Perma-banned for using a meme

bigcheeseuk

See you next year.

n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by BloodyViking

Again, a very american reply here...You live in a fantasy world where your great leader  can never do wrong, and you use the same asinine logic in this case. If it quacks like a duck, it more than likely IS a duck. Doesnt matter if you want it to be a swan. Wake up and start thinking for yourself a bit.

It's cute how you keep trying to patronize me and talk down to me. It won't work, though.

The only fantasy around here is the one that assumes that the OP is telling the complete truth about what happened.

Again-- businesses like making money. They're not in the habit of being unreasonable assholes to their customers without a damn good reason. Game developers aren't any different. No one gets perma-banned without giving the CSR a damn good reason to bring down the banhammer.

He has a video and a picture to show you. What do you have beside unlimited faith?

I have a picture and a video to show you of a UFO and some aliens walking out of it. You should believe it because you can clearly see it on the video

I have a video of people landing on the moon. I is a fake? What do you say?

That makes no sense whatsoever. If we follow your logic fake videos doesn't exist. My example at the very least shows it's healthy with a bit of skeptisism. But you go on and believe everything you see online. That's your choice

Straw man.

.. you talk about logic? Really?

Is that the best response you can come up with? A strawman example that doesn't exist? I'm sure if you dug deeper you could find something better or maybe I'm giving you too much credit here

 

 

Please look again.

Hint: it is in red.

Telling you, you have free will is not a strawman. Same way if I were to tell you to go F yourself wouldn't be a strawman either. It's just me telling you, you have options

For the recond I'm not telling you to go F yourself I'm just using it as an example just so we are clear

Haha you have a funny logic. But you know, people have been baned from this forum for much less than this sort of opinion.

Tbh I dont agree with that because everyone is entitled to his own opinion just not to his own facts.

Jimmac

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by Jimmac

Because quite frankly, I don't care if he's over 13 or not. Game developers have the right to decide who gets to use their servers and who gets to have an account and who doesn't, just like any other business.

I know folks who work in CSR and community marketing for big games. They don't ban people -- much less perma-ban someone -- wtihout a damn good reason. Knowing that, I'm not all that inclined to care if someone is or isn't over 13. If a developer thinks they broke the rules and bans them permanently, oh well. 

If they perma-banned him, he violated the TOS. Simple as that.

Wow dude...Bioware could have made a mistake. They easily could have made a mistake and perma banned him without a good reason. We are human and we fuck up plenty. Just because they think he violated the TOS doesn't mean he really did. Bioware thinking he violated the TOS doesn't make it true. Just because they perma banned him doesn't mean he violated the TOS and they very well could have messed up. They aren't perfect. I know, I know, you don't care at all about any of that...Just because you don't care though still doesn't make your argument solid. They could have messed up. They could have perma banned him without good reason. It is undeniable.

We've all acted silly before and joked around...well, most of us anyway. This three word harmless joke is really being blown out of proportion. The logic that "if they perma banned him, he violated the TOS," is frightening at best...

slntnsnty

People who use memes should be banned from life.

Jimmac

Originally posted by Ausare

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They could easily read

- Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of EA Services. Disruptive behavior includes but is not limited to conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within an EA Service. Disruptive behavior shall also include, but not be limited to, commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements.

As being any behavior that causes a CSR to have to verify your information because you might have violated that TOS.  Disurptive behavior is very vague and can cover a lot of stuff.

I could not easily read it like that. A three word harmless joke qualifies as that? Please. You know that is bs. Even if that is Bioware's stated reason, it is obviously bs. If small jokes such as this were disruptive behavior worthy of perma ban, then after about 12 months, the entire population would be perma banned. We all joke around. We all act silly.

Jimmac

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by BloodyViking

 

Bioware acted according to law. Violating the ToS, joke or no joke, is simply stupid and they did the right thing.

I find it hilarious how you go on about EA/Bioware's conduct, yet are perfectly fine with how gamers like this act themselves? Talk about double standards.

A joke isn't a violation of the TOS though. If he is 40 years old, and made that joke, he still hasn't violated the TOS. That's what you guys don't get. If he is older than 13 or whatever the age is he needs to be, then he can't have violated the TOS by stating "I am 12." Stating that is not a violation of the TOS.

Ausare

Originally posted by Jimmac

Originally posted by Ausare

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They could easily read

- Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of EA Services. Disruptive behavior includes but is not limited to conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within an EA Service. Disruptive behavior shall also include, but not be limited to, commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements.

