Nope, wouldn't buy it, wouldn't even pre-purchase it. I need more info before I commit to GW2, specifically about the Cah Shop. I'm sure all the rest will be fine, the CS remains a bit of a question mark.
For all the people who claim you would buy it today or pay more for it.. Are you serious? Do you learn nothing of previous titles that were rushed out the door unfinished? I not only would not buy it. I hope they take as much time as needed to ENSURE we have a finished product upon release with as few bugs and as much stability as possible.. RIP Vanguard.
I've been following GW2 so long that I'm content to wait until it's ready.
I'm still planning on prepurchasing on April 10th because there's things I want to see for myself and give feedback about, as well as to get the 3 day head start when it does finally release, but if I had to I would just wait. At some point I really should finish GW: Nightfall. I can't see that getting a lot of play after GW2 comes out.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
A fresh lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 is not the equal of a character who has progressed to lvl 80. The lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 will be a hollowed out shell in comparison.
Though I hope it isnt as bad, the SWTOR version of this is an example of what I am talking about. Those characters who got bumped to lvl 50 in SWTOR pvp were able to participate in warzones, but if they were caught out of position and had to 1v1 a true lvl 50.......GG.
Edit: Forgot to answer the OP. Yes, I would buy the game now. Without a doubt.
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
You have to be minimum level 2 to enter the Mists and they wouldn't be equal.
I'd buy it now. Even in it's unfinished state, it offers me more of what I've been looking for in MMOs than any other I've played, or expect to play in the near or distant future. It would mean waiting for sylvari before I could create my main, but I have enough alts lined up for norn and human to tide me over in the meantime.
You pretty much are doing this or worse when you do the pre-purchase. You are actually buying the game, just for access to the beta and 3 days head start so regardless of whether you like it or not from what you see in the beta, you can't back out like in a pre-order.
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
Understandable. This is not progression mmorpg.
If your main thing in mmropg's is hardcore raiding then you would be propably bored in GW2.
I mean propably you will be able to find hard 5 man dungeons , and maybe some challanging open world bosses / events ,but still GW2 will offer you no instanced raids at all and close to none gear progression.
In WvWvW level will matter (even thou you get bumped) but after you hit max level you propably will be preety much even ,unless they will add some gear dependancy but I doubt and they seem to imply that they don't want to.
Instanced "arenas" PvP - you get max level + gear in there since I don't know level 2? You get auto bumped to max level + you can choose some high weapons and stuff.
Is is worse or better than progression based heavy raid mmropg?
Neither.
Just diffrent.
So you're propably doing good to avoid.
I always repeat , do research and know what you buy , then you can avoid being disappointed and angry.
If it's not done, I would say no. I don't need another mmo feeling rushed because of time/cash. Do it right, or fail is imo the way it's been for years now with this genre. GW1 did it so right, I would really be turned off if they dropped quality and let it out unfinished. I also stopped jonesing for games a long time ago, saves me $$$.
For all the people who claim you would buy it today or pay more for it.. Are you serious? Do you learn nothing of previous titles that were rushed out the door unfinished? I not only would not buy it. I hope they take as much time as needed to ENSURE we have a finished product upon release with as few bugs and as much stability as possible.. RIP Vanguard.
Rushed products, wow what ignorance.
^This. It's our way of voting. and or being an enabler or not.
For all the people who claim you would buy it today or pay more for it.. Are you serious? Do you learn nothing of previous titles that were rushed out the door unfinished? I not only would not buy it. I hope they take as much time as needed to ENSURE we have a finished product upon release with as few bugs and as much stability as possible.. RIP Vanguard.
Rushed products, wow what ignorance.
^This. It's our way of voting. and or being an enabler or not.
The OP clearly stated if it was offered to YOU as an individual and not to the general public. So step away form the panic button.
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
A fresh lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 is not the equal of a character who has progressed to lvl 80. The lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 will be a hollowed out shell in comparison.
Though I hope it isnt as bad, the SWTOR version of this is an example of what I am talking about. Those characters who got bumped to lvl 50 in SWTOR pvp were able to participate in warzones, but if they were caught out of position and had to 1v1 a true lvl 50.......GG.
Edit: Forgot to answer the OP. Yes, I would buy the game now. Without a doubt.
Yep, SWTOR tried that with their battlegrounds and it sucked ass. Not sure how it will fly in GW2.
