I believe they're in denial myself but there's the article.
Me personally I'm going to believe the company that runs the game before I believe a bunch of people who are hell bent on thinking everyone in the world must think the same way they do, I mean most of the people on this site hate WOW does it mean WOW is lying about their sub numbers? (well actually many of these same trolls have excuses for why the numbers they release can't possibly be true either).
Having said that I do think that it's possible marketing practices like everyone playing for free for like the last two to three weeks helps but I also see this as a good thing (whether it's because they are bleeding subs or not).
It's good to see a game that I enjoy as much as I do TOR give the customers something for what I consider to be nothing. I mean honestly this far in TOR is a much better game than say STO in the same time frame of release and all Cryptic ever did was release more c store crap constantly even with the knowledge that a large percentage of the player base was not happy with what they were doing including the constant releases onto the c store.
the bottom line is only time will tell where TOR is going to end up for my money I see then getting and keeping about 600-700k players but to break the million mark and sustain that level it seems they'll have to take care of the pvp crowd.
Then believe what Bioware says. "Concurrent players" have declined. Normally in the PR world, you don't admit that until you have no other choice. Any hint of decline spooks investors, especially when there are several MMOs who want capital right now.
Concurrent players are those actually playing the game right now. they are the perception of strength in the game. And in many ways, perception is reality. So while subscribers may or may not have actually declined, the amount of people playing currently has, and steeply. This Bioware has confirmed. The talk about "new ways to get people coming back" means right now, many subscribed to the game are bored as hell.
With the oversaturation of F2P MMOs, as well as numerous other PC/console games, this is dangerous. Once the persons high is gone, it's normally tough to get them high again on the same game. They go searching for another fix. If your "new content" brings back even 1/3rd of the people who stopped playing actively, that's considered a success. So most these people who are left aren't returning. That's a simple rule of MMO gameplay.
As far as WoW, people have made their peace with it. Love it or hate it, it's a freaking monster. WoW could have a decade's worth of "bad years" and still dwarf the competition.
What I find funny is that the answer of "ways to keep someone logged in" are "more daily quests."
Even the most ardent grinder quickly becomes bored with dailies. Everyone else recognizes dailies for what they are, filler trying to mask the fact that you, as a developer, are too damn lazy to actually innovate.
Another problem with how Bioware / everybody else implements dailies are that they become a chore to grind some kind of currency / token / reputation etc which is then needed to "progress" the end-game. And when a MMO starts to become a chore, whereby I mean, I have to work it like a job, and not miss my daily schedule, a lot of people are out, me included.
Oh god that would be so classic if at their next meeting they say they have 1.7 million subs again with additional vague descriptors to state a certain portion of them are paying customers. Sure they can go higher now though. May as well since its all smoke and mirrors anyways.
They just need to stop worrying and embrace the big lie.
At the next releasing of numbers, say two million are now playing. Why not?!
I believe they're in denial myself but there's the article.
Me personally I'm going to believe the company that runs the game before I believe a bunch of people who are hell bent on thinking everyone in the world must think the same way they do, I mean most of the people on this site hate WOW does it mean WOW is lying about their sub numbers? (well actually many of these same trolls have excuses for why the numbers they release can't possibly be true either).
Having said that I do think that it's possible marketing practices like everyone playing for free for like the last two to three weeks helps but I also see this as a good thing (whether it's because they are bleeding subs or not).
It's good to see a game that I enjoy as much as I do TOR give the customers something for what I consider to be nothing. I mean honestly this far in TOR is a much better game than say STO in the same time frame of release and all Cryptic ever did was release more c store crap constantly even with the knowledge that a large percentage of the player base was not happy with what they were doing including the constant releases onto the c store.
the bottom line is only time will tell where TOR is going to end up for my money I see then getting and keeping about 600-700k players but to break the million mark and sustain that level it seems they'll have to take care of the pvp crowd.
Then believe what Bioware says. "Concurrent players" have declined. Normally in the PR world, you don't admit that until you have no other choice. Any hint of decline spooks investors, especially when there are several MMOs who want capital right now.
Concurrent players are those actually playing the game right now. they are the perception of strength in the game. And in many ways, perception is reality. So while subscribers may or may not have actually declined, the amount of people playing currently has, and steeply. This Bioware has confirmed. The talk about "new ways to get people coming back" means right now, many subscribed to the game are bored as hell.
