Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?
At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.
Oh, but you have raids. Try to defeat the hard dynamic events and come back.
Nah, ANet replaced these "so-called" raids with a more difficult form of raiding... WvWVW. 100-man castle raids FTW
... Or more. A lot more.
MMO's played: Ragnarok Online (For years), WoW (for a few weeks only), Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Eve, Allods, Shattered Galaxy, 9 Dragons, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Star Trek Online (Got someone ELSE to pay for it), Champions Online (Someone else paid), Dofus, Dragonica, LOTRO, DDO and more... A LOT more. I've played good AND bad. The bad didn't last long. :P
Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?
At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.
Broaden your mind.
Raiding isn't all that constitutes "content".
Off topic, but you have touched upon a great point. It's kind of pathetic how last-gen outdated, antiquated MMOs have brainwashed the playerbase to immediately equate content with instanced raiding.
Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?
At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.
Broaden your mind.
Raiding isn't all that constitutes "content".
Off topic, but you have touched upon a great point. It's kind of pathetic how last-gen outdated, antiquated MMOs have brainwashed the playerbase to immediately equate content with instanced raiding.
i'm also amazed how they equate raiding with "difficult" or "challenging" when the only real difficulty is arranging a group, keeping them together, and then distributing the loot.
Since when are PvP tournaments everyone's "most important activities"? I admit, GW2 has me excited for PvP more than any other release has before it hit the shelves, but I'm still not a fanatic. If you don't like what the game has to offer, there's always getting ganked in the Abyss of Aion or having people carry you in 85 WoW bg's til you can afford a helmet and some gloves.
But it is what it is. Raids are simply just another carrot on the stick to get suckers, I mean MMO players, to pay for months to come till the next content patch... which is probably another raid.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I suspected this would appear as an issue for discussion after the long threads about the no rewarding gear from pvp or pve affairs of players during their playtime.
It makes sense since the devs choosed to have no gear rewards from pvp tournaments .Their next desicion would be no gear from raids as well. And with no gera rewards from raids who would bother to raid anwy.
It appears though they are going in a way which is risky cause one of the 2 things will happen.
1.Either the player community will embrace that and adventure (mindlesely?) in the wilds since there is no profit for that either ,and play ofc pvp tournaments and after a period of time will get bored from well just doing pvp tournaments aka wow arenas situation..
2.Or just do fast lvling jump str8 ahead to pvp tournaments get burned and bored even faster.
There is always ofc the laydown style enjoy the new areas u discover ,explore the so called random events that alter the world give desicions to the players and make it look like an adventure ,but dont forget .In order for that to happen,you know, the roleplay fewling u can get i mean, live the adventure requires alot of things, tools, continious improvement of the character also ,exploring the world of a game just to see it isnt enough by itself, the greatest thrill is when u explore caves ,mystic locations, tombs,ancient ruins in order to find great tresures and legendary items,shields weapons ect etc thats real deal for adventurers and here sadly its absent and in your most important activities in this game (pvp tournaments),u gonna wear exactly what everyone else wears.
that's what i'm loving about pvp in this game. finally being able to really KNOW how much of my/your fighting ability is skill over gear.
and i like how the idea of much of the endgame rewards can be cosmetic. i mean, stats shouldn't mean anything at that stage. by then we should all be equal in stats because, well, it's endgame. anything you gain from there should be advancing you laterally, rather than providing unfair advantages over everyone else.
Sure thats a good thing for keeping skill factors above! On the other hand though avery low number of players will get busy with anything else. Thats surely a negative factor. U know ,nothing to do than just pvp tournaments?
And btw, its unacceptable a cpmpletely narrow and devs driven themepark called wow to have a way wider list of activities for the players than gw2. I was expecting alot more things to do in the game than wow, not fewer.
And as for the events we all know well they maybe intresting to do them once,twice, but thats it after a point u wont bother to get busy with them.
Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?
At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.
Broaden your mind.
Raiding isn't all that constitutes "content".
Off topic, but you have touched upon a great point. It's kind of pathetic how last-gen outdated, antiquated MMOs have brainwashed the playerbase to immediately equate content with instanced raiding.
i'm also amazed how they equate raiding with "difficult" or "challenging" when the only real difficulty is arranging a group, keeping them together, and then distributing the loot.
