You can't buy keys with in game money. There is no such NPC. You can TRADE your gold, for someone elses keys through the Auction House. Just like you can TRADE your gold for someone elses Gems in the Auction house.
There are NO NPCs that will give you GEMS for gold, which is what the cash shop uses. Currently the most effective way to get gems is through RMT (Real Money Transaction).
This discussion is really a moot point. Yes A-Net has a method to get money from the playerbase after the initial purchase. It would be dumb of them to not have this. Yes, they want people incovinienced ENOUGH to want to use their money, but not enough that it would detract from their game. They are walking a very fine line between obvious greed and profit.
The game is not P2W like real F2P games, but it does have a alternate income route just like F2P games have. Just because you don't use it, does not mean it's not there, and just because you buy someone elses gems, does not mean that a RMT did not happen along the way.
You can't buy keys with in game money. There is no such NPC. You can TRADE your gold, for someone elses keys through the Auction House. Just like you can TRADE your gold for someone elses Gems in the Auction house.
There are NO NPCs that will give you GEMS for gold, which is what the cash shop uses. Currently the most effective way to get gems is through RMT (Real Money Transaction).
This discussion is really a moot point. Yes A-Net has a method to get money from the playerbase after the initial purchase. It would be dumb of them to not have this. Yes, they want people incovinienced ENOUGH to want to use their money, but not enough that it would detract from their game. They are walking a very fine line between obvious greed and profit.
The game is not P2W like real F2P games, but it does have a alternate income route just like F2P games have. Just because you don't use it, does not mean it's not there, and just because you buy someone elses gems, does not mean that a RMT did not happen along the way.
They are listening to players who are offering suggestions or reporting bugs in order to tweak the game and get it ready for release. They aren't going to change their entire business model because some players don't like it (with really no good reason other than a pessimistic outlook).
Might as well try nailing some jello to a wall. It ain't gonna happen.
Yes they need to make money but i for one HATE HATE HATE this model.
Then play something else.
Sounds too much like giving up.
I'd rather make our feelings known to Arenanet. They seem to be listening, judging by the responses on their forums during the last beta event.
I think you are nitpicking , just head on over to TSW forum pages, and you will notice how many players actually enjoy having an Subscription and a Cash Shop that will sell actual gear ( not op gear but gear). The amount of support there for it is overwhelming that I believe its surprising to me how many Cash Shop threads is available in GW2 forums.
GW2 doesn't even need a subscription yet we have 3 times the amount of QQing and the Cash Shop was available in BWE so we actually knows whats in it. And TSW is still under NDA and so many support for their cash shop.
GW2's cash shop is good the way it is, the keys drop from random mobs, thats good enough for me.
Since there is no Subscription, if 6 month down the line they added gear to the shop, i can quit and not wasted 90 dollars of subscription.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Yes they need to make money but i for one HATE HATE HATE this model.
Then play something else.
Sounds too much like giving up.
I'd rather make our feelings known to Arenanet. They seem to be listening, judging by the responses on their forums during the last beta event.
you can create a topic on offical forum about that but most of people will not support you because cash shop is reaaly good and have no influence in gameplay.
even if keys were a rarity (and is far from that) who cares? the boxes content are a crap.lol
pvp server / fly mounts / significant changes on cash shop. this will not gonna happen because as you said, arenanet listen the players, and the majority dont support that.
you can create a topic on offical forum about that but most of people will not support you because cash shop is reaaly good and have no influence in gameplay.
even if keys were a rarity (and is far from that) who cares? the boxes content are a crap.lol
pvp server / fly mounts / significant changes on cash shop. this will not gonna happen because as you said, arenanet listen the players, and the majority dont support that.
The Gem Shop had a forums all to itself for the last BWE.
It was quite different from these forums. Players made many suggestions and most received good feedback. There was much less of a "shut up this game is perfect" vibe.
you are right about that, except for the "this game is perfect" part.
They give you two base options to get the keys. Think of it like a fork in the road. You can go left, pay your toll and travel on the paved road or go right on the rocky road and spend some time. So you sit there and yell why? Because some people pay and get there faster? No, your complaining because there is going to be a pretend item in a pretend world that you can't look at. Boo Hoo.
you can create a topic on offical forum about that but most of people will not support you because cash shop is reaaly good and have no influence in gameplay.
You can buy gold for cash by trading gems and gold is needed for siege weapons and keep upgrades in WvW. That clearly effects gameplay.