With the oversaturation of F2P MMOs, as well as numerous other PC/console games, this is dangerous. Once the persons high is gone, it's normally tough to get them high again on the same game. They go searching for another fix. If your "new content" brings back even 1/3rd of the people who stopped playing actively, that's considered a success. So most these people who are left aren't returning. That's a simple rule of MMO gameplay.
As far as WoW, people have made their peace with it. Love it or hate it, it's a freaking monster. WoW could have a decade's worth of "bad years" and still dwarf the competition.
This is so true. I almost never go back to a MMO after I unsub, WOW and WAR the only two exceptions. And even with those, I never resubed for longer than my initial sub period. I might someday return to SWTOR, but with all of the other options out there now and the MMO's scheduled to release soon, I don't think I'll ever return to SWTOR.
O and if they end up going F2P, that will not change anything for me. I didn't return to STO or DCUO after they went F2P. I value my entertainment more than the few bucks it costs to sub a game.
Yeah, you give everyone who ever had an acocunt free game time and then consider their account active.
See how that works?
Funcom's been doing it for years.....nothing new there.
Funcom haven't said anything about subscribers since 2008 so good job with that statement. The only way you can approximate the number of subscribers is by going through their financial report.
Oh please....About once a quarter I get an offer to have free time for AO Al I have to do is sign up. But I have to activate my account with my CC. I can cancel before it get's hit but I still have an active Sub.
Funcom still has investors. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out they are playing up their numbers to appease investors. So, yeah...
Just because you "need" TSW to be the next "it" game, doesn't make Funcom the altruistic white knights of the industry out to save the game for the player's sake. This company is questionable. I've been around Funcom long enough to know that.
EA and BW are doing the exact same thing here. It doesn't take much to make it look like you have active subs and yet still no one plays.
Hmm odd. I figured it would have, like, 2.3 million subs by now. Come on, it is an awesome, inspired game that everyone is clamoring to play! But still, it has exactly the same number of subs it had in January!
Wonder if they are counting the *entire* group of people I played with who are completely gone and have been for a month? ;-)
I liked the game while I played it, and even would enjoy it well enough now, but clearly this is spin intended to save their corporate arses from the incoming shit storm that is about to send a lot of people into unemployment. They need to keep it up as long as possible, and hole up in their bunker while the Russians blow their city to shit talking about how awesome things are going. If they stop, the investors sell--this is damage control to keep the investors from fleeing, and taking the share price with them.
This was not information intended for our consumption--players pretty much know the score I think. It is the investors this information is meant to con.
The guild I was in had 48 active members. Not actual toons but 48 individual folks. if you counted the alts I was close to 120 total names in the guild list. Out of that Only 5 folks are logging in. me the wife, and 2 officers, and a recruit, not even the guild leader could be bothered to log in any more.
So we left am now looking for another guild to be in. This is on Taro Blood Server. There is only one guild last night advertising. Cant remember the name but they are a pacific based guild with raid times for pacific time. I asked the guy he was like yes were based out of San Diego, and I was like you do realize that Taro Blood is an east coast sever.
There were 129 folks on the empire fleet the rest were spread out to the other planets and about 100 folks spread around the different planets. Republic side was just as bad with 12 on coruscant, and 42 on the republic fleet. That means probably last night at 8pm est there was around 380 players total online on that server. It used to be at lest double that amount.
All one has to do is log in and see that folks are not playing even if they are still subbed. However I think they counted everybody who ever entered a credit card to get there 1.7 million. There is no way that many are playing.
My wife summed it up last night, she hates the game and said " It is star wars its the only reason why I am playing" Well I'm not like that I am board, and that is why so many folks are not playing. It has become about how many commendation's you can grind now to get the newest piece of armor/weapon or whatever.
After you rolled one of each class you loose that re-playability factor. Honestly in 6 months if this game is even around it will have to be free to play, I just cant see folks being subbed up to this game in the state it is in.
They can Jedi the numbers all they want - they can't Jedi the missing money from lack of subscriptions. Lucas is immune and the investors will go Stewie Wants His Money on EA if they stop getting cash. It's just a matter of time if things don't turn around quickly.
