Yeah I don't trust that the game won't go F2P shortly after launch.
Look at TERA, I purchased collectors edition paid over $100 for a game that I didn't even play for 8 hours before saying im done because of the UI Font Size bug on smaller monitors.
On top of this I was told that the game would not be pay 2 enjoy or other words charge for cosmetic items but shortly after game Goes F2P and here we go Cash Shop Pay 2 Enjoy.
I think the same thing is going to happen with ESO players will play it for a month or two if that then they will be like This game sucks, now I could be wrong but based on my Beta experience with the game the game is bad lacked all the content I would want to see in a 2014 MMO Release, and locked character classes rather than going sand-box based allowing players to develop their own unique race story line & play all classes on a single character.
That article is from 2012 but i agree... it has high chances of F2P... in 1 year or so. So it depends if you want to wait 1 year or not.
I asume you never played a f2p game... In the end they are just as expensive and for many even more expensive as subbed games...
the only advantage of a f2p game is the fact that you can easilly return to them after a longer periode of absence... But as soon as you get really deep intoo the game, you will be spending money...
In the end, when subs drop to low... F2p is a way of nreviving a game. But with good management and enough content to keep people busy it may take years beforee such a step is needed. And people only seem to look at the PC market with their assumptions, but seem to forget that on consoles there is not really competition for the game, and this gives the gamme a huge advantage...
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Whether or not the go F2P or stay on the P2P model is largely down to us the consumer. IF enough of us are willing to pay and to keep paying then the P2P model will remain. This will largely depend on how well ESO can manage its retention can it keep us interested enough to keep paying monthly.
They need to keep new content coming in ahead of the leveling curve so that by the time the majority of players have hit the "end game" they have something in place to keep our attention.
If they fail at this and the game revenue drops below what ever threshold is set to make it profitable then and only then will they do as many others have done and go to the f2p model.
I for one hope that there is enough content to keep us invested for some time to come.
please everyone read the above link, and make it a sticky, so we dont have these pay to win topics pop up atleast 2 times a day.
this is not meant to be a discussion topic, but as a fact and a statement... There is no reason to discuss this for now and the future anyhow, as there are no plans either to go free to play ... Just accept this as a fact...
Just accept this fact: you will be able to even buy playable races in the cash shop.
As to "no plans to go F2P".... i find this statement very funny
A fact is something you have proof of..
your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...
Fact
Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
Here's another "fact." Ever since the sub model for this game was announced last summer, this forum has been trolled by F2P fans saying that the game would be Box price + Sub + "in-game cash shop." And they always emphasized the "in-game cash shop" part as being the ultimate in greed (ironic, considering their pay preference.)
When the "in game" part was brought into question, they then moved on to saying that this distinction is of no consequence. That is just typical political debate douchebaggery: when called on a lie or exaggeration their next move is always to retreat to the argument that said exaggeration was not "the point."
Next came the announcement of the Imperial edition content. And they again flooded the forums this time saying that the Imperial Race would be OP'd and that this is clearly a "paywall" and "pay to win." Putting a race behind a CE bonus is definitely unusual, so the "paywall" argument had some resonance with many people. If they had left it at that, they could have salvaged some of their previously lost credibility.
But their "P2W" argument sort of fell apart when the Imperial racials became known and people noticed there was no "win" to them.... Enter the re-definition of "win" which now emphasizes the horse advantage more.
And the absolutely latest refinement is the outrageous indecency of giving people the option to upgrade to the digital CE after launch...the horror!
Now... long before F2P was anything more than a mostly laughed at Eastern MMO concept (with Turbine's DDO being the only notable Western one) and long before iTunes' "free games" made the P2W concept an acceptable form of separating kids from their money, special digital "collector" editions of MMOs already existed with in game items - typically shitty items (and/or in-game titles) whose usefulness disappeared within hours of playing the game, but they were there.
No one called that "P2W" back in the day mostly because the acronym wasn't in common use. That only happened later after people started noticing that "free" didn't really mean "everything is free" and companies started monetizing anything they could get away with.
