Idk what is happening in the last few years, if I wanted an MMO to be a good story to follow I wouldnt play MMO's in the first place, i'd pick an RPG (the witcher series being my favorites).
Where are the old MMO's that you go in and you start swinging swords and lots of damage flying about where I can not give a toss about the storyline and and just see damage flying around with my new shinies and cool effects.
meh, 200hours of story gameplay, wouldnt touch the cinematics in an mmo with a 10ft pole
MMO's used to mean the WE make the stories and can change the world in a way that others can actually see.
Wow that video has me even more excited about the game! What kinda worries me was whether SWtOR would be able to keep the same feeling of the original KotOR and KotOR 2. But it definitely feels the same, with much better graphics and now massively multiplayer.
But I've been keeping up with the other upcoming MMOs too. They each have their positives and negatives. Personally I don't get how someone can be critical of one aspect of a certain MMO, but not apply that to another MMO. So for fairness I'll do a comparison between upcoming MMOs.
SWtOR, the character models, and especially the faces of the character models, have much higher polygon count than WoW, GW2, and probably The Secret World. Just do a side by side comparison of this gameplay video and any of those games and look at the polygons and facial detail. It's very easy to do.
The combat looked interesting enough for a low level. Can't say enough how much I love the passive animated blocking of blaster bolts and other weapons with the you own blade. It's just realistic. There are probably some SWtOR classes that benefit more from keeping range, so use aoe slows, knockbacks, etc. GW2 has a slight edge here, as their game is focused more on combat/PvP, involving jumping, dodging, etc. Tera too.
The UI is subjective. I don't like GW2 UI at all, looks like a little too comic book. The Secret World UI looks minimal but boring. SWtOR looks like Star Wars, a little reminiscent of KotOR.
The Interiors of SWtOR actually look the best to me out of all the upcoming MMOs. The sith buildings, jedi buildnigs, caves, starships, they look believable. There's clutter, machines, chairs, statues, tapestries, stairs, etc. Like people actually live there. A little worried about GW2 as there hasn't been much video of good interiors. The Secret World interiors look good and believable.
The interaction between characters is where SWtOR looks like it has a big advantage over every other currently upcoming MMO. It's new due to the facial expressions, body language, changing camera angles, and top quality voice actors. It takes the story rpg aspect of the original KotOR to a whole new level. And it's probably the main reason why I want to play this MMO as opposed to just passing on it. The Secret World will have a little bit of this, GW2 even less than that, and Tera even less.
Each upcoming MMO will have similarities to the EQ, AC, WoW formula. They are MMOs but each one has their unique quality. GW2 is similar to WoW in that it's more about the combat and levelling than it is about the story. From looking at gameplay clips the story in GW2 is not that engaging or visual, more focus is on the combat. What makes GW2 different from the typical MMO is making combat more fun and dynamic.
SWtOR is similar to the typical MMO because their is standard MMO levelling and combat. What makes SWtOR different though is that story is woven into the core of the game. NPCs have motives, you can react to those motives. Which seems so different from WoW, where go in and grab a bunch of quests without even reading the text, and then just complete the objectives without much thought the the NPC at all. Or how the quests will affect your character story development.
I think part of the reason some people prefer either SWtOR or GW2, and see the one they don't like as a WoW clone, is because they either play MMOs for brand new combat or play it for the story gameplay. Personally I play MMOs like an rpg. I want to get to know more about the world, the characters in it, their storylines, the political drama, and do it all multiplayer. The combat to me is only a means to get through the quest, not the reason why I'm playing. Which is why it's hardest to see SWtOR as anything like WoW, out of all the upcoming MMOs since WoW was mostly about combat and a little thin on the story.
Wrote a LOT LOL. Uhhh TL:DR. WoW = Combat > Leveling > Story. SWtOR = Story > Leveling > Combat. GW2 = Combat > Leveling > Story. The Secret World = Story > Leveling > Combat. If you play MMOs for combat then you will like GW2 more. If you play your MMOs like an RPG then you will like SWtOR more.
I tried to watch new videos of some major upcoming games - SWTOR, Guild Wars 2, TERA - and there's not one that did not make me pick up and start reading a book in two minutes.
The sole thing that remotely seemed interesting was Otherland. (Oh, and the WildStar trailer was admittedly fun, but, you know, that's a CGI trailer. )
Even from that little bit of footage, I was already interested in what was going on. If you're not the kind of person who interests himself in storyline, you will not like this game, we've said that for ages.
Who's "we" ? You a dev? In the Beta? Has "we"seen any more than the rest of us? It's on rails - no more than the experience of sitting in one of those teacups and being pulled through a Star Wars exhibit at Disney World
Idk what is happening in the last few years, if I wanted an MMO to be a good story to follow I wouldnt play MMO's in the first place, i'd pick an RPG (the witcher series being my favorites).
