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Star Wars same sex marriage in game? Found this video in a Christian Youtube channel

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  • PNM_JenningsPNM_Jennings Member UncommonPosts: 1,093

    Originally posted by MMOGamer71

    Originally posted by illorion


    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by Zuuz


    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by Zuuz


    Originally posted by inzane3

    LOTS OF STUFF GETS SAID

    how did this thread get to gay marriage? no one get's married in swtor. they have relationships. i really don't see how this gay marriage debate is constructive or pertinent at all.

    EDIT: just snipped out the quotes to shrink this down

  • mrw0lfmrw0lf Member Posts: 2,269

    Many of these pseudo regious types with their "doesn't bother me so long as it's done in the privacy of their homes and they don't push their agenda down other peoples throat" rhetoric would probably do quite well to remember thats how a lot of us feel about their delusional religious beliefs.

     

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  • illorionillorion Member Posts: 467

    Originally posted by parrotpholk

    Originally posted by illorion

    You know what else are thousand year old traditions that ended up being wrong?

    Slavery

    Believing that natual occurances like lightning were the result of gods.

    Believing left handed people where of the devil.

    Bloodletting for the treatment of illnesses.

    Dictatorship Monarchies.

    Arranged Marriages.

    Sacrificing Live Animals.

    just to name a few... but yes... you are right. Tradition makes everything correct.

     

    Way to see the extremes.  You cannot ever force acceptance down someones throat no matter what you quote or how rational your side is.  Most of those things you mention also still exist so to some twisted folks those things are not proven wrong.  

    Yeah well back in the day these thing where not extreme.... not at all... they were accepted as part of everday life. 

    Im sure that when women and black where given the right to vote there where lots of discussion going on similar to this one, discussions about "tradition" and whats "natural" but in reality its just ignorance... plain and simple.

    No one is forcing you to accept anything, but at the same time you can't go to a public forum and say something that basically equates to "i belive in freedom as long as what people are free to do doesn't gross me out... then it should be illegal" and not expect to catch some flak from other memeber of the public.

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  • feacfeac Member UncommonPosts: 127

    i remember now why i aint into jesus and all that dodgy stuff, didnt god make everything and everyone if so then he made SWTOR in a roundabout way so in game same sex relationships must be ok. :D

    let me guess that was the devil ?

  • Cameo3Cameo3 Member Posts: 219

    I believe there should be some sort of parental control feature or in game toggle. That toggle makes your game gay or not gay. A simple rinse and release mentality.

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  • illorionillorion Member Posts: 467

    Originally posted by Incomparable

    Originally posted by illorion

    You know what else are thousand year old traditions that ended up being wrong?

    Slavery

    Believing that natual occurances like lightning were the result of gods.

    Believing left handed people where of the devil.

    Bloodletting for the treatment of illnesses.

    Dictatorship Monarchies.

    Arranged Marriages.

    Sacrificing Live Animals.

    just to name a few... but yes... you are right. Tradition makes everything correct.

     

    I dont beleive in arranged marriage per se, but you cant just generalize. It is only wrong when the parties feel forced into the situaiton but if the situation is normal... then what is the issue? The issue then becomes the western world rediculing it, and making it seem wrong, when dating people can be very harsh and people get hurt over it. So arranged marriages has its faults, but at least it gives people a chance to find love.

    Where as in a society where no one can help you find a mate, not even those websites, which are like arranged marriages finding the right match up without knowing the person becomes a very problematic situaiotn for some.

    Thats a whole different situation since either 'tradition' have ways of making people live happily together, and both can result in problems.

    The question then becomes which is better. That is the point, it is situational. Why force someone to not try for an arranged marriage if either party agrees. Or force someone to be forever alone becuase they are in capable of finding someone to your surivial of the fittest tradition.

    C'mon man... you know that not what i meant.

    It was the whole "damn... we had a useless girl insteand of a son... hey you... we will pay you money to take our 13 year old daughter off our hands and make her your wife" that i was talking about... people do what you are talking about all the time... its called mail order brides and eharmony

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  • TheFirst109TheFirst109 Member UncommonPosts: 182

    Originally posted by MMOGamer71

    Originally posted by Zuuz


    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by Zuuz


    Originally posted by inzane3

    Homosexuality should just be kept out of the game. Why piss of a group of religious people and that includes: Christian, Jews and Muslims. It's only going to lead to loss of revenue...

     

    You want to engage in gay acts go ahead, it's your private choice, but PLEASE keep it out of games!

    Firstly, I don't think we should be too worried about those groups of religious people being pissed off, as there is very little substance to their thoughts. There are very few serious arguments against homosexuality and unless these groups come up with a good one I don't think the mere fact that they are 'pissed off' warrants any concern with their feelings.

