Seems like the game has peaked on XFire

pharazonic

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 And that has exactly what to do with "have you seen the sales figures lately?"

I like how you feign ignorance. Bravo. 

pharazonic

Originally posted by Shivam

No i am just not willing to read what you want me to read. The comment by EA/Bioware is so vague, by following standards set by WOW could mean anything..polish, accessibility, quality... i don't have a very narrow point of view to somehow translate a vague comment into 'EA admitted that they are going to rekinn WOW'... sorry that is not what i read even though you want me to believe that.

Pelaaja basically summed up my points for me. Not going to repeat myself to you~

Shivam

Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by Shivam

No i am just not willing to read what you want me to read. The comment by EA/Bioware is so vague, by following standards set by WOW could mean anything..polish, accessibility, quality... i don't have a very narrow point of view to somehow translate a vague comment into 'EA admitted that they are going to rekinn WOW'... sorry that is not what i read even though you want me to believe that.

Pelaaja basically summed up my points for me. Not going to repeat myself to you~

You don't have to because there is nothing that you or him can say for me to start reading what is not there.

Pelaaja

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by pharazonic

Unfortunately it is a reskinned WoW - the CEO of EA has admited as much. 

When the horse says it... how can you truly argue against that?

source?

Source

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

You're not the only one here thinking it's cool to hate WoW and love the derivatives.

All i read was that Bioware is trying to follow same standards that were set by WOW in game play. I didn't know that somehow makes SWTOR a reskinned WOW. But like i said people like to read whatever they want to read as long as it helps their agenda.

English isn't my 1st, but even I did dechiper some text to my own language. I took the time to give you  quote:

""It is a touchstone," Zeschuk told the audience. "It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb. If you have established standards, WoW established them." "

I don't know what it says to you, but to me it says they do a WoW rehash.

I don't know about any agenda, didn't get the memo.

But you shouldn't enter the forums where games are discussed about unless you have basic knowledge. Or you are willing to learn more about the games discussed about.

If someone doesn't feel or believe that SWTOR isn't WOW clone doesn't mean they lack basic knowledge, it simply means they disagree with you on particular point. You can interpret what they meant by 'following standards set by WOW' into 'hey WOW clone'..you have all the right to do so. But please don't imply that it is 100% true and that is exactly what EA/Bioware said that they are going to reskinn WOW.

WOW has set lots of high standards in MMO industry which could mean anything.... the whole comment is so vague and left open to interpretation.

Um, what vague is in "if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb"?

It's a solid statetement. And if they knowingly do something differently than it was done in WoW they'd be doing dumb thing. Dumb thing is suddenly a good thing? Not where I come from.

As it was said by pharazonic: "The writing is very clear; you are the one choosing not to see it, IMO.".

But to the XFire trend. It looks very similar to Aion trend, massive launch, held the numbers for about 2 months and then massive decline. Time will tell, but it looks like it.

Shivam

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by pharazonic

Unfortunately it is a reskinned WoW - the CEO of EA has admited as much. 

When the horse says it... how can you truly argue against that?

source?

Source

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

You're not the only one here thinking it's cool to hate WoW and love the derivatives.

All i read was that Bioware is trying to follow same standards that were set by WOW in game play. I didn't know that somehow makes SWTOR a reskinned WOW. But like i said people like to read whatever they want to read as long as it helps their agenda.

English isn't my 1st, but even I did dechiper some text to my own language. I took the time to give you  quote:

""It is a touchstone," Zeschuk told the audience. "It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb. If you have established standards, WoW established them." "

I don't know what it says to you, but to me it says they do a WoW rehash.

I don't know about any agenda, didn't get the memo.

But you shouldn't enter the forums where games are discussed about unless you have basic knowledge. Or you are willing to learn more about the games discussed about.

If someone doesn't feel or believe that SWTOR isn't WOW clone doesn't mean they lack basic knowledge, it simply means they disagree with you on particular point. You can interpret what they meant by 'following standards set by WOW' into 'hey WOW clone'..you have all the right to do so. But please don't imply that it is 100% true and that is exactly what EA/Bioware said that they are going to reskinn WOW.

WOW has set lots of high standards in MMO industry which could mean anything.... the whole comment is so vague and left open to interpretation.