Um Raids are far more difficult then your average dungeon and to your average player.
Now I can't help but think you're somewhat of an elistist.
i'm also amazed how they equate raiding with "difficult" or "challenging" when the only real difficulty is arranging a group, keeping them together, and then distributing the loot.
In the current MMO landscape, raiding is challeneging for the first world 10 or 20 guilds that clear the content.
For the rest of the population, the plebs, raiding is a matter of reading guides, watching videos, and hoping the 24 other people with you not play like idiots
Let's not forget the concept of "farming"... dedicating 15+ hours every week for the next 13 weeks doing the same instance every week. This is supposed to be the epitome of fun.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?
At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.
Oh, but you have raids. Try to defeat the hard dynamic events and come back.
Those arn't raids.
That would be like calling Heroics in WoW raids.
And you kind of missed my point. No raids=Less content.
To you maybe. The same dungeon opening up every week, and the amount of time you have to put into getting that epic drop doesn't change the amount of content it actually is.
And I believe IPolygon was talking about the large-scale dyanmic events that can include dozens of people. WoW Heroics are only 5 man.
But it is what it is. Raids are simply just another carrot on the stick to get suckers, I mean MMO players, to pay for months to come till the next content patch... which is probably another raid.
I may sound a little off but I mean this, and I ask that you seriouly answer this honestly.
Whats wrong with rewarding players with content that requires you to form a group of 10 people? And having that content be the driving force behind paying 15$ per month as aposed to GW1 and 2s being hey it b2p.
Keep in mind that Anet is going (from what I heard) the x-pac route with GW2 and not the entirly seperate game that GW1 did, if they expect me to fork out 40USD every 6-12 months (Assuming they don't have content DLCs) they better give me a good deal of content that goes beyond WvWvW and repeatable DE.
Wait. You think raids are awesome and full of content, but you have a problem with repeatable DE's? Is there something I'm missing here? The raids are being replaced with something different, there won't be less content, it will just be more honest and won't require you to give up your life to be a part of it. I see no negative aspects of ANet's decision, but I'm confused by your crusade.
You're repeating content in those traditonal raids! That's all you're doing until the next carrot comes along!
Wait. You think raids are awesome and full of content, but you have a problem with repeatable DE's? Is there something I'm missing here? The raids are being replaced with something different, there won't be less content, it will just be more honest and won't require you to give up your life to be a part of it. I see no negative aspects of ANet's decision, but I'm confused by your crusade.
You're repeating content in those traditonal raids! That's all you're doing until the next carrot comes along!
So now you're telling me that there is no difference between rebeatable DE and raids?
The force is abit too strong for this one guys, might want to let time tell itself lol.
Arguing back in forth won't solve or change any ones mind mainly when unfortunately one hasn't researched he game.
Remember may the common sense be with you and take care.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
The force is abit too strong for this one guys, might want to let time tell itself lol.
Arguing back in forth won't solve or change any ones mind mainly when unfortunately one hasn't researched he game.
Remember may the common sense be with you and take care.
I actually have a (Albit fading now) interest in this game since I heard about its conception back in 06.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I used to be cheerfull waiting for gw2 but the more details i learn about features excluded the more possible i see the chance me playing The path of Exile which after all is completely free and more sandbox style ,than paying euros to anet for gw2.
Wait. You think raids are awesome and full of content, but you have a problem with repeatable DE's? Is there something I'm missing here? The raids are being replaced with something different, there won't be less content, it will just be more honest and won't require you to give up your life to be a part of it. I see no negative aspects of ANet's decision, but I'm confused by your crusade.
You're repeating content in those traditonal raids! That's all you're doing until the next carrot comes along!
So now you're telling me that there is no difference between rebeatable DE and raids?
So there scaleable raids?
Oh there's a world of difference. Raids never change, but depending on who is in an area or where, different stages of massive DE chains could be taking place, or nothing at all. But the fact that you hang onto the traditional ones because they offer prettier trinkets is what gets me. Or .. doesn't get me. I'm still confused. I would never prefer that a company strung me along like they did in WoW just to drain money out of my pocket while I waited another week for the drop I wanted, as opposed to a company whose primary goal is to make sure I have fun, regardless if I win anything or not.
