Originally posted by rathma Bah, forget that... I'll just get an AMD 64 3400+, 1GB ram,Radeon X800, and a 160 gb hard drive. That should hold me for at least a year... NVidia - The way it is meant to be played ATI - The way it really plays
Yeah, I'll probably buy a beefier processor in about 6 weeks when my bonus money comes in. The AMD Duron1.6 is just to tide me over till then. Money was my only problem in not buying a beefer processor and higher quality board with higher front end bus. I only had about 350 US $ to work with until my checks come in for my work. I can upgrade my ram to 2gig on this motherboard. I'll be doing that in about 6 weeks too. I just can't see spending the money on that X800 ATI card yet. Is a 7 to 10 percent gain in performance worth that much $$$??? I guess if you got the money, why not p
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
The percentage boost is sort of a mistunderstanding. You only get a real performance boost in the x800 if it's being run with an amd 3400+ otherwise, if you have a lower processor, you might as well stick with the radeon 9800XT perhaps, because the x800 will not be at it's full potential.
Not seen a single benchmark that gave only 10% over the R9800XT.It been 15-20% in most cases.But yeah if you use an old crappy processor with a X800 you would get pretty low performance from it.
One major factor i think you must always check is the cost as against performance.Do you really want to pay $400- $550 for a card you would be changing in 2 years?Whats the best today is ordinary in 1 year and at best lower mid range in 2.
It was not 2 years ago the ti4600 was king of the hill and today it is below even mid range cards.
Originally posted by Gunblade First and formeost rathma, ok good system, great it's your money do what you want!! THat will last for 2 years unless something big changes. The only issue is yeah in 1 year or less you will not be getting the max performance out of your machine. With some parts. I just have one question... WHY THE X800 !!! really like HL2 or something? the X800 might be replaced really fast because it does not have smart shader 3.0 in it, it depeneds on where video game companys go. But I can tell you more games coming out support Nvidia, and will be featured with the 6800 series, meanign better frame rates. Also with benchmarks with todays biggest games shows that the cards are prety much even in most areas, but the card on top by 1-5 frames is the 6800. And the lowest edition of the 6800, the 6800 GT is close on the heels of the X800pro. So what reveiwers say, when you get the 6800 GT you basically get smart shader 3.0 for free...bah where i am going with this. I guess it is your decision, but keep in mind that the 6800 will be preferred by more companys and featured with more games, and even with todays games it performs better in most cases. ______--}====>_____ |_105th Panzer Brigade_| http://wraithclan-online.tk
Fact is ATI has become such a big player in the last 2 years ALL games have to support them unless they want to lose half the market.
It is the preferred card of many gamers now(cough echos of the AMD and intel war a few years back).
Honestly ,I have used the ATI recently after a long spell with nvidia and have yet to see a single game give me any problems.I was skeptical about it because of what i heard in AC2 and shadowbane .However upon speaking with a AC2 player I found out it works great just that ATI is very sensitive to drivers.
So you might end up joggling catalyst(though it is something i never had to do).
Also keep in mind the X800 is cheaper then the FX6800 by nearly a $100.So for my money it is ATI .
I completely agree that many companies favour Nvidia over ATI.Look back at the E3 and most showcase events for last 3 years most use Geforce cards to show off.AO used it.SWG used it.CoH used it and the list goes on and on.
But what was the most powerful card last year- the R9800 series beat the FX5900/FX5950 series.
Go back 2 years the most powerful card again was the R9700pro over the Ti4600.
To me it seems just a matter of nvidia been more in partners with gaming companies then actually them been better.
Same reason you see SoE spamming all over PS and their games that it runs great on intel.Doubt intel is better then AMD.
On a side note the X800pro has owned the FX6800 in many benchmarks however still too early to read into those.Maybe the FX6800 would do better who knows.
