Originally posted by Alucardlb As someone who raided rather hardcore for years, i can tell you alot of people buy gold, most of my officers ran fishing bots or would buy gold to keep the guild supplied with raiding mats. Its really rather common. When you work a normal job, and raid a good 20 hours plus a week, you dont have time to farm.
Then your guild's raiding accomplishments are tarnished. Congratulations on beating the game by cheating.
Bots = cheating.
Buying gold = cheating
Downing Raid bosses while using supplies obtained by using purchased gold or mats from bots = cheating.
I have a full time job too. I don't cheat.
Psychow, how do you know haven't bought anything from the AH that didnt' result from gold buying? Ever buy a potion? How do you know it wasn't made by a gold buyer or sold/bought by a gold buyer? Most likely there is something from gold buying that has been involved in your raiding as well.
What? You are calling him a cheater because he [may have] unknowingly bought AH item that was sold by a cheater?
Now I'm thinking you are the one wanting to rain down the hate. Not Psyhow.
First and foremost, I never called anyone a cheater, nor implied it. All I was referring to is the fact that most likely everyone has had some sort of contact with gold buyers, whether they know it or not. And if having any contact with gold buyers tarnishes achievements, then most likely all of our achievements are tarnished; simple as that.
mmoguy43, all you have to do is read all the posts here and you can easily tell who's raining down the hate. While others called for the OP to essentially kill over, I was trying to calm things down, get people to stop insulting the OP and to continue with the discussion; your insinuation is offensive and completely erroneous.
Originally posted by Asuran24 I would say more that alot of people that have done wrong, done their time, and made amends would want to see others do the same. Why not hold everyone to the same measurement, and treat them the same that has done the same crime or activity. I know many people that feel the same who did crimes went to do their time, and now feel that allowing others to get away witjout making the same amends as them, cheapens their actions to make amends for the same action.
And I don't think anyone, including the OP, disagrees with you. All I'm asking is that people calm down, stop insutling and hating on the OP and just limit themselves to the discussion at hand.
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Originally posted by Alucardlb As someone who raided rather hardcore for years, i can tell you alot of people buy gold, most of my officers ran fishing bots or would buy gold to keep the guild supplied with raiding mats. Its really rather common. When you work a normal job, and raid a good 20 hours plus a week, you dont have time to farm.
Then your guild's raiding accomplishments are tarnished. Congratulations on beating the game by cheating.
Bots = cheating.
Buying gold = cheating
Downing Raid bosses while using supplies obtained by using purchased gold or mats from bots = cheating.
I have a full time job too. I don't cheat.
man some people have serious psychological issues. Last I played WoW, there was no way for someone to ruin your experience because they had bought gold and you hadn't. That's all that really matters, or SHOULD to anyone not completely insane.
Another issue it is not his first time (even said they have bought several times.), just at most maybe the first time they caught him doing it. As much as people make it oout that only those that get hacked are people that buy gold or characters, there are other ways of getting the info. There are young kids that get their accounts stolen thru e-mail scams. Also the vast numbers of guilds that have their guild banks wiped out by a compromised account holder. All of these effect other players and impead or impact their enjoyment of the game for the sake of other players enjoyment. when theydo a compensation an give back what you lost it can take afew hours at most which is alot of down time for some players, and yet just because you can fix the damage does that make the act any kinder or impeading to the player it happened to.
guys... this isn't real life, this is a game. a few hours from gameplay, while waiting to be compensated, maybe its the best thing for some of these players. Again, I'm not condoing buying gold, and I'm glad that wow enforces its policy rules, but I think someo of the people here are taking it a bit too far. As for the young kids who get their accounts hacked... that has nothing to do with people buying gold from wow. Most likely the hacker was trying to access bank information, consdiering they are just kids, the hacker probably just settled with the game info. None of this justifies buying gold, but I do think some people here need to take it a bit easy.