And no, I would not buy the game in its current state. I no longer am the kind of gamer that will buy a pig in a poke. I'll wait and see how the game does once it is released into the wild, where it is no longer protected by the devs and their marketing department letting us see only what they want us to see.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I'da bought it back when it was GuildWars: Utopia.
...and woulda payed full price on release...
Seriously. As each chapter of GW1 came out they just kept getting better and better. I'da been playing it right now instead of reading these stupid posts thhat are always doom-mongering one of the highest rated game franchises ON mmorpg.com (that isn't even a real MMORPG!). Infact, I'm not gonna finish this post b/c it's GREEN DROP WEEKEND and I got some green weapons to go farm. Have fun stewing in your own boredom without me ya sad little whiners...
I'm already going to pre-purchase on April 10th, for access to what could be as few as two or three beta weekend events leading up to launch. So, if the question, as edited in the OP, is if I would buy the game now for full access to the 24/7 beta, then the answer would have to be yes.
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
Ok. Have fun withever game you do decide to play and enjoy disscusing that games in their forums.
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
A fresh lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 is not the equal of a character who has progressed to lvl 80. The lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 will be a hollowed out shell in comparison.
Though I hope it isnt as bad, the SWTOR version of this is an example of what I am talking about. Those characters who got bumped to lvl 50 in SWTOR pvp were able to participate in warzones, but if they were caught out of position and had to 1v1 a true lvl 50.......GG.
Edit: Forgot to answer the OP. Yes, I would buy the game now. Without a doubt.
Yep, SWTOR tried that with their battlegrounds and it sucked ass. Not sure how it will fly in GW2.
And no, I would not buy the game in its current state. I no longer am the kind of gamer that will buy a pig in a poke. I'll wait and see how the game does once it is released into the wild, where it is no longer protected by the devs and their marketing department letting us see only what they want us to see.
In WvW, i am guessing it will play out much like it did in SWTOR warzones (im speculating here). If you are level 2 and zone into the mists and get caught by someone significantly higher in actual level, it will probably end badly. I just cant see how it will work out in any other way.
That being said, even in SWTOR, by the time you reached lvl 16+ you could reasonably contribute to team mechanics in warzones (this kinda changed by the time people were in full champion/battlemaster gear). If you ran off trying to be a hero, you got stomped. I think this will play out similarly in WvW.
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
A fresh lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 is not the equal of a character who has progressed to lvl 80. The lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 will be a hollowed out shell in comparison.
Though I hope it isnt as bad, the SWTOR version of this is an example of what I am talking about. Those characters who got bumped to lvl 50 in SWTOR pvp were able to participate in warzones, but if they were caught out of position and had to 1v1 a true lvl 50.......GG.
Edit: Forgot to answer the OP. Yes, I would buy the game now. Without a doubt.
Yep, SWTOR tried that with their battlegrounds and it sucked ass. Not sure how it will fly in GW2.
And no, I would not buy the game in its current state. I no longer am the kind of gamer that will buy a pig in a poke. I'll wait and see how the game does once it is released into the wild, where it is no longer protected by the devs and their marketing department letting us see only what they want us to see.
There are some big differences in how it will work in GW2 vs. SWTOR.
TOR used scaling, with out skill and gear unlocks, for PVP arena based combat. The nature of balanced team, arena combat in confined spaces really relies on balance for their to be fun for both sides. There was nothing balanced about the TOR version of PVP scaling.
In GW2, the arena based PVP scales not just level, but gives players access to all the skills, traits and max stat gear, making it completely about skill, rather than PVE world based character progression.
There are even a few differences between the TOR scaling method and scaling in WvW in GW2.
The power curve for gear in GW2 is less steep than in other games.
There are no PVP specific stats or PVP specific armor in GW2 PvE/WvW.
By level 30(of 80), all your skill bar slots are unlocked, (your Elite Skill slot being the last to unlock). In GW2, access to particular skills is not limited by your character's level. If you have an appropriate slot for a skill and enough skill points to purchase it, you can buy it and use it. A big problem with TOR PVP scaling was that there were some extremely powerful skills for PVP that you couldn't obtain until the higher levels. No matter how good the scaling was, the skill set disparity was just too huge.