Where are the old MMO's that you go in and you start swinging swords and lots of damage flying about where I can not give a toss about the storyline and and just see damage flying around with my new shinies and cool effects.
meh, 200hours of story gameplay, wouldnt touch the cinematics in an mmo with a 10ft pole
MMO's used to mean the WE make the stories and can change the world in a way that others can actually see.
Only MMO that I've played that could arguably be called sandbox was Shadowbane. On my server our story was, one guild took over everything and the vast majority of the playerbase swore fielty to them becasue they were the biggest and strongest. They destroyed anyone who built a city that wasnt sworn to them. People who didnt want to be on their team left the server. There were no more people to fight against in a pvp game and the server was abandoned and quickly shutdown.
Idk what is happening in the last few years, if I wanted an MMO to be a good story to follow I wouldnt play MMO's in the first place, i'd pick an RPG (the witcher series being my favorites).
Where are the old MMO's that you go in and you start swinging swords and lots of damage flying about where I can not give a toss about the storyline and and just see damage flying around with my new shinies and cool effects.
meh, 200hours of story gameplay, wouldnt touch the cinematics in an mmo with a 10ft pole
MMO's used to mean the WE make the stories and can change the world in a way that others can actually see.
Looked all right. Gameplay is a little archaic, but I liked the voice overs and the cutscene intrigue. The character skins are terribly bland (face, not clothes), but I did like what they did with the scenery/environment.
Peoples are so hyped up about this game, just for a single reason, the name. You could put Star Wars on a pile of trash and peoples would be excited. From all i saw so far this game would be a generic as generic can be. Add to that, that all MMO's based on TV show or movies have been huge fail. (Matrix, Star Wars (SWG), Star Trek)), this aint looking good.
Funny, I didn't think anyone still believed TOR was NOT a highly story-driven RPG that was very familiar in its MMO offerings yet unique and exciting in its RPG offerings.
I for one am excited for this game simply because it is a high quality Bioware RPG set in the Star Wars universe that has the bonus of being a MMORPG.
Even if the MMO aspects are rehashed and unoriginal, the Bioware RPG aspects will be worth the purchase price.
It is my hope that after experiencing the Bioware RPG aspects to their fullest the MMO aspects will be polished, compelling, and varied enough to keep me subbed.
If not, then just like the Mass Effect games or KOTOR or Dragonage etc. I'll get an absolutely amazing value for the 60+ bucks I spend for this game.
If they get more from me, it'll be because I feel they deserve my continued subscription.
I just don't understand forum people... why do you all have to be so stupid, selfish, and illogical?
It's like saying "I want an apple." Then you got to the store and see an apple, but instead buy the orange next to it. You get home, you eat the orange, then say "I should have bought that apple."
SW:TOR isn't trying to trick you or pretend to be something it is not. They are very honest and forthcoming as to what kind of game the are making.
Don't want to buy that game? Then don't!
Just shut up and move on. No one cares how much you really wanted that apple.
Funny, I didn't think anyone still believed TOR was NOT a highly story-driven RPG that was very familiar in its MMO offerings yet unique and exciting in its RPG offerings.
I for one am excited for this game simply because it is a high quality Bioware RPG set in the Star Wars universe that has the bonus of being a MMORPG.
Even if the MMO aspects are rehashed and unoriginal, the Bioware RPG aspects will be worth the purchase price.
It is my hope that after experiencing the Bioware RPG aspects to their fullest the MMO aspects will be polished, compelling, and varied enough to keep me subbed.
If not, then just like the Mass Effect games or KOTOR or Dragonage etc. I'll get an absolutely amazing value for the 60+ bucks I spend for this game.
If they get more from me, it'll be because I feel they deserve my continued subscription.
I just don't understand forum people... why do you all have to be so stupid, selfish, and illogical?
It's like saying "I want an apple." Then you got to the store and see an apple, but instead buy the orange next to it. You get home, you eat the orange, then say "I should have bought that apple."
SW:TOR isn't trying to trick you or pretend to be something it is not. They are very honest and forthcoming as to what kind of game the are making.
Don't want to buy that game? Then don't!
Just shut up and move on. No one cares how much you really wanted that apple.
i have a few tips for you.
the first tip is everyone is entitles to their opinion and entitles to share it as long as they keep in mind that other people have opinions too and are not trying to hurt their feeling and have done enough research to have a propor opinion, may it be from a video or more.
the second is that you can ignore all the bad and play in your lala land where no one has a diffrent opinion then you, and only good things are said about things. but you choose to talk to people who have made their opinions known.
listen, say what you want but people can say whatever they want and you have no right to stop them just because you dont like it
Im not sure you can say SWG was a fail, it did have a long run. It was a strong mmo way longer than any of the others mentioned. It was serveral years before things went bad.