IS that for you or others to say, what about those that only have finite time to play? They cann't compensate till they know about it, and so you might lose your entire night of playing just to start where you should have been the last night. Well all of the wow account phising e-mails are sure not just for bank info, keyloggers are well debatable though. So wait we are supposed to be kind an nice to someone buying gold (several times), yet the people who lose their time to enjoy playing their game, and having their account compromised need to take time away from the game? People that buy gold to improve their enjoyment of the game are not much better, then those that lost their ability to play or had it impeaded. The gold buyer does not need the gold, just like the player that was hacked could use the time to do somethign else, but the hacked player has no choice in this as they lost their ability to play till they get compensated by the choice of the hacker.
Originally posted by Alucardlb As someone who raided rather hardcore for years, i can tell you alot of people buy gold, most of my officers ran fishing bots or would buy gold to keep the guild supplied with raiding mats. Its really rather common. When you work a normal job, and raid a good 20 hours plus a week, you dont have time to farm.
Then your guild's raiding accomplishments are tarnished. Congratulations on beating the game by cheating.
Bots = cheating.
Buying gold = cheating
Downing Raid bosses while using supplies obtained by using purchased gold or mats from bots = cheating.
I have a full time job too. I don't cheat.
man some people have serious psychological issues. Last I played WoW, there was no way for someone to ruin your experience because they had bought gold and you hadn't. That's all that really matters, or SHOULD to anyone not completely insane.
Nobody said it ruined their experience. I only said they cheated, so their accomplishments are tarnished.
It's like steroids in baseball, a player may have hit X amount of home runs...but those accomplishments are tarnished because they used steroids and cheated the game. Their accomplishements are less than those who didn't cheat.
IS that for you or others to say, what about those that only have finite time to play? They cann't compensate till they know about it, and so you might lose your entire night of playing just to start where you should have been the last night. Well all of the wow account phising e-mails are sure not just for bank info, keyloggers are well debatable though. So wait we are supposed to be kind an nice to someone buying gold (several times), yet the people who lose their time to enjoy playing their game, and having their account compromised need to take time away from the game? People that buy gold to improve their enjoyment of the game are not much better, then those that lost their ability to play or had it impeaded. The gold buyer does not need the gold, just like the player that was hacked could use the time to do somethign else, but the hacked player has no choice in this as they lost their ability to play till they get compensated by the choice of the hacker.
No, in a perfect world the inoccent will not suffer and the guilty will always get what they deserve. My reference was to those who being away from the game for 1-2 hrs is too much; not a good sign of a healthy balance.
Again, as I've said now many times... I am against buying gold, anyone who buys gold should be punished however WOW see fit. Anyone who is an inoccent victim should be compensated, anyone who was a victim by buying (or trying) character lvls and/or gold got what they deserve.
I'm honestly starting to get a headache from spliting hairs with you Asuran24; I think in essence we completely agree, at least I think we do. I honestly see nothing wrong with your statement.
Nobody said it ruined their experience. I only said they cheated, so their accomplishments are tarnished.
It's like steroids in baseball, a player may have hit X amount of home runs...but those accomplishments are tarnished because they used steroids and cheated the game. Their accomplishements are less than those who didn't cheat.
What if the athlete took steroids without knowing it, are his accomplishments still tarnished?
Originally posted by Alucardlb As someone who raided rather hardcore for years, i can tell you alot of people buy gold, most of my officers ran fishing bots or would buy gold to keep the guild supplied with raiding mats. Its really rather common. When you work a normal job, and raid a good 20 hours plus a week, you dont have time to farm.
Then your guild's raiding accomplishments are tarnished. Congratulations on beating the game by cheating.
Bots = cheating.
Buying gold = cheating
Downing Raid bosses while using supplies obtained by using purchased gold or mats from bots = cheating.
I have a full time job too. I don't cheat.
Psychow, how do you know haven't bought anything from the AH that didnt' result from gold buying? Ever buy a potion? How do you know it wasn't made by a gold buyer or sold/bought by a gold buyer? Most likely there is something from gold buying that has been involved in your raiding as well.
What? You are calling him a cheater because he [may have] unknowingly bought AH item that was sold by a cheater?
Now I'm thinking you are the one wanting to rain down the hate. Not Psyhow.
