Originally posted by Mickle Is it possible to over cool a system? Say around 38C.
38 degrees C is not over cooling your system. Most of the processors and chip sets we all use today have a minimum operating temperature of 0 degrees C, though most thermal engineers would recommend not freezing your system , and the maximum operating temperature is usually between 85 to 95 degrees C depending on what type of processor or chip set you have this could be a few degrees higher or lower. As long as you are keeping your temperatures down below 65 degrees C, your system should run at peak performance.
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Application Application for AMD XP 3200+ and higher now...i was wondering since it says application for amd xp 3200 and higher....and i have a 2500, can i still use it? plus, all i have to do now is to remove my current heatsink and fan, scratch off the grey, apply new artic silver in that grey area and attach this? is it a good heatsink?
Yes, it will work. The dimensions, socket, and weight on the heat sink all jive with your processor.
This link will help you a great deal. I would download it and keep it for future reference as well.
So I will be ordering it from ibuypower, but I have a little bit of money left over so I'm wondering what I should do with it.
I could upgrade to AMD 3000 instead of the 2500, or upgrade to 1 Gig of RAM, or just keep the 512 but change that to kingston or corsair, or get the radeon 9800 PRO and sell my 9600 xt.
Again this is mainly to play world of warcraft with, so which of these changes will improve the running of that game the most?
ok the upgrade that you can do now that will save you money right NOW is the processor...
i have an amd 2500 (as everyone knows from my siggy) and err...you don't want it.
It overheats, it gives blue screens of death, it freezes, and it can't handle too many programs
Now i wish back when i bought mine that i had spent the extra 50 bucks then and there and gotten a better processor...
the ram you can always upgrade later, the graphics card...well, even SOE has said that no graphics card out on the market now can play EQII at maxed out graphics..thus, meaning also the 9800's.
I would really stay with that one, but since you're getting the computer with a crappy one (and i hope the 9600 xt is still packaged in retail) you coudl sell the 9600, and keep the crappy one for a while.
or if u can just scrap up the extra cash, go the full 9 yards...
but everything upgrades so fast, you're "dream graphcis card" will not be the best anymore in just a week (i had my 9800 xt just two months before it was blown away by the 6800 and x800)
What kind of heatsink did you get? Did you get one that screws into your motherboard or one that clips onto your motherboard? There's two different kinds of heatsinks. Did you buy Arctic Silver 5? You can check their webpage for full instructions on how to install a heatsink and add AS5.
You don't "scratch" anything off. You need very high % rubbing alcohol [around 91%] and a non lint cloth... something like a cloth that's used to clean glasses... or something silk. You don't want to even touch the heatsink with your fingers either since you will leave a 0.002mm layer of oil from your fingers that can screw up the AS5. There's really nothing dangerous, just a little time consuming.
You have to put on a thin layer of AS5, it's really thick. If you put to much on, it's going to make it not work, if you don't put enough on, then it won't work. What you're trying to do is create a small layer just big enough to fit that gap once everything is connected....
Just go to the Arctic Silver webpage... their directions are very easy to understand. If you still need help, just ask... I'm here.
thanks djin, even though you have been banned from this site...i still think that you are one of the most informative on here
Originally posted by MurtBijani ok the upgrade that you can do now that will save you money right NOW is the processor... i have an amd 2500 (as everyone knows from my siggy) and err...you don't want it. It overheats, it gives blue screens of death, it freezes, and it can't handle too many programs Now i wish back when i bought mine that i had spent the extra 50 bucks then and there and gotten a better processor... the ram you can always upgrade later, the graphics card...well, even SOE has said that no graphics card out on the market now can play EQII at maxed out graphics..thus, meaning also the 9800's. I would really stay with that one, but since you're getting the computer with a crappy one (and i hope the 9600 xt is still packaged in retail) you coudl sell the 9600, and keep the crappy one for a while. or if u can just scrap up the extra cash, go the full 9 yards... but everything upgrades so fast, you're "dream graphcis card" will not be the best anymore in just a week (i had my 9800 xt just two months before it was blown away by the 6800 and x800)
The processor is good...you see murt just cause it happens to you does not mean it is bad for everyone else. You do realize you don't know the physical operation of how they put your computer togethor.
Also I want to know where SOE said that I am interested.