    Just thousands of years of human history and what "marriage" is defined as, and it is not a right.

    dude, people have been having gay sex forever. so have other species as a matter of fact.

    the way i see it is one group is going to get p.o.ed in this little drama: the religious types because it's in the game, or the gay rights types if it's not. simple. bioware has said they're going to put it in though so if you want wail and gnash your teeth, whatever. that's your right. just don't go thinking that it's something weird that humans came up with just now to piss you off. 'cause it's not.

    gay sex = same sex marriage........................uh ok, you miss the point and the boat it seems.

    Contrary to what you may think, marriage wasn't somehow 'invented' by christians. A marriage is a social or legal union in whatever shape, differing from culture to culture. It is therefore very directly linked with the beliefs of these cultures. To say that marriage is simply defined as being a union between man and woman is being blind to cultural history.

    List 5 cultures that define marriage as NOT man + woman.

     

    /waiting

    I can double your request and name ten countries in the world where marriage is defined as a union between two consenting adults regardless of whether they be man + woman, man + man, or woman + woman:

     ArgentinaBelgiumCanadaIcelandthe NetherlandsNorwayPortugalSpainSouth Africa, and Sweden

    Please stop trying to make all of America look bad with your continued ignorance. Not everyone lives in a bubble like you seem to. This may come as a shock to you, but society progresses over time to better itself. It may seem slow in certain parts of the world, and different cultures will take time to catch up to others, but progress is happening. You cannot stop it, and it will not be stopped. Ancient Greece was far ahead of it's time in societal norms, and it has taken us a long time to recover from the setbacks of religion to get back to where we used to be. 

    Progress is being made in all forms. Marriage used to be defined as to where a man of one race couldn't marry a woman of another race. Things change, we get better as a culture. The Catholic Church locked away our greatest scientists for discovering that the Earth does indeed revolve around the Sun, contrary to what their faith proclaimed at the time. Things change, we get better as a culture. Eventually the United States will nationally allow same sex marriage, even if there are people who would not see it so. A majority can't deny the rights of the minority forever.

  • illorionillorion Member Posts: 467

    Originally posted by Cameo3

    I believe there should be some sort of parental control feature or in game toggle. That toggle makes your game gay or not gay. A simple rinse and release mentality.

     

    It''s already in game...

    It's called the  "dont say homo things to anders and he wont try to get you to pound his man ass" system.

    It's a genious system really... all you have to do to make the game not gay is not to say gay things to npc's of the same sex...

    innovation!

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  • Cameo3Cameo3 Member Posts: 219

    It's funny that you mention South Africa. Most African nations require a gay man/couple to be stoned outside the city and / or spend life in prison if ever caught in the act.

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  • Cameo3Cameo3 Member Posts: 219


    Originally posted by illorion

    Originally posted by Cameo3
    I believe there should be some sort of parental control feature or in game toggle. That toggle makes your game gay or not gay. A simple rinse and release mentality.
     
    It''s already in game...
    It's called the  "dont say homo things to anders and he wont try to get you to pound his man ass" system.
    It's a genious system really... all you have to do to make the game not gay is not to say gay things to npc's of the same sex...
    innovation!

    Not good enough, I want my world to be gay free, which it would be w/ that simple little toggle.

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  • caractaccaractac Member UncommonPosts: 11

    HA HA HA! Joke is on them. One of my Avatars was one Half of the happy couple of the very first marriage in SWG (a game that did have marriage with rings you found on mobs and were recorded on the char. fax pop-up for everyone to read), a LESBIAN COUPLE! That was in 2003! HA HA HA!

  • Cameo3Cameo3 Member Posts: 219


    Originally posted by caractac
    HA HA HA! Joke is on them. One of my Avatars was one Half of the happy couple of the very first marriage in SWG (a game that did have marriage with rings you found on mobs and were recorded on the char. fax pop-up for everyone to read), a LESBIAN COUPLE! That was in 2003! HA HA HA!


    ...and you're still "rejoicing" over it. *facepalmdesk*

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by inzane3
    Homosexuality should just be kept out of the game. Why piss of a group of religious people and that includes: Christian, Jews and Muslims. It's only going to lead to loss of revenue...
     
    You want to engage in gay acts go ahead, it's your private choice, but PLEASE keep it out of games!


    Why? So people can pretend it doesn't exist? If we're going to protect people from things they shouldn't see, why are we playing games where the primary method of advancement is by killing hundreds or thousands of virtual people? If virtual murder isn't at all morally iffy, then I fail to see how gay behavior is at all iffy. Especially since other people could watch me go on a virtual murder spree, but they can't watch me go on a virtual sex marathon. For that matter, I don't think I can even watch myself do that. The screen just goes black for awhile and you have to think to yourself "something happens...I hope it was good" and then you're back.

