I have faith in the game because they tried to make something a tad different from the rest of the MMO industry.
Sure you still see your character in 3D, still press 12345 to use your skills, but I am not talking about INVENTION here (they never promised they would reinvent the whole MMO genre), but INNOVATION (they are giving a new innovative spin to the MMO genre, genre which in my personal opinion has been stagnating a lot).
Just for that reason alone I fully support ArenaNet.
Is the game going to be the messiah of the MMORPG industry after which everything will be different? I don't think so, but if it can open some eyes and encourage some studios to take more risks that would be an awesome thing. Still, the game seems good enough already and I am sure I am going to enjoy my experience playing it.
Why I feel there is more truth to the Dev's descriptions/plans/systems than, oh I dunno, maybe Maxim's with Spore (for example)? Because the dev's @ Maxim, and most other hyped games, NEVER let the players test the game, for hours prior to its' beta test. Therefore, they control the hype machine. There have been thousands of game hours played on fully playable demos of GW2 by random people, with many that would love to 'hate on the game' as would squeal about it like fanbois/gerlz. The overwhelming majority have given more than favorable impressions/reviews on the state of the game in ALPHA.
I look for the ufavorable reviews right now more than the favorable ones, since I feel there are going to be some issues with this game that many MMO players will NOT like. (I think the movement based dodging in this game is going to be a detriment to the casual player, think retirees, or players I know that can't play games for lengths of time due to the physicality of the mouse movements/hand coordination of constant 'WASD' pounding).
I was pretty impressed. The designer play the character a good bit better than some of the reviewers (cough totla biscuit). He actually kites and stuff.
But one the things that really impressed me is the mobs can be amphibious and change their attacks as well. Its pretty darn cool that drakes breath fire out of water and not under water and you could kite them into the water to change tactics.
Anet is probably the best design house in the MMO market.
Anet is probably the best design house in the MMO market.
SOE, Blizzard, Mythic and others all had their succes in the past....
Blizzard, will probably shine with their seccond MMO too...
SOE and Mythic seem to be declining
Bioware could be another big player in the future of MMO's
Arenanet has had one succesfull product and is now fully entering the MMO scene... Lets see how the support is and if they can sattisfy their customers with enough new content overtime.....
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Because you can steal weapons from mobs and attack them with it. Now I realize that it's still not ripping off someone's arm and beating them with it, but it's close.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
Arenanet has had one succesfull product and is now fully entering the MMO scene... Lets see how the support is and if they can sattisfy their customers with enough new content overtime.....
As if all the work they did for Guild Wars is irrelevant. ArenaNet IS the best developer out right now when it comes to MMOs. Guild Wars might not have been an MMO, but it was generally accepted by the MMO community. ArenaNet did so much work on Guild Wars over the years, there is no doubt in my mind and there shouldn't be a doubt in your mind that ArenaNet will support the game as much as they can. They only have one series. They don't make ANY other games. There's no way Anet is going to just sit by and leave their game out to dry.
I've all but given up on most MMORPGs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the only game I'm banking on at the moment. Guild Wars 2 looks interesting, but all the promises I've seen advertised months and months ago make me worried at just how well this game really will be.
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I've all but given up on most MMORPGs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the only game I'm banking on at the moment. Guild Wars 2 looks interesting, but all the promises I've seen advertised months and months ago make me worried at just how well this game really will be.
I've all but given up on most MMORPGs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the only game I'm banking on at the moment. Guild Wars 2 looks interesting, but all the promises I've seen advertised months and months ago make me worried at just how well this game really will be.
Anet is probably the best design house in the MMO market.
SOE, Blizzard, Mythic and others all had their succes in the past....
Blizzard, will probably shine with their seccond MMO too...
SOE and Mythic seem to be declining
Bioware could be another big player in the future of MMO's
Arenanet has had one succesfull product and is now fully entering the MMO scene... Lets see how the support is and if they can sattisfy their customers with enough new content overtime.....