As being any behavior that causes a CSR to have to verify your information because you might have violated that TOS.  Disurptive behavior is very vague and can cover a lot of stuff.

I could not easily read it like that. A three word harmless joke qualifies as that? Please. You know that is bs. Even if that is Bioware's stated reason, it is obviously bs. If small jokes such as this were disruptive behavior worthy of perma ban, then after about 12 months, the entire population would be perma banned. We all joke around. We all act silly.

You can dismiss it all you want.  You wanted what they could use and that pretty much covers anything they want to do.  It is a blanket coverage.  Just because YOU could not read it that way does not mean BW does not use it that way to do what they want.  The disruption was not the joke per se it was the actions that had to be taken because of the joke.  If you walk up to a cop and say you are a killer and the cop takes the report and finds out you are not a killer you are not charged with being a killer but charged with filing a false report.  If you claim to be 12 and the CSR to protect the game have to go out and verify you are not then you have disrupited the CSR's normal schecdual of helping others and now you are disruptive. 

Jason2444

Originally posted by Ausare

He might be he might not be.  If one yells fire in a movie theater one does not have to actually have fire to be guilty.  Causing a disturbance and saying they are 13 is enough to EA.  They do not have to verify or anything.  If they want him gone he is gone.  The fact is that he said he is 13....that is a factual statement.

Please, keep defending Bioware. It's hilarious 

Wickedjelly

Originally posted by Jimmac

A joke isn't a violation of the TOS though. If he is 40 years old, and made that joke, he still hasn't violated the TOS. That's what you guys don't get. If he is older than 13 or whatever the age is he needs to be, then he can't have violated the TOS by stating "I am 12." Stating that is not a violation of the TOS.

They should be used to it by now. Considering how this has supposedly happened with every mmo to come out since god knows when.

I'm sure it will pop up again with the other new releases this year. Same scenario with supposedly the same outcome. For the billionth time.

Makes good theatre for some I suppose.

Jimmac

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by Weretigar

2. So are the other 100's of kids/adults , you goto school with with an attitude like that you will definatly not go as far as the rest of your classmates in the real world. 

I can't count how many times at work  I had to make a customer happy even thou theey were wrong just to keep there buisness. Desktop Publisher at officemax impress service charleston. Seriously you will not go far in human resources without any kind of morals or ethics.

I've got almost 20 years of work experience, including several  years in customer service. I think I know how the real world works, thanks.

I've got plenty of morals and ethics. I also know that a business has the absolute right to decide if they want someone as a customer or not. No game developer or business is obligated to accept someone being a jerk. If I didn't want a loud, obnoxious drunk in my restaurant, I had the right to ask them to leave. Didn't matter if they'd just dropped money on an entree and bottle of wine or whatever. If they were a nuisance, I had the right to make them leave, with or wtihout warning

The same holds true for Bioware, SOE, Blizzard, Trion, CCP, or whoever. They don't have to keep you around as a customer if they don't want you. Players agree to that each time they sign in. Simple as that.

Everyone gets it that they can ban anyone at anytime for anything.

But banning someone for a 3 word joke that doesn't violate the TOS and where the individual otherwise isn't in violation of the TOS was the wrong thing for Bioware to do. It was a bad thing for them to do. He didn't violate the TOS but was banned anyway.

Yup, Bioware can ban him for no reason, and yes Bioware can make mistakes. You don't have to go on and on saying they have the ability to perma ban anyone or that they don't need justification. That's been obvious all along. That still doesn't make it right to perma ban someone who didn't violate the TOS.

Rivalen

Overeacting by the GMs.

But dude, as your Memes would put it... SUCH AN EPIC FAIL!

I'm laughing my ass off, you did something you knew was wrong and expected nothing to come back to you?

*facepalm*

Jimmac

Originally posted by Ausare

Originally posted by Jimmac

 

You can dismiss it all you want.  You wanted what they could use and that pretty much covers anything they want to do.  It is a blanket coverage.  Just because YOU could not read it that way does not mean BW does not use it that way to do what they want.  The disruption was not the joke per se it was the actions that had to be taken because of the joke.  If you walk up to a cop and say you are a killer and the cop takes the report and finds out you are not a killer you are not charged with being a killer but charged with filing a false report.  If you claim to be 12 and the CSR to protect the game have to go out and verify you are not then you have disrupited the CSR's normal schecdual of helping others and now you are disruptive. 

That clause does not cover that joke. Neither does the "actions that had to be taken because of the joke." Bioware's response/actions were a mistake. They messed up. Those messed up actions don't justify the mess up. Your cop analogy is too dissimilar.