Um, what vague is in "if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb"?

It's a solid statetement. And if they knowingly do something differently than it was done in WoW they'd be doing dumb thing. Dumb thing is suddenly a good thing? Not where I come from.

As it was said by pharazonic: "The writing is very clear; you are the one choosing not to see it, IMO.".

But to the XFire trend. It looks very similar to Aion trend, massive launch, held the numbers for about 2 months and then massive decline. Time will tell, but it looks like it.

Yeah it is a solid statement and that is all they said nothing more... which could mean the accesibility of the game, quality, polish, huge amount of content etc. Rest is up to you what you want to make out of that statement.  And once again, i am not reading what you want me to read doesn't mean i am not reading it right.

pharazonic

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by pharazonic

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 And that has exactly what to do with "have you seen the sales figures lately?"

I like how you feign ignorance. Bravo. 

 I like how you completely ignore the question and throw up thet pathetic moldy strawman of an argument. Stay tuned for an announcement. 

Here's a list of things you ought to do:

1. Read the last paragraph of my post. Or get your eyes sight checked out because you seem to go mysteriously, selectively blind

2. Check the definition of "strawman"

3. Be more needlessly condescending. Really reflects brilliantly!

pharazonic

EA reported 1 million sales. What is speculation about that? 

Pelaaja

I tried to find SW:TOR sales figures but didn't find them.

I did learn that no PC game was in Global top 40 on week ending 17th of Decempber 2011

In Europe Skyrim managed to get 28th place, but I checked only Global, US and Europe. You think SW:TOR will show in VGChartz annual report, or when they publish the week ending on 25th?

Shivam

Originally posted by pharazonic

EA reported 1 million sales. What is speculation about that? 

EA never reported any sale numbers yet..and i doubt they will release any atleast for another 2 or 3 months.

Pelaaja

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by pharazonic

EA reported 1 million sales. What is speculation about that? 

 EA reported 1 million registered users, incorrectly called subscribers, December 23rd. That's four days ago and before sales figures were available and out of date even then. Anything beyond that, including almost every prediction in this thread is useless speculation.

They decided to use "Trion Rift Tactics lvl3".

Trion was practically persecuted for using that, why should BW be treated any better?

Lidane

Originally posted by Trixey4795

Just another hater thread served up with an XFire flavour.

OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by pharazonic

EA reported 1 million sales. What is speculation about that? 

I've just seen a market analysis on massively.com predicting around 3 million sales before March 2012 .Remember the marketing organisations are usually conservative in thier estimates so it'll probably be even more than that .

Yamota

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by alakram

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Or maybe less people are using Xfire? I don't. I've always thought Xfire is the worst way of tracking MMO populations because not everyone uses it. It's irrelevant.

Statistics usually works this way, you ask a percenteage of the population and then you have an idea. Xfire is as reliable as a statistic, not everybody uses it and I'm not saying it's a good source but it is not as bad as it looks. At least we can have and idea of how the population of any game, swtor in this case is developing, if it goes up or down it will most probably be tha same with the game. Of course is just a guess, but a not too bad one.

No.  X-fire is only reliable as a statistic when measuring the population WITHIN X-fire.  It has no reliability when trying to link it with the population OUTSIDE X-fire.

That is making the assumption that XFire users are not in any way representative of the total population. I dont have a reason to believe it is or it is not, so it may be reliable or it may not. Seeing as we have no other numbers to rely on, it is up to the person to make an guess about XFire being representable or not.

I personally don't see a reason why it should not be.

Yamota

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by Trixey4795

Just another hater thread served up with an XFire flavour.

Why is it hating to show a link that the game has peaked and is number two in MMORPG rankings?

Is anything that is not praising the game to the sky, considered hating?

Vato26

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by alakram

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Or maybe less people are using Xfire? I don't. I've always thought Xfire is the worst way of tracking MMO populations because not everyone uses it. It's irrelevant.

Statistics usually works this way, you ask a percenteage of the population and then you have an idea. Xfire is as reliable as a statistic, not everybody uses it and I'm not saying it's a good source but it is not as bad as it looks. At least we can have and idea of how the population of any game, swtor in this case is developing, if it goes up or down it will most probably be tha same with the game. Of course is just a guess, but a not too bad one.