Originally posted by Gunblade Whoa there herc...the ONLY ownage I saw was the 6800ultra matched against the X800pro or Xt wahtever in the COD benchmarks.. Otherwise it was minimal..which benchmark are you referring to? I think maybe the 3d max last nature demo but ATI has always done better on that nature one.. ______--}====>_____ |_105th Panzer Brigade_| http://wraithclan-online.tk
Like i said early days for benchmark.Usually first few benchmarks are never totally accurate which is what we got here.But what is accurate is the price.Almost $100 cheaper is the X800
Originally posted by Gunblade Also with benchmarks with todays biggest games shows that the cards are prety much even in most areas, but the card on top by 1-5 frames is the 6800. ______--}====>_____ |_105th Panzer Brigade_| http://wraithclan-online.tk
Hmm.. I don't know where you got that from...
"Even the much less expensive X800 Pro with its 12 pipes can beat the GeForce 6800 Ultra in some game tests. The price difference of about $100 will certainly be an argument that could win over a number of undecided buyers" - www.tomshardware.com
It's basically the price of the Nvidea that makes me lean towards the x800 but i'm still not positive on what to get.
Yep even if those benchmarks turn out to be wrong and the FX6800 beats the X800 for the price i would go X800 anyday.
Way i look at things is like this.In 2 years when i have to change my card to keep up would i look back and say bah i used $400 for that card 2 years ago or bah i used $500 for that card 2 years ago.
Your going to just have to give in. if you wait for a future card you end up getting in a year, then 2 years from that it will be outdated too. And the newer card you buy will get outdated, and so on....
Originally posted by rathma Your going to just have to give in. if you wait for a future card you end up getting in a year, then 2 years from that it will be outdated too. And the newer card you buy will get outdated, and so on....
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played ATI - The way it really plays
This guy bought an ATI Radeon 9800XT for 127 is that pound, franks, or euro dollars. Any ways, it is way cheaper than 499 US $. I thought it sounded fishy, but its true. Check out this thread about it:
It is pounds which is about $200.Very cheap but i noticed it ended early which might suggest a private deal struck between the buyer and seller.Considering other 9800XT are on bid for £230 and still got a few hours left i doubt it went for £127 but if it did great lol.
Just read about some news concerning the release on a new board for AMD processors with the 939 pin set up. It is supposed to hit the market by the end of this month. I'm not going to copy the article because it is quite lengthly, but here's the link:
Originally posted by Gunblade Hmm yes I guess we will all see in the future my prediction is the 6800 series will "own" lol. I would also suggest reading the reviews on the cards over at gamespot, and especially www.anandtech.com especially anand, i go there daily, and there rteview i found better and mroe in depth on the step by step process of both video cards and there alternatives ways of producing graphics on your machine. They also show teh signifigance of pixel shader 3.0 -_^ But yeah as of now they reach the same conclusion for 100 dollars less go with teh X800. However I am going to be waiting for PCI-E versions of the cards and reach my decesion then. I got my pc building all planned out, what sucks is I need one new monitor, the ones I have are to old on the refresh rates and the view sonic is not a flat screened CRT >_<". I most likely will be buying a retail PC from Falcon North West and it dpeends on what new technology they can cram in the fragbox, or talon, otherwise i'll go with a MACH V. be my gaming dream ______--}====>_____ |_105th Panzer Brigade_| http://wraithclan-online.tk
Dude someone with so much theortical knowledge about computer parts as you should make that final plunge and actually start building it yourself and save the oh $500 -$1000 this companies all east up.
When i build my first system i used retail parts which was a huge mistake because it only saved me about £300($500) on what i could have paid from a leading company.Second system saved me a whooping £400($650) using OEM.
And you know whats great about it all most parts are guaranteed for 2 yrs- lifetime(both my HD have life warranty lol).So most of this companies say oh we giving you a 1 -2 year guarantee as if they doing a great thing but fact is all the parts have that warranty as it stands.The only part that always carries low time warranty is the Gcards which is still from 1-3 years depends on company.
You know what needs to go into a system which is 50% of the work done all you got to do is now learn to assemble and not waste that money on a company director hehe.Think what $500-$1000 can do for you and what better upgrade you can get for that
Originally posted by MurtBijani I feel kicked out of my own thread... lol great advice guys, keep it up
Well look who shows up....anyways...
lol, herc I do know I will save money..I am saving and will make the decesion in the future but I feel like just buying an ultimate gaming machine, cause well you don't know my "plan". But I just might build my own, but hey if Falcon NW does what i want in a Fragbox I am getting it.
