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Why the hate? First impressions are really good.

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  • Entropy14Entropy14 Member UncommonPosts: 675

    Haters will hate , they say they hate korean games, well lets look atthe NA games, oh wait they all have been pretty much crap as well.

     

    Think most are just burnt out on games, or getting too old, but need their drug.

  • VhalnVhaln Member Posts: 3,159

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Faction less system?  Who cares?  Not many.  If anything people want 3 factions, not none

     

    Yeah, not sure how this is a plus.  I'm not even sure this game will be able to replace Aion, for people who like that sort of thing.

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • NBlitzNBlitz Member Posts: 1,904

    It's Asian, it's not GW2, it's not SWTOR.

    If you like the game, I would avoid forums as much as possible until 1-2 months after the game has released.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Actually forums such as this right now are pretty quiet. You'll get a better representation of opinions once the weekend is over. Right now only the people who can't play or won't play the game put their input. Make of it what you will.

  • rexzshadowrexzshadow Member Posts: 1,428

    Basically from all the post i can see is this. All the hate comes from people who don't like the game period, doesn't matter if they play it or not they don't like it and will not like it even if they tried the game or not. And to be honest i'm fine with that, everyone has their own taste. Some don't like the art, or don't like the combat, or don't like the quest, or etc... Hey personal choice no problem there. The problem is all these people take their personal perference as truth, so if they don't like it than the game must suck and no one else would like it beside the raving fanboys. That pretty much sums everything up, so if you don't like it for whatever reason fine good for you GTFO, obviouls there good amount of people that disagree with your view very strongly that this game fails. And no matter what we say you probably won't change you mind so i won't bother. So just GTFO.

     

    Also PvP server was awesome, guild war are 24hrs long and my guild got warred and warred other guild. After the big guild fights was over (we won) i constantly ran in to enemy guild during quest and has fun killing them and getting killed =D Now only if my computer freaken render the character quicker XD

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Actually forums such as this right now are pretty quiet. You'll get a better representation of opinions once the weekend is over. Right now only the people who can't play or won't play the game put their input. Make of it what you will.

    In the last two pages of this thread I see 5 posts that could be considered negative.  I see 12 posts that would be considered positive.  Seems like your little theory may be incorrect.

  • RaysheRayshe Member UncommonPosts: 1,279

    I have no hate for this game. i would need to learn more about it to hate it. really its not in competition with the game im following (TSW) so really have at it.

    Because i can.
    I'm Hopeful For Every Game, Until the Fan Boys Attack My Games. Then the Knives Come Out.
    Logic every gamers worst enemy.

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by rexzshadow

     The problem is all these people take their personal perference as truth,

    you just described the pro TERA people.

     

    FActionless sytem is amazing

    No tab target is what every wanted

    graphics and combat are the main things people want in an MMO

     

    This is the kind of shit people are posting as facts.  Guess what, when you say stuff like that you are going to get a dose of reality handed to you, its the nature of the internet.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Actually forums such as this right now are pretty quiet. You'll get a better representation of opinions once the weekend is over. Right now only the people who can't play or won't play the game put their input. Make of it what you will.

    In the last two pages of this thread I see 5 posts that could be considered negative.  I see 12 posts that would be considered positive.  Seems like your little theory may be incorrect.

    Not really. I'm among the people who can't play the game (EU based) and still like it, so my overview is positively inclined. Then you get people who wouldn't even try the game, let alone give it a chance. The thing is, the opinions are getting polarised, because when one side says something absurdly negative, the other side feels inclined to say something equally absurdly positive.

    Absurdly negative is all the nonsense about Korean games and the art style.

    Absurdly positive is the talk about questing doesn't matter and that the gear are not important.

    My last comment "make of it what you will" was meant for people to be critical on the opinion of both those extremists.

  • UnshraUnshra Member UncommonPosts: 381

    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    Originally posted by Unshra


    Originally posted by TruthXHurts


    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    Korean animu grinders are all the same and few people in the West want to play them.

     

    Thats just the facts. Sorry you cant handle that and it makes you angry. Americans dont like Garugamesh and pocky.

    I love Pocky son. [Mod Edit]

    This, I love Pocky and my Camaro, also love sashimi. ^_^

    And you love TERA. Coincidence? I think not...........

     

    Thanks for proving my point.

     

    Ever hear of reading comprehension... no? Well let me enlighten you, none of my posts praised TERA they in fact point out that it's not much special so it actually disproves your point. ;-)

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  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048

    A lot of hate is the whole "its just a generic MMo" deal which is silly that they think some magical remedy will take out grind. Seriously... people are just... bleh.