Plus cool new heatsink though the whole jet engine thing...cool but not. For me the the whole case would have to be modded out and tricked out to look like a plane and silver yeah I would do that to O_o. lol.
if you have trouble with your Athlons freezing up. Lower the clockspeed.
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This is probably the best place to discuss the new video cards for Geforce and Radeon revealed at E3 this year. Any thoughts/opinions on which one is better for what: Post 'em here!!
Originally posted by TallonX sorry for being off topic, but can someone tell me a good radeon 9800 pro heatsink/fan i cld buy, and also a good powersupply 420+ thnx
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Sorry it took me so long to reply p.
By the way you stated your question, I assumed you didn't want to cool it with a liquid cooler or fan card type cooler so I limited my suggestions, but I did include a fan card cooler as an option or in addition if you're still have trouble with heat.
Vantec makes a nice, reasonably priced and good looking vga cooler. The VANTEC ICEBERG 4 CCB-A4C is compatible with your 9800 series card. Don't buy the pro one. It is for nVidia cards and won't be compatible with your 9800 card. This site list specs and a review on this vga cooler along with some other advice:
The least expensive price I found on the net, and in addition it was one of the few places this product was in stock because of its popularity, was at Directron.com for $12.50 .
You could also install a fan card cooler if you wanted. Just depends on how much you want to overclock, and if you are having any heat buildup problems. It will cool your card temp by as much as 8 degrees C. Not bad consider price. Noisey though, and it does take up one of your pci slots though so if you don't have a spare pci slot or room this isn't an option. The Vantec UV Spectrum Fan Card sells for $14.95 at Sidewinder Computers.
If you need more help, here are some good sites with different ideas on cooling mods for your system:
As far as power supplies, the Enermax 460w Power Supply is a good one and is pretty quiet to boot. You can research other power supplies at the thetechlounge as well.
Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
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Let me stop right now to say on the "eye candy 10 point scale" (yes I made it up!) this game ranks at about a 12. The only time I have seen graphics on this level is on the 30 second demos that accompany the latest cutting-edge 3D adapters. The characters and the world look as close to lifelike as I believe technology will currently allow.In fact, we were informed that no system on today's market can come close to running EQII with all the visual settings maxed out (or at least with a tolerable frame rate)...so this will be a game to utilize future processor and video technologies not yet on the market.
Originally posted by TallonX Artic VGA silencer IS that a good enuf coller ? for teh video card?
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Hey TallonX
I had heard of the Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer. I had remembered reading good review on it except for the fact it had some deep groves in it so I would use Artic Silver 5 or similar product instead of the thermal goop it comes with as suggested by the author of the review. Read this articel here and this one as well:
The Arctic product should be as good as the Vantec. Both are trusted products among modders. I hope you didn't pay more than 15 to 16 US dollars + shipping and taxes for it though.
BTW, did you take a look at that power supply or did you find something else?
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Originally posted by ChronicRick This is probably the best place to discuss the new video cards for Geforce and Radeon revealed at E3 this year. Any thoughts/opinions on which one is better for what: Post 'em here!!
There were actually more performance tests than what I have listed, but you can see all of them in the article. The article also contains the specs on the systems used to test the cards.
Test System-quoted directly from AnandTech
"The Test
The key factor in the ongoing battle is DirectX 9 performance. We will be taking the hardest look at games that exploit PS 2.0, but that's not all people play (and there aren't very many on the market yet), we have included some past favorites as well.
NVIDIA Beta ForceWare 60.72 NVIDIA Beta ForceWare 61.11 ATI CATALYST BETA (version unknown) ATI CATALYST 4.4
We didn't observe any performance difference when moving to the Beta CATAYLST from 4.4 on 9800 XT, so we chose to forgo retesting everything on the new drivers. Also, the 61.11 driver does show a slight increase in performance on NVIDIA cards, so we retested previously benchmarked hardware with the 61.11 drivers. Old numbers will be left in the benchmarks for completeness sake."
So as Gunblade said there are pros and cons to both the ATI and nVidia cards. Enjoy.