But on the topic of graphics. I am one who likes to see more realistic graphics like Vanguard and Everquest (in its day). I understand everyone saying that these cartoony graphics allow everyone to play. Is this not why there are graphic settings? If you computer cant handle Max graphics.....wait for it.......dont turn it to max graphics! If you turn the graphics down on Vanguard for instance, the game looks cartoony. So why not create the game with the life like settings and those who cant handle it and seem to like cartoony graphics can throttle it back per their machine. Just because a game has a max setting doesnt mean you have to run it on that. Your car can go 145mph but the speed limit is 70mph. Shall we write letters to the automobile makers and tell them to only make cars that go 70mph?
Funny, I didn't think anyone still believed TOR was NOT a highly story-driven RPG that was very familiar in its MMO offerings yet unique and exciting in its RPG offerings.
I for one am excited for this game simply because it is a high quality Bioware RPG set in the Star Wars universe that has the bonus of being a MMORPG.
Even if the MMO aspects are rehashed and unoriginal, the Bioware RPG aspects will be worth the purchase price.
It is my hope that after experiencing the Bioware RPG aspects to their fullest the MMO aspects will be polished, compelling, and varied enough to keep me subbed.
If not, then just like the Mass Effect games or KOTOR or Dragonage etc. I'll get an absolutely amazing value for the 60+ bucks I spend for this game.
If they get more from me, it'll be because I feel they deserve my continued subscription.
I just don't understand forum people... why do you all have to be so stupid, selfish, and illogical?
It's like saying "I want an apple." Then you got to the store and see an apple, but instead buy the orange next to it. You get home, you eat the orange, then say "I should have bought that apple."
SW:TOR isn't trying to trick you or pretend to be something it is not. They are very honest and forthcoming as to what kind of game the are making.
Don't want to buy that game? Then don't!
Just shut up and move on. No one cares how much you really wanted that apple.
i have a few tips for you.
the first tip is everyone is entitles to their opinion and entitles to share it as long as they keep in mind that other people have opinions too and are not trying to hurt their feeling and have done enough research to have a propor opinion, may it be from a video or more.
the second is that you can ignore all the bad and play in your lala land where no one has a diffrent opinion then you, and only good things are said about things. but you choose to talk to people who have made their opinions known.
listen, say what you want but people can say whatever they want and you have no right to stop them just because you dont like it
Im not sure you can say SWG was a fail, it did have a long run. It was a strong mmo way longer than any of the others mentioned. It was serveral years before things went bad.
But on the topic of graphics. I am one who likes to see more realistic graphics like Vanguard and Everquest (in its day). I understand everyone saying that these cartoony graphics allow everyone to play. Is this not why there are graphic settings? If you computer cant handle Max graphics.....wait for it.......dont turn it to max graphics! If you turn the graphics down on Vanguard for instance, the game looks cartoony. So why not create the game with the life like settings and those who cant handle it and seem to like cartoony graphics can throttle it back per their machine. Just because a game has a max setting doesnt mean you have to run it on that. Your car can go 145mph but the speed limit is 70mph. Shall we write letters to the automobile makers and tell them to only make cars that go 70mph?
I think its a stylistic choice. One that I think, permits the game to age well.
Eh, maybe im just not a fan of the modern "brown and grey" realistic graphics like your modern shooters and Age of conan. I prefer a more vibrant and colorful world.
the first tip is everyone is entitles to their opinion and entitles to share it as long as they keep in mind that other people have opinions too and are not trying to hurt their feeling and have done enough research to have a propor opinion, may it be from a video or more.
the second is that you can ignore all the bad and play in your lala land where no one has a diffrent opinion then you, and only good things are said about things. but you choose to talk to people who have made their opinions known.
listen, say what you want but people can say whatever they want and you have no right to stop them just because you dont like it
What I highlighted is my problem -
people "have done enough research to have a proper opinion"
Fact is that many, if not most here, simply do not.
They come here and just repeat what they see other people say, the same buzz words and tired, pointless arguements every else uses.
Another fact to consder is that opinion can and often is wrong.
Yes, an opinion can be wrong.
If that opinion is ignorant of facts, proof, logic, even common sense, that opinion can be so baseless that anyone with even marginal intelligence can and should classify that opinion is being worthless and thusly "wrong."
Funny, I didn't think anyone still believed TOR was NOT a highly story-driven RPG that was very familiar in its MMO offerings yet unique and exciting in its RPG offerings.
I for one am excited for this game simply because it is a high quality Bioware RPG set in the Star Wars universe that has the bonus of being a MMORPG.
Even if the MMO aspects are rehashed and unoriginal, the Bioware RPG aspects will be worth the purchase price.
It is my hope that after experiencing the Bioware RPG aspects to their fullest the MMO aspects will be polished, compelling, and varied enough to keep me subbed.
If not, then just like the Mass Effect games or KOTOR or Dragonage etc. I'll get an absolutely amazing value for the 60+ bucks I spend for this game.
