I would but Anet is not dumb enough to risk alienating potentially millions of players with a buggy unfinished product. I think we can all agree that has been a serious issue with most MMO's over the last decade so why exaserbate the problem by following suit. AFAIK Blizzard and Anet are the only 2 companies that refuse to release unfinished product so in my estimation that makes them worthy of more time to "get it right".
This is strictly a hypothetical, obviously, so no need to shoot back with, "they would never do that because.......
Don't post the question publicly if you don't expect people to voice their opinion, regardless of whether your "Hype-O-Meter" agrees with their differing opinion or not.
This is NOT for trolls, this is a question to those who consider themselves hard core Guildwarriors. I forgot, trolls tend to ignore pertinent information.
That was not a troll response or a troll follow up. A difference of opinion, even if it contains formatting, spelling, grammer or usage errors or states a position you wish to ignore doesn't make it a troll response.
Technically, by "pre-purchasing" on the 10th I AM buying the game in it's current state.
Technically not as you're implying. You're buying a future release of a complete product, plus automatic beta testing and virtual items, in accordance with the express claims made by the developer. These claims include additional spells, weapons, races and materials not yet into early beta.
Should ANet fail to deliver, class-action lawsuits and FTC complaints are possible.
Technically, by "pre-purchasing" on the 10th I AM buying the game in it's current state.
Not even close i think it's obvious that you pre-order, meaning you won't get the game as it is. If you was to buy it as it is you would just buy it. You are supposed to get a fully working mmo when it is released, not a game in beta stage.
Technically not as you're implying. You're buying a future release of a complete product, plus automatic beta testing and virtual items, in accordance with the express claims made by the developer. These claims include additional spells, weapons, races and materials not yet into early beta.
Should ANet fail to deliver, class-action lawsuits and FTC complaints are possible.
Correct. There are two sides to this coin also. If said player were to show up once in beta 5 minutes, decide this game blows and demand their money back. Good luck. A spot in the beta means you have a CHANCE to have your voice heard. Did said player show up and take part in the events, offer real feedback ("this blows" is not productive!) wait it out and see what changes were made and how things turn out for release? What about the person who decides after the beta they are just plain burnt out on the game as a whole and want their money back because now the game doesn't interest them as much anymore. Welcome to beta burnout because it happens. Much less likely in this case as it's weekends once a month which is pretty smart on ANet's part instead of leaving beta testers to suffer with a bad build weeks on end. What if you decide you don't want to see the game before it releases and don't show up to a single beta, hate the game at release and want your money back? What did YOU do when given the chance to make a difference? As Moses said apart from the game being absolutely incomplete or unplayable which I can't see happening but who knows, good luck on class action lawsuits etc. A prepurchase like this is a tricky thing and requires both sides to show some level accountability. I imagine Anet and NCSoft have considered all of these factors beforehand. A finished and complete game is just that. There is no promise of individual enjoyment of said game.
P.S. Let me be clear I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying anything. But the people saying they will just get their money back if Anet fail to deliver really need to consider what they mean by "deliver" in their mind before they purchase.
Honestly, I don't know what the current state of the game is. it seems mostly playable with a few minor bugs here and there but the press and the beta testers have only had access to 1-20 content and PvP. There is 60 levels worth of content the status of which is unknown at this point.
With that being said, I'm planning on pre-purchasing the standard digital edition of the game on April 10th. ANet is one of my favorite developers and I had a great time with GW1. Hopefully they will use the money they get from all of the pre-purchases to make GW2 an even better game.
Characters would probably be subject to deletion, but I'd play anyways just to figure out what I would like most about the game. Right now I'm basing all my opinion around beta footage.
I would but Anet is not dumb enough to risk alienating potentially millions of players with a buggy unfinished product. I think we can all agree that has been a serious issue with most MMO's over the last decade so why exaserbate the problem by following suit. AFAIK Blizzard and Anet are the only 2 companies that refuse to release unfinished product so in my estimation that makes them worthy of more time to "get it right".
