v GW2" or "GW2 is just another WoW clone" threads here, that are allowed to garner attention before being closed 20 pages later.
The good thing about these fan forums is that the majority of these threads a closed almost immediately. Also the people who visit these forums tend to know the game (inside-out), so concerns that seem to be brought up are more important than when a typical newcomer will ask "Does this game have a monthly fee?"
you really should re-read.
I need more vespene gas.
So I take it you won't be using any forums at all should you decide to play Guild Wars 2 then?
Of course he will,this is what makes the thread all the more pathetic.Gosh, is it me, or are the reasons against official forums super super flimsy?
It just makes sense to have official forums where people can look to for things about the game.
Not just for information, but to hear things from devs (AMONG OTHER THINGS), all rolled into one area.
If you're just talking about information and hearing things from devs, isn't that what the blog and news are for? <.<
Yeah. Also to have a point to nourish your separate server communities and maybe a high level diplomatic section where server and guild alliances can be discussed in regard to WvWvW, etc.
Still, it does fit a low-cost maintainance formula for a mmorpg not to have them. A reasonable sacrifice for not having to pay a sub fee I guess. A game like GW2 which will have millions of players won't be cheap to run a forum for: IT and security costs, hosting and traffic bills, a team of moderators, a community manager, etc. Maybe its peanuts compared to the costs of game development but it isn't so cheap as some people seem to think.
My brand new bloggity blog.
Everyday you have a "WTF?" moment, well when i saw GW2 didn't have an official forum or a website per say, it was just one more of those WTF moment; i also had an old neightboor ring at my bell few days ago to ask me to move my car for "his" very own public parking place in front of my house, this was also one of those WTF moment...
I don't mind not having official forums, the community will always find a place to meet on the web. I'd go so far as to say i'd prefer fansites, I find them more enjoyable.
Oh wow, I can't believe misread that 1st word. Next time I won't post in the forums, as soon as I wake up.
I get the forum part, but no website?
It's more a matter of plausable deniability than cost, forums simply aren't that expensive to run and they already have people who spend plenty of time on fan forums that could be spent on their own. What it's all about is that, going back to the GW days, the fansites can, will, and do ban and moderate extremely heavily, far more so than any company could ever get away with. Anet gets to say to unhappy customers both "Go to the fan sites" and, when they're banned there for posting anything contrary, "Sorry, nothing we can do about it, it's not our forum", and thus get forums clean of anything remotely contrary to the company line. They maintain an "official" presence (Hell, in the old days half the posts on two fansites used to be by Gaile Gray) while letting someone else do all the dirty work.
For them it's win-win, but why anyone save the blindest of fans would think this acceptable remains a mystery.
Spoken liek someone who has never had to manage a forum or its costs. A heavily accessed forum, such as one for a major AAA mmo, has very high running costs, as it needs its own server (plus additional/hardware), housing overheads, forum software licensing (even blizzards software is inhouse and licensed), not to mention bandwidth, CM staff to moderate it, plus tech guys to manage and maintain it. It's not the same as making one for your small group of gaming buddies, housed on a godaddy server.
gw2 and gw1 has no official forums because they encourage community's creativity. Thats why there so many gw fan pages and the most popular forum gw guru, where arenanet's staff are very active.
here's the list:
http://www.guildwars.com/community/fansites/
there's some strict rules in order to get to this list, so there so much more fansites than listed above. This is why having no official forum is better for community.
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