First and foremost, I never called anyone a cheater, nor implied it. All I was referring to is the fact that most likely everyone has had some sort of contact with gold buyers, whether they know it or not. And if having any contact with gold buyers tarnishes achievements, then most likely all of our achievements are tarnished; simple as that.
mmoguy43, all you have to do is read all the posts here and you can easily tell who's raining down the hate. While others called for the OP to essentially kill over, I was trying to calm things down, get people to stop insulting the OP and to continue with the discussion; your insinuation is offensive and completely erroneous.
Why try to calm things down by making bogus claims? Seems counterproductive.
Cheating tarnishes achievments, not this..buying items sold by cheaters that you are unaware of...thing
IS that for you or others to say, what about those that only have finite time to play? They cann't compensate till they know about it, and so you might lose your entire night of playing just to start where you should have been the last night. Well all of the wow account phising e-mails are sure not just for bank info, keyloggers are well debatable though. So wait we are supposed to be kind an nice to someone buying gold (several times), yet the people who lose their time to enjoy playing their game, and having their account compromised need to take time away from the game? People that buy gold to improve their enjoyment of the game are not much better, then those that lost their ability to play or had it impeaded. The gold buyer does not need the gold, just like the player that was hacked could use the time to do somethign else, but the hacked player has no choice in this as they lost their ability to play till they get compensated by the choice of the hacker.
No, in a perfect world the inoccent will not suffer and the guilty will always get what they deserve. My reference was to those who being away from the game for 1-2 hrs is too much; not a good sign of a healthy balance.
Again, as I've said now many times... I am against buying gold, anyone who buys gold should be punished however WOW see fit. Anyone who is an inoccent victim should be compensated, anyone who was a victim by buying (or trying) character lvls and/or gold got what they deserve.
I'm honestly starting to get a headache from spliting hairs with you Asuran24; I think in essence we completely agree, at least I think we do. I honestly see nothing wrong with your statement.
Don't worry that is common when argueing with me or talking with me, my guilds and such were always told to keep large bottles of asprin stocked.
Nobody said it ruined their experience. I only said they cheated, so their accomplishments are tarnished.
It's like steroids in baseball, a player may have hit X amount of home runs...but those accomplishments are tarnished because they used steroids and cheated the game. Their accomplishements are less than those who didn't cheat.
What if the athlete took steroids without knowing it, are his accomplishments still tarnished?
Did he/she have a unfair advantage?, did anyone else possibly know?
Originally posted by Alucardlb As someone who raided rather hardcore for years, i can tell you alot of people buy gold, most of my officers ran fishing bots or would buy gold to keep the guild supplied with raiding mats. Its really rather common. When you work a normal job, and raid a good 20 hours plus a week, you dont have time to farm.
Then your guild's raiding accomplishments are tarnished. Congratulations on beating the game by cheating.
Bots = cheating.
Buying gold = cheating
Downing Raid bosses while using supplies obtained by using purchased gold or mats from bots = cheating.
I have a full time job too. I don't cheat.
Psychow, how do you know haven't bought anything from the AH that didnt' result from gold buying? Ever buy a potion? How do you know it wasn't made by a gold buyer or sold/bought by a gold buyer? Most likely there is something from gold buying that has been involved in your raiding as well.
What? You are calling him a cheater because he [may have] unknowingly bought AH item that was sold by a cheater?
Now I'm thinking you are the one wanting to rain down the hate. Not Psyhow.
First and foremost, I never called anyone a cheater, nor implied it. All I was referring to is the fact that most likely everyone has had some sort of contact with gold buyers, whether they know it or not. And if having any contact with gold buyers tarnishes achievements, then most likely all of our achievements are tarnished; simple as that.
mmoguy43, all you have to do is read all the posts here and you can easily tell who's raining down the hate. While others called for the OP to essentially kill over, I was trying to calm things down, get people to stop insulting the OP and to continue with the discussion; your insinuation is offensive and completely erroneous.
Why try to calm things down by making bogus claims? Seems counterproductive.
Cheating tarnishes achievments, not this..buying items sold by cheaters that you are unaware of...thing
I'm offended that you are offended.