This is strictly a hypothetical, obviously, so no need to shoot back with, "they would never do that because.......
Don't post the question publicly if you don't expect people to voice their opinion, regardless of whether your "Hype-O-Meter" agrees with their differing opinion or not.
This is NOT for trolls, this is a question to those who consider themselves hard core Guildwarriors. I forgot, trolls tend to ignore pertinent information.
That was not a troll response or a troll follow up. A difference of opinion, even if it contains formatting, spelling, grammer or usage errors or states a position you wish to ignore doesn't make it a troll response.
The question was to a specific group of people, that the responders clearly don't belong to. In other words, don't respond to a question, you weren't asked. Doesn't seem terribly difficult to understand to me.
Originally posted by Requiamer Originally posted by Size-Twelve Technically, by "pre-purchasing" on the 10th I AM buying the game in it's current state.
Not even close i think it's obvious that you pre-order, meaning you won't get the game as it is. If you was to buy it as it is you would just buy it. You are supposed to get a fully working mmo when it is released, not a game in beta stage.
This was intended a a tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor. By paying in full for this game on the 10th, I am buying this game in its current state. Meaning at the time I hand over the cash, it exists in its current state. Sorry for any confusion.
I find this amusing and also hypocrisy at its finest... "Would you buy it in its current state?".Current state meaning, unfinished...and overwhelmingly, it appears the large majority of you would... yet.....all day long I read post bitching about unfinished games rushed by the developers and how much its ruining the genre...yet, the majority here would by the unfinished product today if made available ..... amazing. Those who said yes, give yourself a big pat on the back...lol. And btw, this is not a shot at Anet in anyway, as obviuosly, they will release it when its ready...its a shot at the hypocrites who complain about something then proudly say that they would aid in which they complain....
So, I'm guessing, not a fan? The question posed is NOT release the game now, it's, release it to ME now. So, give yourself a pat on the back, for not understanding the question, or more likely, deliberately ignoring the intent in order to pretentiously ride in on the thread to slay the evil hypocrites.
No... aparently you are mis-understanding your own post. Even if they released it to YOU now and not in general... YOU and all the others who are saying you'd buy it, would still be playing an unfinished game and be willing to pay for it. That's the problem to which I'm referring.
The fact that people bitch about games that are officially released that are "buggy and unfinished" yet.... you are saying that you would in fact buy the game today and play it if available, even though it is, in fact, unfinished.
And I never said I'm not a fan. I plan on playing this game when it's released. What? If I'm not at home jerking off to screenshots I'm not a "fan" according to you? From what I have seen, the game looks very promising and will be great fun. But I'm only interested in playing it once the initial intended content is released in whole. Sorry I'm not up to your standards.
I find this amusing and also hypocrisy at its finest... "Would you buy it in its current state?".Current state meaning, unfinished...and overwhelmingly, it appears the large majority of you would... yet.....all day long I read post bitching about unfinished games rushed by the developers and how much its ruining the genre...yet, the majority here would by the unfinished product today if made available ..... amazing. Those who said yes, give yourself a big pat on the back...lol. And btw, this is not a shot at Anet in anyway, as obviuosly, they will release it when its ready...its a shot at the hypocrites who complain about something then proudly say that they would aid in which they complain....
So, I'm guessing, not a fan? The question posed is NOT release the game now, it's, release it to ME now. So, give yourself a pat on the back, for not understanding the question, or more likely, deliberately ignoring the intent in order to pretentiously ride in on the thread to slay the evil hypocrites.
No... aparently you are mis-understanding your own post. Even if they released it to YOU now and not in gerneral... YOU and all the others who are saying you'd buy it, would still be playing an unfinished and willing to pay for it. That's the problem to which I'm referring.
The fact that people bitch about games that are officially released that are "buggy and unfinished" yet.... you are saying that you would in fact buy the game today and play it if available.
