Yes, the athlete had an advantage, because the steroids helped the athlete perform better than he normally would. No, no one knew the athlete had taken the steroids; not even the athelete himself.
Then yes the achievements are tarnishedm but yet since no one knows about the act or cause the fact goes unpublicized, and so it is voided out. By definition you did not cheat as that would imply gaining an unfair advantage deliberately, yet still you gained a unfair advantage whch should tarnish the victory if ever revealed.
How is it ok to cheat without anyone knowing about it but not ok to cheat if at least one person knows about it? the unfair advantage is still there... is it still not cheating??
Nothign said it was okay to cheat, yet because of the fact that it was not done deliberately it is not technically cheating, since to cheat you must seek to deliberately gain an unfair advantage by most definitions. Yet if no one knows, then how can you say they cheated? It's not a matter of right or wrong but of knowlege of the act. The big part of this is the word "deliberately" when it comes to cheating, since you have to aquired a unfair advantage deliberately to be cheating, not jsut possess a unfair advantage on acident.
So... what would happen to an athlete who is given steroids without his knoledge by his trainer? Do both get canned or only the trainer?
Trainer for un-sportsmen behavior an unfair practices. While the athlete would most likely have any medels or such he gained via the time he had the sustance in their system voided or taken away, since they were gained under false pretences. Even if the athlete did not know they possessed a advantage over their competitors, and also as such violated most likely the rules of the games or events they were in.
Trainer for un-sportsmen behavior an unfair practices. While the athlete would most likely have any medels or such he gained via the time he had the sustance in their system voided or taken away, since they were gained under false pretences. Even if the athlete did not know they possessed a advantage over their competitors, and also as such violated most likely the rules of the games or events they were in.
So... any achievements accomplished by any wow player who has benefited by gold-buying, whether or not they were aware of it at the time they accomplished the achievement, would it not then cause said achievement to be stripped of any true merit and value? Similarly to the athlete who uknowingly accomplished his achievement under false pretences.
Turbine and Blizzard have never banned for buying gold.
You might get a suspension if you keep doing alot in very short period of time or another warning.
Just space it out and do it as little as possible and they will leave you alone.
Well, if you're going to do it, be smart about it and don't get caught; if you get caught and you're going to continue, then yes, space it out and do it as little as possible. It would probably be best to not do it at all however.
Trainer for un-sportsmen behavior an unfair practices. While the athlete would most likely have any medels or such he gained via the time he had the sustance in their system voided or taken away, since they were gained under false pretences. Even if the athlete did not know they possessed a advantage over their competitors, and also as such violated most likely the rules of the games or events they were in.
So... any achievements accomplished by any wow player who has benefited by gold-buying, whether or not they were aware of it at the time they accomplished the achievement, would it not then cause said achievement to be stripped of any true merit and value? Similarly to the athlete who uknowingly accomplished his achievement under false pretences.
Dependent on the game, rule sets, and opinons of the devolopers. I would say yes any achiements gained from such happening should be, yet the issue is proving they had a afair advantage (knowingly or not.) so as to have proff that the achievement should have it's value an merit resended from them.
Trainer for un-sportsmen behavior an unfair practices. While the athlete would most likely have any medels or such he gained via the time he had the sustance in their system voided or taken away, since they were gained under false pretences. Even if the athlete did not know they possessed a advantage over their competitors, and also as such violated most likely the rules of the games or events they were in.
So... any achievements accomplished by any wow player who has benefited by gold-buying, whether or not they were aware of it at the time they accomplished the achievement, would it not then cause said achievement to be stripped of any true merit and value? Similarly to the athlete who uknowingly accomplished his achievement under false pretences.
Dependent on the game, rule sets, and opinons of the devolopers. I would say yes any achiements gained from such happening should be, yet the issue is proving they had a afair advantage (knowingly or not.) so as to have proff that the achievement should have it's value an merit resended from them.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Very simple fix, if you are caught buying gold it is shown for 3 months in your stats. That a reputation buster-job done.
That's actually not a bad idea. Have each character of a player who bought gold glow or have some funny/embarrassing effect; I think that would help to dissuade people from buying gold.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Very simple fix, if you are caught buying gold it is shown for 3 months in your stats. That a reputation buster-job done.
That's actually not a bad idea. Have each character of a player who bought gold glow or have some funny/embarrassing effect; I think that would help to dissuade people from buying gold.