Consdeing all this computer shops buy and put things in the system there is nothing you can't buy easy that is the machine they sell yourself apart from the case.
If i build a system using identical parts to what alienware uses does my computer perform worse because some dude with an alienware jumper put it together?I think not.Different cases same stuff same performance and hell of a lot cheaper.
If you even think about it you would probably make a better system yourself then what any shop sells because you know the brand you are buying.Take RAM sticks we all know some brand are faster then others.You go to a online shop says 1GB RAM yep thats great but do u know the brand.Nope.You build yourself you can actually know that you kept in the best.
Originally posted by Djin Hey Murt. Guess what? My PC owns yours. My 5900 is modded to a 5950 Ultra. My speeds are 500/1000. I have 1GB of Corsair XMS Extreme DDR400 RAM. I RoXorZ joo!
Originally posted by Djin Hey Murt. Guess what? My PC owns yours. My 5900 is modded to a 5950 Ultra. My speeds are 500/1000. I have 1GB of Corsair XMS Extreme DDR400 RAM. I RoXorZ joo!
DJIN!
YOU ARE BACK!!!!
for one post again i presume?...lol, where have you been!?
judging by your 100 going down to a 15...not on the site
Originally posted by Gunblade Ok well then I have few questions before I start..Why do you need a media center? and do you want the OS to be Linux or Windows Media center XP, and do you want to hook it up through your xbox to?Then we can continue, and since now I know you want a media center...your going to have spend some more money on parts than that. You should just do some research on media centers, you'll find out they need power to. EDIT: and what case were you looking at? ______--}====>_____ |_105th Panzer Brigade_|http://wraithclan-online.tk
i thought windows media center edition was only avaliable if i bought it from alienware or gateway or something. i was just going to use windows xp home, if i can use the same disk i use on my desktop. and i dont have an xbox... so no.
ok ill do some research. and the shuttle xpc case. the motherboard is built in i believe. the psu is kind of small, but i dont plan to work it too hard.
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Bah, forget that... I'll just get an AMD 64 3400+, 1GB ram,Radeon X800, and a 160 gb hard drive.
That should hold me for at least a year...
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays
Yeah, I'll probably buy a beefier processor in about 6 weeks when my bonus money comes in. The AMD Duron1.6 is just to tide me over till then. Money was my only problem in not buying a beefer processor and higher quality board with higher front end bus. I only had about 350 US $ to work with until my checks come in for my work. I can upgrade my ram to 2gig on this motherboard. I'll be doing that in about 6 weeks too. I just can't see spending the money on that X800 ATI card yet. Is a 7 to 10 percent gain in performance worth that much $$$??? I guess if you got the money, why not p
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays
Ty for the info. That will help me decide what card to buy when I get to build a nice system at xmas.
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
One major factor i think you must always check is the cost as against performance.Do you really want to pay $400- $550 for a card you would be changing in 2 years?Whats the best today is ordinary in 1 year and at best lower mid range in 2.
It was not 2 years ago the ti4600 was king of the hill and today it is below even mid range cards.
Fact is ATI has become such a big player in the last 2 years ALL games have to support them unless they want to lose half the market.
It is the preferred card of many gamers now(cough echos of the AMD and intel war a few years back).
Honestly ,I have used the ATI recently after a long spell with nvidia and have yet to see a single game give me any problems.I was skeptical about it because of what i heard in AC2 and shadowbane .However upon speaking with a AC2 player I found out it works great just that ATI is very sensitive to drivers.
So you might end up joggling catalyst(though it is something i never had to do).
Also keep in mind the X800 is cheaper then the FX6800 by nearly a $100.So for my money it is ATI .
I completely agree that many companies favour Nvidia over ATI.Look back at the E3 and most showcase events for last 3 years most use Geforce cards to show off.AO used it.SWG used it.CoH used it and the list goes on and on.
But what was the most powerful card last year- the R9800 series beat the FX5900/FX5950 series.
Go back 2 years the most powerful card again was the R9700pro over the Ti4600.
To me it seems just a matter of nvidia been more in partners with gaming companies then actually them been better.
Same reason you see SoE spamming all over PS and their games that it runs great on intel.Doubt intel is better then AMD.