EA is the death knell for mmo's. i don't know why companies go into to business with them, their bad PR and negative reputation among the gaming community rubs off on every company they touch. Bioware are finished.
bioware wont let my account die, i cancelled 2 months ago, got reactivated with 7 days game time a week and a half ago or something, 10 days later, my account is still playable and i didnt resub at all.... no wonder why they say the game is doing great and they havent lost subscribers... the next investor call is gonna look great for them, considering they are just letting everyone play for free.. even people who dont wanna play
Yah, oddly I can log into mine too and I haven't been paying or playing since Feb, just checked on my son's computer that still had it installed. Maybe my 7 days kicked in or something I dunno..No reason I'd get the 30 days free since I didn't pay or play in March/April.
first: 1.2 gave a week of free play for everyone with a lvl 50 char (or a certain legacy lvl)
second: he (or she) who had an active sub this month, got an extra month for free.
third: if you don't pay (or did not qualify for the mentions above), your acc got closed. simple as that.
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1 - EVERY account ever made inactive or active got 7 days game time for 1.2
2 - any account that was active which had a level 50 character got 30 days.. wasnt enough of them it got changed to level 50 OR level 6 legacy got a months free play time, apparently not enough again andeventually changed to anyone with an active sub got 30 days free time...
3 - i cancelled and have not been billed for ToR since febuary, i got 7 days free time and 2 days before that ended my account got 30 days free time on it... how strange, they wont let me account die considering i havent made a single payment on it since feb.
3 - i cancelled and have not been billed for ToR since febuary, i got 7 days free time and 2 days before that ended my account got 30 days free time on it... how strange, they wont let me account die considering i havent made a single payment on it since feb.
bioware wont let my account die, i cancelled 2 months ago, got reactivated with 7 days game time a week and a half ago or something, 10 days later, my account is still playable and i didnt resub at all.... no wonder why they say the game is doing great and they havent lost subscribers... the next investor call is gonna look great for them, considering they are just letting everyone play for free.. even people who dont wanna play
Yah, oddly I can log into mine too and I haven't been paying or playing since Feb, just checked on my son's computer that still had it installed. Maybe my 7 days kicked in or something I dunno..No reason I'd get the 30 days free since I didn't pay or play in March/April.
first: 1.2 gave a week of free play for everyone with a lvl 50 char (or a certain legacy lvl)
second: he (or she) who had an active sub this month, got an extra month for free.
third: if you don't pay (or did not qualify for the mentions above), your acc got closed. simple as that.
incorrect
1 - EVERY account ever made inactive or active got 7 days game time for 1.2
2 - any account that was active which had a level 50 character got 30 days.. wasnt enough of them it got changed to level 50 OR level 6 legacy got a months free play time, apparently not enough again andeventually changed to anyone with an active sub got 30 days free time...
3 - i cancelled and have not been billed for ToR since febuary, i got 7 days free time and 2 days before that ended my account got 30 days free time on it... how strange, they wont let me account die considering i havent made a single payment on it since feb.
Incorrect. I did not have a level 50 or legacy level 6 and I got charged.
bioware wont let my account die, i cancelled 2 months ago, got reactivated with 7 days game time a week and a half ago or something, 10 days later, my account is still playable and i didnt resub at all.... no wonder why they say the game is doing great and they havent lost subscribers... the next investor call is gonna look great for them, considering they are just letting everyone play for free.. even people who dont wanna play
Yah, oddly I can log into mine too and I haven't been paying or playing since Feb, just checked on my son's computer that still had it installed. Maybe my 7 days kicked in or something I dunno..No reason I'd get the 30 days free since I didn't pay or play in March/April.
first: 1.2 gave a week of free play for everyone with a lvl 50 char (or a certain legacy lvl)
second: he (or she) who had an active sub this month, got an extra month for free.
third: if you don't pay (or did not qualify for the mentions above), your acc got closed. simple as that.
incorrect
1 - EVERY account ever made inactive or active got 7 days game time for 1.2
2 - any account that was active which had a level 50 character got 30 days.. wasnt enough of them it got changed to level 50 OR level 6 legacy got a months free play time, apparently not enough again andeventually changed to anyone with an active sub got 30 days free time...
3 - i cancelled and have not been billed for ToR since febuary, i got 7 days free time and 2 days before that ended my account got 30 days free time on it... how strange, they wont let me account die considering i havent made a single payment on it since feb.