If they get more from me, it'll be because I feel they deserve my continued subscription.
I just don't understand forum people... why do you all have to be so stupid, selfish, and illogical?
It's like saying "I want an apple." Then you got to the store and see an apple, but instead buy the orange next to it. You get home, you eat the orange, then say "I should have bought that apple."
SW:TOR isn't trying to trick you or pretend to be something it is not. They are very honest and forthcoming as to what kind of game the are making.
Don't want to buy that game? Then don't!
Just shut up and move on. No one cares how much you really wanted that apple.
So you come into a thread about how boring the video looks, insult the people's opinions you don't agree with instead of simply stating your opinion, and call everyone else stupid, selfish and illogical and then say 'shut up and move on?' Personally emotionally invested in the Hype much - you have nothing else to go on, so I guess so.
First of all, you're the one looking 'stupid selfish and illogical' for not being able to have a solid opinion and letting insults pass as reasoning. Wrong thread buddy. You take your hyped up fan boy crap somewhere else until you can form a logical position.
Secondly, I do care about the apple and it looks pretty old. A ot of us grew up with Star Wars from "A New Hope" on, had most of the toys when they were not cheap pieces of BK happy meal quality marketing junk and the game with its kiddie graphics is frankly an insult to the Star Wars Universe as were the Clone Wars cartoons.
Finally, speaking to your 'stupid' insult - you bought the pre-order, didn't you? That's is the height of stupidity and cluelessness, I'm sorry, but it's true.
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Im not sure you can say SWG was a fail, it did have a long run. It was a strong mmo way longer than any of the others mentioned. It was serveral years before things went bad.
But on the topic of graphics. I am one who likes to see more realistic graphics like Vanguard and Everquest (in its day). I understand everyone saying that these cartoony graphics allow everyone to play. Is this not why there are graphic settings? If you computer cant handle Max graphics.....wait for it.......dont turn it to max graphics! If you turn the graphics down on Vanguard for instance, the game looks cartoony. So why not create the game with the life like settings and those who cant handle it and seem to like cartoony graphics can throttle it back per their machine. Just because a game has a max setting doesnt mean you have to run it on that. Your car can go 145mph but the speed limit is 70mph. Shall we write letters to the automobile makers and tell them to only make cars that go 70mph?
I think its a stylistic choice. One that I think, permits the game to age well.
Eh, maybe im just not a fan of the modern "brown and grey" realistic graphics like your modern shooters and Age of conan. I prefer a more vibrant and colorful world.
I prefer a vibrant and colorful world too, but that doesn't mean it has to have as poor graphics as WoW/Rift/STWOR. FFXI ran on Playstation 2's and it looked far better than any of those games did/ever will.
It's a stylistic choice, i just think it is a poor one, but then again people have different tastes.
Im not sure you can say SWG was a fail, it did have a long run. It was a strong mmo way longer than any of the others mentioned. It was serveral years before things went bad.
But on the topic of graphics. I am one who likes to see more realistic graphics like Vanguard and Everquest (in its day). I understand everyone saying that these cartoony graphics allow everyone to play. Is this not why there are graphic settings? If you computer cant handle Max graphics.....wait for it.......dont turn it to max graphics! If you turn the graphics down on Vanguard for instance, the game looks cartoony. So why not create the game with the life like settings and those who cant handle it and seem to like cartoony graphics can throttle it back per their machine. Just because a game has a max setting doesnt mean you have to run it on that. Your car can go 145mph but the speed limit is 70mph. Shall we write letters to the automobile makers and tell them to only make cars that go 70mph?
I think its a stylistic choice. One that I think, permits the game to age well.
Eh, maybe im just not a fan of the modern "brown and grey" realistic graphics like your modern shooters and Age of conan. I prefer a more vibrant and colorful world.
I prefer a vibrant and colorful world too, but that doesn't mean it has to have as poor graphics as WoW/Rift/STWOR. FFXI ran on Playstation 2's and it looked far better than any of those games did/ever will.
It's a stylistic choice, i just think it is a poor one, but then again people have different tastes.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree, I really like WoW's and TOR's graphics. Rift's graphics, i didnt care for, they seemed bland and lifeless, or maybe it was just the visual design and style rather than graphics?
And tbh, GW2 looks equally or more boring when killing mobs (link), although their boss fights look like a lot of fun.
That's not even a very good video and it looks more involving than the TOR combat; the Charr model animations look much more fluid, and the dodging looks like great fun. TOR just looked like a lot of standing around. /shrug
What would people whining like to see from level 1 combat?
We know what kind of game this is, this gameplay is a freshly made character at level 1 then dinging level 2.
I don't know what kind of gameplay you guys expected to see but the game at least looks interesting.
I'm also glad someone rolled out the $150 pre order line, that is a collectors edition only, I pre ordered the normal copy for £36. I dont see what all the fuss is about the price.