I have always considered Anet to be better at designing their RPG systems than Blizzard. GW1's RPG elements as far as the combat mechanics are clearly superior and have a better comprehensive overall design than WoW. Jeff Strain wrote the code for the alpha version of the WoW engine before leaving for Anet. Gw1 is technologicall superior to WoW and design wise considerably better. But Blizzard is still in striking ditance even though the Founding of Anet took away some of their best people.
Don't even get me started on how much Anet is better than anything SOE has put. I mean not even close they just head and shoulders above them.
I applaude Mythic for making DAOC as a 3 faction opern world combat game. DAOC had many many flaws. Mythic may have made something cool, but they also do not have the overall comprehensive excellent design that Anet does.
Success is not the same as excellence in design. Most dev house through a bunch of cool stuff at a wall see what sticks and call it design. There are only two houses that I, personally, beleive have comprehensive design decisions and philosophies and attempt to have them in a way that make sense. Those are Anet and CCP. And I think Anet is better at it than CCP.
I personally think EQ was poorly designed. Further more most of the design of EQ came from the DIKU MUD (and the DIKU MUDbase in general as they all had very similar mechanics) it came from, not from SOE. EQ had success for the time but that doesn't mean I have much respect for how the game was made. I was seeing that game 10 years before EQ existed and I never liked that design much. It was adequate for its purpose but certainly not excellent in anyway. All the original design choices of EQ were common in MUDs. In fact they were adhered to almost religously and I rarely found a Dev/Wizard who could argue why they were good beyond "That's how it has to be".
Mythic at least added some interesting PvP stuff in even they too were jsut as much as a slave to the DIKU paradigm. But even so Mythic was still hap hazard and simply throwing things at the wall to see what stuck. They may have had creative ideas but that is not the same as good design. It may be necessary for good design, but its not sufficient.
This is one of the central problems of the MMORPG market in general. Many creative ideas with almost no decent comprehensive deisign to tie them together to have them make sense or realize the consequences in toal of what they are doing.
Whereas when you look into Anet and CCP design it has foundational and far seeing reasons behidn what they do and why they do it. They started both their games with elegant but powerful ideas they shaped their games around.
One simply need to look at the EQ conception of travel time vs the CCP/Eve conception of travel time. The analysis done by CCP is comprehensive across their entire game. The EQ analysis ( and is true of the MUDS it is heavily similar to) is in isolation of one aspect of the game but not the game in its entirety and thus eventually it was changed but the change only shifted things around and made one thing works worse so that another could work bettter. Because an unacceptable tension was designed into the game due a lack of a comprehensive understaninding of the consequences of what they were designing.
There is a reason EvE content is mostly dynamic. It because long travel times and player "neighborhoods" are a founational aspect of EvE. EQ people wish they could have such things, but they can't the games content is in tension with this idea. EQ was essentially schizophrenic due to this lack of understanding and overall consideration by the devs. Or possibly they understood and opted for imperfection.
Anet and CCP do understand such things and they do not opt of an imperfect compromise doomed to fail. This makes them superior to the other Deve houses.
I've all but given up on most MMORPGs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the only game I'm banking on at the moment. Guild Wars 2 looks interesting, but all the promises I've seen advertised months and months ago make me worried at just how well this game really will be.
In the end, its all based on numbers. Like it or not, WoW had over 12 Million active subscribers and in fact holds the Guiness Book or World Records for subs. Trust me. I've uninstalled ages ago. But being that Blizz made a successful title that ended up outselling everyone, they were obviously doing something right. But then again. Blizzard has been making succesful games for years. And due to that fact, it makes me stop to think about GW. Sure they had subs. Apparently people enjoyed it. But it was still overshadowed by others. One can only hope that after GW, Aion and all the other titles that couldn't hold up against the more sucessful ones, will prove to shine with GW2. I quit GW in the first day when I realized that all zones were instanced. Open world is just better. No boundaries, invisible walls with zones transitioning into eachother. Don't get me wrong. NC makes some beautiful games. But thats it sadly. And now that Aion is doing the CS thing, I'm not sure if the company fits in with American players.