An make them worth five times the honor as normal, with a chance to drop some of their gold on death, and for repeat offenders a stacking stat debuff per additional time of buying gold (within the three month period.).
I'd rather all gold, gear, honor and achievements be taken away forever from all characters on that account. They can start over by taking their level 85 and killing lvl 1 boars bare handed until they scrounge up enough money to buy a starter sword and so on.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Serious question, why can't blizzard zone up with simple solutions like this, or maybe they just don't care as long as subs roll in...
there are solutions, but out of the ones i can think of large portions of the community would have a fit if they implemented them.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Serious question, why can't blizzard zone up with simple solutions like this, or maybe they just don't care as long as subs roll in...
Originally posted by Bladestrom Serious question, why can't blizzard zone up with simple solutions like this, or maybe they just don't care as long as subs roll in...
there are solutions, but out of the ones i can think of large portions of the community would have a fit if they implemented them.
What if the harsh solutions were implemented into the game from the start? Like, say, harsh solutions inplemented in GW2 or Titan or whatevr.
There would be no "history" of getting away with it. The Drakonian method would be in place from day one.
They should give players who buy gold detention. Make them farm candles from Kobolds or fish kelp, make boiled clams or something else completely mundane. Until they finish the completely mundane task they should lose access to all mounts.
But the task should be equal to the gold bought, say if they bought 50,000 gold they'd need to farm 50,000 worth of candles, hehe.
For people upset at Diablo 3's RMAH - people like the OP is a large part of why they did it. Because no matter how often and how loud you tell people that buying gold from gold farmers is a great way to get your account hacked, or that it ruins the in-game economy, or that it encourages gold-farming companies to continue their illegal practices that often involve over-working poorly-treated and barely-paid employees in countries such as China, etc., etc., they still do it anyway, because they just don't care.
Quite frankly, the OP's account should have been banned, the credit card used to pay for the subscriptions banned, and his characters permenantly deleted.
What if the harsh solutions were implemented into the game from the start? Like, say, harsh solutions inplemented in GW2 or Titan or whatevr.
There would be no "history" of getting away with it. The Drakonian method would be in place from day one.
thats the best way to go imo. develop a plan to deal with it and launch with that plan in place. WOW is old, i can't blame them.
harsh penalties on buyers is one way to go but from a business standpoint i'm not sure any company would be willing to adopt this strategy over a a strategy that doesn't shrink their playerbase. there are strategies that actually make them money without banning anyone like in D3.
they tried to launch with a plan in D3, but from what i'm hearing second hand it sounds like they took their plan a little too far and it affected the game. i'm not making a statement, that could be misinformation. i don't know i did not buy D3.
but GW2 is trying a solution with the gems for gold thing, we'll see if that has an impact.
i have no doubt Titan will do something similar. anywhere from a RMAH to just selling gold themselves. and ya theres other things they can try besides making the gold more accessible but i would wager they will work a way for them to make money into the solution.
a solution that doesn't hurt the players, allows them to buy gold without going to a shady third party site, and creates profit for the company is a win for everyone in my personal opinion.
Banning for one gold-buying offense is a really draconian punishment, not sure why everybody loves to cheer on this kind of thing. For a lot of new MMO players, buying gold doesn't sound like anything harmful so it's fair to let them off with a warning and inform them of the consequences of their actions, as done in that E-Mail.
Also, I've never understood how Blizzard can truthfully determine if somebody has bought gold. Receiving a large sum in your mailbox is not really proof. I've always wondered too, if I don't like somebody could I perhaps purchase a few dollars worth of gold, have it sent to their character and poof, they're banned for good?
The only way to stop gold farming is to stop making MMORPGs so dependant on fake economies that require players to farm massive amounts of items to throw on the auction house for cash.
I've bought gold in plenty of MMORPGs, especially WoW whenever I need money for gems/enchants. For oldschool MMORPGs like FFXI, EverQuest, UO, and Lineage II, it's almost essential.
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Trainer for un-sportsmen behavior an unfair practices. While the athlete would most likely have any medels or such he gained via the time he had the sustance in their system voided or taken away, since they were gained under false pretences. Even if the athlete did not know they possessed a advantage over their competitors, and also as such violated most likely the rules of the games or events they were in.
They didn't ban people at the games peak either, not for first offense.
So... any achievements accomplished by any wow player who has benefited by gold-buying, whether or not they were aware of it at the time they accomplished the achievement, would it not then cause said achievement to be stripped of any true merit and value? Similarly to the athlete who uknowingly accomplished his achievement under false pretences.
it wasn't his first offense
There is nothing to fear here.