Incorrect. I did not have a level 50 or legacy level 6 and I got charged.
charged for what.. at what point did i say anything about spending money?
bioware wont let my account die, i cancelled 2 months ago, got reactivated with 7 days game time a week and a half ago or something, 10 days later, my account is still playable and i didnt resub at all.... no wonder why they say the game is doing great and they havent lost subscribers... the next investor call is gonna look great for them, considering they are just letting everyone play for free.. even people who dont wanna play
Yah, oddly I can log into mine too and I haven't been paying or playing since Feb, just checked on my son's computer that still had it installed. Maybe my 7 days kicked in or something I dunno..No reason I'd get the 30 days free since I didn't pay or play in March/April.
first: 1.2 gave a week of free play for everyone with a lvl 50 char (or a certain legacy lvl)
second: he (or she) who had an active sub this month, got an extra month for free.
third: if you don't pay (or did not qualify for the mentions above), your acc got closed. simple as that.
incorrect
1 - EVERY account ever made inactive or active got 7 days game time for 1.2
2 - any account that was active which had a level 50 character got 30 days.. wasnt enough of them it got changed to level 50 OR level 6 legacy got a months free play time, apparently not enough again andeventually changed to anyone with an active sub got 30 days free time...
3 - i cancelled and have not been billed for ToR since febuary, i got 7 days free time and 2 days before that ended my account got 30 days free time on it... how strange, they wont let me account die considering i havent made a single payment on it since feb.
Incorrect. I did not have a level 50 or legacy level 6 and I got charged.
charged for what.. at what point did i say anything about spending money?
I had an active account and was charged, so no they did not give everyone 30 days of free time.
bioware wont let my account die, i cancelled 2 months ago, got reactivated with 7 days game time a week and a half ago or something, 10 days later, my account is still playable and i didnt resub at all.... no wonder why they say the game is doing great and they havent lost subscribers... the next investor call is gonna look great for them, considering they are just letting everyone play for free.. even people who dont wanna play
Yah, oddly I can log into mine too and I haven't been paying or playing since Feb, just checked on my son's computer that still had it installed. Maybe my 7 days kicked in or something I dunno..No reason I'd get the 30 days free since I didn't pay or play in March/April.
first: 1.2 gave a week of free play for everyone with a lvl 50 char (or a certain legacy lvl)
second: he (or she) who had an active sub this month, got an extra month for free.
third: if you don't pay (or did not qualify for the mentions above), your acc got closed. simple as that.
incorrect
1 - EVERY account ever made inactive or active got 7 days game time for 1.2
2 - any account that was active which had a level 50 character got 30 days.. wasnt enough of them it got changed to level 50 OR level 6 legacy got a months free play time, apparently not enough again andeventually changed to anyone with an active sub got 30 days free time...
3 - i cancelled and have not been billed for ToR since febuary, i got 7 days free time and 2 days before that ended my account got 30 days free time on it... how strange, they wont let me account die considering i havent made a single payment on it since feb.
Incorrect. I did not have a level 50 or legacy level 6 and I got charged.
charged for what.. at what point did i say anything about spending money?
I had an active account and was charged, so no they did not give everyone 30 days of free time.
sounds like you got screwed.. i got 37 days of game time for unsubscribing in feb...
The Q-report is near, and they give out free month, and now count them as active supscribtions, or whatever they made up, to look alright. I bet by the end of the year, when they have 300 absolutely empty servers, they will say: "our sub numbers are actually growing, it's just that everyone is playing at different time."
i loved the game. now me and 34 another ppls from my guild quit.a friendly guild we used to do operations togheter around 30 ppls they leaved too.last time i was logged in the server was empty. BW become the bigest bs company ever. whata losers
EA is the death knell for mmo's. i don't know why companies go into to business with them, their bad PR and negative reputation among the gaming community rubs off on every company they touch. Bioware are finished.
Why? EA bought Bioware. And you own something, and have financial problems, you sell something, if the is right. Or you don't have financial problems, but someone offers you 10 000 USD for your 1999 used chevy tahoe, you sell it. It's business, it is a good deal.
I believe they're in denial myself but there's the article.
These guys are so lazy. This is just a rehash of the same talking points they gave in January. Try something new. Just like we kept hearing there were 1.7 million subs in January. And 1.7 million subs in February. And 1.7 million subs in March.
