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Gems for gold and real money
Psym0n
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5. As of BWE 2, the only way to obtain town clothes or minis was to purchase them from the gem shop. Will some town clothes or minis be obtainable as in-game rewards (say, for achievements or as mini-game prizes) when the game launches, or will they be restricted to the cash shop only?
Eric: At the moment, our plan for town clothes and minis is that they are only available via the Black Lion Trading Post (formerly, the Gem Store). There are, of course, some exceptions to this for things like the collector’s edition and other promotional giveaways. One other thing to note is that players are able to use in-game gold to trade for gems with other players via the exchange, so a player does not necessarily need to use cash to acquire these items.
I highlighted the part that concerns me in red. If you can buy gems for real money and trade them with other players for gold, isn´t that the exact same thing as buying gold?
I mean, if I have say 3000 gold, and my friend has 3000 gems he bought for 10 euro´s ( I don´t know the exact costs) and then trades the gems to my account for 3000 gold. In my speculations that´s buying gold for money, but now the goldseller gets gems and ArenaNet gets the money.
This is the article that features this topic:
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/guildwars/guildwars2/guildwars2BWE2interview.html
What is your opinion on this?
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It worked for eve online, why cant it work for this game?
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It makes it so third parties cant make money off the game therefor whats the point. It will keep bots and gold farmers out by destroying the incentive. A GOOD THING!!!!
Who cares if you can buy gold... What can having a lot of gold unlock for you? It's not like there are any mounts or armour/weapons increases you can buy...Everything is pretty much cosmetic, right? So whats the point in even having a lot of gold other than vanity?
This was already known since the last 2 Beta Weekends. The gems, which they encouraged people to try, could be traded directly to other people or traded direct via the system for gold/silerver/coins. It's no big deal.
I Hope so, farmers can still sell gold cheaper than arenanet.
The question is if it will be worth for farmers to sell gold and for that we need to wait and see the price of gems in gold and in real money.
Take Diablo 3 for example, people can buy stuff on the AH for real money but there is lots of people with bots, farming gold and selling it to players. Last i heard the price for 1 million gold was 2 dollars.
Have you ever seen that Pokemon Slowbro meme, where he points out something anyone else woulda realized months ago? Yeah.
No offense, but this forum has been inundated with that same topic, and then we all got over it and moved on with our lives. Yes, you could use gems to buy gold. However, certain things to bear in mind
1) The gold has to come from somewhere; namely a player who then trades it to you for gems. They aren't just making currency from nowhere and inflating the market
2) As above, players sell the gold. Meaning the exact value of gems, and how they impact the market, depends on the players themselves.
3) Gold means very little in this game. Mostly, the only thing that has any serious value that you cna buy with it would be A) cradfted items (which aren't that big a deal since gear isn't as important as in, say, WoW) or siege weapons. The latter item are heavily reliant on another item, namely supply, and cannot just be spammed incessantly. And are cheap enough that at "endgame" levels, normal players will be able to afford a decent number of plans anyway.
Doubtful.
The price is driven by the player economy, not by Anet directly. It goes up & down based on supply / demand, like any normal market place.
Goldfarmers can try and price gouge, but even still money is of such little practical value in this game there's just not much of a reason to do that. You'd still be taking a loss.
I think some are confused in that they think ArenaNet is adding gold to the system. They are not, it is purely a player driven market. The first rule in economics that you learn is supply and demand, and that is what applies here.
It is "selling gold for real money", and it's a very good thing to do. As a person who likes to buy a little gold for real money from time to time (just a little, I never spend more than a couple of dollars) it removes any fuss and risk and just plain distaste from buying gold from shady sources. Plus, it gives profit to a company, which is a good thing.
The only problem it can create is botting and resulting gold inflation, which will not allow _normal_ people to buy gems for gold, because the gold they can earn without botting would cost very little (well, who cares about them would-be-farmers anyway?). But! Considering, that you can't turn gems into real cash, what's the profit for a farmer to get a million of gems? He still can't buy a hamburger for them!
Sure, he can try sell gems for prices cheaper than ArenaNet, but I, for once, would rather pay a little bit more but safely and without fuss. So it actually lowers the amount of boting, in my opinion.