On a side note the X800pro has owned the FX6800 in many benchmarks however still too early to read into those.Maybe the FX6800 would do better who knows.
Hmm.. I don't know where you got that from...
"Even the much less expensive X800 Pro with its 12 pipes can beat the GeForce 6800 Ultra in some game tests. The price difference of about $100 will certainly be an argument that could win over a number of undecided buyers" - www.tomshardware.com
It's basically the price of the Nvidea that makes me lean towards the x800 but i'm still not positive on what to get.
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays
Yep even if those benchmarks turn out to be wrong and the FX6800 beats the X800 for the price i would go X800 anyday.
Way i look at things is like this.In 2 years when i have to change my card to keep up would i look back and say bah i used $400 for that card 2 years ago or bah i used $500 for that card 2 years ago.
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays
Ok, second edit did the trick. The links are working now.
Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4131441724&category=67864&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1
This guy bought an ATI Radeon 9800XT for 127 is that pound, franks, or euro dollars. Any ways, it is way cheaper than 499 US $. I thought it sounded fishy, but its true. Check out this thread about it:
http://www.motherboards.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46710&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays
I've fixed them rathma. They should work now.
I'm having to use the traditional BBML because my MS Office files got corrupted. Not used to using BBML
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Just read about some news concerning the release on a new board for AMD processors with the 939 pin set up. It is supposed to hit the market by the end of this month. I'm not going to copy the article because it is quite lengthly, but here's the link:
http://www.cooltechzone.com/reviews/motherboards/mobonewsstory_003.php
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Dude someone with so much theortical knowledge about computer parts as you should make that final plunge and actually start building it yourself and save the oh $500 -$1000 this companies all east up.
When i build my first system i used retail parts which was a huge mistake because it only saved me about £300($500) on what i could have paid from a leading company.Second system saved me a whooping £400($650) using OEM.
And you know whats great about it all most parts are guaranteed for 2 yrs- lifetime(both my HD have life warranty lol).So most of this companies say oh we giving you a 1 -2 year guarantee as if they doing a great thing but fact is all the parts have that warranty as it stands.The only part that always carries low time warranty is the Gcards which is still from 1-3 years depends on company.
You know what needs to go into a system which is 50% of the work done all you got to do is now learn to assemble and not waste that money on a company director hehe.Think what $500-$1000 can do for you and what better upgrade you can get for that
I feel kicked out of my own thread...
lol
great advice guys, keep it up
http://www.facebook.com/murtb
Well look who shows up....anyways...
lol, herc I do know I will save money..I am saving and will make the decesion in the future but I feel like just buying an ultimate gaming machine, cause well you don't know my "plan". But I just might build my own, but hey if Falcon NW does what i want in a Fragbox I am getting it.
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|_105th Panzer Brigade_|
http://wraithclan-online.tk
Consdeing all this computer shops buy and put things in the system there is nothing you can't buy easy that is the machine they sell yourself apart from the case.
If i build a system using identical parts to what alienware uses does my computer perform worse because some dude with an alienware jumper put it together?I think not.Different cases same stuff same performance and hell of a lot cheaper.
If you even think about it you would probably make a better system yourself then what any shop sells because you know the brand you are buying.Take RAM sticks we all know some brand are faster then others.You go to a online shop says 1GB RAM yep thats great but do u know the brand.Nope.You build yourself you can actually know that you kept in the best.
Hey Murt. Guess what? My PC owns yours.
My 5900 is modded to a 5950 Ultra. My speeds are 500/1000. I have 1GB of Corsair XMS Extreme DDR400 RAM.
I RoXorZ joo!
What will he do next?
DJIN!
YOU ARE BACK!!!!
for one post again i presume?...lol, where have you been!?
judging by your 100 going down to a 15...not on the site
:P
http://www.facebook.com/murtb
damn, guess i owe ya 10 bucks. coulda sworn he was dea... erm... welcome back!
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i thought windows media center edition was only avaliable if i bought it from alienware or gateway or something. i was just going to use windows xp home, if i can use the same disk i use on my desktop. and i dont have an xbox... so no.
ok ill do some research. and the shuttle xpc case. the motherboard is built in i believe. the psu is kind of small, but i dont plan to work it too hard.
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