This beta weekend, riot against the gems and cash shop

niceguy3978

Originally posted by Ezekel

Originally posted by Betakodo

Originally posted by Amjoco

At first I didn't want to purchase anything from the cashshop, but if you think about it it helps build expansions. I'm all for purchasing and supporting my new gw2crack habit.

I disagree. The original box purchase helps build expansions, and they knowledge that they're going to charge you for the expansions is what helps build them. Think about it, how does a game get developed in the first place if there was no cash shop to support it before it even released? The price they have planned to charge you for the expansion is what builds expansions. There is no need for cash shop, that is just a convenient lie.

Corehaven, I paid $60 to be in the beta. Oooohhh my job. Umad you not get in? Besides, who knows if the beta will just be anything more than the builds shown at PAX anyways?

It took them 5 years to make GW2, that means they payed about 5 years worth of salaries from loans they need to pay off. If the average person from ANET makes just 30k a year and they have about 40 people thats 6 million in wages.

MMOs are incredibly pricey to make, and I would rather they have a cash shop then be forced to pump out expansions as fast as they did in GW1. If you dont like the cash shop then get out, its not going anywhere. Its not like they didnt tell you about it before you pre-purchased.

Anet is owned by NCSOFT, I don't think they were taking out loans to pay salaries.  

Betakodo

Originally posted by Ezekel

It took them 5 years to make GW2, that means they payed about 5 years worth of salaries from loans they need to pay off. If the average person from ANET makes just 30k a year and they have about 40 people thats 6 million in wages.

MMOs are incredibly pricey to make, and I would rather they have a cash shop then be forced to pump out expansions as fast as they did in GW1. If you dont like the cash shop then get out, its not going anywhere. Its not like they didnt tell you about it before you pre-purchased.

What's $60 X a million buyers? $60,000,000. How many gamers are out there now-a-days compared to the SNES era? Don't know, you can take a look at how many beta applications they got. Or use WoW's population estimate.

 

CharLizzard, fight the power first! Then the pirate clothes will be given to you as part of your $60 right! As it should have been, it game in it's natural state!

Fir3line

I dont care about any item currently in the cashshop(and i may hv already used gw2 cash shop)

BeansnBread

Originally posted by Betakodo

Originally posted by colddog04

I'm pro gems. Now everyone is on even footing instead of people getting to buy gold illegally.

That doesn't solve the problem of people using real world money to buy in game stuff, specifically currency. There's a reason it was illegal, it's because it was unfair and not sporting. At worst, it could be like a war of throwing dollars at Arenanet for advantages in game.

There's no problem to solve.

 

They buy gems with real money. They sell gems to me. I give them gold. I get gems.

 

I spend time to get gems. They save time by paying cash. It removes a time sink for them and allows me to buy cash shop items by sinking time. Good tradeoff in my opinion.

 

Since gold doesn't buy anything all that important it only reinforces the idea that there is no problem with the system.

niceguy3978

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by graggok

very very very rarely do cash shops give you an actual advantage, most are cosmetics.  And I will say without a doubt with no prior research what so ever that Arenanet won't straight up sell in game currency...... and its rediculous to think so

Yes, they do. $ --> Gems --> Sell Gems to other players for in game currency

 

Ah, but you see, it's a paradigm shift in wallet/gold transfer technology, you are misinforminated, thank you ArenaNet.

This made me laugh in the middle of my department and now they are looking at me like I'm nuts.

Derpybird

Did I mention that this topic is new and exciting? As if it hasn't already been debated to death in the forums already?

By all means, fight the power, because what you post in this thread will certain contribute to "bringing down the man."

stragen001

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by graggok

very very very rarely do cash shops give you an actual advantage, most are cosmetics.  And I will say without a doubt with no prior research what so ever that Arenanet won't straight up sell in game currency...... and its rediculous to think so

Yes, they do. $ --> Gems --> Sell Gems to other players for in game currency

 

Ah, but you see, it's a paradigm shift in wallet/gold transfer technology, you are misinforminated, thank you ArenaNet.

Haha Ref, you sound like you have swallowed a copy of the corporate BS generator

stragen001

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Did I mention that this topic is new and exciting? As if it hasn't already been debated to death in the forums already?