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I looked up a few tests last couple weeks and knew i'd be definitley going for the X800 pro. I having been looking at the X800 XT, but when converting that money from U.S. to Canadian, it looks far to pricey. Oh well, the X800 Pro still gives outstanding performance, and will be great moving from a crappy 9200SE to an X800 Pro, the fps difference will be scary, in a good way of course
Originally posted by MurtBijani The heatsink didn't fit it was like scraping the back of the powersupply, thus, not allowing the clips to be clipped... now i have to get a new case to use it
Lol Murt. Sorry to hear that p. That's the draw back of that particular type of fan/heatsink combo. You have to take into account the amount of room in the case. What kind of case are you going to get or maybe you could mod your current case????
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38 degrees C is not over cooling your system. Most of the processors and chip sets we all use today have a minimum operating temperature of 0 degrees C, though most thermal engineers would recommend not freezing your system
, and the maximum operating temperature is usually between 85 to 95 degrees C depending on what type of processor or chip set you have this could be a few degrees higher or lower. As long as you are keeping your temperatures down below 65 degrees C, your system should run at peak performance.
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Yes, it will work. The dimensions, socket, and weight on the heat sink all jive with your processor.
This link will help you a great deal. I would download it and keep it for future reference as well.
AMD Socket A and Heat Sink Installation Guide
Here's another helpful tech manual as well:
Methodologies for Measuring Temp. on AMD Athlon and Duron Processors
BTW, what brand is it and how much did you pay for it?
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I got it from http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php
it's a Cooler Master Jet 7 Sleeved
ASB-V83
and it was 42 bucks...looks like this
oh and btw rabid...you rock
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Ty Murt.
I've looked at the jet fans before over traditional fans. Good product both in performance and aesthetically for the price.
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Thanks for the response murt.
So I will be ordering it from ibuypower, but I have a little bit of money left over so I'm wondering what I should do with it.
I could upgrade to AMD 3000 instead of the 2500, or upgrade to 1 Gig of RAM, or just keep the 512 but change that to kingston or corsair, or get the radeon 9800 PRO and sell my 9600 xt.
Again this is mainly to play world of warcraft with, so which of these changes will improve the running of that game the most?
Thanks a lot.
ok the upgrade that you can do now that will save you money right NOW is the processor...
i have an amd 2500 (as everyone knows from my siggy
) and err...you don't want it.
It overheats, it gives blue screens of death, it freezes, and it can't handle too many programs
Now i wish back when i bought mine that i had spent the extra 50 bucks then and there and gotten a better processor...
the ram you can always upgrade later, the graphics card...well, even SOE has said that no graphics card out on the market now can play EQII at maxed out graphics..thus, meaning also the 9800's.
I would really stay with that one, but since you're getting the computer with a crappy one (and i hope the 9600 xt is still packaged in retail) you coudl sell the 9600, and keep the crappy one for a while.
or if u can just scrap up the extra cash, go the full 9 yards...
but everything upgrades so fast, you're "dream graphcis card" will not be the best anymore in just a week (i had my 9800 xt just two months before it was blown away by the 6800 and x800)
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sorry for being off topic, but can someone tell me a good radeon 9800 pro heatsink/fan i cld buy, and also a good powersupply 420+ thnx
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The processor is good...you see murt just cause it happens to you does not mean it is bad for everyone else. You do realize you don't know the physical operation of how they put your computer togethor.
Also I want to know where SOE said that I am interested.
Plus cool new heatsink though the whole jet engine thing...cool but not. For me the the whole case would have to be modded out and tricked out to look like a plane and silver yeah I would do that to O_o. lol.
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ok well when i asked you about my cpu freezing etc.you said and I QUOTE! "Many people I know with an amd 2500 have that same problem"
and the thing about SOE, remember when admin got to play EQII? did you read his "journal"?
he mentions it in there...he also restated that in the chatroom that night.
so it must be true, admin doesn't tell lies.
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Sorry it took me so long to reply p.
By the way you stated your question, I assumed you didn't want to cool it with a liquid cooler or fan card type cooler so I limited my suggestions, but I did include a fan card cooler as an option or in addition if you're still have trouble with heat.
Vantec makes a nice, reasonably priced and good looking vga cooler. The VANTEC ICEBERG 4 CCB-A4C is compatible with your 9800 series card. Don't buy the pro one. It is for nVidia cards and won't be compatible with your 9800 card. This site list specs and a review on this vga cooler along with some other advice:
thetechlounge
The least expensive price I found on the net, and in addition it was one of the few places this product was in stock because of its popularity, was at Directron.com for $12.50 .