But I think the solution for this doesn't need a change in the cash shop, but we need a new PvP currency, which is only used for siege stuff. Or make siege stuff free so it is only about the supply on the battlefield.
But it seems that only a minority is interested in PvP and it's hard to get the word out.
you are right about that, except for the "this game is perfect" part.
They give you two base options to get the keys. Think of it like a fork in the road. You can go left, pay your toll and travel on the paved road or go right on the rocky road and spend some time. So you sit there and yell why? Because some people pay and get there faster? No, your complaining because there is going to be a pretend item in a pretend world that you can't look at. Boo Hoo.
Most F2P offer that "fork in the road". And guess what? If you choose not to pay, it gets very grindy to the point that the game simply isn't fun anymore.
You could argue that those stat-buffs aren't "needed" to run advanced dungeons, unlike in most F2P games. Well, no, they aren't needed if you're a very good player in a very good guild. Otherwise, I hope you're fine with wiping a lot.
edit: Oh, and I really hope those buffs don't work in WvW, unlike the guild buffs that we already have...
you are right about that, except for the "this game is perfect" part.
They give you two base options to get the keys. Think of it like a fork in the road. You can go left, pay your toll and travel on the paved road or go right on the rocky road and spend some time. So you sit there and yell why? Because some people pay and get there faster? No, your complaining because there is going to be a pretend item in a pretend world that you can't look at. Boo Hoo.
Most F2P offer that "fork in the road". And guess what? If you choose not to pay, it gets very grindy to the point that the game simply isn't fun anymore.
You could argue that those stat-buffs aren't "needed" to run advanced dungeons, unlike in most F2P games. Well, no, they aren't needed if you're a very good player in a very good guild. Otherwise, I hope you're fine with wiping a lot.
edit: Oh, and I really hope those buffs don't work in WvW, unlike the guild buffs that we already have...
Then don't play. How hard is that. If you are incapable of enjoying the game then don't play. It might be hard for you to play the game because you don't have certain skills and are less capable then the average gamer that will be playing. Thats ok. You don't have to take part at all. There are all sorts of games that can cater to the "less then average" player, and if thats what you find fun then by all means, go and enjoy. The majority of us are happy with what Anet is doing, so consider yourself part of a minority that the game isn't designed for and find something you'll like.
And sorry if I don't care about how your precious sentiment may be hurt because the most anticipated game doesn't cater to you.
Most F2P offer that "fork in the road". And guess what? If you choose not to pay, it gets very grindy to the point that the game simply isn't fun anymore.
You could argue that those stat-buffs aren't "needed" to run advanced dungeons, unlike in most F2P games. Well, no, they aren't needed if you're a very good player in a very good guild. Otherwise, I hope you're fine with wiping a lot.
edit: Oh, and I really hope those buffs don't work in WvW, unlike the guild buffs that we already have...
Grindy? Leveling in modern MMOs are way too fast and easy, and that includes GW2. In fact there are plenty of threads that discuss that subject all over the net.
If anyone buys a game and then want to pay more to not play it that is fine by me.
As for dungeons good guild is not really neccesarily, you need to be good and find 4 other good players. If not you frankly have plenty of easier content to play instead. Stat buffs are nothing I heard about and while complain or defend it whenever I seen it in the game, but if you think anet will make things easy for people who pay money you really don't know them.
I played GW for over 5 years without buying anything in the shop, I plan to do the same in GW2.
Accept that people have different opinions on different aspects of a game, and that people like to voice their opinions. How hard is that.
so why he still complaining about something that will never change???? if he cant have fun because of the cash shop (that is hilarious....) so dont play.
and from ypur post you dont know much about GW2. yes that buff only work on PvE and no, they will not save you from die on dungeon.
you just saw....hmmm some bufss i can buy let me say is a really bad thing and is a P2W game. that minor buffs will do almost nothing in dungeons, 10% armour / 10% speed / 10% power???? loooool
a player like you that think that buffs will make you a amazing player is the kind of player i dont want in my party to do dungeons.
Most F2P offer that "fork in the road". And guess what? If you choose not to pay, it gets very grindy to the point that the game simply isn't fun anymore.
You could argue that those stat-buffs aren't "needed" to run advanced dungeons, unlike in most F2P games. Well, no, they aren't needed if you're a very good player in a very good guild. Otherwise, I hope you're fine with wiping a lot.
edit: Oh, and I really hope those buffs don't work in WvW, unlike the guild buffs that we already have...
Grindy? Leveling in modern MMOs are way too fast and easy, and that includes GW2. In fact there are plenty of threads that discuss that subject all over the net.