No.  X-fire is only reliable as a statistic when measuring the population WITHIN X-fire.  It has no reliability when trying to link it with the population OUTSIDE X-fire.

That is making the assumption that XFire users are not in any way representative of the total population. I dont have a reason to believe it is or it is not, so it may be reliable or it may not. Seeing as we have no other numbers to rely on, it is up to the person to make an guess about XFire being representable or not.

I personally don't see a reason why it should not be.

No.  The only assumption involved is by the people, such as yourself, who try and use the X-fire figures to link it to the population outside of X-fire as your group has NO idea as to the percentage of the gaming population that actually uses X-fire.  That link is critical to link within X-fire population to outside X-fire population.  This is reality.

Yet, your group is assuming there is a link at all.  Facts could be that only 1% of the total gaming population uses X-fire.  Or, 0.5%... or even 0.25%.  Those are extremely small percentages.  Which means the X-fire figures would be completely worthless when it comes to the total gaming population.  And, before you claim that I am saying these are the percentages, I am not... but they could be.

Again, you are the ones that are assuming, not I.

Creslin321

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by Trixey4795

Just another hater thread served up with an XFire flavour.

Why is it hating to show a link that the game has peaked and is number two in MMORPG rankings?

Is anything that is not praising the game to the sky, considered hating?

 Hating?  No I wouldn't say so.

But the SWTOR devout would definitely consider it blasphemous/heretical .

NightCloak

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by alakram

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Or maybe less people are using Xfire? I don't. I've always thought Xfire is the worst way of tracking MMO populations because not everyone uses it. It's irrelevant.

Statistics usually works this way, you ask a percenteage of the population and then you have an idea. Xfire is as reliable as a statistic, not everybody uses it and I'm not saying it's a good source but it is not as bad as it looks. At least we can have and idea of how the population of any game, swtor in this case is developing, if it goes up or down it will most probably be tha same with the game. Of course is just a guess, but a not too bad one.

No.  X-fire is only reliable as a statistic when measuring the population WITHIN X-fire.  It has no reliability when trying to link it with the population OUTSIDE X-fire.

That is making the assumption that XFire users are not in any way representative of the total population. I dont have a reason to believe it is or it is not, so it may be reliable or it may not. Seeing as we have no other numbers to rely on, it is up to the person to make an guess about XFire being representable or not.

I personally don't see a reason why it should not be.

No.  The only assumption involved is by the people, such as yourself, who try and use the X-fire figures to link it to the population outside of X-fire as your group has NO idea as to the percentage of the gaming population that actually uses X-fire.  That link is critical to link within X-fire population to outside X-fire population.  This is reality.

Yet, your group is assuming there is a link at all.  Facts could be that only 1% of the total gaming population uses X-fire.  Or, 0.5%... or even 0.25%.  Those are extremely small percentages.  Which means the X-fire figures would be completely worthless when it comes to the total gaming population.  And, before you claim that I am saying these are the percentages, I am not... but they could be.

Again, you are the ones that are assuming, not I.

You can use X Fire to spot trending or as an estimation tool. Do keep in mind that US political polls that are widely used usually only sample ~0.0003% of the population.

Then again, its a scientific poll and hits random demographics. We don't know how X Fire user habits and preferences differ from the general population of a specific game.

I would consider X Fire to be reliable enough for the trending. It spotted downward population trends for several games before they switched to F2P models.

Happyguy83

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by pharazonic

EA reported 1 million sales. What is speculation about that? 

I've just seen a market analysis on massively.com predicting around 3 million sales before March 2012 .Remember the marketing organisations are usually conservative in thier estimates so it'll probably be even more than that .

If I remember correctly it 1 million people that have subbed to the game past the first free month not 1 million copies sold.

Creslin321

Originally posted by Happyguy83

Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by pharazonic

EA reported 1 million sales. What is speculation about that? 

I've just seen a market analysis on massively.com predicting around 3 million sales before March 2012 .Remember the marketing organisations are usually conservative in thier estimates so it'll probably be even more than that .

If I remember correctly it 1 million people that have subbed to the game past the first free month not 1 million copies sold.