We get that some of you guys really, really love the "F2P" model or its refinement,"B2P". But we are also seeing a growing number of people who hate the "in-game" marketing they all use with immersion-breaking convenient links and broadcast ads...whatever... the two camps know each other's positions well. But the future of F2P is now in question - failing to admit even that and predicting that everything will eventually be F2P because that's what happened in the last 5 years are now being questioned by a growing number of people who have seen F2P first hand and don't care for it.
But we also know that the reason F2P fans continue to come here with their silly exaggerations attributing the most hated parts of the F2P system to this game is just a continuation of the same old shit: you wanted this to be F2P and it ain't... boo-frikking-hoo.
You're not going to convert anyone here to the F2P "faith." And some of you with your zeal, do make it sound like a religion.
We're just gamers here looking forward to playing an MMO that has caught our interest... discussing details... making build-plans... speculating about end-game... in short, discussing all the things gamers like to discuss about a game they like. And most of us are fine with the old-fashioned sub model here.
And to be fair, I personally. would not have started a thread with this title because I know who it would attract when it rolls through the front page of this site, and the discussion it would generate. And we've had more than a hundred of these threads here already. This whole F2P vs. P2P issue probably should be a sticky debate topic at "The Pub" just like the "Sandbox vs. Themepark" thread.
So... ESO is P2P, it has Collectors' Editions with better than usual stuff, there is no in-game cash shop, and we like it this way. Now kindly take your half-truths and exaggerations somewhere else.
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The amount of times they have said that this game can absolutely not go free to play that there is no possibility of it when they announce it in 6 months or more which they will do eventually that's a fact those statements are gonna hurt them even more.
Just follow the link in my orriginal post... It explains the mistake.... There will only be an account based service... For acount based stuff, but no ingame stuff...
why do you think i used that link in my orriginal post?
Unlocking character slots, account wide bag space or account wide bank space, these things could be considered account based stuff. Now, I'm not saying that ESO is going to be offering those things (not unless it goes F2P), but what about things like say an Explorer's Pack? How about unlocking a new race like the Imperials? Those things could also be considered account services, right?
Even if the shop only offers transfers and other standard account related stuff, the fact is that there will still be a shop in game. And, you can bet that, if they need to (like switching payment models or just generating extra income WoW style), the shop will have all the functionality needed to sell other stuff.
Then again, maybe not, we'll see.
They explicitly said nothing that affects gameplay. They could change their minds, I suppose, but I highly doubt Zeni wants to risk facing backlash over such a decision. The loss of a huge chunk of the playerbase would not make up for the small sums they received.
Haven't they already done that though with the imperial race box debacle ?
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Originally posted by cura There had to be something going on couse i doubt their game director is an uninformed idiot lol
Their game director is responsible to the investors, and must meet their ROI expectations. No matter what any developer might WANT to do, they will monetize the sh*t ouf of TESO to try and reach that ROI target as quickly as possible.
Guess what? Investors don't care about the game being fun. They care about money. The fastest way to make money on an MMO is to establish a nice high box price ($60, or $100 for the collector's edition) AND have a subscription fee AND have a cash shop. We all know the drill. Subscribers will fall off on the 30/60/90/120 day cycles. Box prices will drop from $60 to $50 to $40. And between 6 months and a year out, when the recurring subscriptions dwindle, they'll shift things to a free-to-play model, ramping up the cash shop and breaking things up so stuff that used to be included with the subscription are now addon DLC's. Of course, your characters will get grandfather'd in, but if you stop subscribing you'll end up having to buy those new DLC packs to make new characters, etc, etc.
Nothing new here, except having the cash shop in place from Day 1.
QFT. How many times do developers have to pull this crap before people start recognizing the pattern?
please everyone read the above link, and make it a sticky, so we dont have these pay to win topics pop up atleast 2 times a day.
this is not meant to be a discussion topic, but as a fact and a statement... There is no reason to discuss this for now and the future anyhow, as there are no plans either to go free to play ... Just accept this as a fact...
Just accept this fact: you will be able to even buy playable races in the cash shop.
As to "no plans to go F2P".... i find this statement very funny
A fact is something you have proof of..
your assumption is nothing else but a wild guess...
