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"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
If Anet provided those Gems for in game gold I would agree with you. But that's how it works. Anet doesn't care if you buy gems with gold or cash because someone somewhere had to purchase those gems with cash so they get paid either way. In fact assuming there is a broker transaction fee (I don't know for sure there is) they prefer it because they get a cut of every transactions of Gems for gold.
What's not to like if you are Anet about that.
Anyone who played GW1 and followed the development of GW2 already knows about the Cash Shop, we all know it will be there, we just didn't know how they were gonna implement it.
Ever since I heard about GW2, i know there will be a Cash Shop, the items during BWE was exactly what was expected. We also knows about expansions, and that we will be paying for these expansions. Most players are basing their informations on GW1 and how it was ran. So its all speculations, and I doubt Anet knows what they will be doing in their expansions, they are more worry about getting the Core game out so that we can play it.
Expansions are in development, that we know but i doubt anyone knows what will be in them, and how long they will take to come out.
I don't know about you, but GW2 is buy once and play for as long as you want, the Cash Shop is out of the way enough that you never have to pay for anything if you don't want to. If you are that worried about a Cash Shop then by all means, don't play it, its not like the only MMO out there.
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I'm still confused by the problem being had with bags.
Unless they severely jump up the amount of junk drops, GW2 currently needs extra bag slots LESS than other MMOs I've played, like WoW, Rift, CO, CoH...
Probably Asheron's Call and DAoC too, though I can't remember that far back, though I do remember occasionally being frustrated by bag space. :P
If they just kept the 5 bag slots and never had cash shop to unlock the extra 3, people would just adapt. They have more systems than any other game I've seen, to accomodate your inventory... crafting extra bags is easy, you can send crafting supplies straight to your bank, stores freaking everywhere, items can be broken down with salvage kits so they're materials...
It's honestly amazingly convenient.
Basically you have a game where the junk drops aren't outrageous, where stores are everywhere, where you can teleport, where you can break down many drops into crafting supplies, where crafting supplies basically take 0 inventory space, where it's easy and convenient to get big bags...
... and people are complaining because in order to make one of the most convenient storage games ever more convenient, they're adding things to the cash shop?
You do realize that in most subscription games, the limited items slots and constant junk drops with 0 teleports is actual 'added gameplay' right? Where running back and forth to the store constantly is just there to pad out your game time so you're getting your money's worth for your subscription?
I have no idea how this phenomenon occurred but it is irrational for people to expect everything for little or nothing. It may stem from how people may consider Devs as gamers and not working adults/business owners and many gamers may not be familiar with business models.
In my opinion of business models GW2 will end up being the most fair for the gamer and developer. I personally left WoW due to the gouging they do as a subscription game, I said once before I make votes with my wallet for these kinds of things.
WoW is 15 dollars a month, they charge for name changes, race changes, faction transfers, server transfers, special pets, special mounts and possibly other things since I have last played.
GW2 charges for alot of the same (Minus guesting servers which is a plus) and they sell convinience buffs for XP and things of the sort which are fine with me as many would imagine.
Now think of that comparison, HAVE to pay 15 dollars a month + cosmetic changes you want/changes to play on other servers or CAN pay 0 dollars a month + whatever cosmetic changes you want - cost to play on servers with friends (Excluding WvWvW play)
In the end the comparison of the two business models means ANET has to offer content such as expansions and cosmetics to make their revenue, Blizzard makes their base rate well over the bottom line in sub fees. In the case of GW2 if they release a single bad expansion or unwanted items and people dont buy them they have near instant revenue loss since time to make the content is unrewarded.
For any non sub game there is also likely more emphasis for quality gameplay and mechanics compared to timesinks required to justify ongoing subscriptions. Now some people may like timesinks which is fine, and there is hope for some added longevity to games like in GW1 with timesinks that are there as achievements and not barreirs to entry into game content (Gear grinds, rep grinds).