     

    I feel a big factor against it is the combat. People just really are not big on the combat since it requires more strategy and isn't about mindless button spamming that they are use to. It really forces penalties on players who are careless which lets face it, most MMo players really aren't that great. As much as I love to go "how can people NOT play it, its joke easy?" with a lot of classes in other games, the simple fact is I'm not like everyone else. I'm far better of a player then most so naturally what I see as easy is just more difficult since they down 'connect' with playing the way I do. With much more action in combat and more strategy being involved in what you do for attacking (primarily focusing on the 'penalty' for mess ups) its going to be shunned by a lot. 

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Absurdly negative is all the nonsense about Korean games and the art style.

    Absurdly positive is the talk about questing doesn't matter and that the gear are not important.

     

    Okay, I can agree to that.

    I see absurdly positive stuff posted, I cant help but post.  It was that TERA giving guild wars 2 a run for its money thread that drew people in.

     

    EvE is a style of game that many people dislike.  Yet EvE gets very little hate, because you generally dont see EvE players raving about how much better their game is than everyone else.  they know they have a good niche game and they just enjoy it.

  • rexzshadowrexzshadow Member Posts: 1,428

    Originally posted by teakbois

    Originally posted by rexzshadow

     The problem is all these people take their personal perference as truth,

    you just described the pro TERA people.

     

    FActionless sytem is amazing

    No tab target is what every wanted

    graphics and combat are the main things people want in an MMO

     

    This is the kind of shit people are posting as facts.  Guess what, when you say stuff like that you are going to get a dose of reality handed to you, its the nature of the internet.

    Its amazing to us, no tab target is what we wanted. Graphic  can not matter as some good game run as horrible graphic aka minecraft but if you going ot tell me combat isn't the core thing in mmorpg obviously you never play mmorpg.

    And i love how you try to take the higher ground like you guys haven't possed your thought as facts, things like its other korean grind game, it will go F2P in less than a year (now the hell do you know that idk but i think every major game company want to hire you), the combat is nothing new, etc.... i can list out most shit you guys said about the game been bad for the most pointless reason than people say shit about this game been good.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Originally posted by teakbois

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    FActionless sytem is amazing

    No tab target is what every wanted

    graphics and combat are the main things people want in an MMO

     

    This is the kind of shit people are posting as facts.  Guess what, when you say stuff like that you are going to get a dose of reality handed to you, its the nature of the internet.

    Factionless can be considered an improvement compared to a two faction system, because it gives the player the freedom to pick his side. With a two faction system the sides are fixed for you at launch. You can do little vs a player of your own faction that is harrasing you besides blocking him from chat. A three faction system allows for a bit more freedom, giving people the choice to pick an alternative faction to a conflict.

    No tab target is something that was not seen or not done particularly well in MMOs so far. The first semi serious approach was with AoC, but that game had it only for melee and certainly not for healing. That game also relied heavily on the use of the quickbars, which is another major weakness of MMOs in general (the reliance on the UI).

    Graphics is the easiest aspect of a game to do right, by far. Class balance, interesting story, engaging levelling path, well hidden grinding are things that are a lot harder to accomplish and it usually takes years to find the perfect blend, if ever.

     

    I hope you understand that, while this game certainly has its shortcomings (story the biggest one of all, which undertstandable considering that even a book loses a lot by a translation), it certainly has its strengths. It's all a balance in the end. If the strengths are more than the shortcomings (and this is a pretty subjective balance, different for each one of us), then people stay with the game, otherwise they choose to find their fun elsewhere.

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by Purutzil

     

     

    I feel a big factor against it is the combat. People just really are not big on the combat since it requires more strategy and isn't about mindless button spamming that they are use to. 

    And here as a prime example of absurdly positive, and telling people how much better TERA is.

    'People dont like TERA because its harder and other MMOs are dumb'.  

     

    The person who does mindless button spamming in WoW is going to get kicked out of his raid real fast.  People that say things like '1234 1234' are every bit as ignorant as the people that call TERA an asian grinder.

  • NBlitzNBlitz Member Posts: 1,904

    I'll be happy, utterly ecstatic (!) if the game becomes a fine niche game much like EvE. But since it's a fantasy MMO, it'll be near impossible.

    "What? Less than a million subs?! FAIL."

  • ArakaziArakazi Member UncommonPosts: 911

    Originally posted by Jimmydean

    Originally posted by Arakazi

    I took one look at the the half naked female toons and thought "do the devs think so little of us? Think I'll pass on this game".

    I can tell you were planning on giving this game a real try.

    Ok, I was a bit flippant.  But I find half naked digital "babes" one of the most sad and pathetic sights in existence. If that sort of things interests you, you should get help. I mean if you want to jack of on something, at least make it real.  Or better get a gf.

    Anyway, here are a few more reasons the game doesn't interest me.

    Graphics aren't great, not just the level of detail, but also the animation art direction.