Fact
Can I upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition?Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so.
There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item.
And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast)
This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features"
F2P mentality
and FACT 2
every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future".
Fact 1, Debunked. The upgrade to imperial addition is like the FFXIV standard edition but in the SE store they allow you to upgrade to Collectors Edition, FFXIV does not have a CASH SHOP and offers this feature, same is true here. Upgrade does not equal cash shop.
Fact 2. They said they have no plans also to go F2P, the reason being was that they feel that P2P (subs) is the best option to allow devs to focus on making updates and expansions and resulting in higher quality content.
What this means, is that if devs have to focus on a CASH SHOP and items to offer, they are not working on the Updates and Expansions instead. So they say this because at this point, they have NO PLANS on putting dev time on the F2P model which offers CASH SHOPS to support and bring in cash.
This thread looks pretty much as casual day in mental institution. You ask someone why are you shouting that you are Ronald Regan. From what I have seen in your passport you are John Smith.
And he answers. It doesn’t mean anything. Look around. Those Napoleon, Lennon and Peter Pan have also wrong names in their passports!
Here's another "fact." Ever since the sub model for this game was announced last summer, this forum has been trolled by F2P fans saying that the game would be Box price + Sub + "in-game cash shop." And they always emphasized the "in-game cash shop" part as being the ultimate in greed (ironic, considering their pay preference.)
When the "in game" part was brought into question, they then moved on to saying that this distinction is of no consequence. That is just typical political debate douchebaggery: when called on a lie or exaggeration their next move is always to retreat to the argument that said exaggeration was not "the point."
Next came the announcement of the Imperial edition content. And they again flooded the forums this time saying that the Imperial Race would be OP'd and that this is clearly a "paywall" and "pay to win." Putting a race behind a CE bonus is definitely unusual, so the "paywall" argument had some resonance with many people. If they had left it at that, they could have salvaged some of their previously lost credibility.
But their "P2W" argument sort of fell apart when the Imperial racials became known and people noticed there was no "win" to them.... Enter the re-definition of "win" which now emphasizes the horse advantage more.
And the absolutely latest refinement is the outrageous indecency of giving people the option to upgrade to the digital CE after launch...the horror!
Now... long before F2P was anything more than a mostly laughed at Eastern MMO concept (with Turbine's DDO being the only notable Western one) and long before iTunes' "free games" made the P2W concept an acceptable form of separating kids from their money, special digital "collector" editions of MMOs already existed with in game items - typically shitty items (and/or in-game titles) whose usefulness disappeared within hours of playing the game, but they were there.
No one called that "P2W" back in the day mostly because the acronym wasn't in common use. That only happened later after people started noticing that "free" didn't really mean "everything is free" and companies started monetizing anything they could get away with.
We get that some of you guys really, really love the "F2P" model or its refinement,"B2P". But we are also seeing a growing number of people who hate the "in-game" marketing they all use with immersion-breaking convenient links and broadcast ads...whatever... the two camps know each other's positions well. But the future of F2P is now in question - failing to admit even that and predicting that everything will eventually be F2P because that's what happened in the last 5 years are now being questioned by a growing number of people who have seen F2P first hand and don't care for it.
But we also know that the reason F2P fans continue to come here with their silly exaggerations attributing the most hated parts of the F2P system to this game is just a continuation of the same old shit: you wanted this to be F2P and it ain't... boo-frikking-hoo.
You're not going to convert anyone here to the F2P "faith." And some of you with your zeal, do make it sound like a religion.
We're just gamers here looking forward to playing an MMO that has caught our interest... discussing details... making build-plans... speculating about end-game... in short, discussing all the things gamers like to discuss about a game they like. And most of us are fine with the old-fashioned sub model here.
And to be fair, I personally. would not have started a thread with this title because I know who it would attract when it rolls through the front page of this site, and the discussion it would generate. And we've had more than a hundred of these threads here already. This whole F2P vs. P2P issue probably should be a sticky debate topic at "The Pub" just like the "Sandbox vs. Themepark" thread.