I guess I just don't see raids as a positive thing, and in the game I'm looking forward to, they're replacing them with something that isn't an exercise in frustration. Good news for me, but sorry about your luck. However, the way things are changing ever so slowly, there should be plenty of games that adhere to the old ways for a while.
Can't be the only one who see this as a negative can I?
At the end of the day no raids= Less content to do imo.
Oh, but you have raids. Try to defeat the hard dynamic events and come back.
Those arn't raids.
That would be like calling Heroics in WoW raids.
And you kind of missed my point. No raids=Less content.
Because I'm bored I'll respond to this. A raid doesn't have to have raid frames to be a raid, nor does it have to take place in a different zone or instance. Less content? Really dude? Have you not been keeping up with any of the posts from the devs about how many dynamic events there are? Have you not read about how the dungeons work? Story mode and then a three branch explorable mode. Have you not watched the videos of the boss fights? A raid to me is the amount of people it takes to down these hard bosses (dynamic events). Your point is moot about there being less content because there isn't an option to create "raid" groups or go into an instance where the you fight bosses over and over for countless hours and keep wiping because your healers can't seem to understand that standing in fire is bad, doesn't mean there aren't raids. Please do a little research before you make statements like this. This game is going to have more valuable content than WoW in my opinion. Can I state that as fact? No. I played WoW for six years and I know that it's a bunch of useless quests and the system pretty much caters to those that are hardcore raiders or want to play competitive pvp. I for one am glad that the whole "raid" thing is going bye bye in GW 2. Raids in WoW are some of the most over rated pieces of content I've ever done. Not only that, I've seen a lot of people get elitist type attitudes because they can down a boss which everyone could if they had a good guild as well. Sadly, most guilds are more focused on dps meters and gear scores than the people at the keyboards themselves. I'm sick of elite type thinking in games and the real world. I quit raiding because of the amount of bs people throw at others that can't mash buttons as well as them. I hate how people scoff at those that may be a little under geared and act like they really did something amazing to down the Lich King in Heroic, when really, it takes a whole team and an understanding of the fight. Once you learn the boss mechanics, it's no challenge. The trash pulls just waste everyone's time. Gear becomes the goal, not fun. I'm glad that kind of raiding is gone from this game. I prefer fighting bosses with everyone around me in a raid style where everyone is rewarded according to their contribution and you don't have people getting kicked because their dps was too low. Good riddance stupidity, hello ingenuity.
Anyway, a game can't be for everyone. Some people want certain things in their mmos, such as raiding, that GW2 won't have. If that's what you want then you might not like this game. Not use putting a square into a round hole.
Wait. You think raids are awesome and full of content, but you have a problem with repeatable DE's? Is there something I'm missing here? The raids are being replaced with something different, there won't be less content, it will just be more honest and won't require you to give up your life to be a part of it. I see no negative aspects of ANet's decision, but I'm confused by your crusade.
You're repeating content in those traditonal raids! That's all you're doing until the next carrot comes along!
So now you're telling me that there is no difference between rebeatable DE and raids?
So there scaleable raids?
Oh there's a world of difference. Raids never change, but depending on who is in an area or where, different stages of massive DE chains could be taking place, or nothing at all. But the fact that you hang onto the traditional ones because they offer prettier trinkets is what gets me. Or .. doesn't get me. I'm still confused. I would never prefer that a company strung me along like they did in WoW just to drain money out of my pocket while I waited another week for the drop I wanted, as opposed to a company whose primary goal is to make sure I have fun, regardless if I win anything or not.
I guess I just don't see raids as a positive thing, and in the game I'm looking forward to, they're replacing them with something that isn't an exercise in frustration. Good news for me, but sorry about your luck. However, the way things are changing ever so slowly, there should be plenty of games that adhere to the old ways for a while.
Its very difficult to engage in a conversation with you about this game because you seem to think that everything that ANet has on paper actually works.
Anyway, a game can't be for everyone. Some people want certain things in their mmos, such as raiding, that GW2 won't have. If that's what you want then you might not like this game. Not use putting a square into a round hole.
+1
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
The force is abit too strong for this one guys, might want to let time tell itself lol.