And I never said I'm not a fan. I plan on playing this game when it's released.
Just to be magnanimous, I'll let your point stand. Based on what I've read, and the videos I've watched, this game in its current form, is more appealing to me, than anything else out there, and its not even close. So, yeah, I'd take it just like it is. And, as many have already pointed out, pre-purchasing is pretty much "buying it as is". I suppose you can complain that this is a bad trend for the gaming community if you want, but, the reasons I don't care is
1. For many of us, this is THE game. I don't really care what Activision, SOE, EA or whoever, does in the future, I'm not waiting for anything from them. Not to mention, it could be argued, their recent history is kind of shady anyway.
2. I'm certain Anet will get this right. Of course you will chalk that up to fanboi-ism, and that's fine, but, I'VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE. The evidence is overwhelming to me, that Anet is going to deliver on what they promised.
3. I trust myself. I have never pre-ordered a game, let alone pre-purchased one. I'm extremely cautious, when reaching for my hard earned dollars. I have never purchased a stinker. I check reviews, I check player reviews, and I visit forums first, then I decide.
4. I have a history with Anet. I KNOW these guys (not personally) I've seen there work, I'm familiar with how they operate. History is not always indicative of future results, as they say, but combined with other factors, it adds another piece of evidence, that GW2 will be a success, IMHO.
5. And most importantly, the smile on Elizabeth Cardy's face when she talks about her experience in the beta.
Some people here have a very clear disconnect between their eyes and their brains.
The OP clearly, CLEARLY, states that
"The question I'm asking is if it were offered to YOU specifically, and not (not...n0t...NOT...n0+ N000OOO000T)...a general release. Even I wouldn't want them to launch before it's ready"
Got it? That means, hypothetically, if such an opportunity arises for an INDIVIDUAL it would NOT effect the games launch integrity.
FRACK if it's not the reason rally all over again where critical thinking faculties of the evangelicals could not grasp the most BASIC of understanding of a SIMPLE thought concept......if you answered this thread with a:
"No, because I don't want the game to have a failed launch...games rarely recover from an incomplete launch."
or
"No, because Arenanet would never do this."
Please, do us all a favor and DO NOT play this game. It's hard enough living on the same planet with STUPID FRACKING APES...I want to at least trick myself into believing the same STUPID FRACKING APES do not play in the same gameworld as myself and my fellow semi-conscience people. Frack my life.
I find this amusing and also hypocrisy at its finest... "Would you buy it in its current state?".Current state meaning, unfinished...and overwhelmingly, it appears the large majority of you would... yet.....all day long I read post bitching about unfinished games rushed by the developers and how much its ruining the genre...yet, the majority here would by the unfinished product today if made available ..... amazing. Those who said yes, give yourself a big pat on the back...lol. And btw, this is not a shot at Anet in anyway, as obviuosly, they will release it when its ready...its a shot at the hypocrites who complain about something then proudly say that they would aid in which they complain....
And what makes you believe that everyone who voted Yes are also the ones who whine about unfinished games?
Ok...most of the time I do not whine.
Let's break this down:
I whine when I preorder a CE to a highly anticipated game and it is released unfinished, but not only that, the gameplay sucks so terribly I entertain thoughts of sending death threats to its developers for violating such a precious IP....Star Trek Online. There has to be a special mix of things wrong for me to complain (ie. few very severe things wrong to an abundant manner of moderate frustrations to an abundant supply of very severe frackups)...
However, a highly anticipated game that is MOSTLY polished and for what it does have right it does it well...I would not complain aloud about things that are not yet finished...Might poke fun at those things within my social circles...but nothing coming close to the ragefests the forums see.
I am just one who is like this but I am sure I am not the only one. So, again, yes I would buy this game in it's current state if it was sold to only myself or a select few. I would pay triple the current CE price to both support the developers of the game and for my own selfish endeavors.