So... ESO is P2P, it has Collectors' Editions with better than usual stuff, there is no in-game cash shop, and we like it this way. Now kindly take your half-truths and exaggerations somewhere else.
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There will be a cash shop where you will be able to BUY a playable race, a mount, a pet and a EXP boost item.
And of course account services (very loose definition.... considering Zenimax's moneygrab disposition things could get ugly really fast)
This is not the "explorer pack" that's limited to preorder. This is a "you pay in our shop and you get in game items and gameplay features"
F2P mentality
and FACT 2
every single mmorpg that launched with P2P claimed that they have "no plans to go f2o in the future".
Fact 1, Debunked. The upgrade to imperial addition is like the FFXIV standard edition but in the SE store they allow you to upgrade to Collectors Edition, FFXIV does not have a CASH SHOP and offers this feature, same is true here. Upgrade does not equal cash shop.
Fact 2. They said they have no plans also to go F2P, the reason being was that they feel that P2P (subs) is the best option to allow devs to focus on making updates and expansions and resulting in higher quality content.
What this means, is that if devs have to focus on a CASH SHOP and items to offer, they are not working on the Updates and Expansions instead. So they say this because at this point, they have NO PLANS on putting dev time on the F2P model which offers CASH SHOPS to support and bring in cash.
Does this make a bit more sense now?
Wait does FFXIV sell a playable race too?
If not FACT 1 still 100% valid
FACT2 the point is every single mmorpg that launched P2P claims it's not planning to F2P because they feel p2p will allow for more higher quality, more updates and no paywall.
It's an empty statement. It means NOTHING because we have seen this kind of statements countless times. And it doesn't help the fact that ESO already has paygates for gameplay features (like a F2P game).
Put the focus on the at this point in your post.
Did you expect they would say "Yeah folks, we will switch to f2p in a year or so and right now we will focus on the cash shop"?
Here's another "fact." Ever since the sub model for this game was announced last summer, this forum has been trolled by F2P fans saying that the game would be Box price + Sub + "in-game cash shop." And they always emphasized the "in-game cash shop" part as being the ultimate in greed (ironic, considering their pay preference.)
When the "in game" part was brought into question, they then moved on to saying that this distinction is of no consequence. That is just typical political debate douchebaggery: when called on a lie or exaggeration their next move is always to retreat to the argument that said exaggeration was not "the point."
Next came the announcement of the Imperial edition content. And they again flooded the forums this time saying that the Imperial Race would be OP'd and that this is clearly a "paywall" and "pay to win." Putting a race behind a CE bonus is definitely unusual, so the "paywall" argument had some resonance with many people. If they had left it at that, they could have salvaged some of their previously lost credibility.
But their "P2W" argument sort of fell apart when the Imperial racials became known and people noticed there was no "win" to them.... Enter the re-definition of "win" which now emphasizes the horse advantage more.
And the absolutely latest refinement is the outrageous indecency of giving people the option to upgrade to the digital CE after launch...the horror!
Now... long before F2P was anything more than a mostly laughed at Eastern MMO concept (with Turbine's DDO being the only notable Western one) and long before iTunes' "free games" made the P2W concept an acceptable form of separating kids from their money, special digital "collector" editions of MMOs already existed with in game items - typically shitty items (and/or in-game titles) whose usefulness disappeared within hours of playing the game, but they were there.
No one called that "P2W" back in the day mostly because the acronym wasn't in common use. That only happened later after people started noticing that "free" didn't really mean "everything is free" and companies started monetizing anything they could get away with.
We get that some of you guys really, really love the "F2P" model or its refinement,"B2P". But we are also seeing a growing number of people who hate the "in-game" marketing they all use with immersion-breaking convenient links and broadcast ads...whatever... the two camps know each other's positions well. But the future of F2P is now in question - failing to admit even that and predicting that everything will eventually be F2P because that's what happened in the last 5 years are now being questioned by a growing number of people who have seen F2P first hand and don't care for it.
But we also know that the reason F2P fans continue to come here with their silly exaggerations attributing the most hated parts of the F2P system to this game is just a continuation of the same old shit: you wanted this to be F2P and it ain't... boo-frikking-hoo.