I've all but given up on most MMORPGs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the only game I'm banking on at the moment. Guild Wars 2 looks interesting, but all the promises I've seen advertised months and months ago make me worried at just how well this game really will be.
I never said Star Wars would be good. I just said I was banking on it as in it's the only one I'm willing to buy at the moment =P
A just thougt it was strange talking about being worried with some promisses while, until now, ArenaNet is keeping them but Bioware dont
All I have to say to the link above is LOL...The same goes for the last two words of your post. Nothing that he said in that video was a lie. Basically what these two posts boil down to is that you can't handle someone looking forward to TOR over GW2.
Gotta love misinformation and agendas here at MMORPG.com.
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I have really big hopes in GW2 restoring the MMO genre to its former glory
Really? When was the genre comprised of hack and slash titles? Or perhaps you really do mean MMOs which consist of games like GW1. If that's the case, that is one thing. GW2 will undoubtely be good, but dont think for a second that it is a spiritual sucessor to any of the original MMORPGs. Alot of the strategy and contemplation have been removed from this game to appease the ADD youth who just want to be eye f**ked. Unfortunately this game is more along the lines of the MMOFPS style than a MMORPG style. I know many of you want that and want their characters to be digital gods who can do everything and have no need for group dynamics. But I for one will not cheer for the further errosion of the MMORPG genre. You know, that genre that used to exist and that this site was supposed to cover?
And sorry, but I find it funny (and a little vomitous) that so many people are standing in line to be ANET groupies. It is amazing how a group that was bashed (rightly so) and basically a non-factor (for good reason) has become the golden child of developers. Its like the rebirth of Reaganomics. Trickle-down development if you will.
I've all but given up on most MMORPGs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the only game I'm banking on at the moment. Guild Wars 2 looks interesting, but all the promises I've seen advertised months and months ago make me worried at just how well this game really will be.
I never said Star Wars would be good. I just said I was banking on it as in it's the only one I'm willing to buy at the moment =P
A just thougt it was strange talking about being worried with some promisses while, until now, ArenaNet is keeping them but Bioware dont
All I have to say to the link above is LOL...The same goes for the last two words of your post. Nothing that he said in that video was a lie. Basically what these two posts boil down to is that you can't handle someone looking forward to TOR over GW2.
Gotta love misinformation and agendas here at MMORPG.com.
Or you just could say: "stop haeting you GW2 fanboi!11!!"
I have really big hopes in GW2 restoring the MMO genre to its former glory
Really? When was the genre comprised of hack and slash titles? Or perhaps you really do mean MMOs which consist of games like GW1. If that's the case, that is one thing. GW2 will undoubtely be good, but dont think for a second that it is a spiritual sucessor to any of the original MMORPGs. Alot of the strategy and contemplation have been removed from this game to appease the ADD youth who just want to be eye f**ked. Unfortunately this game is more along the lines of the MMOFPS style than a MMORPG style. I know many of you want that and want their characters to be digital gods who can do everything and have no need for group dynamics. But I for one will not cheer for the further errosion of the MMORPG genre. You know, that genre that used to exist and that this site was supposed to cover?
And sorry, but I find it funny (and a little vomitous) that so many people are standing in line to be ANET groupies. It is amazing how a group that was bashed (rightly so) and basically a non-factor (for good reason) has become the golden child of developers. Its like the rebirth of Reaganomics. Trickle-down development if you will.
K then , name 1 mmo that is supposed to come out in near future and has the least bit of innovation and hope to get out of the genneric bullcrap that every mmo for the past 3-4 years has been
Why are people all over this game? not trying to hate on the game, it will have its niche but the game play doesnt look special. The voices over quests lack real animation. The PvP looks played out. The graphics are good, but that just means you need a crazy computer for boss fights and large scale anything.