Think about how that business model incentivizes quality and production, and if ANET goes too far with making lucrative items aka legit P2W items people will definietly quit and riot on forums. It is similar with sub games with cash shops but there is more of a leak for revenue since subscriptions make people more likely to try poor content due to time prior time commitments.
Even now the idea of P2W makes people have very vocal reactions, imagine with certainty through videos or proof of P2W. ANET being a business must be smart enough to know their limits combined with their experience of the GW1 cash shop to avoid this.
TLDR:
Some people want everything for nothing, think they are entitled which is a very common consumer behavior but seems moreso for gamers for a variety of reasons.
B2P games (GW1/GW2) are imo more fair to consumer and developers compared to subs or F2P
In the end reality is votes are made with wallets, and only time will tell how this ends up for GW2 and ANETs business model compared to Sub models + cash shops, and F2Ps.
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My issue is not with cash shops or b2p or any other model it is the very simple fact as proven by posts here that nearly every fan of GW2 is on the defensive.
Yes I know funcom, played anarchy online from beta, yes I know it had a horrible first 3 months, it turned into one of the best if not the best scifi mmo sandboxes, I spent 6 years there full time.
I did not enjoy conan but that was more my personal fantasy taste
TSW yes I know there will be items available from the store and I actually plan on buying lots of social clothing
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My issue is every valid negative point about GW2 and anyone elses is being seen as a troll.
Funcom were completely open about there cash shop pretty much from the beginning.
GW2 is influenced by Ncsoft, if you look at the cash shop for aion and CoH that is the future of your game.
Unlike games like EVE you will pay for every bit of future content.
Unlike most cash shops Anet is so money hungry they commit the cardinal sin of making a cash shop item able to be traded for in game currency(this is different than plex in eve) most of the cash shops in games like funcoms etc bind the items bought to you, you can not unbalance the in game economy.
Long term I hope I am proved wrong, I hope that in 6 months you all prove me wrong and I will buy the game.
You don't have to buy more bag slots, its just an another convience thing if people want them. GW1 did the same thing, and people had no qualms there [storage, not inventory]
For me I probably don't need it
Backpack has 20 slots
Bags start off as 4 but can be upgraded to 20 via buying with gold or crafted, etc.
The math: 20+20+20+20+20=100 inventory slots thats quite alot.
In addition, you can right click items such as crafting materials in your inventory and can be transfered to your bank account via anywhere in the world.
I forgot how many slots the bank holds you get more space. In addition it has its own section for crafting materials as well.
So, really...it might not cost you more thank you think.
So lets get this straight:
1) A cash shop is good and you will support it if it's TSW
2) A cash shop is bad and will lead to the downfall of the game if it's GW2
3) Funcom is not money hungry
4) ANet is money hungry
Did you know that according to Funcom's own internal projections that on top of a $14.99 montly sub, they are expecting 35% of total revenue to come from cash shop sales. What are they putting in their to project that, on average, every player will be spending $5.25 a month on top of the subscription fee? And TSW is releasing in 6 weeks, why have we not yet seen their cash shop? Just curious.
I have no problem with subscriptions, but I do have a problem with people projecting that I'll spend $20.24/month to play the game. Are there things in the cash shop that I will need in order to enjoy their product?
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Disagree. Just the amount saved from subscription over a 4-5 year period (~$900) should easily cover any expansion cost and a dip into the cash shop now and then. Though I'm just speaking for myself. 2 years I've been playing LoL I've spend $40 on it. My friends have spent a couple hundred.
Everyone knew a cash shop would be coming. ArenaNet did not give out details at those point in time because they were most likely still deciding what would be in the shop, and how much they would cost. And the items in the cash shop are still optional.
Why is it so hard to understand that you can just use your gold to buy from the cash shop? Yes, you gotta trade it into gems, but if beta is any indication, a few hundred gems for some silver will look like the norm. Which is nothing, as karma is the currency that's most valuable.
They can't be upfront with it because it's still not set in stone. They're still judging the comments and activity of the shop and more than likely, come next BWE and launch, there will be changes to it. Fans need to take responsibility themselves to be informed and educated.