You're not going to convert anyone here to the F2P "faith." And some of you with your zeal, do make it sound like a religion.
We're just gamers here looking forward to playing an MMO that has caught our interest... discussing details... making build-plans... speculating about end-game... in short, discussing all the things gamers like to discuss about a game they like. And most of us are fine with the old-fashioned sub model here.
And to be fair, I personally. would not have started a thread with this title because I know who it would attract when it rolls through the front page of this site, and the discussion it would generate. And we've had more than a hundred of these threads here already. This whole F2P vs. P2P issue probably should be a sticky debate topic at "The Pub" just like the "Sandbox vs. Themepark" thread.
So... ESO is P2P, it has Collectors' Editions with better than usual stuff, there is no in-game cash shop, and we like it this way. Now kindly take your half-truths and exaggerations somewhere else.
We will certainly get those who dislike TESO simply because it is not free to play. This is rather ironic as those same people will list former P2P/B2P MMOs as their now favourite F2P MMO. The fact is that without MMOs launching as P2P the whole genre would take a quality hit.
Doomsayers are already predicting ESO will go F2P in a year or two, maybe they are right, but I don't care. Any MMO struggles to keep players after a year these days, who says I will want to be playing after that? Meanwhile I get to enjoy the game without the company of those who contribute nothing to a MMO.
If you consider selling a race separately, even if part of a CE, to be a cash shop then ESO does have a cash shop. If not then ESO doesn't have a cash shop. It's that easy.
For me, I consider it a cash shop deal and I'm looking for a P2P game, not a P2P + cash shop game and as such I'll look elsewhere. Everyone else should decide for themselves but it should be obvious that, given continual discussion on the subject, it's not nearly as black and white as many try to make it appear.
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Originally posted by Renoaku Yeah I don't trust that the game won't go F2P shortly after launch.
Look at TERA, I purchased collectors edition paid over $100 for a game that I didn't even play for 8 hours before saying im done because of the UI Font Size bug on smaller monitors.
On top of this I was told that the game would not be pay 2 enjoy or other words charge for cosmetic items but shortly after game Goes F2P and here we go Cash Shop Pay 2 Enjoy.
I think the same thing is going to happen with ESO players will play it for a month or two if that then they will be like This game sucks, now I could be wrong but based on my Beta experience with the game the game is bad lacked all the content I would want to see in a 2014 MMO Release, and locked character classes rather than going sand-box based allowing players to develop their own unique race story line & play all classes on a single character.
ESO is a financial success and an existing IP. ESO has a better chance of NOT going free to play.
Tera was a new IP and hardly had support. There were no "Tera" related games before. So it was no suprise that Tera went free to play.
Also if you want the multiple classes in a game for one character, go play Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn.
NOBODY EVER EVER SAID THIS GAME WAS A SANDBOX.
And remember when Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn launched, people like you were saying the same thing. Free to play in a couple months my ass. The game has 2 million + subscribers and still growing.
So far this is one of the dumbest topics I have seen so far.
CHECK YOUR FACTS!
EDIT : your link is no longer valid. Does not work.
EDIT 2 : I scoured Gamespot and can not find the artical you are talking about.
people complaining about things happening that may never happen.
paranoia....SMH
A company doing exactly what people predicted they would isnt paranoia its proof by inspection.
So when the first update also adds stuff to the cash shop then what will people say? I guess as long as it isnt blatant pay to win items the fans will still defend it.
But I suspect that first update around the second week of May will offer the unlock any race to any alliance feature. Something that was supposed to be a 'pre order perk'.
People arent complaining about stuff that might not happen they have plenty of stuff ZoS has already done they can complain about.
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I asume you never played a f2p game... In the end they are just as expensive and for many even more expensive as subbed games...
the only advantage of a f2p game is the fact that you can easilly return to them after a longer periode of absence... But as soon as you get really deep intoo the game, you will be spending money...
In the end, when subs drop to low... F2p is a way of nreviving a game. But with good management and enough content to keep people busy it may take years beforee such a step is needed. And people only seem to look at the PC market with their assumptions, but seem to forget that on consoles there is not really competition for the game, and this gives the gamme a huge advantage...