Don't worry i am offended by you taking offense, with him being offended
What have you got to lose? you will be back at 85 with epics withing 2 weeks, Any miscellaneous items can be bought with more gold.
Hey, i hate gold sellers, but the cost of gold in that game is ridiculous.
We should send in goblin bombadiers to ever ah in wow on ever server, and then blow them up. Then the price of gold will plummet just like in fight club when the bank building fell.
Ok, I'll stop preaching, but I do have one question to gold buyers:
What is it you buy?
Gems and enchant and your riding skills are pretty much it IMO. I mean maybe some crafting mats/comsumables but seriously...what do you buy that requires the purchase of gold?
Man, if you're gonna do something against the rules, at least be smart about it..
All I gotta say.
I agree, if you're gonna break the rules, be smart about it. If you're not willing to pay the consequences, don't do it!
Well, if you read the first couple pages of this thread, you'll see that I got away with tons of gold buying. To be completely honest, the OP looks like a little kid who stole 5 cents of candy compared to the amount of gold I've bought. I can't recall all the gold I've bought, but I can say with certaintly that I've al least bought well over 700k; and I'm being VERY conservative. I would not be surprised if I ended up buying more than 1 million gold. Scary thing, is that there are probably many players who have bought way more gold than I have.
Having said all that, if you kept reading you'll see that since I got married I've stopped buying gold and realized how stupid it was and how much it ruined the gameplay, at least for me. And yes, I got away with it, I never got caught and my account never got hacked. I'm not boasting, just being honest. Yes, I know it was wrong and I probably should have been permanently banned from wow; oh well, bygones will be bygones.
To those who will jump on me like ruthless beasts with vicious attacks... save your breath (or your fingers), it's not worth attacking me, I've already quit WOW; I guess you could say you guys are better off now that I'm not playing anymore lol.
Having said all that, I still feel bad for the OP, mainly out of guilt cause I got away with it, but also because I think that some of the things said to him on this thread were uncalled for.
Ok, I'll stop preaching, but I do have one question to gold buyers:
What is it you buy?
Gems and enchant and your riding skills are pretty much it IMO. I mean maybe some crafting mats/comsumables but seriously...what do you buy that requires the purchase of gold?
I mainly bought mats, though once in a blue moon I would buy a piece of gear.
Nobody said it ruined their experience. I only said they cheated, so their accomplishments are tarnished.
It's like steroids in baseball, a player may have hit X amount of home runs...but those accomplishments are tarnished because they used steroids and cheated the game. Their accomplishements are less than those who didn't cheat.
What if the athlete took steroids without knowing it, are his accomplishments still tarnished?
Did he/she have a unfair advantage?, did anyone else possibly know?
Yes, the athlete had an advantage, because the steroids helped the athlete perform better than he normally would. No, no one knew the athlete had taken the steroids; not even the athelete himself.
Nobody said it ruined their experience. I only said they cheated, so their accomplishments are tarnished.
It's like steroids in baseball, a player may have hit X amount of home runs...but those accomplishments are tarnished because they used steroids and cheated the game. Their accomplishements are less than those who didn't cheat.
What if the athlete took steroids without knowing it, are his accomplishments still tarnished?
Did he/she have a unfair advantage?, did anyone else possibly know?
Yes, the athlete had an advantage, because the steroids helped the athlete perform better than he normally would. No, no one knew the athlete had taken the steroids; not even the athelete himself.
Then yes the achievements are tarnishedm but yet since no one knows about the act or cause the fact goes unpublicized, and so it is voided out. By definition you did not cheat as that would imply gaining an unfair advantage deliberately, yet still you gained a unfair advantage whch should tarnish the victory if ever revealed.
Yes, the athlete had an advantage, because the steroids helped the athlete perform better than he normally would. No, no one knew the athlete had taken the steroids; not even the athelete himself.
Then yes the achievements are tarnishedm but yet since no one knows about the act or cause the fact goes unpublicized, and so it is voided out. By definition you did not cheat as that would imply gaining an unfair advantage deliberately, yet still you gained a unfair advantage whch should tarnish the victory if ever revealed.
