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Its always a lot cheaper, but who cares, the game is great..
And even if it wasnt i can always come and go whenever i want without care about subs.
He is concerned about us.. So nice from him lol
Edit: sorry for double post, this one was suposed to be an edit of the previous post
I liked this post. OP should take this to heart. No pun intended.
I had an idea of a cash shop item. It will be called "Judicial Caning." When you use this ability, it instantly spawns a Malaysian Policeman in the room of an annoying OP and whips the shit out of them. Talk about P2W (pay to whip) now.
Also, I didnt know TSW is going to have only 3 charater slots.....at this rate, in 5 years from now you will have to pay extra to have your first character slot.
Great point. thanks for reminding me. Yes it is true that those games you can get now for free, no box price. I had forgotten since i paid not only the box price, but expansion costs and sub fee for them, and you still didnt get any extra slots or bonuses.
Just in box costs (launch and expansion) plus sub fees, Eq2 has cost me $400 (box costs) + $1260 (sub fee for 7 years) = over 1600 dollars. NO extras. Assuming GW2 will charge for expansions, and assuming they will be 60 dollars each every year or every other year, even if you allow the box prices to cancel each other out, i seriosuly cant see how i could possibly spend over 1000 dollars in gems. Not when theres nothing in there to provide any advantage in PVE or PVP, and the extra storage space and character slots i can easily afford with ingame money.
I admit this is my own experience. If you ever paid box and sub for WoW, or Rift, or Aion or any other MMO, feel free to do the math for yourself. Your costs will vary from mine, you cant argue that, thats simple fact. But as you can see for me, its easy to justify a B2P over P2P or even F2P (which would require CS purchases for content/races/classes which the F2P versions of Lotro, Eq, Eq2 and others all charge for).
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
ArenaNet should simply offer both B2P and subscription based models (kinda like LoTRO).
If players don't want to pay a monthly sub then they can simply buy the boxed copy and play the game with the current limitations.
Players who choose to go with a monthly sub should have the limitations lifted and receive a certain amount of gems per month.
That would certainly give ANet a steady cash flow while keeping players from both sides of the fence happy.
Can you link a higher rez version of that graph? I understand waht it is saying, but I want to be able to read the key clearly.
I to have been subed to EQ2 for the last 7 years and even had two active accounts for a time so $1600 is probably low for me but I just think of all the money I saved not going out on Raid nights all those years :-)
It''s hard to compare a Sub game like EQ2 to a game like GW2 because we don't really know what if any free content updates will be added to GW2. Will GW2 have free content updates or will everything be in paid expansions except bug fixes? One thing I wonder about is that since GW2 is launching with a real money store will Anet go to smaller content updates simular to DDO's adventure packs rather than large expansions? Since all Gem's for sale are purchased from someone even if you use in game gold to buy that content someone somewhere spent real money to buy those Gem's first so Anet wouldn't care how you ultimatly purchased it and it cuts out distrubtion channels meaning higher profits overall.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but about the trading of gems for gold and vice versa, you can't actually trade gold for gems from a merchant in the game right? You need to find a player that bought some gems and who's willing to trade them to you for gold. That's how I understand it when Anet released info on it.
+1
Well said.
These guys are in it to make a profit, but they are also offering a damn good base game as is for $60. If you are bitching because you have the OPTION to use a little money here and there to support the people who made this game then get a life.
If you enjoy the game and what they did then support them some. If having the OPTION to spend a little money on a game they spent 5 years making sends you into a tizzy then find another hobby. You are not entitled to anything. They put out a product and you have the OPTION ( notice how that word comes up again and again) to buy it.
Honestly you really need to find something else to crusade against. Spending this much time and energy bashing GW2 is not healthy. For christ sakes just dont buy it. I think the rest of humanity will survive the dreaded cash shop without your intervention.
Thanks for having all of our interest at heart tho.
Actually some games you do. I may be wrong but i could have sworn that both FFXI and FFXIV both charge for every character, including the first. YOu pay a basic service fee, and each character has its own fee. Instead of unlocking a character slot for a single payment, that fee is added onto the monthly sub cost.
FFXIV for example: 7 dollars a month basic service fee. then 3 dollars for each character. So one character will cost you 10 dollars a month (which is fine, equal to or less than normal sub fees). 2 will cost 13 a month, so on and so forth.
If you are an altoholic, and want say 5 characters? 22 dollars a month. Im so happy no other company has ever taken this business model. A one time fee for an extra character is plenty.
Yes, you can only sell gems to other players so you are not making gold from thin air.