Turbine and Blizzard have never banned for buying gold.
You might get a suspension if you keep doing alot in very short period of time or another warning.
Just space it out and do it as little as possible and they will leave you alone.
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Well, if you're going to do it, be smart about it and don't get caught; if you get caught and you're going to continue, then yes, space it out and do it as little as possible. It would probably be best to not do it at all however.
Dependent on the game, rule sets, and opinons of the devolopers. I would say yes any achiements gained from such happening should be, yet the issue is proving they had a afair advantage (knowingly or not.) so as to have proff that the achievement should have it's value an merit resended from them.
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Fair enough
That's actually not a bad idea. Have each character of a player who bought gold glow or have some funny/embarrassing effect; I think that would help to dissuade people from buying gold.
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An make them worth five times the honor as normal, with a chance to drop some of their gold on death, and for repeat offenders a stacking stat debuff per additional time of buying gold (within the three month period.).
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
I'd rather all gold, gear, honor and achievements be taken away forever from all characters on that account. They can start over by taking their level 85 and killing lvl 1 boars bare handed until they scrounge up enough money to buy a starter sword and so on.
and yeah...a glowing, triple honor avatar too.
there are solutions, but out of the ones i can think of large portions of the community would have a fit if they implemented them.
I think you nailed it
What if the harsh solutions were implemented into the game from the start? Like, say, harsh solutions inplemented in GW2 or Titan or whatevr.
There would be no "history" of getting away with it. The Drakonian method would be in place from day one.
They should give players who buy gold detention. Make them farm candles from Kobolds or fish kelp, make boiled clams or something else completely mundane. Until they finish the completely mundane task they should lose access to all mounts.
But the task should be equal to the gold bought, say if they bought 50,000 gold they'd need to farm 50,000 worth of candles, hehe.
For people upset at Diablo 3's RMAH - people like the OP is a large part of why they did it. Because no matter how often and how loud you tell people that buying gold from gold farmers is a great way to get your account hacked, or that it ruins the in-game economy, or that it encourages gold-farming companies to continue their illegal practices that often involve over-working poorly-treated and barely-paid employees in countries such as China, etc., etc., they still do it anyway, because they just don't care.
Quite frankly, the OP's account should have been banned, the credit card used to pay for the subscriptions banned, and his characters permenantly deleted.
thats the best way to go imo. develop a plan to deal with it and launch with that plan in place. WOW is old, i can't blame them.
harsh penalties on buyers is one way to go but from a business standpoint i'm not sure any company would be willing to adopt this strategy over a a strategy that doesn't shrink their playerbase. there are strategies that actually make them money without banning anyone like in D3.
they tried to launch with a plan in D3, but from what i'm hearing second hand it sounds like they took their plan a little too far and it affected the game. i'm not making a statement, that could be misinformation. i don't know i did not buy D3.
but GW2 is trying a solution with the gems for gold thing, we'll see if that has an impact.
i have no doubt Titan will do something similar. anywhere from a RMAH to just selling gold themselves. and ya theres other things they can try besides making the gold more accessible but i would wager they will work a way for them to make money into the solution.
a solution that doesn't hurt the players, allows them to buy gold without going to a shady third party site, and creates profit for the company is a win for everyone in my personal opinion.
Look its as simple as this...........
Blizzard is bleeding subs........................Once again, Blizzard is bleeding subs
They will NOT ban you for this, it makes zero business sense with their sub numbers. You guys can 'debate' it all you want, point remains.
Blizzard will not do anything at this time,
Banning for one gold-buying offense is a really draconian punishment, not sure why everybody loves to cheer on this kind of thing. For a lot of new MMO players, buying gold doesn't sound like anything harmful so it's fair to let them off with a warning and inform them of the consequences of their actions, as done in that E-Mail.
Also, I've never understood how Blizzard can truthfully determine if somebody has bought gold. Receiving a large sum in your mailbox is not really proof. I've always wondered too, if I don't like somebody could I perhaps purchase a few dollars worth of gold, have it sent to their character and poof, they're banned for good?
The only way to stop gold farming is to stop making MMORPGs so dependant on fake economies that require players to farm massive amounts of items to throw on the auction house for cash.
I've bought gold in plenty of MMORPGs, especially WoW whenever I need money for gems/enchants. For oldschool MMORPGs like FFXI, EverQuest, UO, and Lineage II, it's almost essential.