In GW2, you do earn skill points for leveling, but there are also many skill point challenges, with a wide variety of win conditions, through out the game world. A character can have more skill points at a given level than another character, if the player actively pursues skill point challenges. Level isn't always the determining factor in skill access for GW2. However, a reminder that the advantage for one who pursues skill point opportunities is diversity of skills to chose from, not the raw power of skills available to that character.
So, in GW2, there would be a sizable disparity in WvW between a level 2 character and a level 80 character. Not only the difference is gear, but a level 2 character whould have access only to the weapon skills they have unlocked and their heal skill. However, the disparity between a level 30 and a level 80 would be much less pronounced, since the level 30 would have all skill slots unlocked and with wise skill selection could have a full compliment of active skills just as effective as those of the level 80 character. Scaling of stats occurs, which cuts down a bit on the gear advantage, though the level 80 would have more traits slotted.
In most games, even a level 70 would have little chance vs. a well equiped level 80, no matter how good the level 70 player was and how bad the level 80 player was. The advantage granted by level disparity in GW2 WvW is much reduced vs. standards set by other titles. Skill will play a much bigger role, but true level will still provide an edge.
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I would, if I could play it today! Fine with 3 races and somewhat buggy stuff
Uhh... what?
Nope, wouldn't buy it, wouldn't even pre-purchase it. I need more info before I commit to GW2, specifically about the Cah Shop. I'm sure all the rest will be fine, the CS remains a bit of a question mark.
I'd not only buy it, I'd pay double to have it released today.
For all the people who claim you would buy it today or pay more for it.. Are you serious? Do you learn nothing of previous titles that were rushed out the door unfinished? I not only would not buy it. I hope they take as much time as needed to ENSURE we have a finished product upon release with as few bugs and as much stability as possible.. RIP Vanguard.
Rushed products, wow what ignorance.
Nope.
I've been following GW2 so long that I'm content to wait until it's ready.
I'm still planning on prepurchasing on April 10th because there's things I want to see for myself and give feedback about, as well as to get the 3 day head start when it does finally release, but if I had to I would just wait. At some point I really should finish GW: Nightfall. I can't see that getting a lot of play after GW2 comes out.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Don't consider myself a hardcore fan of the game, though I am looking forward to it.
I would probably buy it the way it is (or pre-purchase), but I'd rather them wait until it's ready to release the game. So, I'm going to wait.
The flat progression turned off all of my friends.
We are all hardcore raiders/pvpers. None of us like the idea of some level 1 player making a brand new character, going into the mist and instantly being equal to us, completely negating time and effort spent in game.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
A fresh lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 is not the equal of a character who has progressed to lvl 80. The lvl 1 character bumped to lvl 80 will be a hollowed out shell in comparison.
Though I hope it isnt as bad, the SWTOR version of this is an example of what I am talking about. Those characters who got bumped to lvl 50 in SWTOR pvp were able to participate in warzones, but if they were caught out of position and had to 1v1 a true lvl 50.......GG.
Edit: Forgot to answer the OP. Yes, I would buy the game now. Without a doubt.
You have to be minimum level 2 to enter the Mists and they wouldn't be equal.
I'd buy it now. Even in it's unfinished state, it offers me more of what I've been looking for in MMOs than any other I've played, or expect to play in the near or distant future. It would mean waiting for sylvari before I could create my main, but I have enough alts lined up for norn and human to tide me over in the meantime.
You pretty much are doing this or worse when you do the pre-purchase. You are actually buying the game, just for access to the beta and 3 days head start so regardless of whether you like it or not from what you see in the beta, you can't back out like in a pre-order.
Understandable. This is not progression mmorpg.
If your main thing in mmropg's is hardcore raiding then you would be propably bored in GW2.
I mean propably you will be able to find hard 5 man dungeons , and maybe some challanging open world bosses / events ,but still GW2 will offer you no instanced raids at all and close to none gear progression.
In WvWvW level will matter (even thou you get bumped) but after you hit max level you propably will be preety much even ,unless they will add some gear dependancy but I doubt and they seem to imply that they don't want to.
Instanced "arenas" PvP - you get max level + gear in there since I don't know level 2? You get auto bumped to max level + you can choose some high weapons and stuff.
Is is worse or better than progression based heavy raid mmropg?
Neither.
Just diffrent.
So you're propably doing good to avoid.
I always repeat , do research and know what you buy , then you can avoid being disappointed and angry.
What current state? How do I know?