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Whether or not the go F2P or stay on the P2P model is largely down to us the consumer. IF enough of us are willing to pay and to keep paying then the P2P model will remain. This will largely depend on how well ESO can manage its retention can it keep us interested enough to keep paying monthly.
They need to keep new content coming in ahead of the leveling curve so that by the time the majority of players have hit the "end game" they have something in place to keep our attention.
If they fail at this and the game revenue drops below what ever threshold is set to make it profitable then and only then will they do as many others have done and go to the f2p model.
I for one hope that there is enough content to keep us invested for some time to come.
Fact
Here's another "fact." Ever since the sub model for this game was announced last summer, this forum has been trolled by F2P fans saying that the game would be Box price + Sub + "in-game cash shop." And they always emphasized the "in-game cash shop" part as being the ultimate in greed (ironic, considering their pay preference.)
When the "in game" part was brought into question, they then moved on to saying that this distinction is of no consequence. That is just typical political debate douchebaggery: when called on a lie or exaggeration their next move is always to retreat to the argument that said exaggeration was not "the point."
Next came the announcement of the Imperial edition content. And they again flooded the forums this time saying that the Imperial Race would be OP'd and that this is clearly a "paywall" and "pay to win." Putting a race behind a CE bonus is definitely unusual, so the "paywall" argument had some resonance with many people. If they had left it at that, they could have salvaged some of their previously lost credibility.
But their "P2W" argument sort of fell apart when the Imperial racials became known and people noticed there was no "win" to them.... Enter the re-definition of "win" which now emphasizes the horse advantage more.
And the absolutely latest refinement is the outrageous indecency of giving people the option to upgrade to the digital CE after launch...the horror!
Now... long before F2P was anything more than a mostly laughed at Eastern MMO concept (with Turbine's DDO being the only notable Western one) and long before iTunes' "free games" made the P2W concept an acceptable form of separating kids from their money, special digital "collector" editions of MMOs already existed with in game items - typically shitty items (and/or in-game titles) whose usefulness disappeared within hours of playing the game, but they were there.
No one called that "P2W" back in the day mostly because the acronym wasn't in common use. That only happened later after people started noticing that "free" didn't really mean "everything is free" and companies started monetizing anything they could get away with.
We get that some of you guys really, really love the "F2P" model or its refinement,"B2P". But we are also seeing a growing number of people who hate the "in-game" marketing they all use with immersion-breaking convenient links and broadcast ads...whatever... the two camps know each other's positions well. But the future of F2P is now in question - failing to admit even that and predicting that everything will eventually be F2P because that's what happened in the last 5 years are now being questioned by a growing number of people who have seen F2P first hand and don't care for it.
But we also know that the reason F2P fans continue to come here with their silly exaggerations attributing the most hated parts of the F2P system to this game is just a continuation of the same old shit: you wanted this to be F2P and it ain't... boo-frikking-hoo.
You're not going to convert anyone here to the F2P "faith." And some of you with your zeal, do make it sound like a religion.
We're just gamers here looking forward to playing an MMO that has caught our interest... discussing details... making build-plans... speculating about end-game... in short, discussing all the things gamers like to discuss about a game they like. And most of us are fine with the old-fashioned sub model here.
And to be fair, I personally. would not have started a thread with this title because I know who it would attract when it rolls through the front page of this site, and the discussion it would generate. And we've had more than a hundred of these threads here already. This whole F2P vs. P2P issue probably should be a sticky debate topic at "The Pub" just like the "Sandbox vs. Themepark" thread.
So... ESO is P2P, it has Collectors' Editions with better than usual stuff, there is no in-game cash shop, and we like it this way. Now kindly take your half-truths and exaggerations somewhere else.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
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The amount of times they have said that this game can absolutely not go free to play that there is no possibility of it when they announce it in 6 months or more which they will do eventually that's a fact those statements are gonna hurt them even more.
Haven't they already done that though with the imperial race box debacle ?
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QFT. How many times do developers have to pull this crap before people start recognizing the pattern?