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  • illorionillorion Member Posts: 467

    Originally posted by Cameo3

     




    Originally posted by illorion





    Originally posted by Cameo3

    I believe there should be some sort of parental control feature or in game toggle. That toggle makes your game gay or not gay. A simple rinse and release mentality.

     






    It''s already in game...

    It's called the  "dont say homo things to anders and he wont try to get you to pound his man ass" system.

    It's a genious system really... all you have to do to make the game not gay is not to say gay things to npc's of the same sex...

    innovation!




     

    Not good enough, I want my world to be gay free, which it would be w/ that simple little toggle.

    ... okay... if you followed what I said... where exactly would their still be "gay" in your game?

    It's not like the other player characters are banging each other in the butt in the middle of the streets of corescant or something...

     

    "Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"

  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641

    Originally posted by thexrated

    Since it can be avoided with the dialogue options, I do not see what is the point of this. Typical fundamentalist rhetoric.

     

    Yup. QFT.

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  • mrw0lfmrw0lf Member Posts: 2,269

    Originally posted by Cameo3

     




    Originally posted by illorion





    Originally posted by Cameo3

    I believe there should be some sort of parental control feature or in game toggle. That toggle makes your game gay or not gay. A simple rinse and release mentality.

     






    It''s already in game...

    It's called the  "dont say homo things to anders and he wont try to get you to pound his man ass" system.

    It's a genious system really... all you have to do to make the game not gay is not to say gay things to npc's of the same sex...

    innovation!




     

    Not good enough, I want my world to be gay free, which it would be w/ that simple little toggle.

    I want my real world moron free, I guess we'll both continue to live in hope.

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  • Cameo3Cameo3 Member Posts: 219


    Originally posted by mrw0lf


    Originally posted by Cameo3
     
    Not good enough, I want my world to be gay free, which it would be w/ that simple little toggle.

    I want my real world moron free, I guess we'll both continue to live in hope.


    Oh boy, gays can have their chests beaming with bright rainbow rays but hell will freeze over if someone talk against such things. Fail.

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  • Cameo3Cameo3 Member Posts: 219

    I just want to point out a true poll/topic with people who aren't censored in their views on gays: http://news.mmosite.com/content/2011-09-13/swtor_will_have_same_sex_romance_after_launch.shtml

    Notice how the community there responds.

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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,150

    Originally posted by lalartu

    someone else reported on this recently saying that the whole homosexual romance thing was because one of the SWTOR writers (already forgot her name...) loves to put this stuff in BioWare games. 

     

    it's as if she's obsessed with the topic and needs to put it into every single title.

    I personally think it's due to her lack of imagination and some weird need to stir the controversy, but that's just me.

    That seems odd since at first they said they would not have it and there was a lot of anger over that. . so they decided to add it.  They said they would need to do a lot of voice over work to make it happen so I doubt that it was planned from the start.  It was in reaction to negative feed-back for not having it.  You're always going to upset someone I guess. 

     

    I guess people who are opposed can just . . not chose to do that and there won't be an issue.   I have not played so I can't say but would that stuff not be limited to the person playing that character through cut scnenes etc?  If kids chose to do this in game then they already think it is a good idea. . the game is not going to change their sexual preference.

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  • mrw0lfmrw0lf Member Posts: 2,269

    Originally posted by Cameo3

     




    Originally posted by mrw0lf





    Originally posted by Cameo3

     

    Not good enough, I want my world to be gay free, which it would be w/ that simple little toggle.






    I want my real world moron free, I guess we'll both continue to live in hope.



     



    Oh boy, gays can have their chests beaming with bright rainbow rays but hell will freeze over if someone talk against such things. Fail.

    When your view is a request for an option to support prejudice, I hope to everyone elses god there are people freeze your hell over.

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  • illorionillorion Member Posts: 467

    Originally posted by Cameo3

     




    Originally posted by mrw0lf





    Originally posted by Cameo3

     

    Not good enough, I want my world to be gay free, which it would be w/ that simple little toggle.






    I want my real world moron free, I guess we'll both continue to live in hope.



     



    Oh boy, gays can have their chests beaming with bright rainbow rays but hell will freeze over if someone talk against such things. Fail.

    At first I thought you where actually contributing to the thread... but you are just trolling... please stop it.

    If you dont have anything significant to contribute to your argument of anti-homosexuality besides poping in every few posts to type one sentance of nonsense... then please stop posting.

    If anything you are only hurting those that believe as you do. 

    We are typing out decently well constructed arguments and you are just posting to "hee-haw" like a donkey.

    Either post something meaningful or GTFO

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  • Cameo3Cameo3 Member Posts: 219

    Yea no more group romance arcs nor any romance cut scenes view able then just your own PC/NPC.