You could also install a fan card cooler if you wanted. Just depends on how much you want to overclock, and if you are having any heat buildup problems. It will cool your card temp by as much as 8 degrees C. Not bad consider price. Noisey though, and it does take up one of your pci slots though so if you don't have a spare pci slot or room this isn't an option. The Vantec UV Spectrum Fan Card sells for $14.95 at Sidewinder Computers.
If you need more help, here are some good sites with different ideas on cooling mods for your system:
Hardcoreware.net
Overclockers.com
Overclockerscafe.com
As far as power supplies, the Enermax 460w Power Supply is a good one and is pretty quiet to boot. You can research other power supplies at the thetechlounge as well.
Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
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http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/features/loadfeature/1/gameID/2/page/1
Let me stop right now to say on the "eye candy 10 point scale" (yes I made it up!) this game ranks at about a 12. The only time I have seen graphics on this level is on the 30 second demos that accompany the latest cutting-edge 3D adapters. The characters and the world look as close to lifelike as I believe technology will currently allow.In fact, we were informed that no system on today's market can come close to running EQII with all the visual settings maxed out (or at least with a tolerable frame rate)...so this will be a game to utilize future processor and video technologies not yet on the market.
proof enough?
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Artic VGA silencer
IS that a good enuf coller ? for teh video card?
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yea I'm pretty sure i can run normal graphics on my 9800 xt...maybe a bit higher than normal
who knows
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Hey TallonX
I had heard of the Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer. I had remembered reading good review on it except for the fact it had some deep groves in it so I would use Artic Silver 5 or similar product instead of the thermal goop it comes with as suggested by the author of the review. Read this articel here and this one as well:
HardwareHell-Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer
OverclockersClub
The Arctic product should be as good as the Vantec. Both are trusted products among modders. I hope you didn't pay more than 15 to 16 US dollars + shipping and taxes for it though.
BTW, did you take a look at that power supply or did you find something else?
"The probability of someone watching you is porportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Gunblade had a good post on this subject, but I thought I would throw in a link to a very good article on the new cards from ATI and nVidia.
AnandTech: ATI X800....
This article is quite lengthy with some technical specs behind how the cards work as well. Here is a shortcut to some of the bechmark tests:
Aquamark 3
FarCry
Halo
Homeworld 2
Final Fantasy XI
UT2K4
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
Neverwinter Nights: Shadow of the Undrentide Performance
There were actually more performance tests than what I have listed, but you can see all of them in the article. The article also contains the specs on the systems used to test the cards.
Test System-quoted directly from AnandTech
"The Test
The key factor in the ongoing battle is DirectX 9 performance. We will be taking the hardest look at games that exploit PS 2.0, but that's not all people play (and there aren't very many on the market yet), we have included some past favorites as well.
Our test system is:
FIC K8T800 Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 3400+
1GB OCZ PC3400 RAM
Segate 120GB PATA HDD
510W PC Power & Cooling PSU
The drivers we used in testing are:
NVIDIA Beta ForceWare 60.72
NVIDIA Beta ForceWare 61.11
ATI CATALYST BETA (version unknown)
ATI CATALYST 4.4
We didn't observe any performance difference when moving to the Beta CATAYLST from 4.4 on 9800 XT, so we chose to forgo retesting everything on the new drivers. Also, the 61.11 driver does show a slight increase in performance on NVIDIA cards, so we retested previously benchmarked hardware with the 61.11 drivers. Old numbers will be left in the benchmarks for completeness sake."
So as Gunblade said there are pros and cons to both the ATI and nVidia cards. Enjoy.
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The heatsink didn't fit
it was like scraping the back of the powersupply, thus, not allowing the clips to be clipped...
now i have to get a new case to use it
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I'm not sure what type to get...
I'm on a budget, can't go over 150 (that's all i have in the bank :P)
and uhh...well i want another nice gaming case (like the one i have )
but..better
with more room
i was looking at thermaltake, but they're all the same..
I was also looking at the raidmax samarui, however, I'm not sure if it has enough room either...
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well...i might do that..
but I need a case with more room between the motherboard and the power supply...
my case dimesions are following..
200 x 450 x 430 mm = 7.9" x 17.0" x 17.3"
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