I found these two parts to be somewhat contradictory.
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Originally posted by Hoolilol Originally posted by Sensai
Originally posted by Hoolilol
I have really big hopes in GW2 restoring the MMO genre to its former glory
Really? When was the genre comprised of hack and slash titles? Or perhaps you really do mean MMOs which consist of games like GW1. If that's the case, that is one thing. GW2 will undoubtely be good, but dont think for a second that it is a spiritual sucessor to any of the original MMORPGs. Alot of the strategy and contemplation have been removed from this game to appease the ADD youth who just want to be eye f**ked. Unfortunately this game is more along the lines of the MMOFPS style than a MMORPG style. I know many of you want that and want their characters to be digital gods who can do everything and have no need for group dynamics. But I for one will not cheer for the further errosion of the MMORPG genre. You know, that genre that used to exist and that this site was supposed to cover? And sorry, but I find it funny (and a little vomitous) that so many people are standing in line to be ANET groupies. It is amazing how a group that was bashed (rightly so) and basically a non-factor (for good reason) has become the golden child of developers. Its like the rebirth of Reaganomics. Trickle-down development if you will.
K then , name 1 mmo that is supposed to come out in near future and has the least bit of innovation and hope to get out of the genneric bullcrap that every mmo for the past 3-4 years has been Prime: Battle for Dominus The Repopulation Salem
Im a sucker for gameplay. The combat looks sharp and complex, beeing able to take advantage of movement and dodging attacks plus having multiple stances/skillsets on the different weapons .. its pretty much a dream coming true. On top of that allowing us to host our own private "battlegrounds" to practise PVP and develop community bonds its pretty much the only MMO that I could see working as an e-sport.
The ServerVsServerVsServer sounds fun as well and could really bring the community together.
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I have faith in the game because they tried to make something a tad different from the rest of the MMO industry.
Sure you still see your character in 3D, still press 12345 to use your skills, but I am not talking about INVENTION here (they never promised they would reinvent the whole MMO genre), but INNOVATION (they are giving a new innovative spin to the MMO genre, genre which in my personal opinion has been stagnating a lot).
Just for that reason alone I fully support ArenaNet.
Is the game going to be the messiah of the MMORPG industry after which everything will be different? I don't think so, but if it can open some eyes and encourage some studios to take more risks that would be an awesome thing. Still, the game seems good enough already and I am sure I am going to enjoy my experience playing it.
I have no faith but I have hope it won't suck as bad as Guild Wars did.
Why I feel there is more truth to the Dev's descriptions/plans/systems than, oh I dunno, maybe Maxim's with Spore (for example)? Because the dev's @ Maxim, and most other hyped games, NEVER let the players test the game, for hours prior to its' beta test. Therefore, they control the hype machine. There have been thousands of game hours played on fully playable demos of GW2 by random people, with many that would love to 'hate on the game' as would squeal about it like fanbois/gerlz. The overwhelming majority have given more than favorable impressions/reviews on the state of the game in ALPHA.
I look for the ufavorable reviews right now more than the favorable ones, since I feel there are going to be some issues with this game that many MMO players will NOT like. (I think the movement based dodging in this game is going to be a detriment to the casual player, think retirees, or players I know that can't play games for lengths of time due to the physicality of the mouse movements/hand coordination of constant 'WASD' pounding).
After watching this video about underwater combat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF2CPInK_2g
I was pretty impressed. The designer play the character a good bit better than some of the reviewers (cough totla biscuit). He actually kites and stuff.
But one the things that really impressed me is the mobs can be amphibious and change their attacks as well. Its pretty darn cool that drakes breath fire out of water and not under water and you could kite them into the water to change tactics.
Anet is probably the best design house in the MMO market.
the Charr run on all fours, man!!!! IM FREAKIN OUT!!!
SOE, Blizzard, Mythic and others all had their succes in the past....
Blizzard, will probably shine with their seccond MMO too...