By all means, fight the power, because what you post in this thread will certain contribute to "bringing down the man."

This thread may not do anything, but if you actually read the OP you will see that he wants people to provide negative feedback to ANet through their in game surveys. If ANet listen to their customers like they claim to then this WILL have an effect. 

UngoHumungo

lets figure it like this lets say theres a total of 40 servers with a total of 5 Game Masters each, thats a total of 200 GMs. Okay lets low ball it and say each GM ONLY makes minimum wage which in my state of ohio is $7.70 above the federal minimum, lets say each GM works only 40 hours a week thats 308 bucks a week, with a total of $14,784 a year. thats $2,965,800 a year in salary for each GM, now thats not considering customer serverice employees, programmers, artists, server hosting, technicians, and probably several other things,

So lets say the game does amazing and sell like swtor selling 2mil + and makes about $120,000,000, how long do your think it will run paying all that staff without alternate income for the game, and how long do you think the servers are gonna be able to maintained and still be a quality game.....

 

keep in mind i probably low balled the numbers

Derpybird

Originally posted by Betakodo

 CharLizzard, fight the power first! Then the pirate clothes will be given to you as part of your $60 right! As it should have been, it game in it's natural state!

Wait, are you suggesting that I have an inalienable right to a pirate outfit in a video game? Does this apply to just GW2 or all video games that I buy? I hope the latter.

This is indeed revolutionary and I am ready to "fight the power". How do I 'stick it to the man" and bring down this tyranical capitalist machine that is attempting to destroy us, the poor proletariats?

May I call you comrade?

 

P.S. Can we expand our protest to the RMAH in D3 that is truly P2W and perhaps the cash shop in TSW, or the BOE pets in the Blizz store that people sell for gold on the AH? You've got me all fired up!

RefMinor

Originally posted by stragen001


Originally posted by RefMinor


Originally posted by stragen001


Originally posted by graggok


very very very rarely do cash shops give you an actual advantage, most are cosmetics.  And I will say without a doubt with no prior research what so ever that Arenanet won't straight up sell in game currency...... and its rediculous to think so

Yes, they do. $ --> Gems --> Sell Gems to other players for in game currency

 

Ah, but you see, it's a paradigm shift in wallet/gold transfer technology, you are misinforminated, thank you ArenaNet.

Haha Ref, you sound like you have swallowed a copy of the corporate BS generator

 

Its GW2 fan speak, I picked up the lingo browsing the forums.

Fir3line

Why would i give negative feedback if i think the cs is fine ?

To appease some forum warrior??

UngoHumungo

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by graggok

very very very rarely do cash shops give you an actual advantage, most are cosmetics.  And I will say without a doubt with no prior research what so ever that Arenanet won't straight up sell in game currency...... and its rediculous to think so

They won't sell ingame currency themselves, but they will be selling gems which you can buy from Anet and then use those gems to buy ingame currency from other players.   So you will be able to buy gems with cash and buy ingame currency with gems.  Effectively buying ingame gold with cash.  I am not claiming this is the end of the world or even bad, I'm just saying it is there.

unless they do it like all the other cash shops and the things you buy from the cash shops are character or account bound......haven't ever bought anything out of a shop that I've been able to give to another player

Derpybird

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by Charlizzard

Did I mention that this topic is new and exciting? As if it hasn't already been debated to death in the forums already?

By all means, fight the power, because what you post in this thread will certain contribute to "bringing down the man."

This thread may not do anything, but if you actually read the OP you will see that he wants people to provide negative feedback to ANet through their in game surveys. If ANet listen to their customers like they claim to then this WILL have an effect. 

I am sure that the OP is innocent of relentlessly posting negative comments about GW2 and that his intentions are in fact pure and noble and I wish to support the cause of free pirate outfits for all.

stragen001

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by stragen001

Originally posted by graggok

very very very rarely do cash shops give you an actual advantage, most are cosmetics.  And I will say without a doubt with no prior research what so ever that Arenanet won't straight up sell in game currency...... and its rediculous to think so

Yes, they do. $ --> Gems --> Sell Gems to other players for in game currency

 

Ah, but you see, it's a paradigm shift in wallet/gold transfer technology, you are misinforminated, thank you ArenaNet.