"OMG THIS GAME DOESNT CHANGE THE MMO GENRE AND HAVE TWITCH COMBAT!"
It never made that claim. Please someone show me level 1 combat from an MMO that looks compelling?
I remember my first venture into DAOC, all i did was spawn in a town and start killing nearby creatures.
the first tip is everyone is entitles to their opinion and entitles to share it as long as they keep in mind that other people have opinions too and are not trying to hurt their feeling and have done enough research to have a propor opinion, may it be from a video or more.
the second is that you can ignore all the bad and play in your lala land where no one has a diffrent opinion then you, and only good things are said about things. but you choose to talk to people who have made their opinions known.
listen, say what you want but people can say whatever they want and you have no right to stop them just because you dont like it
What I highlighted is my problem -
people "have done enough research to have a proper opinion"
Fact is that many, if not most here, simply do not.
They come here and just repeat what they see other people say, the same buzz words and tired, pointless arguements every else uses.
Another fact to consder is that opinion can and often is wrong.
Yes, an opinion can be wrong.
If that opinion is ignorant of facts, proof, logic, even common sense, that opinion can be so baseless that anyone with even marginal intelligence can and should classify that opinion is being worthless and thusly "wrong."
yes but the ones that you have been talkign about earlier where not wrong. they have watched the video showen here then they have done enough reserach to have a propor opinion on the part of the game, and it is not your job to tell thim not to have an opinion. just to comment on the opinion itself, whnich is where you folly
And tbh, GW2 looks equally or more boring when killing mobs (link), although their boss fights look like a lot of fun.
That's not even a very good video and it looks more involving than the TOR combat; the Charr model animations look much more fluid, and the dodging looks like great fun. TOR just looked like a lot of standing around. /shrug
I liked how the guy in the GW2 dodged and moved around a lot to make it look like the combat was fun, when it was really just typical stand and shoot. That was awesome. Oh wait...
And tbh, GW2 looks equally or more boring when killing mobs (link), although their boss fights look like a lot of fun.
That's not even a very good video and it looks more involving than the TOR combat; the Charr model animations look much more fluid, and the dodging looks like great fun. TOR just looked like a lot of standing around. /shrug
The guy spammed one ability throughout the whole video.
So you come into a thread about how boring the video looks, insult the people's opinions you don't agree with instead of simply stating your opinion, and call everyone else stupid, selfish and illogical and then say 'shut up and move on?' Personally emotionally invested in the Hype much - you have nothing else to go on, so I guess so.
First of all, you're the one looking 'stupid selfish and illogical' for not being able to have a solid opinion and letting insults pass as reasoning. Wrong thread buddy. You take your hyped up fan boy crap somewhere else until you can form a logical position.
Secondly, I do care about the apple and it looks pretty old. A ot of us grew up with Star Wars from "A New Hope" on, had most of the toys when they were not cheap pieces of BK happy meal quality marketing junk and the game with its kiddie graphics is frankly an insult to the Star Wars Universe as were the Clone Wars cartoons.
Finally, speaking to your 'stupid' insult - you bought the pre-order, didn't you? That's is the height of stupidity and cluelessness, I'm sorry, but it's true.
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Talk about taking something personal buddy. Calm down, it'll be ok.
My opinion on TOR?
I think I made that very clear with my first post didn't I? But I'll say it again for you -
I think TOR will be an excellent RPG with very standard MMO features, and by stardard I mean what has become "standard" in the post-WoW MMO world.
I have a lot of faith in Bioware. Why? KOTOR 1, Mass Effect. I never played Bulder's Gate and I didn't care for the Dragon Age series as much. I think Bioware has proven, to me at least, they can do Sci-Fi very well and they can do Star Wars very well.
As I said in my first post, if that's all this game is - KOTOR 3-10 with MMO bits thrown in, I'll gladly fork up 60$ to enjoy the hell out of the game for a couple of months, and then hopefully after investing this much time into the game the MMO aspects will be good enough to keep me around, if not, I'll move on.
I'm not the one emotionally invested in anything.
Do I think TOR looks boring? A little bit. When compared to a more action-combat game like Guild Wars 2, the more "standard" MMO combat of TOR may be a bit on the slow side. But I know that they don't have auto attack and everything I have seen and read from people who have played the game says that it "feels" very good and like Star Wars, and I tend to trust the opinion of people with hands-on experience over random forum trolls.
The simple focus Bioware is given TOR combat on "heroic" combat, as in your character will always be taking on multiple enemies, whole groups etc. rather then just pulling one mob at a time is going to make a huge differenece.
I don't think this is going to translate well to raids/dungeons though, as many players beating up on a boss can't really be done so many different ways.
As long as the regular story/questing combat is truly more "heroic" then your standard MMO, I think it's a win.
When was pre-ordering a bad thing btw?