And, of course, all the denial of 'low pop' servers. That's what frosts me more than anything. People are begging for server mergers and character transfers. And it's like 'yeah, whatever, we're woking on it...' All while giving us this denial. Yet people, on the forums, post picutures of their guilds. One guy posted 8 pages. Over 300 toons and 100 unique people and he was the only one who'd logged in the past week. Even the guild leader hadn't logged in for a couple of weeks.
Yesterday, some poor guy was getting trolled by some BioDrones and posted pictures that he was the ONLY person in Sith-side Fleet. There were 40 on his entire server. He didn't even have to monkey with the /who command to list them all.
They may have subs. But the players behind them are leaving. And the subs will run out. And sales of this game are still dropping. They've been in the 87th/88th spots the past two weeks. Under 15K a week. You can't sustain a large MMO on just 15K/week sales. The attirtion rate, on a good MMO, is too high. Those kind of sales predict a future MMO with 250K to 350K players. Not a complete failure. If if were a $50 million MMO with their own IP. But they pay Lucas Arts 30% of everything. And they spent $200+ million in development and another $35 to $50 million in advertising.
And unique log-ins. Yesterday was the second-lowest total of unique log-ins yet. With April 13th the lowest ever. And now we're coming to the summer. MMO play peaks in March and slides till the end of the year. Then increases again to peak in March. Now there is another factor to drive people away -- good weather -- to go on top of dead sales and normal attrition.
i just don't know how these people can keep a straight face while lying through their teeth. It's as obvious as a coal party in a ballroom this game is contracting heavily.
This the same Bioware that said months ago they were implementing anti-aliasing only to add in the graphic toggle for it and not actually implement it? The same Bioware that waited until the last moment before announcing that Ranked Warzone's weren't gonna be in 1.2? The same Bioware that promised living, breathing worlds?
Sorry, I just don't trust anything they claim at this point.
Just out of curiosity, what were your expecatations for a living, breathing world?
Download Rift. Get through the starter area and into the main world. Ignore the rifts. Just LOOK at the scenry. It's alive.
Other games do it too. LOTRO. EQ2. They're good F2P examples. And they're old. And they did this when they started so don't give me this 'it's a young MMO' crap. Look at them. Go around those worlds.
Fireflies at night. Butterflies in the day. Birds flying. Bird song. Woodpeckers pecking. Creepy insect noises. Rabbits and squirrels running. Meadows of flowers. Brambles. Leaves fall off trees. Vines creep up things. Snow falls. Dust storms. It rains. We have NIGHT AND DAY CYCLES.
Heck, even some of the Korean F2P grind-fests like Mabinogi and Perfect World have more dynamic, alive worlds.
In other news, EA is about $.50 off it's 52 week low (which is also it's all time low, looks like, a few days ago) at right around $15 a share.
Down from it's 52 week high of ~$26 dollars ($11 dollar loss), Down from $21.30 shortly after the launch of TOR, and down from ~$19.50 on Feb 2. So, about a 25% loss in a couple months (while TOR has been under-performing, what are the chances...)
And the stock is trending lower....
Looks like there are plenty of people that are not impressed with EAs recent efforts, and they are not the people on this board.
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Then believe what Bioware says. "Concurrent players" have declined. Normally in the PR world, you don't admit that until you have no other choice. Any hint of decline spooks investors, especially when there are several MMOs who want capital right now.
Concurrent players are those actually playing the game right now. they are the perception of strength in the game. And in many ways, perception is reality. So while subscribers may or may not have actually declined, the amount of people playing currently has, and steeply. This Bioware has confirmed. The talk about "new ways to get people coming back" means right now, many subscribed to the game are bored as hell.
With the oversaturation of F2P MMOs, as well as numerous other PC/console games, this is dangerous. Once the persons high is gone, it's normally tough to get them high again on the same game. They go searching for another fix. If your "new content" brings back even 1/3rd of the people who stopped playing actively, that's considered a success. So most these people who are left aren't returning. That's a simple rule of MMO gameplay.
As far as WoW, people have made their peace with it. Love it or hate it, it's a freaking monster. WoW could have a decade's worth of "bad years" and still dwarf the competition.
