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Guild War 2 Might Cost you more than you think
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I played GW1 for over 5 years, never bought a single thing besides the 3 campaigns and the expansion.
Character slots, bags and bank space are fine to sell. You don´t actually need them. While I can admit that I have all 8 slots in GW2 filled (you got 2 extra slots for factions and 2 for nightfall, there was 4 from launch) 4 of those characters are just mules.
This is exactly the stuff they should sell in the item shop instead of good gear or additional classes. No impact on balance but makes life a little less complicated for hoarders and altoholics.
It does not look worse than AoC, it looks fine but have a different artstyle.
And it has not the worst questiong system in any MMO, in fact it has the second best after GW2. Anything that fills your questlog with loads of crapquests sucks, I have some compulsive habit of cleaning it out even though it is boring as watching paint dry.
1 main quest and one side quest lets you actually focus on what you do. GW2 does it even better though but that is besides the point here.
From your inability to understand that not everyone is like you...that is how it does not apply.
For the last time, I have played Runes of Magic on and off for 4 YEARS, runes of magic, an ACTUAL P2W game. Not ONCE SINGLE TIME did I ever buy a buff item or even gems to unlock a bag slot and most of the people I played with did the same.
We did not do it.
If a SINGLE person did not do it in history, your opinion is WRONG. Deal with it, you are wrong because you are using logic that everyone must be the same.
Form your argument to meet your personal opinion, you dont like the idea of being able to buy an item for what you think is an advantage...because you would feel forced to buy it.
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Have to agree. Have no idea what the hell she's talking about. Pretty clear she just went overly defensive in response to the other poster.
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Having said that no reason to embellish anyways because chances are with Funcom's track record and considering how secretive they're being about matters chances are the launch is going to be pretty awful. Which will be a shame but...really doesn't look good...
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
WHAT!?!?! It looks horrible.. I am not talking aestetics either. The quest system is down right retarded you get 3 quests only and usually its only 2 at a time. You go out to do a quest, find one and guess what you CANT TAKE IT or else it drops the one you are on.. then lets look at the quests themselves. They don't tell you much and expect you to complete through following the quest markers. then the quest updates and you have no idea why.
Tell me how that is good.. There is not one thing good about TSW's quest system. I agree that useless quests arent fun and clog up your log but TSW makes you do useless quests and make you have to ignore other quests simply because you have to chose which to do. Also... if you want to do quests that have no rhyme or reason then why not just go play some F2P game, its about the same.
Also just because you have a main quest and a side quest(there are actually 2 types of side quests but you rarely find one type) doesn't mean that there are not a ton of quests to do.. its just that you have to keep going back to base to pick them up and turn in.
I wonder if anyone else thinks these forums, and website in general would be exponetially more enjoyable if the mods would establish a Positive Discussion and Negative Discussion subsection. If you have something positive about a title to say, you do so in one section ... negative in the other.
Totally agree. Anyone who thinks GW2 is going to cost more than a sub game is clearly only trying to justify paying a subscription because they either arent smart enough to realize they are paying more, or they realize it and are in denial. Every single point made in the OP or elsewhere in this thread is all relative and on the perspective of the individual.
Character slot wise, i think its perfect. They give you 5, and theres 5 races. Plenty to see each and every starter area and experience the story. No game execept Aion has ever given you enough character slots to make one of each class. Eq2 has 25 classes, you get 7 slots, thats almost a 1/4 and every slot after will cost you another 10 bucks. Lotro only gives you two slots, still 10 bucks for each addition. IN fact, without looking im willing to bet 10 bucks is the industry standard for characeter slots and all but Lotro dont offer any way ingame to earn them. Also someone mentioned they wish upgrades were account wide, not character? Name a game that is, Eq2, Lotro, DDO, all of them are character individual for extra bags, bank upgrades, some even charge for the ability to have account sharable space, GW2 is giving it to you for free.
On the subject of storage. I played the whole beta, 4 characters with 8 slot bags. Never once did i even use the 3rd bag, let alone the rest. Inventory space is more than managable, and thats only with the smallest possible bags available. You can actually craft up to 20 slots that i know of, maybe even more. With what you start with, plus another 4 slots at 20 each, you have over 100 available slots for FREE. Add to that the ability to send crafting mats directly to your bank tab from anywhere in the world, selling on the broker ALSO from anywhere in the world, and every town or village and DE having a merchant to unload all the "Grey" vendor only trash/junk loot. I dont see any possible way at all to ever need extra inventory space, if you run out the only thing i can tell you is youre doing it wrong.
Personally, i love to play one of every class. Im actually happy theres only 8 and i will eventually get the rest unlocked with ingame gold. Im sure after i play the first 5 i will have more than enough ingame money to afford the other 3. And i will do the same with bags and bank space, but i will probably get those upgrades before i even get the other character slots. This is the first game ive ever seen where i felt i didnt have to actually spend real money to keep up with people that do. I have no doubts whatsoever that i will never need to spend a single dime extra on this game.
And also since it was mentioned here:
Originally posted by thinktank001
How does it not apply to everyone? All you have to do is just ask yourself a single question.
If there is another player that is exactly like me, but chooses to use the CS do they have an advantage?
To this guy: The answer is NO! There is not a single item in the CS that gives any other player any advantage over me. I spent the entire BWE in WvW leveling one character (ELE) to 20 and 3 others to about 10 or so, and not once was there any way someone could have had an advatange over me. Face it, GW2 is doing something right for the industry and like all change its hard to accept at first. But the sooner you do, the more fun youre gonna have.