I want to play as soon as possible, I've been waiting for this game for a long time. The real key here is having proper expectations, not buying into hype, and then deciding whether or not to pre-order. Which I feel like I have done.
I think I know exactly what kind of game I'm going to be buying, which again I think I made very clear in my original post:
A very good Bioware Star Wars RPG with MMO bits, that hopefully will be good MMO bits.
And tbh, GW2 looks equally or more boring when killing mobs (link), although their boss fights look like a lot of fun.
That's not even a very good video and it looks more involving than the TOR combat; the Charr model animations look much more fluid, and the dodging looks like great fun. TOR just looked like a lot of standing around. /shrug
That video is basically a bunch of standing around. They dodged what maybe 3 times And what level is that video compared to the level 1 video shown above, where you basically have little skills available.
Originally posted by SlickShoes What would people whining like to see from level 1 combat? We know what kind of game this is, this gameplay is a freshly made character at level 1 then dinging level 2. I don't know what kind of gameplay you guys expected to see but the game at least looks interesting. I'm also glad someone rolled out the $150 pre order line, that is a collectors edition only, I pre ordered the normal copy for £36. I dont see what all the fuss is about the price.
"OMG THIS GAME DOESNT CHANGE THE MMO GENRE AND HAVE TWITCH COMBAT!"
It never made that claim. Please someone show me level 1 combat from an MMO that looks compelling? I remember my first venture into DAOC, all i did was spawn in a town and start killing nearby creatures.
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MMO's used to mean the WE make the stories and can change the world in a way that others can actually see.
Wow that video has me even more excited about the game! What kinda worries me was whether SWtOR would be able to keep the same feeling of the original KotOR and KotOR 2. But it definitely feels the same, with much better graphics and now massively multiplayer.
But I've been keeping up with the other upcoming MMOs too. They each have their positives and negatives. Personally I don't get how someone can be critical of one aspect of a certain MMO, but not apply that to another MMO. So for fairness I'll do a comparison between upcoming MMOs.
SWtOR, the character models, and especially the faces of the character models, have much higher polygon count than WoW, GW2, and probably The Secret World. Just do a side by side comparison of this gameplay video and any of those games and look at the polygons and facial detail. It's very easy to do.
The combat looked interesting enough for a low level. Can't say enough how much I love the passive animated blocking of blaster bolts and other weapons with the you own blade. It's just realistic. There are probably some SWtOR classes that benefit more from keeping range, so use aoe slows, knockbacks, etc. GW2 has a slight edge here, as their game is focused more on combat/PvP, involving jumping, dodging, etc. Tera too.
The UI is subjective. I don't like GW2 UI at all, looks like a little too comic book. The Secret World UI looks minimal but boring. SWtOR looks like Star Wars, a little reminiscent of KotOR.
The Interiors of SWtOR actually look the best to me out of all the upcoming MMOs. The sith buildings, jedi buildnigs, caves, starships, they look believable. There's clutter, machines, chairs, statues, tapestries, stairs, etc. Like people actually live there. A little worried about GW2 as there hasn't been much video of good interiors. The Secret World interiors look good and believable.
The interaction between characters is where SWtOR looks like it has a big advantage over every other currently upcoming MMO. It's new due to the facial expressions, body language, changing camera angles, and top quality voice actors. It takes the story rpg aspect of the original KotOR to a whole new level. And it's probably the main reason why I want to play this MMO as opposed to just passing on it. The Secret World will have a little bit of this, GW2 even less than that, and Tera even less.
Each upcoming MMO will have similarities to the EQ, AC, WoW formula. They are MMOs but each one has their unique quality. GW2 is similar to WoW in that it's more about the combat and levelling than it is about the story. From looking at gameplay clips the story in GW2 is not that engaging or visual, more focus is on the combat. What makes GW2 different from the typical MMO is making combat more fun and dynamic.
SWtOR is similar to the typical MMO because their is standard MMO levelling and combat. What makes SWtOR different though is that story is woven into the core of the game. NPCs have motives, you can react to those motives. Which seems so different from WoW, where go in and grab a bunch of quests without even reading the text, and then just complete the objectives without much thought the the NPC at all. Or how the quests will affect your character story development.
I think part of the reason some people prefer either SWtOR or GW2, and see the one they don't like as a WoW clone, is because they either play MMOs for brand new combat or play it for the story gameplay. Personally I play MMOs like an rpg. I want to get to know more about the world, the characters in it, their storylines, the political drama, and do it all multiplayer. The combat to me is only a means to get through the quest, not the reason why I'm playing. Which is why it's hardest to see SWtOR as anything like WoW, out of all the upcoming MMOs since WoW was mostly about combat and a little thin on the story.