If anyone buys a game and then want to pay more to not play it that is fine by me.
As for dungeons good guild is not really neccesarily, you need to be good and find 4 other good players. If not you frankly have plenty of easier content to play instead. Stat buffs are nothing I heard about and while complain or defend it whenever I seen it in the game, but if you think anet will make things easy for people who pay money you really don't know them.
I played GW for over 5 years without buying anything in the shop, I plan to do the same in GW2.
Agreed. I did spend money in the shop over the course of my time in GW1, but never felt as if I had to.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
Accept that people have different opinions on different aspects of a game, and that people like to voice their opinions. How hard is that.
Opinions are ok when expressed as such. This thread reeks of entitlement though. It is obvious that this model will not change unless something happens that could not have been predicted. Games have been successful with this model. Even P2W games have been successful enough to stay afloat with their model. This isn't a P2W game though. It isn't a P2NotBeAnnoyed game either on a general basis (could very well be to an individual but there are a lot of people who will not be annoyed, myself included). This isn't even a P2LP (pay to look pretty) model like GW1 boasted and was successful enough with. This is a P2LP&4C model... (pay to look pretty and for convenience model)....Now, I hope we are done with the acronyms that try to bottle games into categories/subcategories because it's causing unnessecary clashing. Class dismissed.
Accept that people have different opinions on different aspects of a game, and that people like to voice their opinions. How hard is that.
I can accept people having different opinions, but what I have difficulty with is people that won't stop relaying their opinions. It changes it from a discussion to a preaching competition, and if I decide to get involved in a preaching competition, I have no problems with expressing how stupid, self absorbed, short-sighted, retarded, asinine, or silly the other persons preaching may be.
If I say "I like this" and someone else says they don't then thats great. Wonderful. But when a few people keep arguing endlessly about something, it starts to feel a little preachy to me. Go ahead and look into my history, see if I've ever went into any other games threads and posted more then 2 comments. I say my bit, then move on. I don't need to change the world by making Tera a better game. I don't need to rally the troops so they can force an improvement in Rift. What I do need, is to tell people exactly what I think of their preaching.
And frankly, as for the don't play comment. It really works. If it doesn't make you happy, then move on. It's a wonderful truth. Works for employment, relationships, choice of restaraunts, etc. Crying about how something doesn't make you happy is just crying.
Accept that people have different opinions on different aspects of a game, and that people like to voice their opinions. How hard is that.
Agreed.
On the other hand people complaining, repeatedly, vociferously, stridently that the color blue is an option for dying their armor (or this which is not that different) can be a bit grating.
On the other, other, hand...Umm, guys, those of you who don't like seeing this sort of complaint are no more forced to read them than the complainers are to use the item shop in GW2.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
you can create a topic on offical forum about that but most of people will not support you because cash shop is reaaly good and have no influence in gameplay.
even if keys were a rarity (and is far from that) who cares? the boxes content are a crap.lol
pvp server / fly mounts / significant changes on cash shop. this will not gonna happen because as you said, arenanet listen the players, and the majority dont support that.
The Gem Shop had a forums all to itself for the last BWE.
It was quite different from these forums. Players made many suggestions and most received good feedback. There was much less of a "shut up this game is perfect" vibe.
This is the real problem I see. Here, either the game is perfect or it's doomed and terrible. There is some, but very little, discussion of how to make things better.
On the official forums, there were tons of suggestions, criticisms, and discussion about what could make the game better. People recognized that it was an amazing game, but could still be improved. And that's what Anet wanted out of those forums.
Of course, I doubt they are looking here much anymore, if they ever did, since they have a treasure trove of good ideas (and some bad, imo) over on their forums. There are tons of suggestions and requests from people who actually played the game. So all the whining and rage is just sound and fury.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
You can't buy keys with in game money. There is no such NPC. You can TRADE your gold, for someone elses keys through the Auction House. Just like you can TRADE your gold for someone elses Gems in the Auction house.
There are NO NPCs that will give you GEMS for gold, which is what the cash shop uses. Currently the most effective way to get gems is through RMT (Real Money Transaction).
This discussion is really a moot point. Yes A-Net has a method to get money from the playerbase after the initial purchase. It would be dumb of them to not have this. Yes, they want people incovinienced ENOUGH to want to use their money, but not enough that it would detract from their game. They are walking a very fine line between obvious greed and profit.