SOE and Mythic seem to be declining
Bioware could be another big player in the future of MMO's
Arenanet has had one succesfull product and is now fully entering the MMO scene... Lets see how the support is and if they can sattisfy their customers with enough new content overtime.....
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Because you can steal weapons from mobs and attack them with it. Now I realize that it's still not ripping off someone's arm and beating them with it, but it's close.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
As if all the work they did for Guild Wars is irrelevant. ArenaNet IS the best developer out right now when it comes to MMOs. Guild Wars might not have been an MMO, but it was generally accepted by the MMO community. ArenaNet did so much work on Guild Wars over the years, there is no doubt in my mind and there shouldn't be a doubt in your mind that ArenaNet will support the game as much as they can. They only have one series. They don't make ANY other games. There's no way Anet is going to just sit by and leave their game out to dry.
Cause every mmo suck nowadays and GW2 bring solutions that i already had in mind.
I've all but given up on most MMORPGs. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the only game I'm banking on at the moment. Guild Wars 2 looks interesting, but all the promises I've seen advertised months and months ago make me worried at just how well this game really will be.
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Simple answer to the thread title alone is .... why not ?
Are you sure about that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCe30j0G5fM
roflmao
I never said Star Wars would be good. I just said I was banking on it as in it's the only one I'm willing to buy at the moment =P
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I have really big hopes in GW2 restoring the MMO genre to its former glory
I have always considered Anet to be better at designing their RPG systems than Blizzard. GW1's RPG elements as far as the combat mechanics are clearly superior and have a better comprehensive overall design than WoW. Jeff Strain wrote the code for the alpha version of the WoW engine before leaving for Anet. Gw1 is technologicall superior to WoW and design wise considerably better. But Blizzard is still in striking ditance even though the Founding of Anet took away some of their best people.
Don't even get me started on how much Anet is better than anything SOE has put. I mean not even close they just head and shoulders above them.
I applaude Mythic for making DAOC as a 3 faction opern world combat game. DAOC had many many flaws. Mythic may have made something cool, but they also do not have the overall comprehensive excellent design that Anet does.
Success is not the same as excellence in design. Most dev house through a bunch of cool stuff at a wall see what sticks and call it design. There are only two houses that I, personally, beleive have comprehensive design decisions and philosophies and attempt to have them in a way that make sense. Those are Anet and CCP. And I think Anet is better at it than CCP.
I personally think EQ was poorly designed. Further more most of the design of EQ came from the DIKU MUD (and the DIKU MUDbase in general as they all had very similar mechanics) it came from, not from SOE. EQ had success for the time but that doesn't mean I have much respect for how the game was made. I was seeing that game 10 years before EQ existed and I never liked that design much. It was adequate for its purpose but certainly not excellent in anyway. All the original design choices of EQ were common in MUDs. In fact they were adhered to almost religously and I rarely found a Dev/Wizard who could argue why they were good beyond "That's how it has to be".
Mythic at least added some interesting PvP stuff in even they too were jsut as much as a slave to the DIKU paradigm. But even so Mythic was still hap hazard and simply throwing things at the wall to see what stuck. They may have had creative ideas but that is not the same as good design. It may be necessary for good design, but its not sufficient.
This is one of the central problems of the MMORPG market in general. Many creative ideas with almost no decent comprehensive deisign to tie them together to have them make sense or realize the consequences in toal of what they are doing.
Whereas when you look into Anet and CCP design it has foundational and far seeing reasons behidn what they do and why they do it. They started both their games with elegant but powerful ideas they shaped their games around.
One simply need to look at the EQ conception of travel time vs the CCP/Eve conception of travel time. The analysis done by CCP is comprehensive across their entire game. The EQ analysis ( and is true of the MUDS it is heavily similar to) is in isolation of one aspect of the game but not the game in its entirety and thus eventually it was changed but the change only shifted things around and made one thing works worse so that another could work bettter. Because an unacceptable tension was designed into the game due a lack of a comprehensive understaninding of the consequences of what they were designing.