How is it ok to cheat without anyone knowing about it but not ok to cheat if at least one person knows about it? the unfair advantage is still there... is it still not cheating??
Yes, the athlete had an advantage, because the steroids helped the athlete perform better than he normally would. No, no one knew the athlete had taken the steroids; not even the athelete himself.
Then yes the achievements are tarnishedm but yet since no one knows about the act or cause the fact goes unpublicized, and so it is voided out. By definition you did not cheat as that would imply gaining an unfair advantage deliberately, yet still you gained a unfair advantage whch should tarnish the victory if ever revealed.
How is it ok to cheat without anyone knowing about it but not ok to cheat if at least one person knows about it? the unfair advantage is still there... is it still not cheating??
Nothign said it was okay to cheat, yet because of the fact that it was not done deliberately it is not technically cheating, since to cheat you must seek to deliberately gain an unfair advantage by most definitions. Yet if no one knows, then how can you say they cheated? It's not a matter of right or wrong but of knowlege of the act. The big part of this is the word "deliberately" when it comes to cheating, since you have to aquired a unfair advantage deliberately to be cheating, not jsut possess a unfair advantage on acident.
Yes, the athlete had an advantage, because the steroids helped the athlete perform better than he normally would. No, no one knew the athlete had taken the steroids; not even the athelete himself.
Then yes the achievements are tarnishedm but yet since no one knows about the act or cause the fact goes unpublicized, and so it is voided out. By definition you did not cheat as that would imply gaining an unfair advantage deliberately, yet still you gained a unfair advantage whch should tarnish the victory if ever revealed.
How is it ok to cheat without anyone knowing about it but not ok to cheat if at least one person knows about it? the unfair advantage is still there... is it still not cheating??
Nothign said it was okay to cheat, yet because of the fact that it was not done deliberately it is not technically cheating, since to cheat you must seek to deliberately gain an unfair advantage by most definitions. Yet if no one knows, then how can you say they cheated? It's not a matter of right or wrong but of knowlege of the act. The big part of this is the word "deliberately" when it comes to cheating, since you have to aquired a unfair advantage deliberately to be cheating, not jsut possess a unfair advantage on acident.
So... what would happen to an athlete who is given steroids without his knoledge by his trainer? Do both get canned or only the trainer?
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First and foremost, I never called anyone a cheater, nor implied it. All I was referring to is the fact that most likely everyone has had some sort of contact with gold buyers, whether they know it or not. And if having any contact with gold buyers tarnishes achievements, then most likely all of our achievements are tarnished; simple as that.
mmoguy43, all you have to do is read all the posts here and you can easily tell who's raining down the hate. While others called for the OP to essentially kill over, I was trying to calm things down, get people to stop insulting the OP and to continue with the discussion; your insinuation is offensive and completely erroneous.
And I don't think anyone, including the OP, disagrees with you. All I'm asking is that people calm down, stop insutling and hating on the OP and just limit themselves to the discussion at hand.
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man some people have serious psychological issues. Last I played WoW, there was no way for someone to ruin your experience because they had bought gold and you hadn't. That's all that really matters, or SHOULD to anyone not completely insane.
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IS that for you or others to say, what about those that only have finite time to play? They cann't compensate till they know about it, and so you might lose your entire night of playing just to start where you should have been the last night. Well all of the wow account phising e-mails are sure not just for bank info, keyloggers are well debatable though. So wait we are supposed to be kind an nice to someone buying gold (several times), yet the people who lose their time to enjoy playing their game, and having their account compromised need to take time away from the game? People that buy gold to improve their enjoyment of the game are not much better, then those that lost their ability to play or had it impeaded. The gold buyer does not need the gold, just like the player that was hacked could use the time to do somethign else, but the hacked player has no choice in this as they lost their ability to play till they get compensated by the choice of the hacker.
Nobody said it ruined their experience. I only said they cheated, so their accomplishments are tarnished.
It's like steroids in baseball, a player may have hit X amount of home runs...but those accomplishments are tarnished because they used steroids and cheated the game. Their accomplishements are less than those who didn't cheat.