The game is not P2W like real F2P games, but it does have a alternate income route just like F2P games have. Just because you don't use it, does not mean it's not there, and just because you buy someone elses gems, does not mean that a RMT did not happen along the way.
Ah, because trading something for a currency isn't the same than buying. Gotcha...
I also noticed in the user interface a panel where I can convert in game gold directly to gems.
But whatever you say must be true... /facepalm
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I couldn't find it in the posts (its probably there) but, can you sell the chests on the Trading Post? If so, then I really don't care about having to "buy" keys because you can just look at the chest as a couple extra gold in you pocket from trading it.
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Stop spreading mis-information:
You can't buy keys with in game money. There is no such NPC. You can TRADE your gold, for someone elses keys through the Auction House. Just like you can TRADE your gold for someone elses Gems in the Auction house.
There are NO NPCs that will give you GEMS for gold, which is what the cash shop uses. Currently the most effective way to get gems is through RMT (Real Money Transaction).
This discussion is really a moot point. Yes A-Net has a method to get money from the playerbase after the initial purchase. It would be dumb of them to not have this. Yes, they want people incovinienced ENOUGH to want to use their money, but not enough that it would detract from their game. They are walking a very fine line between obvious greed and profit.
The game is not P2W like real F2P games, but it does have a alternate income route just like F2P games have. Just because you don't use it, does not mean it's not there, and just because you buy someone elses gems, does not mean that a RMT did not happen along the way.
You can buy my keys and boxes in the AH.
Life IS Feudal
Then play something else.
Sounds too much like giving up.
I'd rather make our feelings known to Arenanet. They seem to be listening, judging by the responses on their forums during the last beta event.
They are listening to players who are offering suggestions or reporting bugs in order to tweak the game and get it ready for release. They aren't going to change their entire business model because some players don't like it (with really no good reason other than a pessimistic outlook).
Might as well try nailing some jello to a wall. It ain't gonna happen.
I think you are nitpicking , just head on over to TSW forum pages, and you will notice how many players actually enjoy having an Subscription and a Cash Shop that will sell actual gear ( not op gear but gear). The amount of support there for it is overwhelming that I believe its surprising to me how many Cash Shop threads is available in GW2 forums.
GW2 doesn't even need a subscription yet we have 3 times the amount of QQing and the Cash Shop was available in BWE so we actually knows whats in it. And TSW is still under NDA and so many support for their cash shop.
GW2's cash shop is good the way it is, the keys drop from random mobs, thats good enough for me.
Since there is no Subscription, if 6 month down the line they added gear to the shop, i can quit and not wasted 90 dollars of subscription.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
you can create a topic on offical forum about that but most of people will not support you because cash shop is reaaly good and have no influence in gameplay.
even if keys were a rarity (and is far from that) who cares? the boxes content are a crap.lol
pvp server / fly mounts / significant changes on cash shop. this will not gonna happen because as you said, arenanet listen the players, and the majority dont support that.
The Gem Shop had a forums all to itself for the last BWE.
It was quite different from these forums. Players made many suggestions and most received good feedback. There was much less of a "shut up this game is perfect" vibe.
keys also drop! DOH
you are right about that, except for the "this game is perfect" part.
They give you two base options to get the keys. Think of it like a fork in the road. You can go left, pay your toll and travel on the paved road or go right on the rocky road and spend some time. So you sit there and yell why? Because some people pay and get there faster? No, your complaining because there is going to be a pretend item in a pretend world that you can't look at. Boo Hoo.
You can buy gold for cash by trading gems and gold is needed for siege weapons and keep upgrades in WvW. That clearly effects gameplay.
But I think the solution for this doesn't need a change in the cash shop, but we need a new PvP currency, which is only used for siege stuff. Or make siege stuff free so it is only about the supply on the battlefield.
But it seems that only a minority is interested in PvP and it's hard to get the word out.
Most F2P offer that "fork in the road". And guess what? If you choose not to pay, it gets very grindy to the point that the game simply isn't fun anymore.
You could argue that those stat-buffs aren't "needed" to run advanced dungeons, unlike in most F2P games. Well, no, they aren't needed if you're a very good player in a very good guild. Otherwise, I hope you're fine with wiping a lot.
edit: Oh, and I really hope those buffs don't work in WvW, unlike the guild buffs that we already have...