    Repetitive gameplay and quests. I think Aions combat system was more interesting and I hated that game.

    Doesn't offer anything new, and I can play better games like the Lord of the Rings for free and with GW2, Secret World around the corner I can spend my money on a game that is more innovitive, dynamic and with an art style more to my liking.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Actually EVE received quite a big of hate a few months ago, so much in fact that forced a change of strategy from the company and a letter of apology to the funs from the CEO.

    Regarding F2P, this is a non-insult really. In two years from now there won't be a single MMO out there with the P2P style. They are all getting converted to F2P status, regardless of their AAA status and regardless if we like it or not. The subscription will remain as an option of course, as a golden member status.  There are too many advantages to that model for companies not to convert.


    • People don't have to pay anything to try the game.

    • Games will stop relying on grind to keep the subscription or they'll need to mask it much better.

    • People will have the option to pay a monthly fee if they so wish

    Anyway, this is way off topic so I'll stop it here.

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Factionless can be considered an improvement compared to a two faction system, because it gives the player the freedom to pick his side. With a two faction system the sides are fixed for you at launch. You can do little vs a player of your own faction that is harrasing you besides blocking him from chat. A three faction system allows for a bit more freedom, giving people the choice to pick an alternative faction to a conflict.

    No tab target is something that was not seen or not done particularly well in MMOs so far. The first semi serious approach was with AoC, but that game had it only for melee and certainly not for healing. That game also relied heavily on the use of the quickbars, which is another major weakness of MMOs in general (the reliance on the UI).

     

    If a player on your own side is harassing you thats a maturity issue where being able to kill him isnt an acceptable answer anyway.  there are pluses and minuses two a two faction system, but most people do not really like FFA PvP, its a niche market.

     

    And I see the appeal for a no tab target game, but again, this is a NICHE thing.  And with the amount of keybinds most people use the hotbar thing is just a display anyway.  Yes some people click, and some people are good at it.  But most people map the frequently used stuff to hotkeys or mouse buttons.  Its not like TERA is a drastic change from this, if anyhting it simplifies it which actually goes against the TERA is more challenging aspect that everyone raves about.

     

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722

    Originally posted by plescure

    Been seeing a lot of negativity on the forums for this game and a LOT of negativity in the general chat within game, so much so ive had to turn off the area chat cause its just full of ppl trolling about the game.

     

    I genuinely dont understand it. ive been playing the game for a few hours now and ive been very impressed, the combat is gr8 and different, the game looks gorgeuos and so far ive had a lot of fun. i sometimes think people just hate on a game just to get a rise out of ppl.

    there are some things that if devs dont fix them the game will suffer a lot. The action combat is missing a very important aspect of what action combat means (Flexibility). For Example, Once you start swinging a sword you cant move around until you stop attacking (you are stuck with 1 dodge skill as dps and 1 block skill as tank). That removes a big part of the action in that combat. Another thing is when fighting you are stuck on the ground. You cant jump to take a more tactical aproach to your opponent or to move away from a killing blow with ease. Once you jumped your character is a motionless sack of potatoes in the air until you land again.  Thats just about the combat.

    Another thing that has been pissing many players off is the character progression. Theres no stat poin allocation system. The skill system is pretty simple and easy to use but thats not enough to be expected from a game like this where both the player skills and the class skills are what matter.

    And finally the quest progression. It is as generic an uninspiring as any free to play mmorpg out there. Simply not acceptable in a high quality "AAA" mmorpg releasing in 2012.

    RIght now i am really enjoying and loving the graphic visuals of the beta and the different classes and races, nothing else. I expect all of the above to be fixed.

     

    EDIT: i think it released a while ago in korea, not sure. But im talking about NA version. If they can change Elin clothes (which was not broken) for a NA  release, they can fix whats broken as well.





  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Actually EVE received quite a big of hate a few months ago, so much in fact that forced a change of strategy from the company and a letter of apology to the funs from the CEO.

     

    Thats a different kind of hate.  that was customer hate, not non-player hate.  That was a company did the second biggest PR blunder in MMORPG history hate.

  • emotaemota Member UncommonPosts: 413

    Originally posted by plescure

    Been seeing a lot of negativity on the forums for this game and a LOT of negativity in the general chat within game, so much so ive had to turn off the area chat cause its just full of ppl trolling about the game.

     

    I genuinely dont understand it. ive been playing the game for a few hours now and ive been very impressed, the combat is gr8 and different, the game looks gorgeuos and so far ive had a lot of fun. i sometimes think people just hate on a game just to get a rise out of ppl.

     

    Honestly dont worry about it, let folks decide for themselves. Personally, GvG wars, SvS battles, political system all = breath of fresh air. Combat is the best in any mmo ive ever played and if understood correctly, is extremely rewarding. The haters dont get off the starter island, seriously let them hate, we dont want them ingame!