Again, it's a collector's edition. You can still buy Heart of the Swarm Collector's Editions. What, exactly, is the deal?
Fact 1, Debunked. The upgrade to imperial addition is like the FFXIV standard edition but in the SE store they allow you to upgrade to Collectors Edition, FFXIV does not have a CASH SHOP and offers this feature, same is true here. Upgrade does not equal cash shop.
Fact 2. They said they have no plans also to go F2P, the reason being was that they feel that P2P (subs) is the best option to allow devs to focus on making updates and expansions and resulting in higher quality content.
What this means, is that if devs have to focus on a CASH SHOP and items to offer, they are not working on the Updates and Expansions instead. So they say this because at this point, they have NO PLANS on putting dev time on the F2P model which offers CASH SHOPS to support and bring in cash.
Does this make a bit more sense now?
This thread looks pretty much as casual day in mental institution. You ask someone why are you shouting that you are Ronald Regan. From what I have seen in your passport you are John Smith.
And he answers. It doesn’t mean anything. Look around. Those Napoleon, Lennon and Peter Pan have also wrong names in their passports!
Good luck talking to them any further!
Hey they just legalized gay marriage in Illinois, you game? Seriously, if we get anymore in sync, we'll be part of the reunion:
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Wait does FFXIV sell a playable race too?
If not FACT 1 still 100% valid
FACT2 the point is every single mmorpg that launched P2P claims it's not planning to F2P because they feel p2p will allow for more higher quality, more updates and no paywall.
It's an empty statement. It means NOTHING because we have seen this kind of statements countless times. And it doesn't help the fact that ESO already has paygates for gameplay features (like a F2P game).
Put the focus on the at this point in your post.
Did you expect they would say "Yeah folks, we will switch to f2p in a year or so and right now we will focus on the cash shop"?
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We will certainly get those who dislike TESO simply because it is not free to play. This is rather ironic as those same people will list former P2P/B2P MMOs as their now favourite F2P MMO. The fact is that without MMOs launching as P2P the whole genre would take a quality hit.
Doomsayers are already predicting ESO will go F2P in a year or two, maybe they are right, but I don't care. Any MMO struggles to keep players after a year these days, who says I will want to be playing after that? Meanwhile I get to enjoy the game without the company of those who contribute nothing to a MMO.
Sigh...
This topic really is very simple.
If you consider selling a race separately, even if part of a CE, to be a cash shop then ESO does have a cash shop. If not then ESO doesn't have a cash shop. It's that easy.
For me, I consider it a cash shop deal and I'm looking for a P2P game, not a P2P + cash shop game and as such I'll look elsewhere. Everyone else should decide for themselves but it should be obvious that, given continual discussion on the subject, it's not nearly as black and white as many try to make it appear.
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I knew someone was going to bring this back up! Oh how I love you MMORPG.com
lol yeah.
And to think the OP wanted this stickied. Ahh well, not really his fault ESO did a 180, but still funny never the less.
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ESO is a financial success and an existing IP. ESO has a better chance of NOT going free to play.
Tera was a new IP and hardly had support. There were no "Tera" related games before. So it was no suprise that Tera went free to play.
Also if you want the multiple classes in a game for one character, go play Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn.
NOBODY EVER EVER SAID THIS GAME WAS A SANDBOX.
And remember when Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn launched, people like you were saying the same thing. Free to play in a couple months my ass. The game has 2 million + subscribers and still growing.
So far this is one of the dumbest topics I have seen so far.
CHECK YOUR FACTS!
EDIT : your link is no longer valid. Does not work.
EDIT 2 : I scoured Gamespot and can not find the artical you are talking about.
people complaining about things happening that may never happen.
paranoia....SMH
A company doing exactly what people predicted they would isnt paranoia its proof by inspection.
So when the first update also adds stuff to the cash shop then what will people say? I guess as long as it isnt blatant pay to win items the fans will still defend it.
But I suspect that first update around the second week of May will offer the unlock any race to any alliance feature. Something that was supposed to be a 'pre order perk'.
People arent complaining about stuff that might not happen they have plenty of stuff ZoS has already done they can complain about.