Let's be honest here... Anet makes mistakes just like any company and this game is not going to be a Masterpiece on the first day. But it will be something that actually feels NEW. Them bitches who keep running their mouths about "dated graphics" are missing the point. I'm a graphic artist ...& CG, I understand the art of aesthetics. I don't have that suspension of disbelief that the untrained eye has when looking at some random "beautiful scenery" from the latest Eye-Candy MMO. Yet I see in GW2's shots & vids, stuff that actually IS new. You can trick the untrained eye with enough Shaders and particle effects. But you can't just write effects that actually make it FEEL new for more than a few minutes. The brain adjusts. And a lot of people who are convincing themselves not to get hyped up for GW2 are doing it for all the wrong reasons.
Their friends are going to play it ANYWAY. And then so are they. So why wait to buy it?
It's either 60 bucks now and play it on the 20th, or 60 bucks in 2 months and play it then... WHY WAIT? ...anyone who's waiting better expect to wait a whole year b/c this game will age well because it will feel new for a long time to come. Don't expect to find it in no bargain bin till next year.
I'd not only buy it, I'd pay double to have it released today.
I'll up you to triple:) There again me and hubby are only planning on the plain digital version on April 10th so we can afford triple. Seriously we decided the difference in price was better saved for more character slots, bank slots, and bag slots, Rytlock just isn't worth the money.
But this really is a pointless poll - there is no way Arena Net is releasing the game in current state - they need at least two big beta weekends to shake out all the hardware issues. I'm not worried about Asura or Sylvari - they will be in, I expect something has been happening with the Asura story and reworking the Sylvari graphics was a huge undertaking. Finally they need to work out the fine tuning of scaling not only DEs but also when queue servers get used and even some fine tuning of the newbie experience so folks realize they do NOT have to complete an area before moving on - they can always come back.
Does that mean that the game will launch with no bugs - no way - all software has bugs. Will stuff need to be tweaked and balanced - of course because gamers love to stretch the limits of every game in every way. So an explorer is going to find a graphics bug to fall into and a PVPer is going to find some way to be overpowered and someone will figure out some combo that lets a boss get taken down within 10 seconds - all probably during the first day.
But yeah - if it went live tomorrow I'd buy and play it.
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Technically, by "pre-purchasing" on the 10th I AM buying the game in it's current state.
That was not a troll response or a troll follow up. A difference of opinion, even if it contains formatting, spelling, grammer or usage errors or states a position you wish to ignore doesn't make it a troll response.
Technically not as you're implying. You're buying a future release of a complete product, plus automatic beta testing and virtual items, in accordance with the express claims made by the developer. These claims include additional spells, weapons, races and materials not yet into early beta.
Should ANet fail to deliver, class-action lawsuits and FTC complaints are possible.
Not even close i think it's obvious that you pre-order, meaning you won't get the game as it is. If you was to buy it as it is you would just buy it. You are supposed to get a fully working mmo when it is released, not a game in beta stage.
Why Anet fans would want GW2 to follow AoC's fate by requesting a premature release is beyond me.
Do you really want the game to fail? I can't think of an mmoprg that managed to recover from an incomplete state.
Correct. There are two sides to this coin also. If said player were to show up once in beta 5 minutes, decide this game blows and demand their money back. Good luck. A spot in the beta means you have a CHANCE to have your voice heard. Did said player show up and take part in the events, offer real feedback ("this blows" is not productive!) wait it out and see what changes were made and how things turn out for release? What about the person who decides after the beta they are just plain burnt out on the game as a whole and want their money back because now the game doesn't interest them as much anymore. Welcome to beta burnout because it happens. Much less likely in this case as it's weekends once a month which is pretty smart on ANet's part instead of leaving beta testers to suffer with a bad build weeks on end. What if you decide you don't want to see the game before it releases and don't show up to a single beta, hate the game at release and want your money back? What did YOU do when given the chance to make a difference? As Moses said apart from the game being absolutely incomplete or unplayable which I can't see happening but who knows, good luck on class action lawsuits etc. A prepurchase like this is a tricky thing and requires both sides to show some level accountability. I imagine Anet and NCSoft have considered all of these factors beforehand. A finished and complete game is just that. There is no promise of individual enjoyment of said game.