Another problem with how Bioware / everybody else implements dailies are that they become a chore to grind some kind of currency / token / reputation etc which is then needed to "progress" the end-game. And when a MMO starts to become a chore, whereby I mean, I have to work it like a job, and not miss my daily schedule, a lot of people are out, me included.
They just need to stop worrying and embrace the big lie.
At the next releasing of numbers, say two million are now playing. Why not?!
This is so true. I almost never go back to a MMO after I unsub, WOW and WAR the only two exceptions. And even with those, I never resubed for longer than my initial sub period. I might someday return to SWTOR, but with all of the other options out there now and the MMO's scheduled to release soon, I don't think I'll ever return to SWTOR.
O and if they end up going F2P, that will not change anything for me. I didn't return to STO or DCUO after they went F2P. I value my entertainment more than the few bucks it costs to sub a game.
LMAO that sig Ref, oh it's hilarious
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
LMAO that sig Ref, oh it's hilarious
All credit to unclemo for this one, I am just the billboard.Oh please....About once a quarter I get an offer to have free time for AO Al I have to do is sign up. But I have to activate my account with my CC. I can cancel before it get's hit but I still have an active Sub.
Funcom still has investors. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out they are playing up their numbers to appease investors. So, yeah...
Just because you "need" TSW to be the next "it" game, doesn't make Funcom the altruistic white knights of the industry out to save the game for the player's sake. This company is questionable. I've been around Funcom long enough to know that.
EA and BW are doing the exact same thing here. It doesn't take much to make it look like you have active subs and yet still no one plays.
LOL
Hmm odd. I figured it would have, like, 2.3 million subs by now. Come on, it is an awesome, inspired game that everyone is clamoring to play! But still, it has exactly the same number of subs it had in January!
Wonder if they are counting the *entire* group of people I played with who are completely gone and have been for a month? ;-)
I liked the game while I played it, and even would enjoy it well enough now, but clearly this is spin intended to save their corporate arses from the incoming shit storm that is about to send a lot of people into unemployment. They need to keep it up as long as possible, and hole up in their bunker while the Russians blow their city to shit talking about how awesome things are going. If they stop, the investors sell--this is damage control to keep the investors from fleeing, and taking the share price with them.
This was not information intended for our consumption--players pretty much know the score I think. It is the investors this information is meant to con.
The guild I was in had 48 active members. Not actual toons but 48 individual folks. if you counted the alts I was close to 120 total names in the guild list. Out of that Only 5 folks are logging in. me the wife, and 2 officers, and a recruit, not even the guild leader could be bothered to log in any more.
So we left am now looking for another guild to be in. This is on Taro Blood Server. There is only one guild last night advertising. Cant remember the name but they are a pacific based guild with raid times for pacific time. I asked the guy he was like yes were based out of San Diego, and I was like you do realize that Taro Blood is an east coast sever.
There were 129 folks on the empire fleet the rest were spread out to the other planets and about 100 folks spread around the different planets. Republic side was just as bad with 12 on coruscant, and 42 on the republic fleet. That means probably last night at 8pm est there was around 380 players total online on that server. It used to be at lest double that amount.
All one has to do is log in and see that folks are not playing even if they are still subbed. However I think they counted everybody who ever entered a credit card to get there 1.7 million. There is no way that many are playing.
My wife summed it up last night, she hates the game and said " It is star wars its the only reason why I am playing" Well I'm not like that I am board, and that is why so many folks are not playing. It has become about how many commendation's you can grind now to get the newest piece of armor/weapon or whatever.
After you rolled one of each class you loose that re-playability factor. Honestly in 6 months if this game is even around it will have to be free to play, I just cant see folks being subbed up to this game in the state it is in.
They can Jedi the numbers all they want - they can't Jedi the missing money from lack of subscriptions. Lucas is immune
and the investors will go Stewie Wants His Money on EA if they stop getting cash. It's just a matter of time if things don't turn around quickly.
Avatars are people too
EA is the death knell for mmo's. i don't know why companies go into to business with them, their bad PR and negative reputation among the gaming community rubs off on every company they touch. Bioware are finished.
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1 - EVERY account ever made inactive or active got 7 days game time for 1.2
2 - any account that was active which had a level 50 character got 30 days.. wasnt enough of them it got changed to level 50 OR level 6 legacy got a months free play time, apparently not enough again andeventually changed to anyone with an active sub got 30 days free time...