We could argue the details of the clause then but I'm sure we're just going to disagree. Suffice it to say that I think it is absolute insanity to claim that a harmless, simple, short joke is disruptive behavior, or to claim that perma banning someone due to theharmless, simple, short joke justifies itself. If someone was perma banned, the perma ban was justified...if you want a cop analogy then what I would say is that this is like saying if the police arrest someone, then that someone is guilty. Of course that is not true.

Ausare

I do not see BW actions as a mistake.  Many others do not either.  That is your opinion.  They banned someone either A) Lying on their forum about their age or a 12 year old on their site.  Frankly either way I see it as being disruptive to BW so they did what companies do...remove the problem by the best means they have.  BW does not have to give anyone anything.  No second chances, no inquires, no benefit of the doubts.

n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Ausare

I do not see BW actions as a mistake.  Many others do not either.  That is your opinion.  They banned someone either A) Lying on their forum about their age or a 12 year old on their site.  Frankly either way I see it as being disruptive to BW so they did what companies do...remove the problem by the best means they have.  BW does not have to give anyone anything.  No second chances, no inquires, no benefit of the doubts.

On the other hand many thinks it is a mistake .

Oh and yes they have to give me what i paid for and yes second chances if they want it or not (read: on court), inquires, forum rants etc. etc.

Cheers.

... and I will write it again: They are not the law they are a game company.

teakbois

Originally posted by Jimmac

 

But banning someone for a 3 word joke that doesn't violate the TOS and where the individual otherwise isn't in violation of the TOS was the wrong thing for Bioware to do. It was a bad thing for them to do. He didn't violate the TOS but was banned anyway.

 

But how does Bioware know its a joke?  He stated he is 12.  There wasnt anything to suggest it was a joke unless you know the meme, which many do not.  As far as Bioware can see, he *did* violate the ToS.

 

The OP has not shown his attempts to appeal (and he is allowed to appeal the ban, which people blindly arguing against Bioware seem to be ignoring).  This is the key as to if Bioware is right or wrong.  If he proves his age and they do not reverse the ban, then ioware is in the wrong.  But instead of filing an appeal he made a video and posted it to who knows how many forums.

StonesDK

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Jimmac

 

But banning someone for a 3 word joke that doesn't violate the TOS and where the individual otherwise isn't in violation of the TOS was the wrong thing for Bioware to do. It was a bad thing for them to do. He didn't violate the TOS but was banned anyway.

 

But how does Bioware know its a joke?  He stated he is 12.  There wasnt anything to suggest it was a joke unless you know the meme, which many do not.  As far as Bioware can see, he *did* violate the ToS.

 

The OP has not shown his attempts to appeal (and he is allowed to appeal the ban, which people blindly arguing against Bioware seem to be ignoring).  This is the key as to if Bioware is right or wrong.  If he proves his age and they do not reverse the ban, then ioware is in the wrong.  But instead of filing an appeal he made a video and posted it to who knows how many forums.

If he appealed .. got it reversed. He wouldn't post about that. It would simply go against the OPs agenda and all of his sheep

Ausare

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Ausare

I do not see BW actions as a mistake.  Many others do not either.  That is your opinion.  They banned someone either A) Lying on their forum about their age or a 12 year old on their site.  Frankly either way I see it as being disruptive to BW so they did what companies do...remove the problem by the best means they have.  BW does not have to give anyone anything.  No second chances, no inquires, no benefit of the doubts.

On the other hand many thinks it is a mistake .

Oh and yes they have to give me what i paid for and yes second chances if they want it or not (read: on court), inquires, forum rants etc. etc.

Cheers.

... and I will write it again: They are not the law they are a game company.

If you read what you agreed to when you started an account they do not.  In their game and forums they are the law.  Just as this site can ban you for whatever they want.  You agreed to join.  You have no right to access you only have the right that they can not come to your house and take back the software you bought.  Does not mean they have to provide you access to their servers.  Welcome to the real world.

Ausare

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Jimmac

 

But banning someone for a 3 word joke that doesn't violate the TOS and where the individual otherwise isn't in violation of the TOS was the wrong thing for Bioware to do. It was a bad thing for them to do. He didn't violate the TOS but was banned anyway.

 

But how does Bioware know its a joke?  He stated he is 12.  There wasnt anything to suggest it was a joke unless you know the meme, which many do not.  As far as Bioware can see, he *did* violate the ToS.