Haha Ref, you sound like you have swallowed a copy of the corporate BS generator

 

Its GW2 fan speak, I picked up the lingo browsing the forums.

WTB ArenaNet patent brainwashing technology....

BeansnBread

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by graggok

very very very rarely do cash shops give you an actual advantage, most are cosmetics.  And I will say without a doubt with no prior research what so ever that Arenanet won't straight up sell in game currency...... and its rediculous to think so

They won't sell ingame currency themselves, but they will be selling gems which you can buy from Anet and then use those gems to buy ingame currency from other players.   So you will be able to buy gems with cash and buy ingame currency with gems.  Effectively buying ingame gold with cash.  I am not claiming this is the end of the world or even bad, I'm just saying it is there.

unless they do it like all the other cash shops and the things you buy from the cash shops are character or account bound......haven't ever bought anything out of a shop that I've been able to give to another player

Gems are the currency used in the cash shop. They are not account bound. They will be able to be sold on the in game auction house.

Abrexus

Originally posted by Fir3line

Why would i give negative feedback if i think the cs is fine ?



To appease some forum warrior??

Agreed.  I have no problem with a cash shop either.  My only concern is if I am having fun playing the game.  If I enjoy it, I have no problem supporting the game with additional purchases.  My only concern would be if there were a Pay2Win scenerio such as you find in World of Tanks, but I don't see that happening here.

DeaconX

Originally posted by graggok

Sir I diagree and believe you don't know how cash shops work

Aye.  Sorry I'm not joining this misguided movement

Ezekel

Originally posted by Betakodo

Originally posted by Ezekel

It took them 5 years to make GW2, that means they payed about 5 years worth of salaries from loans they need to pay off. If the average person from ANET makes just 30k a year and they have about 40 people thats 6 million in wages.

MMOs are incredibly pricey to make, and I would rather they have a cash shop then be forced to pump out expansions as fast as they did in GW1. If you dont like the cash shop then get out, its not going anywhere. Its not like they didnt tell you about it before you pre-purchased.

What's $60 X a million buyers? $60,000,000. How many gamers are out there now-a-days compared to the SNES era? Don't know, you can take a look at how many beta applications they got. Or use WoW's population estimate.

 

CharLizzard, fight the power first! Then the pirate clothes will be given to you as part of your $60 right! As it should have been, it game in it's natural state!

Cash shop is in to stay, get over it or leave. All the information you needed to make an informed decision was availible before Pre-Purchase went live.

ANET spent 100+ million dollars on this game, selling 1 million copies will not even cover development costs much less enough to make expansions. Would you rather they have a subscription or a cash shop because those are basically the only two options for this game.

Betakodo

Assuming it's 5 GMS X 40 servers is a bit much, on both sides of the assumption. I would assume continuing income comes from continued sales of new expansions, like in GW1. I question if they will even have GMs which you can talk to in the old days with your requests and more of just e-mailing in your problems via forms. I'd say more like 20 GMs tops and a few network guys.

No, Charrlizzard I'm not planning to join the mmorpg.com guild. I'm more of the type to play with friends and rare item/weapon/armor/gold hunt, which is why I'm so opposed to gems. No point in my doing any of that if everyone can just pay like $10 to buy the rare goodies or gold.

Where do you get your numbers Ezekial? I just shot down your 6 mil estimate then you come up with a 100 mil number out of nowhere.

PNM_Jennings

umm... hf, op.

Talin

Originally posted by brody71

i doubt we even get to see the gem shop til release.   but feel free to "occupy Lion's Arch" all you want.

Would be amusing if GW2 allowed you to setup dirty tents and poop in the bushes while doing so....

I think the OP should buy a copy of the game and then spam his complaints in Lion's Arch after release for all of the world to see. That will show them he isn't afraid to let his money do the talking!

UngoHumungo

all I can say is play DDO for a while and you will see a very well functioning cash shop, don't knock it until you've tried it, the stuff you can buy in the DDO store fails in comparison to what you can craft or find

BeansnBread

Wait... you paid $60 for the pre-purchase?

 

/doublefacepalm

Sora2810

Yeah.. I dont see AN putting the cashshop available for a weekend beta. "Want some items that will be deleted??"