 There is no way they could possibly measure who subbed past the free month because the free month is still in effect and you HAVE to sub the game just to play it.  We are going to have to wait to see how many people CANCEL before the next billing cycle to measure who actually subbed beyond the free month.

Vato26

Originally posted by NightCloak

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by alakram

Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

Or maybe less people are using Xfire? I don't. I've always thought Xfire is the worst way of tracking MMO populations because not everyone uses it. It's irrelevant.

Statistics usually works this way, you ask a percenteage of the population and then you have an idea. Xfire is as reliable as a statistic, not everybody uses it and I'm not saying it's a good source but it is not as bad as it looks. At least we can have and idea of how the population of any game, swtor in this case is developing, if it goes up or down it will most probably be tha same with the game. Of course is just a guess, but a not too bad one.

No.  X-fire is only reliable as a statistic when measuring the population WITHIN X-fire.  It has no reliability when trying to link it with the population OUTSIDE X-fire.

That is making the assumption that XFire users are not in any way representative of the total population. I dont have a reason to believe it is or it is not, so it may be reliable or it may not. Seeing as we have no other numbers to rely on, it is up to the person to make an guess about XFire being representable or not.

I personally don't see a reason why it should not be.

No.  The only assumption involved is by the people, such as yourself, who try and use the X-fire figures to link it to the population outside of X-fire as your group has NO idea as to the percentage of the gaming population that actually uses X-fire.  That link is critical to link within X-fire population to outside X-fire population.  This is reality.

Yet, your group is assuming there is a link at all.  Facts could be that only 1% of the total gaming population uses X-fire.  Or, 0.5%... or even 0.25%.  Those are extremely small percentages.  Which means the X-fire figures would be completely worthless when it comes to the total gaming population.  And, before you claim that I am saying these are the percentages, I am not... but they could be.

Again, you are the ones that are assuming, not I.

You can use X Fire to spot trending or as an estimation tool. Do keep in mind that US political polls that are widely used usually only sample ~0.0003% of the population.

Then again, its a scientific poll and hits random demographics. We don't know how X Fire user habits and preferences differ from the general population of a specific game.

I would consider X Fire to be reliable enough for the trending. It spotted downward population trends for several games before they switched to F2P models.

Political polls are a part of the total population as ANYONE can chosen to be polled.  Therefore, if the sampling of the poll is done correctly (which, some aren't), then the sample is representative of the total population.

X-fire only allows users of X-fire to participate in data collection.  Since only the users of X-fire are allowed, then no one knows if it is representative of the total gaming population or not.  Therefore, people who constantly use X-fire data as "proof" of the total gaming population are using the data incorrectly for their own benefit as there is no proof that it is representative of the total gaming population.

Souldrainer

I'm still predicting 3 million by Jan 20th and 5 million by July..

Reasons:

#1 SWTOR just came out.. 

#2  Most of the market for this game does not use Xfire.

#3 Xfire has proven to be consistently wrong in the past.

#4  Who in the hell actually uses Xfire?  Xfire is bloatware.

OkhamsRazor

Originally posted by Souldrainer

I'm still predicting 3 million by Jan 20th and 5 million by July..

Reasons:

#1 SWTOR just came out.. 

#2  Most of the market for this game does not use Xfire.

#3 Xfire has proven to be consistently wrong in the past.

#4  Who in the hell actually uses Xfire?  Xfire is bloatware.

I dont think your going to be far wrong there . You only really have to look at the new articles on google about ToR to realise this game is a success not seen on a scale in mmos since Warcraft .

Lots of people in these forums live under the delusion that X-fire is still popular . Most gamers these days havn't even heard of it yet alone use it .

tixylix

I predict millions sell but I also predict only 1 in 3 will subscribe after the first month who bought the game.

Lidane

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by Trixey4795

Just another hater thread served up with an XFire flavour.

Why is it hating to show a link that the game has peaked and is number two in MMORPG rankings?

Because saying the game has peaked at this point is stupid. It just came out 8 days ago, FFS.

Making that kind of definitive statement now is nothing but hate. It has no basis in reality. We won't have a way of knowing how the game is doing until the first free month ends and people actually start getting charged sub fees.

alexmino

I'm not sure what xfire is btw, i've been playing mmos since Ultima.