3 - i cancelled and have not been billed for ToR since febuary, i got 7 days free time and 2 days before that ended my account got 30 days free time on it... how strange, they wont let me account die considering i havent made a single payment on it since feb.
You're a subscriber!
Part of the happy 1.7 million.
Incorrect. I did not have a level 50 or legacy level 6 and I got charged.
charged for what.. at what point did i say anything about spending money?
I had an active account and was charged, so no they did not give everyone 30 days of free time.
sounds like you got screwed.. i got 37 days of game time for unsubscribing in feb...
The Q-report is near, and they give out free month, and now count them as active supscribtions, or whatever they made up, to look alright. I bet by the end of the year, when they have 300 absolutely empty servers, they will say: "our sub numbers are actually growing, it's just that everyone is playing at different time."
i loved the game. now me and 34 another ppls from my guild quit.a friendly guild we used to do operations togheter around 30 ppls they leaved too.last time i was logged in the server was empty. BW become the bigest bs company ever. whata losers
Why? EA bought Bioware. And you own something, and have financial problems, you sell something, if the is right. Or you don't have financial problems, but someone offers you 10 000 USD for your 1999 used chevy tahoe, you sell it. It's business, it is a good deal.
These guys are so lazy. This is just a rehash of the same talking points they gave in January. Try something new. Just like we kept hearing there were 1.7 million subs in January. And 1.7 million subs in February. And 1.7 million subs in March.
And, of course, all the denial of 'low pop' servers. That's what frosts me more than anything. People are begging for server mergers and character transfers. And it's like 'yeah, whatever, we're woking on it...' All while giving us this denial. Yet people, on the forums, post picutures of their guilds. One guy posted 8 pages. Over 300 toons and 100 unique people and he was the only one who'd logged in the past week. Even the guild leader hadn't logged in for a couple of weeks.
Yesterday, some poor guy was getting trolled by some BioDrones and posted pictures that he was the ONLY person in Sith-side Fleet. There were 40 on his entire server. He didn't even have to monkey with the /who command to list them all.
They may have subs. But the players behind them are leaving. And the subs will run out. And sales of this game are still dropping. They've been in the 87th/88th spots the past two weeks. Under 15K a week. You can't sustain a large MMO on just 15K/week sales. The attirtion rate, on a good MMO, is too high. Those kind of sales predict a future MMO with 250K to 350K players. Not a complete failure. If if were a $50 million MMO with their own IP. But they pay Lucas Arts 30% of everything. And they spent $200+ million in development and another $35 to $50 million in advertising.
And unique log-ins. Yesterday was the second-lowest total of unique log-ins yet. With April 13th the lowest ever. And now we're coming to the summer. MMO play peaks in March and slides till the end of the year. Then increases again to peak in March. Now there is another factor to drive people away -- good weather -- to go on top of dead sales and normal attrition.
i just don't know how these people can keep a straight face while lying through their teeth. It's as obvious as a coal party in a ballroom this game is contracting heavily.
Dang, that was funny.
Download Rift. Get through the starter area and into the main world. Ignore the rifts. Just LOOK at the scenry. It's alive.
Other games do it too. LOTRO. EQ2. They're good F2P examples. And they're old. And they did this when they started so don't give me this 'it's a young MMO' crap. Look at them. Go around those worlds.
Fireflies at night. Butterflies in the day. Birds flying. Bird song. Woodpeckers pecking. Creepy insect noises. Rabbits and squirrels running. Meadows of flowers. Brambles. Leaves fall off trees. Vines creep up things. Snow falls. Dust storms. It rains. We have NIGHT AND DAY CYCLES.
Heck, even some of the Korean F2P grind-fests like Mabinogi and Perfect World have more dynamic, alive worlds.
Even SWG had more of a living, breathing world feel to it.
In other news, EA is about $.50 off it's 52 week low (which is also it's all time low, looks like, a few days ago) at right around $15 a share.
Down from it's 52 week high of ~$26 dollars ($11 dollar loss), Down from $21.30 shortly after the launch of TOR, and down from ~$19.50 on Feb 2. So, about a 25% loss in a couple months (while TOR has been under-performing, what are the chances...)
And the stock is trending lower....
Looks like there are plenty of people that are not impressed with EAs recent efforts, and they are not the people on this board.
The markets can smell out a stinker...