Hype train -> Reality
Then don't play. How hard is that. If you are incapable of enjoying the game then don't play. It might be hard for you to play the game because you don't have certain skills and are less capable then the average gamer that will be playing. Thats ok. You don't have to take part at all. There are all sorts of games that can cater to the "less then average" player, and if thats what you find fun then by all means, go and enjoy. The majority of us are happy with what Anet is doing, so consider yourself part of a minority that the game isn't designed for and find something you'll like.
And sorry if I don't care about how your precious sentiment may be hurt because the most anticipated game doesn't cater to you.
Accept that people have different opinions on different aspects of a game, and that people like to voice their opinions. How hard is that.
Hype train -> Reality
Grindy? Leveling in modern MMOs are way too fast and easy, and that includes GW2. In fact there are plenty of threads that discuss that subject all over the net.
If anyone buys a game and then want to pay more to not play it that is fine by me.
As for dungeons good guild is not really neccesarily, you need to be good and find 4 other good players. If not you frankly have plenty of easier content to play instead. Stat buffs are nothing I heard about and while complain or defend it whenever I seen it in the game, but if you think anet will make things easy for people who pay money you really don't know them.
I played GW for over 5 years without buying anything in the shop, I plan to do the same in GW2.
so why he still complaining about something that will never change???? if he cant have fun because of the cash shop (that is hilarious....) so dont play.
and from ypur post you dont know much about GW2. yes that buff only work on PvE and no, they will not save you from die on dungeon.
you just saw....hmmm some bufss i can buy let me say is a really bad thing and is a P2W game. that minor buffs will do almost nothing in dungeons, 10% armour / 10% speed / 10% power???? loooool
a player like you that think that buffs will make you a amazing player is the kind of player i dont want in my party to do dungeons.
Agreed. I did spend money in the shop over the course of my time in GW1, but never felt as if I had to.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
Opinions are ok when expressed as such. This thread reeks of entitlement though. It is obvious that this model will not change unless something happens that could not have been predicted. Games have been successful with this model. Even P2W games have been successful enough to stay afloat with their model. This isn't a P2W game though. It isn't a P2NotBeAnnoyed game either on a general basis (could very well be to an individual but there are a lot of people who will not be annoyed, myself included). This isn't even a P2LP (pay to look pretty) model like GW1 boasted and was successful enough with. This is a P2LP&4C model... (pay to look pretty and for convenience model)....Now, I hope we are done with the acronyms that try to bottle games into categories/subcategories because it's causing unnessecary clashing. Class dismissed.
I can accept people having different opinions, but what I have difficulty with is people that won't stop relaying their opinions. It changes it from a discussion to a preaching competition, and if I decide to get involved in a preaching competition, I have no problems with expressing how stupid, self absorbed, short-sighted, retarded, asinine, or silly the other persons preaching may be.
If I say "I like this" and someone else says they don't then thats great. Wonderful. But when a few people keep arguing endlessly about something, it starts to feel a little preachy to me. Go ahead and look into my history, see if I've ever went into any other games threads and posted more then 2 comments. I say my bit, then move on. I don't need to change the world by making Tera a better game. I don't need to rally the troops so they can force an improvement in Rift. What I do need, is to tell people exactly what I think of their preaching.
And frankly, as for the don't play comment. It really works. If it doesn't make you happy, then move on. It's a wonderful truth. Works for employment, relationships, choice of restaraunts, etc. Crying about how something doesn't make you happy is just crying.
Agreed.
On the other hand people complaining, repeatedly, vociferously, stridently that the color blue is an option for dying their armor (or this which is not that different) can be a bit grating.
On the other, other, hand...Umm, guys, those of you who don't like seeing this sort of complaint are no more forced to read them than the complainers are to use the item shop in GW2.
When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.
This is the real problem I see. Here, either the game is perfect or it's doomed and terrible. There is some, but very little, discussion of how to make things better.
On the official forums, there were tons of suggestions, criticisms, and discussion about what could make the game better. People recognized that it was an amazing game, but could still be improved. And that's what Anet wanted out of those forums.
Of course, I doubt they are looking here much anymore, if they ever did, since they have a treasure trove of good ideas (and some bad, imo) over on their forums. There are tons of suggestions and requests from people who actually played the game. So all the whining and rage is just sound and fury.
"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."
John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman
Ah, because trading something for a currency isn't the same than buying. Gotcha...
I also noticed in the user interface a panel where I can convert in game gold directly to gems.
But whatever you say must be true... /facepalm
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I couldn't find it in the posts (its probably there) but, can you sell the chests on the Trading Post? If so, then I really don't care about having to "buy" keys because you can just look at the chest as a couple extra gold in you pocket from trading it.