 

The OP has not shown his attempts to appeal (and he is allowed to appeal the ban, which people blindly arguing against Bioware seem to be ignoring).  This is the key as to if Bioware is right or wrong.  If he proves his age and they do not reverse the ban, then ioware is in the wrong.  But instead of filing an appeal he made a video and posted it to who knows how many forums.

If he appealed .. got it reversed. He wouldn't post about that. It would simply go against the OPs agenda and all of his sheep

If he made the video and all these rants before the appeal why would BW want to bring him back.  It is like here openly talking about mod action is against the rules.  Sure it is there too.

Wickedjelly

Yeah...you know what? This happens in every game so lets stop the nonsense this is somehow specific to this game. Not to mention it always has the same outcome so we can end this "fake shock" this is somehow something unique or surprising.

Unless you're somehow new to mmos we've heard and seen this same story forever now. So you can save all your legal advice or reasons to burn this company at the stake because they have all done the same thing in this scenario.

I mean considering the actual legitimate issues you could bring up about this game trying to harp on this is rather pathetic. Not to mention it has been done countless times before.

Frankly, the guy should stay banned as they all should for being a moron if you ask me. How is saying you're underage on a forum even remotely funny anyways?

StonesDK

Originally posted by Ausare

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by Jimmac

 

But banning someone for a 3 word joke that doesn't violate the TOS and where the individual otherwise isn't in violation of the TOS was the wrong thing for Bioware to do. It was a bad thing for them to do. He didn't violate the TOS but was banned anyway.

 

But how does Bioware know its a joke?  He stated he is 12.  There wasnt anything to suggest it was a joke unless you know the meme, which many do not.  As far as Bioware can see, he *did* violate the ToS.

 

The OP has not shown his attempts to appeal (and he is allowed to appeal the ban, which people blindly arguing against Bioware seem to be ignoring).  This is the key as to if Bioware is right or wrong.  If he proves his age and they do not reverse the ban, then ioware is in the wrong.  But instead of filing an appeal he made a video and posted it to who knows how many forums.

If he appealed .. got it reversed. He wouldn't post about that. It would simply go against the OPs agenda and all of his sheep

If he made the video and all these rants before the appeal why would BW want to bring him back.  It is like here openly talking about mod action is against the rules.  Sure it is there too.

Money is money. The point is the OP has an agenda and if this was reversed you would never hear about it. This serves as attempting to cast fuel on a fire,  

Lidane

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Oh and yes they have to give me what i paid for 

No they don't. You agree that they don't have to every time you sign in to the game.

Read the TOS sometime. It's all there.

n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Ausare

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Ausare

I do not see BW actions as a mistake.  Many others do not either.  That is your opinion.  They banned someone either A) Lying on their forum about their age or a 12 year old on their site.  Frankly either way I see it as being disruptive to BW so they did what companies do...remove the problem by the best means they have.  BW does not have to give anyone anything.  No second chances, no inquires, no benefit of the doubts.

On the other hand many thinks it is a mistake .

Oh and yes they have to give me what i paid for and yes second chances if they want it or not (read: on court), inquires, forum rants etc. etc.

Cheers.

... and I will write it again: They are not the law they are a game company.

If you read what you agreed to when you started an account they do not.  In their game and forums they are the law.  Just as this site can ban you for whatever they want.  You agreed to join.  You have no right to access you only have the right that they can not come to your house and take back the software you bought.  Does not mean they have to provide you access to their servers.  Welcome to the real world.

I dont need your glasses I have mine thanks.

In the real world there are people who make mistakes. Some $mistakes are intentional some are not. When I agree the the EULA or something similar I dont agree that they can do as they please or that they are infallible. I hope you understand that they are not above the law. They must respect the agrement too.

 

 

Lidane

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

He has a video and a picture to show you. What do you have beside unlimited faith?

Experience at a game company. Perma-bans aren't thrown down for something that small. There is ALWAYS more to the story.

The OP is just like plenty of other people who get banned for something, then try to minimize their actions in order to make the developers look unreasonable.

Kalmarth

So if you went into a police station and told them you had commited a crime and they arrested you, joke or not your the idiot, conrgats one less idiot play ToR you have made my day, oh and good work Bioware for following your rules and inforcing them, whats the point in having them if there not inforced

Again Thank you, thanks you, thank you, your idoicy may just become a meme one day

 

n3v3rriv3r

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r

Oh and yes they have to give me what i paid for 

No they don't. You agree that they don't have to every time you sign in to the game.

Read the TOS sometime. It's all there.

Hmm what the... I never mentioned  when or how many times or ... what are you trying to say?