If it's not done, I would say no. I don't need another mmo feeling rushed because of time/cash. Do it right, or fail is imo the way it's been for years now with this genre. GW1 did it so right, I would really be turned off if they dropped quality and let it out unfinished. I also stopped jonesing for games a long time ago, saves me $$$.
^This. It's our way of voting. and or being an enabler or not.
Yes please!
The OP clearly stated if it was offered to YOU as an individual and not to the general public. So step away form the panic button.
Well since TB likes it its a no-brainer to me.
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Yep, SWTOR tried that with their battlegrounds and it sucked ass. Not sure how it will fly in GW2.
And no, I would not buy the game in its current state. I no longer am the kind of gamer that will buy a pig in a poke. I'll wait and see how the game does once it is released into the wild, where it is no longer protected by the devs and their marketing department letting us see only what they want us to see.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I would buy the game now and play it as it is if I could.
I'll prepurchase and settle for the beta weekends till release instead
I'da bought it back when it was GuildWars: Utopia.
...and woulda payed full price on release...
Seriously. As each chapter of GW1 came out they just kept getting better and better. I'da been playing it right now instead of reading these stupid posts thhat are always doom-mongering one of the highest rated game franchises ON mmorpg.com (that isn't even a real MMORPG!). Infact, I'm not gonna finish this post b/c it's GREEN DROP WEEKEND and I got some green weapons to go farm. Have fun stewing in your own boredom without me ya sad little whiners...
I'm already going to pre-purchase on April 10th, for access to what could be as few as two or three beta weekend events leading up to launch. So, if the question, as edited in the OP, is if I would buy the game now for full access to the 24/7 beta, then the answer would have to be yes.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
Ok. Have fun withever game you do decide to play and enjoy disscusing that games in their forums.
In WvW, i am guessing it will play out much like it did in SWTOR warzones (im speculating here). If you are level 2 and zone into the mists and get caught by someone significantly higher in actual level, it will probably end badly. I just cant see how it will work out in any other way.
That being said, even in SWTOR, by the time you reached lvl 16+ you could reasonably contribute to team mechanics in warzones (this kinda changed by the time people were in full champion/battlemaster gear). If you ran off trying to be a hero, you got stomped. I think this will play out similarly in WvW.
There are some big differences in how it will work in GW2 vs. SWTOR.
TOR used scaling, with out skill and gear unlocks, for PVP arena based combat. The nature of balanced team, arena combat in confined spaces really relies on balance for their to be fun for both sides. There was nothing balanced about the TOR version of PVP scaling.
In GW2, the arena based PVP scales not just level, but gives players access to all the skills, traits and max stat gear, making it completely about skill, rather than PVE world based character progression.
There are even a few differences between the TOR scaling method and scaling in WvW in GW2.
The power curve for gear in GW2 is less steep than in other games.
There are no PVP specific stats or PVP specific armor in GW2 PvE/WvW.
By level 30(of 80), all your skill bar slots are unlocked, (your Elite Skill slot being the last to unlock). In GW2, access to particular skills is not limited by your character's level. If you have an appropriate slot for a skill and enough skill points to purchase it, you can buy it and use it. A big problem with TOR PVP scaling was that there were some extremely powerful skills for PVP that you couldn't obtain until the higher levels. No matter how good the scaling was, the skill set disparity was just too huge.
In GW2, you do earn skill points for leveling, but there are also many skill point challenges, with a wide variety of win conditions, through out the game world. A character can have more skill points at a given level than another character, if the player actively pursues skill point challenges. Level isn't always the determining factor in skill access for GW2. However, a reminder that the advantage for one who pursues skill point opportunities is diversity of skills to chose from, not the raw power of skills available to that character.
So, in GW2, there would be a sizable disparity in WvW between a level 2 character and a level 80 character. Not only the difference is gear, but a level 2 character whould have access only to the weapon skills they have unlocked and their heal skill. However, the disparity between a level 30 and a level 80 would be much less pronounced, since the level 30 would have all skill slots unlocked and with wise skill selection could have a full compliment of active skills just as effective as those of the level 80 character. Scaling of stats occurs, which cuts down a bit on the gear advantage, though the level 80 would have more traits slotted.
In most games, even a level 70 would have little chance vs. a well equiped level 80, no matter how good the level 70 player was and how bad the level 80 player was. The advantage granted by level disparity in GW2 WvW is much reduced vs. standards set by other titles. Skill will play a much bigger role, but true level will still provide an edge.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