Arguing back in forth won't solve or change any ones mind mainly when unfortunately one hasn't researched he game.
Remember may the common sense be with you and take care.
I actually have a (Albit fading now) interest in this game since I heard about its conception back in 06.
Yes because since I never once looked at gameplay videos or read articals or watched ANets manifesto.
Come on now.
You're missing the point that in '06 ANet released GW: Factions, GW: Nightfall, and began working on a 4th installment called GW: Utopia. GW2 wasn't event a gleam in their eyes in '06. If you wanted to seem as if you were at all knowledgeable on the topic you would have written, "back in '07."
Anyway, a game can't be for everyone. Some people want certain things in their mmos, such as raiding, that GW2 won't have. If that's what you want then you might not like this game. Not use putting a square into a round hole.
+1
I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that I am looking forward to the game.
My interest may pick up again once I get done with TOR and from the looks of it that won't be to long.
But I have ot say if this is what I can expect from the GW2 community come launch, then I am not so sure that I would like ot be apart of it.
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... Or more.
A lot more.
MMO's played: Ragnarok Online (For years), WoW (for a few weeks only), Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Eve, Allods, Shattered Galaxy, 9 Dragons, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Star Trek Online (Got someone ELSE to pay for it), Champions Online (Someone else paid), Dofus, Dragonica, LOTRO, DDO and more... A LOT more. I've played good AND bad. The bad didn't last long. :P
Now I just feel a little insulted.
Raiding is content as is WvWvW.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
i'm also amazed how they equate raiding with "difficult" or "challenging" when the only real difficulty is arranging a group, keeping them together, and then distributing the loot.
Since when are PvP tournaments everyone's "most important activities"? I admit, GW2 has me excited for PvP more than any other release has before it hit the shelves, but I'm still not a fanatic. If you don't like what the game has to offer, there's always getting ganked in the Abyss of Aion or having people carry you in 85 WoW bg's til you can afford a helmet and some gloves.
Sorry, not my intention.
But it is what it is. Raids are simply just another carrot on the stick to get suckers, I mean MMO players, to pay for months to come till the next content patch... which is probably another raid.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
Sure thats a good thing for keeping skill factors above! On the other hand though avery low number of players will get busy with anything else. Thats surely a negative factor. U know ,nothing to do than just pvp tournaments?
And btw, its unacceptable a cpmpletely narrow and devs driven themepark called wow to have a way wider list of activities for the players than gw2. I was expecting alot more things to do in the game than wow, not fewer.
And as for the events we all know well they maybe intresting to do them once,twice, but thats it after a point u wont bother to get busy with them.
Um Raids are far more difficult then your average dungeon and to your average player.
Now I can't help but think you're somewhat of an elistist.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
In the current MMO landscape, raiding is challeneging for the first world 10 or 20 guilds that clear the content.
For the rest of the population, the plebs, raiding is a matter of reading guides, watching videos, and hoping the 24 other people with you not play like idiots
Let's not forget the concept of "farming"... dedicating 15+ hours every week for the next 13 weeks doing the same instance every week. This is supposed to be the epitome of fun.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
To you maybe. The same dungeon opening up every week, and the amount of time you have to put into getting that epic drop doesn't change the amount of content it actually is.
And I believe IPolygon was talking about the large-scale dyanmic events that can include dozens of people. WoW Heroics are only 5 man.
I may sound a little off but I mean this, and I ask that you seriouly answer this honestly.
Whats wrong with rewarding players with content that requires you to form a group of 10 people? And having that content be the driving force behind paying 15$ per month as aposed to GW1 and 2s being hey it b2p.
Keep in mind that Anet is going (from what I heard) the x-pac route with GW2 and not the entirly seperate game that GW1 did, if they expect me to fork out 40USD every 6-12 months (Assuming they don't have content DLCs) they better give me a good deal of content that goes beyond WvWvW and repeatable DE.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Wait. You think raids are awesome and full of content, but you have a problem with repeatable DE's? Is there something I'm missing here? The raids are being replaced with something different, there won't be less content, it will just be more honest and won't require you to give up your life to be a part of it. I see no negative aspects of ANet's decision, but I'm confused by your crusade.
You're repeating content in those traditonal raids! That's all you're doing until the next carrot comes along!
