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And you are entitled to your belief, as I am to mine.
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I thought the same sex thing was because guys tend to roll female characters and didn't want to be forced to 'romance' the dudes on their ships?
The issue is not about religion but about what is acceptable.
There is a rating on the game, and that rating should mean something.
I prefer an adult rating since I am an adult, however, i can be a video gamer that role plays with other people. I go with trends, and the fashion but still living by good principles. Good thing, in the states they have awesome principles, but the fashion and trends will vary person to person, and place to place.
Anyhow, the issue is not about religion but mature elements in the game, and which ones fit.
It is different to have homosexual activity in a game since it makes the idea of sex appear to be more of a casual theme than something that should be restrained among kids, by making it seem mainstream. Restraint is an important lesson for kids to learn, although the game as other mature themes as well, the idea of sexuality is not something as evident to a young person as doing harm to another, which means it is like robbing them of thier identity by suggesting something that they are becuase they are still developinhg thier idendity due to a lack of expericne. So the idea makes them question their sexuality a lot more than they should.
The same with religion. People will argue it is wrong to expose kids to religion since it robs them of something important, for example thier individuality, and with the same logic it applies to certain ideas which kids have not matured to experience. However, the ideas of religion vary depending on relgion and teachers, but the ideas of homosexuality are that if it is to be accepted, sex becomes a more casual thing that something that is not of sin. Which makes things more obscure for a child.
The reason for that is becuase depending on the kids situation, they might be associating with more of the same gender than the opposite, which is normal becuase parents assume kids fit thier gender roles. That is, boys will be boys and do what boys do. What is not expected is boys being causal to the idea of sex and experminting with it with thier friends of the same gender.
Now, the issue this game is going against the norms, and it wont necessarily make people gay, but it will set a trend among those minds which can take a strong impression from something they spend a lot of time doing.
So the question then beccomes: is it fair to expose kids to something that is not normal for thier age, and goes against what the expectations are of the society. Since if we expose the youth to these ideas it will make them view the ideas of sex more casually. Also the argument against bullying of gay people is not fair, since the gay activists exploit bullying to only happen to people becuase they are gay. Which further reinforces that idea of sexuality into the youth becuase of certain ideas being mainstream, for example when people say gay kids get bullied, and then a bullied kid will think they are gay and begin to believe it.
The good that comes from this is possibly people are less offended by homosexuality, but by doing this they put gay 'porn' next to what the majority is exposed to anyways for a certain rating. Also things should be noted about bi-curiouis people, and how people expierment beciuase the ideas of sex do not matter as an example that people do not do things becuase they are only gay but becuase they are still discovering themselves. Again, this introduction of same gender, sets a new trend for some, and what ever principle it goes against would be the harm that it causes by introducing a theme which is not nesscary to portray when illustrating the idea of romances being good, or bad.
If anything women should be glad that they are not portrayed as the the lure to the darkside among men only. That it is more about the inner feelings that exist from both parties. However, in a game that has a certain rating, it should also mean something and that something goes with the norms. I find it stange if BW keeps the same rating on thier game by introducing same gender romances in thier game.
I also see people using religion as a scape goat to avoid the topic about respecting ratings, and the concequnces of ignoring them. People already live in a society that already has boundaries for kids when it comes to sex. So how is it different here in a game?
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I'm confused. I thought it was well known that most of the Republic are gay.
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Nice try luring poeple to the dark side.
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Sexual orientation is not as cut and clear as other forms of discrimination. Because of that it is not clear that they should be given a special 'don't talk about it' status like blacks did in the 70s, Hispanics in the 80s, fat people in the 90s, and now gay people in the new millennium.
When you are born of a race or gender it is genetic coded. When you are born with a thyroid problem you are basically, born fat.
But can you actually be born to exhibit social behavior? That's basically what people argue. Vets and animal herders treat homosexuality in animals as a genetic disease that can be cured with hormone treatments and medications. These same options are available in people and they do work, we just choose not to use it.
Homosexuals are a lot like the Vatican, they hate science. Every time new science comes out that tells us something about homosexuality they don't like it. Over and over science calls homosexuality 'mean' terms and homosexuals get upset and refuse the science. It's kind of like how we used to called developmentally challenged people mentally retarded but can't say that anymore.
The main reason that homosexuals have presumably not existed in the Star Wars universe is not because of George Lucas' hate for gay people but because presumably the medical technology in this universe has 'cured' the universe of homosexuality. There is even a post-Ep 6 book series and in it they create a male character who to save his life is put into the body of another, a female. So for a little bit there is a female-female lesbian relationship.... that dies off pretty quickly.
The problem with having homosexuality in a game is not even the homosexuality itself... its the sex. If you are gay it is implied that being being gay you are having gay sex. This means in order to intonate that you are homosexual you need to find a way of stating that you are having gay sex. It's not something well fitted in a game that isn't supposed to be rated M.