You are wrong, LOTRO gave you a load of slots when it was P2P. In fact that was the reason the press wrote a lot of stuff about LOTRO having 2-4 milliopn players. They just declared how many characters people had made and some smarty pants counted that each player had 2-4, when some players were reputed to have as many as 50.
Still 5 slots sounds more than enough for me. And if I next year need one or 2 more I wouldn´t be too upset having to buy them. Besides, they might give you 2 extra slots for each new campaign as they did in GW2, lets hope so.
It's just like the EVE plex system. A player buys Gems and puts them up for sale where other players can buy them for gold. There is no baseline GEM inventory so the price of Gems will be set by what others are willing to sell them for and there is not a unlimitied supply although the higher the price is the more people will want to supply them stabalizing the price.
Its a wonderful system for Anet because no matter how you buy gems (cash or gold) someone, somewhere is giving them cash for the Gems. And if there is a transaction fee (I don't know for sure there is) it's even better as Anet gets a cut of the profits everytime Gems exchange hands.
Before the recent expansion came out, LotRO went like this:
FTP: 2 per server
Premium (spent $5 in cash shop): 3 per server
VIP (pay a sub): 5 per server
Bought Mines of Moria: 5 for premium, 7 for VIP per server
CS: 10 can be bought in the cash shop.
I don't know if they changed it any since I played, but I doubt it.
As a typical die-hard, hard-core item hording packrat like myself, I find this extremely unfair.
I am going to deffinately boycot this by not paying a single penny and start selling/throwing away the entire 99% of the useless junk I pick up.
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Thanks for the clarification! I just don't understand why someone would want to buy gems and trade them to others players for gold, I mean gold won't be that hard to get ingame? Nway if I can buy gems from someone with my gold I'll be happy but I surely won't trade the gems I have bought for gold lol.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
There are NOT 8 classes I want to play, so that argument is void, bank and personal space may be tight, but ultimately there is a limit whether it's the limit at the start or the one i buy into, so not really worried about that.
And, there's nothing stopping me from buying 2, 3, or 4 accounts. With no monthly fees I can have 10 characters for $120 AND have one crafting while the other is out harvesting/mailing to him. All for the cost of 8 months of one wow subscription.
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It's amazing how many gamers feel entitled to get so much for so little. If it wasn't for GWs cash shop, GW2 would never had happened. All the profit they made from it, and the investment made by NCSoft..that would have never had happened without ArenaNet showing their figures.
Over a 4-5 year course of playing GW2, it'll cost less than the standard subscription MMO. There's no question about it. Unless you're the rare person who tends to spend more than they realize lol...
You can buy Gems with Gold, thread/case closed!
What did you expect? this is nothing new really in the world of cash shop financed games at all. You didn't really think Arenanet wouldn't gouge the hell out of you for stuff like that did you? Of course they will, cosmetic only items don't sell often in cash shops, well thats mostly cuz the shops want like 10-20 US for a virtual shirt with no stats. It could be worse it could be like champions online or city of heroes where half the game features are locked and you have to either sub or buy the feature. You don't really *need* those extra 3 bag slots, you can probally do without just fine. 5 char slots is also plenty, its not like your gonna be playing all 5 chars constantly. Most people have 1 or 2 mains that they focus on.
All I can say is if you think the cash shop is bad now, I bet its going to get worse about a month after release. I have seen many games claim they wouldn't have any pay2win items, but they always eventually come. Especally in f2p's with pvp, pvp players will pay a obscene amout of rl money just to hit like 1% harder than someone else, i've seen it done. I know a guy in some pvp based f2p that I can't remember the name of and he spends 100 to 200 US a month just to compete on a even level.
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You really can't promise that can you without knowing what GW2's expansion plans are? Will we see a dozen adventure expansions over the next year each for $10 plus new class/race unlocks and other cash shop items? If we do you could very easily pay as much if not more than a sub game might cost you and certainly more than some F2P games like LOTR's and DDO would cost.
A few months ago GW2 was being sold as a buy once and play for as long as you want wonderland. Than it became buy once and optional cash shop until the next expansion in a few months and new cash shop items are added. As many are pointing out the cash shop looks a lot less optional than first appeared now. What's next? Sometimes I feel like we are all frogs sitting in a giant pot with the game companies slowely turning up the heat a little bit at a time.
I don't expect a game to be free but I do expect it to repersent it's costs up front in a honest manner. Rather by fan hype or dev misrepersentation GW2 doesn't feel like its doing that. Anet can't be blamed for Fan hype but they are not doing a whole lot to correct the misconceptions people are passing along either.