    Also, they have strictly two options now via twitter updates, a handshake & fade to black (guys) or a kiss & fade to black (women.)

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  • illorionillorion Member Posts: 467

    Originally posted by Aethaeryn

    Originally posted by lalartu

    someone else reported on this recently saying that the whole homosexual romance thing was because one of the SWTOR writers (already forgot her name...) loves to put this stuff in BioWare games. 

     

    it's as if she's obsessed with the topic and needs to put it into every single title.

    I personally think it's due to her lack of imagination and some weird need to stir the controversy, but that's just me.

    That seems odd since at first they said they would not have it and there was a lot of anger over that. . so they decided to add it.  They said they would need to do a lot of voice over work to make it happen so I doubt that it was planned from the start.  It was in reaction to negative feed-back for not having it.  You're always going to upset someone I guess. 

     

    I guess people who are opposed can just . . not chose to do that and there won't be an issue.   I have not played so I can't say but would that stuff not be limited to the person playing that character through cut scnenes etc?  If kids chose to do this in game then they already think it is a good idea. . the game is not going to change their sexual preference.

    Like i said before... if it is just one chick that does it in all the game... then IMO she is probably just one of those chicks that really likes to see dudes get it on. Some chicks are like that ya know... its weird... but in anycase she ends up having to add girl on girl later as well... which..... is OKAYYYYYYY in my book

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  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Member UncommonPosts: 1,988

    Originally posted by TheFirst109

    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by Zuuz


    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by MMOGamer71


    Originally posted by Zuuz


    Originally posted by inzane3

    Homosexuality should just be kept out of the game. Why piss of a group of religious people and that includes: Christian, Jews and Muslims. It's only going to lead to loss of revenue...

     

    You want to engage in gay acts go ahead, it's your private choice, but PLEASE keep it out of games!

    Firstly, I don't think we should be too worried about those groups of religious people being pissed off, as there is very little substance to their thoughts. There are very few serious arguments against homosexuality and unless these groups come up with a good one I don't think the mere fact that they are 'pissed off' warrants any concern with their feelings.

    Just thousands of years of human history and what "marriage" is defined as, and it is not a right.

    dude, people have been having gay sex forever. so have other species as a matter of fact.

    the way i see it is one group is going to get p.o.ed in this little drama: the religious types because it's in the game, or the gay rights types if it's not. simple. bioware has said they're going to put it in though so if you want wail and gnash your teeth, whatever. that's your right. just don't go thinking that it's something weird that humans came up with just now to piss you off. 'cause it's not.

    gay sex = same sex marriage........................uh ok, you miss the point and the boat it seems.

    Contrary to what you may think, marriage wasn't somehow 'invented' by christians. A marriage is a social or legal union in whatever shape, differing from culture to culture. It is therefore very directly linked with the beliefs of these cultures. To say that marriage is simply defined as being a union between man and woman is being blind to cultural history.

    List 5 cultures that define marriage as NOT man + woman.

     

    /waiting

    I can double your request and name ten countries in the world where marriage is defined as a union between two consenting adults regardless of whether they be man + woman, man + man, or woman + woman:

     ArgentinaBelgiumCanadaIcelandthe NetherlandsNorwayPortugalSpainSouth Africa, and Sweden

    Please stop trying to make all of America look bad with your continued ignorance. Not everyone lives in a bubble like you seem to. This may come as a shock to you, but society progresses over time to better itself. It may seem slow in certain parts of the world, and different cultures will take time to catch up to others, but progress is happening. You cannot stop it, and it will not be stopped. Ancient Greece was far ahead of it's time in societal norms, and it has taken us a long time to recover from the setbacks of religion to get back to where we used to be. 

    Progress is being made in all forms. Marriage used to be defined as to where a man of one race couldn't marry a woman of another race. Things change, we get better as a culture. The Catholic Church locked away our greatest scientists for discovering that the Earth does indeed revolve around the Sun, contrary to what their faith proclaimed at the time. Things change, we get better as a culture. Eventually the United States will nationally allow same sex marriage, even if there are people who would not see it so. A majority can't deny the rights of the minority forever.

    So since 2001 10 countries in the entire recorded human history of thousands of years and hundreds of generations have same sex marriage.  Seems like that is very little "progress".

    Also just stop the personal attacks, you may not agree with my (the majorities) point of view but that is not a reason for them.

    Not such thing as "gay rights"

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    Originally posted by Cameo3

    I believe there should be some sort of parental control feature or in game toggle. That toggle makes your game gay or not gay. A simple rinse and release mentality.

     

    You know I usually stay out of RL view-point topics like this, but I have to ask, if you can't hide it from them in real life, what difference does it make in a video game? They're going to be exposed to it regardless, sheltering helps nothing, it only deepens the issues of discrimination, and ignorance.

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