There are many places in the game where you as an adult can guess that there is a homosexual relationship. I ran into a bounty hunter who had this odd little friend who he was especially nice to, despite being this big bad man. It is pretty clear they have a homosexual relationship if you see it as an adult. As a child you will just see that they're very good friends.
I can honestly say I don't think homosexuality has any place in SWTOR. I'm happy that when I tried to give courting gifts to my same sex crew members they rejected it.
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i dont mind if same gender romance is implemented or not in Swtor but.... If same gender romance will affect kids negatively and for that reason it cannot be added to the game, might as well remove combat from the game because it makes kids believe that killing people is fun... I dont see the problem with same gender romance in a game but i wont die if its not there
sigh.....
I cancelled the billing on the game a week ago.This issue would have caused me to cancel.....but the games thoughtless design got to me before this issue resurfaced.
There was this long....massive...throbbing...thread on the TOR forums about this.
But I'm not going to exhume the horse carcass here. The damn thing is too heavy.
As usual the religious group got it wrong. Again. Same-sex options are NOT in the game. The devs said it would be implemented 'in the future'. When (or if) it will actually go into the game remains to be seen.
As for these religious groups and their views, Shakespeare said it best:
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. - Marie Curie
there's been same sex relationships in many of biowares games.. i liked the ones in dragon age was funny stuff.. either way whats there stance on beastiality? I was hoping for some Khem lovin he is my sexy beast after all or is that alien lovin? what's the term for that?
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Im homosexual. and after reading about what and what not was being added to the game at the launch, I ended up buying it. I hadnt planned on picking it up though for the very reason of Bioware talking down against what makes me me, but after hearing that wasnt the case and that they would touch on the issue in a reasonable manner I bought the game.
Homosexuality is the most beatifull thing Iv ever known. If some one or some group of people are ruining that part of me which makes my life great then I simply wont buy there product or ignore them or fight for my rights.
God forbid he actually played through the game as an Imperial sith taking darkside choices. I think it might just blow his mind.
These groups are the trolls of the society and yes the force is on their side .... the dark one.
I find it kinda funny that the game get's more content that allows homosexuals to play the way they want - and as answer to that some fanatics start to remind others 'how bad homosexuality is'
So much for "the land of the free"
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The society of the United States and its family values have been going down the drain for quite awhile.
What's the issue?
Didn't Faith+1 (South Park parody christian band) have a song on your knees for Jesus?
Thse extremists don't want a "land of the free". They want a Dominion.
Yes extremists, typical attack on those with certain religious beliefs but those that might have certain sexual preferences that if practised by all would lead to extinction. Quit trying to re-write traditional marriage.
The rating is for 16 years and older. A player got banned for saying he was 14 on the forums.
If your kid doesnt know about sex (both heterosexual and homosexual) by the time they are 16... theres something wrong. Its out there, everywhere.
Not to mention that there are already heterosexual relationships in the game. Why should a heterosexual relationship get a lower age cut off than a homosexual one?
Games and media such as TV and movies dont turn people gay, theres plenty of kids now that grew up watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy that didnt turn into flaming homosexuals. People either are gay, or they arent, having the content in a game is just about choice and equality rather than some evil brainwashing device for the youth of today by the secret homosexual superiority society. Gay people find out who they are attracted to at puberty, the same as everyone else. Its not a choice.
As for religion...
People frame the whole gay issue in religious terms and quote the Bible. These same Bibles have been used in the past to justify slavery, to deny men of colour the right to vote, to deny women the right to vote and to try to deny inter-racial couples the right to marry.
As we all now know, the Bible was wrong on these issues. Fundamentalists have been on the wrong side of history over and over again and it seems to me they are on the wrong side when it comes to equal rights for gays and lesbians.
By adding content like this into games and media like TV and Movies, its telling your kids that its OK to be exactly who they are. Would you rather that gay kids hate themselves and commit suicide because the whole world hates them for what they were born as?
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Way to much assuming on your part man and I'll just stop there so this thread is not highjacked into an "Equal Rights" thread.
Oh, here we go again. I wonder how long the thread will last this time.
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in the UK we've had same sex marriages for ages . No one bats and eyelid over it anymore and what adults get upto is really thier own buisness . Having same sex marriages in a game might treat tolerance so I've no problem with it . Thankfully only about 3-4 million people out of 70 million people attend church in the UK so much of its influence has gone now . I think we are quite different from America in that respect . Don't you guys have the Bliblcal creation story taught as fact in many of your schools rather than natural selection now ? To me that seems the first signs of a society backsliding into fundamentalism . More people have been killed in the name of christ than the devil perhaps christians should remember that before casting stones .
Aside from the assumption that kids should know about sex by the age of 16, there wasnt a single assumption in my post.