Wrote a LOT LOL. Uhhh TL:DR. WoW = Combat > Leveling > Story. SWtOR = Story > Leveling > Combat. GW2 = Combat > Leveling > Story. The Secret World = Story > Leveling > Combat. If you play MMOs for combat then you will like GW2 more. If you play your MMOs like an RPG then you will like SWtOR more.
Honestly, anything MMO is boring these days.
I tried to watch new videos of some major upcoming games - SWTOR, Guild Wars 2, TERA - and there's not one that did not make me pick up and start reading a book in two minutes.
The sole thing that remotely seemed interesting was Otherland. (Oh, and the WildStar trailer was admittedly fun, but, you know, that's a CGI trailer.
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Who's "we" ? You a dev? In the Beta? Has "we"seen any more than the rest of us? It's on rails - no more than the experience of sitting in one of those teacups and being pulled through a Star Wars exhibit at Disney World
Only MMO that I've played that could arguably be called sandbox was Shadowbane. On my server our story was, one guild took over everything and the vast majority of the playerbase swore fielty to them becasue they were the biggest and strongest. They destroyed anyone who built a city that wasnt sworn to them. People who didnt want to be on their team left the server. There were no more people to fight against in a pvp game and the server was abandoned and quickly shutdown.
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Looked all right. Gameplay is a little archaic, but I liked the voice overs and the cutscene intrigue. The character skins are terribly bland (face, not clothes), but I did like what they did with the scenery/environment.
Peoples are so hyped up about this game, just for a single reason, the name. You could put Star Wars on a pile of trash and peoples would be excited. From all i saw so far this game would be a generic as generic can be. Add to that, that all MMO's based on TV show or movies have been huge fail. (Matrix, Star Wars (SWG), Star Trek)), this aint looking good.
Funny, I didn't think anyone still believed TOR was NOT a highly story-driven RPG that was very familiar in its MMO offerings yet unique and exciting in its RPG offerings.
I for one am excited for this game simply because it is a high quality Bioware RPG set in the Star Wars universe that has the bonus of being a MMORPG.
Even if the MMO aspects are rehashed and unoriginal, the Bioware RPG aspects will be worth the purchase price.
It is my hope that after experiencing the Bioware RPG aspects to their fullest the MMO aspects will be polished, compelling, and varied enough to keep me subbed.
If not, then just like the Mass Effect games or KOTOR or Dragonage etc. I'll get an absolutely amazing value for the 60+ bucks I spend for this game.
If they get more from me, it'll be because I feel they deserve my continued subscription.
I just don't understand forum people... why do you all have to be so stupid, selfish, and illogical?
It's like saying "I want an apple." Then you got to the store and see an apple, but instead buy the orange next to it. You get home, you eat the orange, then say "I should have bought that apple."
SW:TOR isn't trying to trick you or pretend to be something it is not. They are very honest and forthcoming as to what kind of game the are making.
Don't want to buy that game? Then don't!
Just shut up and move on. No one cares how much you really wanted that apple.
i have a few tips for you.
the first tip is everyone is entitles to their opinion and entitles to share it as long as they keep in mind that other people have opinions too and are not trying to hurt their feeling and have done enough research to have a propor opinion, may it be from a video or more.
the second is that you can ignore all the bad and play in your lala land where no one has a diffrent opinion then you, and only good things are said about things. but you choose to talk to people who have made their opinions known.
listen, say what you want but people can say whatever they want and you have no right to stop them just because you dont like it
Im not sure you can say SWG was a fail, it did have a long run. It was a strong mmo way longer than any of the others mentioned. It was serveral years before things went bad.
But on the topic of graphics. I am one who likes to see more realistic graphics like Vanguard and Everquest (in its day). I understand everyone saying that these cartoony graphics allow everyone to play. Is this not why there are graphic settings? If you computer cant handle Max graphics.....wait for it.......dont turn it to max graphics! If you turn the graphics down on Vanguard for instance, the game looks cartoony. So why not create the game with the life like settings and those who cant handle it and seem to like cartoony graphics can throttle it back per their machine. Just because a game has a max setting doesnt mean you have to run it on that. Your car can go 145mph but the speed limit is 70mph. Shall we write letters to the automobile makers and tell them to only make cars that go 70mph?
doesn't that mean he can also say what he wants?
I think its a stylistic choice. One that I think, permits the game to age well.
Eh, maybe im just not a fan of the modern "brown and grey" realistic graphics like your modern shooters and Age of conan. I prefer a more vibrant and colorful world.
What I highlighted is my problem -
people "have done enough research to have a proper opinion"
Fact is that many, if not most here, simply do not.
They come here and just repeat what they see other people say, the same buzz words and tired, pointless arguements every else uses.
Another fact to consder is that opinion can and often is wrong.
Yes, an opinion can be wrong.
If that opinion is ignorant of facts, proof, logic, even common sense, that opinion can be so baseless that anyone with even marginal intelligence can and should classify that opinion is being worthless and thusly "wrong."