P.S. Let me be clear I'm not trying to talk anyone out of buying anything. But the people saying they will just get their money back if Anet fail to deliver really need to consider what they mean by "deliver" in their mind before they purchase.
the poster formerly known as melangel :P
Honestly, I don't know what the current state of the game is. it seems mostly playable with a few minor bugs here and there but the press and the beta testers have only had access to 1-20 content and PvP. There is 60 levels worth of content the status of which is unknown at this point.
With that being said, I'm planning on pre-purchasing the standard digital edition of the game on April 10th. ANet is one of my favorite developers and I had a great time with GW1. Hopefully they will use the money they get from all of the pre-purchases to make GW2 an even better game.
Characters would probably be subject to deletion, but I'd play anyways just to figure out what I would like most about the game. Right now I'm basing all my opinion around beta footage.
DDO. And that is somewhat debateable, not your traditional mmo.
Didn't DDO recover after it went F2P? If so, that's not a very good example.
The question was to a specific group of people, that the responders clearly don't belong to. In other words, don't respond to a question, you weren't asked. Doesn't seem terribly difficult to understand to me.
This was intended a a tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor. By paying in full for this game on the 10th, I am buying this game in its current state. Meaning at the time I hand over the cash, it exists in its current state. Sorry for any confusion.
Splitting hairs are we? It recovered. But I do agree it's rare.
No... aparently you are mis-understanding your own post. Even if they released it to YOU now and not in general... YOU and all the others who are saying you'd buy it, would still be playing an unfinished game and be willing to pay for it. That's the problem to which I'm referring.
The fact that people bitch about games that are officially released that are "buggy and unfinished" yet.... you are saying that you would in fact buy the game today and play it if available, even though it is, in fact, unfinished.
And I never said I'm not a fan. I plan on playing this game when it's released. What? If I'm not at home jerking off to screenshots I'm not a "fan" according to you? From what I have seen, the game looks very promising and will be great fun. But I'm only interested in playing it once the initial intended content is released in whole. Sorry I'm not up to your standards.
Just to be magnanimous, I'll let your point stand. Based on what I've read, and the videos I've watched, this game in its current form, is more appealing to me, than anything else out there, and its not even close. So, yeah, I'd take it just like it is. And, as many have already pointed out, pre-purchasing is pretty much "buying it as is". I suppose you can complain that this is a bad trend for the gaming community if you want, but, the reasons I don't care is
1. For many of us, this is THE game. I don't really care what Activision, SOE, EA or whoever, does in the future, I'm not waiting for anything from them. Not to mention, it could be argued, their recent history is kind of shady anyway.
2. I'm certain Anet will get this right. Of course you will chalk that up to fanboi-ism, and that's fine, but, I'VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE. The evidence is overwhelming to me, that Anet is going to deliver on what they promised.
3. I trust myself. I have never pre-ordered a game, let alone pre-purchased one. I'm extremely cautious, when reaching for my hard earned dollars. I have never purchased a stinker. I check reviews, I check player reviews, and I visit forums first, then I decide.
4. I have a history with Anet. I KNOW these guys (not personally) I've seen there work, I'm familiar with how they operate. History is not always indicative of future results, as they say, but combined with other factors, it adds another piece of evidence, that GW2 will be a success, IMHO.
5. And most importantly, the smile on Elizabeth Cardy's face when she talks about her experience in the beta.
Some people here have a very clear disconnect between their eyes and their brains.