There is a reason EvE content is mostly dynamic. It because long travel times and player "neighborhoods" are a founational aspect of EvE. EQ people wish they could have such things, but they can't the games content is in tension with this idea. EQ was essentially schizophrenic due to this lack of understanding and overall consideration by the devs. Or possibly they understood and opted for imperfection.
Anet and CCP do understand such things and they do not opt of an imperfect compromise doomed to fail. This makes them superior to the other Deve houses.
A just thougt it was strange talking about being worried with some promisses while, until now, ArenaNet is keeping them but Bioware dont
In the end, its all based on numbers. Like it or not, WoW had over 12 Million active subscribers and in fact holds the Guiness Book or World Records for subs. Trust me. I've uninstalled ages ago. But being that Blizz made a successful title that ended up outselling everyone, they were obviously doing something right. But then again. Blizzard has been making succesful games for years. And due to that fact, it makes me stop to think about GW. Sure they had subs. Apparently people enjoyed it. But it was still overshadowed by others. One can only hope that after GW, Aion and all the other titles that couldn't hold up against the more sucessful ones, will prove to shine with GW2. I quit GW in the first day when I realized that all zones were instanced. Open world is just better. No boundaries, invisible walls with zones transitioning into eachother. Don't get me wrong. NC makes some beautiful games. But thats it sadly. And now that Aion is doing the CS thing, I'm not sure if the company fits in with American players.
Getting too old for this $&17!
All I have to say to the link above is LOL...The same goes for the last two words of your post. Nothing that he said in that video was a lie. Basically what these two posts boil down to is that you can't handle someone looking forward to TOR over GW2.
Gotta love misinformation and agendas here at MMORPG.com.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Really? When was the genre comprised of hack and slash titles? Or perhaps you really do mean MMOs which consist of games like GW1. If that's the case, that is one thing. GW2 will undoubtely be good, but dont think for a second that it is a spiritual sucessor to any of the original MMORPGs. Alot of the strategy and contemplation have been removed from this game to appease the ADD youth who just want to be eye f**ked. Unfortunately this game is more along the lines of the MMOFPS style than a MMORPG style. I know many of you want that and want their characters to be digital gods who can do everything and have no need for group dynamics. But I for one will not cheer for the further errosion of the MMORPG genre. You know, that genre that used to exist and that this site was supposed to cover?
And sorry, but I find it funny (and a little vomitous) that so many people are standing in line to be ANET groupies. It is amazing how a group that was bashed (rightly so) and basically a non-factor (for good reason) has become the golden child of developers. Its like the rebirth of Reaganomics. Trickle-down development if you will.
Or you just could say: "stop haeting you GW2 fanboi!11!!"
K then , name 1 mmo that is supposed to come out in near future and has the least bit of innovation and hope to get out of the genneric bullcrap that every mmo for the past 3-4 years has been
I found these two parts to be somewhat contradictory.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
And sorry, but I find it funny (and a little vomitous) that so many people are standing in line to be ANET groupies. It is amazing how a group that was bashed (rightly so) and basically a non-factor (for good reason) has become the golden child of developers. Its like the rebirth of Reaganomics. Trickle-down development if you will.
K then , name 1 mmo that is supposed to come out in near future and has the least bit of innovation and hope to get out of the genneric bullcrap that every mmo for the past 3-4 years has been
Prime: Battle for Dominus
The Repopulation
Salem
just off the top of my head.
Im a sucker for gameplay. The combat looks sharp and complex, beeing able to take advantage of movement and dodging attacks plus having multiple stances/skillsets on the different weapons .. its pretty much a dream coming true. On top of that allowing us to host our own private "battlegrounds" to practise PVP and develop community bonds its pretty much the only MMO that I could see working as an e-sport.
The ServerVsServerVsServer sounds fun as well and could really bring the community together.
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