So you come into a thread about how boring the video looks, insult the people's opinions you don't agree with instead of simply stating your opinion, and call everyone else stupid, selfish and illogical and then say 'shut up and move on?' Personally emotionally invested in the Hype much - you have nothing else to go on, so I guess so.
First of all, you're the one looking 'stupid selfish and illogical' for not being able to have a solid opinion and letting insults pass as reasoning. Wrong thread buddy. You take your hyped up fan boy crap somewhere else until you can form a logical position.
Secondly, I do care about the apple and it looks pretty old. A ot of us grew up with Star Wars from "A New Hope" on, had most of the toys when they were not cheap pieces of BK happy meal quality marketing junk and the game with its kiddie graphics is frankly an insult to the Star Wars Universe as were the Clone Wars cartoons.
Finally, speaking to your 'stupid' insult - you bought the pre-order, didn't you? That's is the height of stupidity and cluelessness, I'm sorry, but it's true.
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I prefer a vibrant and colorful world too, but that doesn't mean it has to have as poor graphics as WoW/Rift/STWOR. FFXI ran on Playstation 2's and it looked far better than any of those games did/ever will.
It's a stylistic choice, i just think it is a poor one, but then again people have different tastes.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree, I really like WoW's and TOR's graphics. Rift's graphics, i didnt care for, they seemed bland and lifeless, or maybe it was just the visual design and style rather than graphics?
That's not even a very good video and it looks more involving than the TOR combat; the Charr model animations look much more fluid, and the dodging looks like great fun. TOR just looked like a lot of standing around. /shrug
What would people whining like to see from level 1 combat?
We know what kind of game this is, this gameplay is a freshly made character at level 1 then dinging level 2.
I don't know what kind of gameplay you guys expected to see but the game at least looks interesting.
I'm also glad someone rolled out the $150 pre order line, that is a collectors edition only, I pre ordered the normal copy for £36. I dont see what all the fuss is about the price.
"OMG THIS GAME DOESNT CHANGE THE MMO GENRE AND HAVE TWITCH COMBAT!"
It never made that claim. Please someone show me level 1 combat from an MMO that looks compelling?
I remember my first venture into DAOC, all i did was spawn in a town and start killing nearby creatures.
yes but the ones that you have been talkign about earlier where not wrong. they have watched the video showen here then they have done enough reserach to have a propor opinion on the part of the game, and it is not your job to tell thim not to have an opinion. just to comment on the opinion itself, whnich is where you folly
I liked how the guy in the GW2 dodged and moved around a lot to make it look like the combat was fun, when it was really just typical stand and shoot. That was awesome. Oh wait...
The guy spammed one ability throughout the whole video.
Talk about taking something personal buddy. Calm down, it'll be ok.
My opinion on TOR?
I think I made that very clear with my first post didn't I? But I'll say it again for you -
I think TOR will be an excellent RPG with very standard MMO features, and by stardard I mean what has become "standard" in the post-WoW MMO world.
I have a lot of faith in Bioware. Why? KOTOR 1, Mass Effect. I never played Bulder's Gate and I didn't care for the Dragon Age series as much. I think Bioware has proven, to me at least, they can do Sci-Fi very well and they can do Star Wars very well.
As I said in my first post, if that's all this game is - KOTOR 3-10 with MMO bits thrown in, I'll gladly fork up 60$ to enjoy the hell out of the game for a couple of months, and then hopefully after investing this much time into the game the MMO aspects will be good enough to keep me around, if not, I'll move on.
I'm not the one emotionally invested in anything.
Do I think TOR looks boring? A little bit. When compared to a more action-combat game like Guild Wars 2, the more "standard" MMO combat of TOR may be a bit on the slow side. But I know that they don't have auto attack and everything I have seen and read from people who have played the game says that it "feels" very good and like Star Wars, and I tend to trust the opinion of people with hands-on experience over random forum trolls.
The simple focus Bioware is given TOR combat on "heroic" combat, as in your character will always be taking on multiple enemies, whole groups etc. rather then just pulling one mob at a time is going to make a huge differenece.
I don't think this is going to translate well to raids/dungeons though, as many players beating up on a boss can't really be done so many different ways.
As long as the regular story/questing combat is truly more "heroic" then your standard MMO, I think it's a win.
When was pre-ordering a bad thing btw?
I want to play as soon as possible, I've been waiting for this game for a long time. The real key here is having proper expectations, not buying into hype, and then deciding whether or not to pre-order. Which I feel like I have done.
I think I know exactly what kind of game I'm going to be buying, which again I think I made very clear in my original post:
A very good Bioware Star Wars RPG with MMO bits, that hopefully will be good MMO bits.
That video is basically a bunch of standing around. They dodged what maybe 3 times And what level is that video compared to the level 1 video shown above, where you basically have little skills available.
In Bioware we trust!
Good post