So now you're telling me that there is no difference between rebeatable DE and raids?
So there scaleable raids?
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
The force is abit too strong for this one guys, might want to let time tell itself lol.
Arguing back in forth won't solve or change any ones mind mainly when unfortunately one hasn't researched he game.
Remember may the common sense be with you and take care.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I actually have a (Albit fading now) interest in this game since I heard about its conception back in 06.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Yeah, I smell something off here
I used to be cheerfull waiting for gw2 but the more details i learn about features excluded the more possible i see the chance me playing The path of Exile which after all is completely free and more sandbox style ,than paying euros to anet for gw2.
Oh there's a world of difference. Raids never change, but depending on who is in an area or where, different stages of massive DE chains could be taking place, or nothing at all. But the fact that you hang onto the traditional ones because they offer prettier trinkets is what gets me. Or .. doesn't get me. I'm still confused. I would never prefer that a company strung me along like they did in WoW just to drain money out of my pocket while I waited another week for the drop I wanted, as opposed to a company whose primary goal is to make sure I have fun, regardless if I win anything or not.
I guess I just don't see raids as a positive thing, and in the game I'm looking forward to, they're replacing them with something that isn't an exercise in frustration. Good news for me, but sorry about your luck. However, the way things are changing ever so slowly, there should be plenty of games that adhere to the old ways for a while.
Yes because since I never once looked at gameplay videos or read articals or watched ANets manifesto.
Come on now.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Because I'm bored I'll respond to this. A raid doesn't have to have raid frames to be a raid, nor does it have to take place in a different zone or instance. Less content? Really dude? Have you not been keeping up with any of the posts from the devs about how many dynamic events there are? Have you not read about how the dungeons work? Story mode and then a three branch explorable mode. Have you not watched the videos of the boss fights? A raid to me is the amount of people it takes to down these hard bosses (dynamic events). Your point is moot about there being less content because there isn't an option to create "raid" groups or go into an instance where the you fight bosses over and over for countless hours and keep wiping because your healers can't seem to understand that standing in fire is bad, doesn't mean there aren't raids. Please do a little research before you make statements like this. This game is going to have more valuable content than WoW in my opinion. Can I state that as fact? No. I played WoW for six years and I know that it's a bunch of useless quests and the system pretty much caters to those that are hardcore raiders or want to play competitive pvp. I for one am glad that the whole "raid" thing is going bye bye in GW 2. Raids in WoW are some of the most over rated pieces of content I've ever done. Not only that, I've seen a lot of people get elitist type attitudes because they can down a boss which everyone could if they had a good guild as well. Sadly, most guilds are more focused on dps meters and gear scores than the people at the keyboards themselves. I'm sick of elite type thinking in games and the real world. I quit raiding because of the amount of bs people throw at others that can't mash buttons as well as them. I hate how people scoff at those that may be a little under geared and act like they really did something amazing to down the Lich King in Heroic, when really, it takes a whole team and an understanding of the fight. Once you learn the boss mechanics, it's no challenge. The trash pulls just waste everyone's time. Gear becomes the goal, not fun. I'm glad that kind of raiding is gone from this game. I prefer fighting bosses with everyone around me in a raid style where everyone is rewarded according to their contribution and you don't have people getting kicked because their dps was too low. Good riddance stupidity, hello ingenuity.
2006? Back to the Future?
Anyway, a game can't be for everyone. Some people want certain things in their mmos, such as raiding, that GW2 won't have. If that's what you want then you might not like this game. Not use putting a square into a round hole.
Its very difficult to engage in a conversation with you about this game because you seem to think that everything that ANet has on paper actually works.
You remind me of Ron Paul supporters.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
+1
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
You're missing the point that in '06 ANet released GW: Factions, GW: Nightfall, and began working on a 4th installment called GW: Utopia. GW2 wasn't event a gleam in their eyes in '06. If you wanted to seem as if you were at all knowledgeable on the topic you would have written, "back in '07."
I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that I am looking forward to the game.
My interest may pick up again once I get done with TOR and from the looks of it that won't be to long.
But I have ot say if this is what I can expect from the GW2 community come launch, then I am not so sure that I would like ot be apart of it.
Archeage is looking pretty nice right about now.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.