The cash shop is still optional. It's just convenience.
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I'm sorry to derail this discussion but since apparently Funcom has been open about their cash shop, have they released any information on what those "nice to haves" will be? I tried to google it but I can't seem to find anything.
It's fair to the consumer because GW2 only has a box price and a cash shop. As opposed to having a box price, subscription fee and a cash shop, like 99% of all the other MMOs.
I don't get some of the people who argue against GW2's model. Have you guys looked at the other MMOs? They all have cash shops in addition to a subscription fee. So what exactly is the issue here?
Wrong, you are obviously an irresponsible adult with no self control and ANet is manipulating you and everyone else and will earn at least $40 extra from each person who bought the box because of our crazy habits of wasting money, no arguments, go to your room!
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Nice post, Snipped the useless junk out.
Your issue is that people like something you don't, and are prepared to offer credible reasons why they like it.
Dunno bout your long term goal here but your short term opinion is a closed one. You seem to imply that because NC Soft is A.Net's parent company they have access to their policy on what they add to their game.
Worse, you imply that because another couple of games with different business models were made by the same company, A.Net will inevitably switch to their business model themselves.
I find it funny how you compare GW2 to an MMO that was designed around an economy. An economy, that when I played last, could be used to purchase game time......i.e. Isk could be used to pay the subscription fee.
Blizzard did this crazy thing a while back to combat the gold sellers. They created a mini pet called something like 'the guardian cub'. That mini pet could be bought for real cash and was bind on use, players were not only allowed but encouraged to sell that pet to make in game gold. Last I checked the WoW economy hadn't changed one bit from allowing that to happen.
"My issue is every valid negative point about GW2 and anyone elses is being seen as a troll."
Your issue is invalid, you've posted a negative post about a games fan base in said games forums. There are plenty of fans out there who have been very cynical about details of the game including the cash shop. Yet you've gone out of your way to post a generalized sweeping statement about GW2 fan's......in the GW2 forums.
TBH, I really don't know why I keep responding to troll posts, I think it's that kind hearted person deep down inside me that feels they only want a hug and to feel needed....
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I felt short of bag space all the time, even with 4 4 slotters equipped. If you do crafting, you run out of space nearly instantly. I had do "destroy" quite a few items to make room for more valuable stuff or quest rewards.
did you salvage? thats a big part of both GW1 and GW2
You do know that the game has larger bags right? Some drop from mobs and some are craftable. The largest is a 20 slot bag.
Also, you are probably not aware of this but you can actually send your crafting materials directly to your bank, except for the rare ones.
Salvaging is part of the problem. Crafting will take up more inventory space and bank space as you try to keep all of the matterials and reagents/parts of stuff you crafted need to make more stuff. Oh how convenient in a game I paid $60 to keep nickle and diming me. The bag slots make me sick. Like I said before, what is this a F2P game? Where we're forced by inconvenience to buy more bag and bank slots because we're given little in the beginning?
Right click on the material and select "Deposit Collectible." It sends the material directly into your bank's material panel, which is a different page from your normal storage.
You were doing it wrong.
1. Salvage things that aren't good for you or you just outleveled to make more materials (Even BETTER if you're a crafter)
2. Send crafting materials directly from inventory to bank, to dedicated slots (Doesn't even take up bank slots)
3. Vendors all over the maps. Take a break and sell stuff occasionally
4. Can use marketplace from anywhere as well. Something valuable? Sell it on the marketplace.
5. You can get an 8 slot bag for a mere 20 leather scraps -> 10 leather squares -> 1 8 slot bag. Or 20 cloth if there's a cloth crafter. There's even an armorworking version, I believe. If you have none of those 3 crafts, make a friend, or buy from marketplace.
6. Stop complaining.
Seriously. The system is way more inventory friendly than P2P games, the extra bag slots is above and beyond the already extra-convenient system that's better than P2P games.
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