The OP clearly, CLEARLY, states that
"The question I'm asking is if it were offered to YOU specifically, and not (not...n0t...NOT...n0+ N000OOO000T)...a general release. Even I wouldn't want them to launch before it's ready"
Got it? That means, hypothetically, if such an opportunity arises for an INDIVIDUAL it would NOT effect the games launch integrity.
FRACK if it's not the reason rally all over again where critical thinking faculties of the evangelicals could not grasp the most BASIC of understanding of a SIMPLE thought concept......if you answered this thread with a:
"No, because I don't want the game to have a failed launch...games rarely recover from an incomplete launch."
or
"No, because Arenanet would never do this."
Please, do us all a favor and DO NOT play this game. It's hard enough living on the same planet with STUPID FRACKING APES...I want to at least trick myself into believing the same STUPID FRACKING APES do not play in the same gameworld as myself and my fellow semi-conscience people. Frack my life.
And what makes you believe that everyone who voted Yes are also the ones who whine about unfinished games?
Ok...most of the time I do not whine.
Let's break this down:
I whine when I preorder a CE to a highly anticipated game and it is released unfinished, but not only that, the gameplay sucks so terribly I entertain thoughts of sending death threats to its developers for violating such a precious IP....Star Trek Online. There has to be a special mix of things wrong for me to complain (ie. few very severe things wrong to an abundant manner of moderate frustrations to an abundant supply of very severe frackups)...
However, a highly anticipated game that is MOSTLY polished and for what it does have right it does it well...I would not complain aloud about things that are not yet finished...Might poke fun at those things within my social circles...but nothing coming close to the ragefests the forums see.
I am just one who is like this but I am sure I am not the only one. So, again, yes I would buy this game in it's current state if it was sold to only myself or a select few. I would pay triple the current CE price to both support the developers of the game and for my own selfish endeavors.
Let's be honest here... Anet makes mistakes just like any company and this game is not going to be a Masterpiece on the first day. But it will be something that actually feels NEW. Them bitches who keep running their mouths about "dated graphics" are missing the point. I'm a graphic artist ...& CG, I understand the art of aesthetics. I don't have that suspension of disbelief that the untrained eye has when looking at some random "beautiful scenery" from the latest Eye-Candy MMO. Yet I see in GW2's shots & vids, stuff that actually IS new. You can trick the untrained eye with enough Shaders and particle effects. But you can't just write effects that actually make it FEEL new for more than a few minutes. The brain adjusts. And a lot of people who are convincing themselves not to get hyped up for GW2 are doing it for all the wrong reasons.
Their friends are going to play it ANYWAY. And then so are they. So why wait to buy it?
It's either 60 bucks now and play it on the 20th, or 60 bucks in 2 months and play it then... WHY WAIT? ...anyone who's waiting better expect to wait a whole year b/c this game will age well because it will feel new for a long time to come. Don't expect to find it in no bargain bin till next year.
I'll up you to triple:) There again me and hubby are only planning on the plain digital version on April 10th so we can afford triple. Seriously we decided the difference in price was better saved for more character slots, bank slots, and bag slots, Rytlock just isn't worth the money.
But this really is a pointless poll - there is no way Arena Net is releasing the game in current state - they need at least two big beta weekends to shake out all the hardware issues. I'm not worried about Asura or Sylvari - they will be in, I expect something has been happening with the Asura story and reworking the Sylvari graphics was a huge undertaking. Finally they need to work out the fine tuning of scaling not only DEs but also when queue servers get used and even some fine tuning of the newbie experience so folks realize they do NOT have to complete an area before moving on - they can always come back.
Does that mean that the game will launch with no bugs - no way - all software has bugs. Will stuff need to be tweaked and balanced - of course because gamers love to stretch the limits of every game in every way. So an explorer is going to find a graphics bug to fall into and a PVPer is going to find some way to be overpowered and someone will figure out some combo that lets a boss get taken down within 10 seconds - all probably during the first day.
But yeah - if it went live tomorrow I'd buy and play it.