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Get help because people want to look at sexy outfits? Seriously?

     

    Did you ask professional help for your problem as a serial killer? I mean, how many digital human and humanoids have you murdered so far? Thousand? Millions? Do you feel any remorse about them? This is the symptoms of a psychotic murderer, you certainly should not walk among us. The police should be notified. Right now!

     

    Do I sound absurd? Good, because that's exactly how you sound like.

    (The above covers also all the nonsense about Elin fans being pedofiles)

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Originally posted by teakbois

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    If a player on your own side is harassing you thats a maturity issue where being able to kill him isnt an acceptable answer anyway.  there are pluses and minuses two a two faction system, but most people do not really like FFA PvP, its a niche market.

     

    And I see the appeal for a no tab target game, but again, this is a NICHE thing.  And with the amount of keybinds most people use the hotbar thing is just a display anyway.  Yes some people click, and some people are good at it.  But most people map the frequently used stuff to hotkeys or mouse buttons.  Its not like TERA is a drastic change from this, if anyhting it simplifies it which actually goes against the TERA is more challenging aspect that everyone raves about.

     

    Even if you are right (and I don't dispute it really) that Tera is a niche game made for a specific audience, what exactly is wrong with that? Aren't we tired of generic MMOs by now? Why not let the developers differientate, even towards directions we may not find appealing? Since when diversity was such a bad thing?

  • rexzshadowrexzshadow Member Posts: 1,428

    Originally posted by Arakazi

    Originally posted by Jimmydean


    Originally posted by Arakazi

    I took one look at the the half naked female toons and thought "do the devs think so little of us? Think I'll pass on this game".

    I can tell you were planning on giving this game a real try.

    Ok, I was a bit flippant.  But I find half naked digital "babes" one of the most sad and pathetic sights in existence. If that sort of things interests you, you should get help. I mean if you want to jack of on something, at least make it real.  Or better get a gf.

    Anyway, here are a few more reasons the game doesn't interest me.

    Graphics aren't great, not just the level of detail, but also the animation art direction.

    Repetitive gameplay and quests. I think Aions combat system was more interesting and I hated that game.

    Doesn't offer anything new, and I can play better games like the Lord of the Rings for free and with GW2, Secret World around the corner I can spend my money on a game that is more innovitive, dynamic and with an art style more to my liking.

    Here a hint this Art style comes from Asia which has a totally different fucking culture than the West. So if you don't like it than hey your hoice. However doesn't make it sad or bad, its simly the art style of that culture.


    Originally posted by rojo6934

    Originally posted by plescure

    Been seeing a lot of negativity on the forums for this game and a LOT of negativity in the general chat within game, so much so ive had to turn off the area chat cause its just full of ppl trolling about the game.

     

    I genuinely dont understand it. ive been playing the game for a few hours now and ive been very impressed, the combat is gr8 and different, the game looks gorgeuos and so far ive had a lot of fun. i sometimes think people just hate on a game just to get a rise out of ppl.

    there are some things that if devs dont fix them the game will suffer a lot. The action combat is missing a very important aspect of what action combat means (Flexibility). For Example, Once you start swinging a sword you cant move around until you stop attacking (you are stuck with 1 dodge skill as dps and 1 block skill as tank). That removes a big part of the action in that combat. Another thing is when fighting you are stuck on the ground. You cant jump to take a more tactical aproach to your opponent or to move away from a killing blow with ease. Once you jumped your character is a motionless sack of potatoes in the air until you land again.  Thats just about the combat.

    Another thing that has been pissing many players off is the character progression. Theres no stat poin allocation system. The skill system is pretty simple and easy to use but thats not enough to be expected from a game like this where both the player skills and the class skills are what matter.

    And finally the quest progression. It is as generic an uninspiring as any free to play mmorpg out there. Simply not acceptable in a high quality "AAA" mmorpg releasing in 2012.

    RIght now i am really enjoying and loving the graphic visuals of the beta and the different classes and races, nothing else. I expect all of the above to be fixed.

    1. If you play action combat games there are many well know games that have this delay put in, these action game focus more on strategy than reflex. Best example is Monster Hunter. So its different' it was planed this way. Doesn't make it mistake if you or other don't like this combat style.

    2. Stats isn't the only thing that define progression. State in many case are just way for F2P game to rippe player off for 20 dollar reset scrolls. Tera let you customize via crystal and glyph.

    3. so having great quest but horrible game play put game at AAA rating? Seem to me its more about how accepted and suppor the game has that make it an AAA game rather than the game itself anymore.

    Number 3 will probably be fix, well they are fixing now K-Tera already getting a lvl 1-40 quest revamp. But 1 and 2 nothing is even wrong there.

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