You cant trade gems with other people. if you want to trade them you have to convert gems to gold ( there is a small fee) and send them to another player, who then tranfers it to gems(for a small fee again).
This hasn't been discussed 100s of times?
"Selling" gold doesnt concern me. If it works for an economy driven game like EVE it can't do harm to GW2. As others already stated, supply and demand and a global economy model will balance things out.
A little fear I have is that they may start adding more "non-cosmetic" items in the Gem Store using the excuse that you can use in game gold to buy Gems.
I don't think so. ArenaNET didn't go so far just to make a mistake on the gem price and give some slack to gold selling companies. Remember, the system doesn't costs ArenaNET anything, not even time, while gold sellers need to have farmers in game who need time to gather the gold and an infrastructure to get the real life money and deliver the gold.
It just won't be worth it to farm/sell gold in this game. Not to mention the ban risk for the buyer, who will always prefer the official way in this case, since it's without risk and totally legal.
Is this the "price to pay" (pun intended) to have a gold seller free game? Considering the game isn't gear centric, I think it can work. I don't think we will ever see "cheap gold on GW4GOLD.COM, promotions this week, fast delivery" in our chat, and that's a relief.
There is one MAJOR difference between GW2's system and Diablo 3's AH... in GW2, you can NOT get real money from in game gems or currency. The "real money to gems" mechanic is a one way path.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx7o7CRoDXc&feature=context-vrec
More of an overview but does a good job explaining some finer points and dispelling some misconceptions we've seen here before. While to many of us it's nothing new, I liked seeing a visual representation.
Not exactly, the gems are mostly used for fluff stuff and there is a limit to how many char slots and bankslots people will get, so I have a feeling gems will be rather cheap after a while.
So you will be able to get some gold for gems but it wont be any amazing exchange rate. And you can´t turn the gold or gems back to money which is very important.
Hopefully will this make things worse for hackers.
I am not overly worried, the same people who will buy gems and sell them for gold would get gold from an illegal site anyways otherwise, here noone earns money on it at least.
I frankly don´t care if someone buys gold in the game or not unless it gives them an advantages against me but since items of the same levdel are balanced is that not a huge problem.
Did you just admit to have been engaged in a lot of illegal RMT in the past?
Yeah, will propably bother me - sitting somewhere at back of the head and coming back in full force when I will be out for cash for example in WvW where yu can spend alot of gold.
Things like that have potential to contribute to me stoping playing a game.
On the other hand I am not considering GW2 as Virtual World, but as a strictly game so maybe I will be able to stomach it for longer time.
I'll see I guess.
Saying that I would prefer that those option would not exist. Same thing with keys for lockboxes.
I agree with the keys, even if whats in them sucks badly. At least we thieves should be able to pick the damn things, we are thiefs after all and lock picking is kinda a standard skill.
Keep in mind it's insanely easy to make gold in this game atm. It may not seem like it in the tutorial zones, but even just hitting the 15-25 areas I had more money than I knew what to do w/. Also keeping yourself stocked w/ gathering tools & selling them on the AH is a good way to keep your cash up.
Someone with an army of minis, lots of town clothing, different tonics or a load of dyes will probably win against you in WvWvW for sure. /sarcasm
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I don't like it either OP. You will be able to buy advantages over other players, with gems in the cash shop aswell as anything that can be bought with gold. Some people don't think the items available for RMT at launch are that bad and Arenanet are trying to make them seem less significant by calling them "time convenience items".
I have zero tolerance when it comes to paying for advantages since I want players to earn what they have in games and I find the "time convenience item" argument silly since time is what you use to achieve things in games.
The items available for RMT at launch may not be bad compared to some other games but who knows what will be available for gold and gems in the future?
It basically is, yeah.
This game won't be sustained by just initial purchases. But at least you can't just buy your way to the top either, as they've equalized stats in PvP and you'll need to get hold of different currencies than gems / gold to get the best gear.
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May I redirect you to my post above yours
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Not everyone is only interested in the PvP competition.
Ok then. I rephrase since it's not very obvious.
Someone with an army of minis, lots of town clothing, different tonics or a load of dyes will probably complete the dungeons easier than you.
or
Someone with an army of minis, lots of town clothing, different tonics or a load of dyes will probably be better at finishing DEs than you.
/sarcasm
I hope it's clear now.
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