No, in a perfect world the inoccent will not suffer and the guilty will always get what they deserve. My reference was to those who being away from the game for 1-2 hrs is too much; not a good sign of a healthy balance.
Again, as I've said now many times... I am against buying gold, anyone who buys gold should be punished however WOW see fit. Anyone who is an inoccent victim should be compensated, anyone who was a victim by buying (or trying) character lvls and/or gold got what they deserve.
I'm honestly starting to get a headache from spliting hairs with you Asuran24; I think in essence we completely agree, at least I think we do. I honestly see nothing wrong with your statement.
What if the athlete took steroids without knowing it, are his accomplishments still tarnished?
Why try to calm things down by making bogus claims? Seems counterproductive.
Cheating tarnishes achievments, not this..buying items sold by cheaters that you are unaware of...thing
I'm offended that you are offended.
Man, if you're gonna do something against the rules, at least be smart about it..
All I gotta say.
Don't worry that is common when argueing with me or talking with me, my guilds and such were always told to keep large bottles of asprin stocked.
Did he/she have a unfair advantage?, did anyone else possibly know?
Don't worry i am offended by you taking offense, with him being offended
What have you got to lose? you will be back at 85 with epics withing 2 weeks, Any miscellaneous items can be bought with more gold.
Hey, i hate gold sellers, but the cost of gold in that game is ridiculous.
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We should send in goblin bombadiers to ever ah in wow on ever server, and then blow them up. Then the price of gold will plummet just like in fight club when the bank building fell.
Ok, I'll stop preaching, but I do have one question to gold buyers:
What is it you buy?
Gems and enchant and your riding skills are pretty much it IMO. I mean maybe some crafting mats/comsumables but seriously...what do you buy that requires the purchase of gold?
I agree, if you're gonna break the rules, be smart about it. If you're not willing to pay the consequences, don't do it!
Well, if you read the first couple pages of this thread, you'll see that I got away with tons of gold buying. To be completely honest, the OP looks like a little kid who stole 5 cents of candy compared to the amount of gold I've bought. I can't recall all the gold I've bought, but I can say with certaintly that I've al least bought well over 700k; and I'm being VERY conservative. I would not be surprised if I ended up buying more than 1 million gold. Scary thing, is that there are probably many players who have bought way more gold than I have.
Having said all that, if you kept reading you'll see that since I got married I've stopped buying gold and realized how stupid it was and how much it ruined the gameplay, at least for me. And yes, I got away with it, I never got caught and my account never got hacked. I'm not boasting, just being honest. Yes, I know it was wrong and I probably should have been permanently banned from wow; oh well, bygones will be bygones.
To those who will jump on me like ruthless beasts with vicious attacks... save your breath (or your fingers), it's not worth attacking me, I've already quit WOW; I guess you could say you guys are better off now that I'm not playing anymore lol.
Having said all that, I still feel bad for the OP, mainly out of guilt cause I got away with it, but also because I think that some of the things said to him on this thread were uncalled for.
I mainly bought mats, though once in a blue moon I would buy a piece of gear.
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Yes, the athlete had an advantage, because the steroids helped the athlete perform better than he normally would. No, no one knew the athlete had taken the steroids; not even the athelete himself.
Then yes the achievements are tarnishedm but yet since no one knows about the act or cause the fact goes unpublicized, and so it is voided out. By definition you did not cheat as that would imply gaining an unfair advantage deliberately, yet still you gained a unfair advantage whch should tarnish the victory if ever revealed.
How is it ok to cheat without anyone knowing about it but not ok to cheat if at least one person knows about it? the unfair advantage is still there... is it still not cheating??
Nothign said it was okay to cheat, yet because of the fact that it was not done deliberately it is not technically cheating, since to cheat you must seek to deliberately gain an unfair advantage by most definitions. Yet if no one knows, then how can you say they cheated? It's not a matter of right or wrong but of knowlege of the act. The big part of this is the word "deliberately" when it comes to cheating, since you have to aquired a unfair advantage deliberately to be cheating, not jsut possess a unfair advantage on acident.
So... what would happen to an athlete who is given steroids without his knoledge by his trainer? Do both get canned or only the trainer?