I don't know, what's "pretty clear" to one person is "pretty subjective" to another. I had no part in their back-and-forth, but I think TSW (as it stands right now) does look pretty awful, jerky movements, bad cutscenes that look like they were made by 90's CGI artists... I don't know about the quest system though. It's just kind of silly to assume someone is saying they don't like the way a game looks, or its features, because they're "defensive".
And a beautiful point is made. See, people aren't complaining about the games you mentioned because they're not "hyped". If they were, Lord knows they'd be far ahead of GW2 in complaints (7 slots with 25 races available? wow). Any press is good press really, GW2 is on the mouths of everyone and it's only going to benefit the company when people see comparisons like yours and actually think for a second.
Yup, and they said it would be that way. No one has to spend a dime of real money if they don't mind using their gold to purchase gems. I'm not an alt-aholic so even if I did have to buy all the crap in the OP post with RL money I'd only have to do it once or twice, seems fine for me.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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Please. Worse graphics than AoC, random cut scenes, the quests system comments. It is blatantly obvious that it was being over defensive rather than subjective.
Give me a break.
I'm not even an avid fan of TSW but come...on...
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
See the point? No? Try looking up.
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no, I actually really wanted TSW to be my next MMO long before I even heard of GW2.. the game is crap, my examples are correct, they are my EDUCATED opinion not just pulled out of the air.
It' s my money, I can spend it how I want to. I am an adult, I have no need for someone to point out how I should or should not spend my cash. I am well aware of the cash shop and what is going to be available. Those things might change, I am aware of that as well.
Now that the mmo world is now informed please move on to a new mission. World peace would be a noble quest, and one that would not be achieved so quickly.
Thats not even close to true. Lotro does give you more if you paid the sub cost, EQ2 most certainly doesnt. You get nothing more or less for sub cost or not. Everyone gets the same 7 and the rest you pay 10 bucks for. Nice try though
PS this whole argument is about what you get for free, not for Sub. Just the fact that you mention you have to pay a sub for more proves the point. Thanks for that.
He said Lotro and EQ. He did not say EQ2.
First of all, you can't have a truly sub-free game without a cash shop that has some sort of reason to purchase goods in it. The only controversal item in the cash shop is probably the character slots. That would be correct. There is plenty of space in your bags though once you have full 16 slotters and you can throw your crafting materials in the bank at any time, vendors are all over the place, and you can put up auctions any time. You can also mail stuff back and fourth between yourself and friends if you want even more space. So the extra inventory space, while useful, is not as important as in games like EQ2 where they totally screw you on inventory space unless you pay.
Regarding character slots: Yes 5 is a bit short, and they probably have not finalized how many you get, but the truth is that 90% of players will not want to play all classes. If you invest enough time into the game to where you would want to play more then 5 classes you can probably afford to buy the other character slots with in game currency.
Most if not ALL other games that do not charge a monthly fee and offer content additions gate content behind payment walls and restrict your auctions placed, gold held, flight paths, and other things of that nature. Not only that, but they do not support trading of the currency they use for in game money. Guild Wars 2 has a very minor few items that can provide you with a benefit that is controversal. They are the only ones really. The bags and the character slots. Again, these are things you can get with in game gold. You do not have to spend a dime. Not only that, but these items are also not necessary for the average casual player who will more then likely be the one spending money on the cash shop since they don't have time to net the money in game to afford them.
My biggest turn off on the new MMOs are the cash shops.
I rather just pay the $14.99 month and get everything I need to enjoy the game.
But that's just me.
If you can't play an MMO simply because it has a cash shop I would say to stop playing MMOs now. Even older MMOs have cash shops now.
Eq or Eq2 the point is the same.
Eq: 16 classes/16 races, you get 2 slots for free, 8 if you pay a sub (half the races or classes)
Eq2: 25 classes/20 races, you get 2 slots for free, 7 if you pay a sub (1/3 races and less almost 1/4 classes)
For funsies, Lotro: 8 races/15 classes (includes monster play), you get 2 slots for free, all extras have to be bought. I have no idea how many they gave you when it was a sub game, but i can only assume here it wasnt more than 7, maybe 8 i dont know. Someone else can correct that if they wish. Still doesnt change the argument in the slightest.
GW2: 5 races, 8 classes, 5 slots for free. Thats all races playable, and more than half the classes FOR FREE. see the comparison now. Dont know how else to break it down for you, but is clear to everyone else that GW2 is giving you way more access than any other game without asking you to purchase more.
In truth it costs you $70 at least for those slots. Don't mistake a game you can install on your harddrive for no cost and play with one you have to pay a up front fee for. $70 in LOTR's, DDO or even EQ2 would take you a long ways especially if you take advantage of a sales or double cash weekends (EQ2 recently had a triple cash weekend that let me buy the last paid expansion for $10). $70 over a triple cash weekend in EQ2 is $210 in station cash which could easily buy 7 years of expansion content, 5 character slots, and all the spell/gear unlocks you might need with cash to spare. You could probably make a large dent into DCUO's content expansions for that much money as well having access to all or most of both games.
Did someone just REALLY start a thread to warn adults about a potential recreational expenditure and the dangers of it? Really? Really?
These forums get more absurd every single day.
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