I canceled my sub 3 weeks after launch. Do I win? In seriousness though, I still won't re-sub, specially since there is no need. I wont buy cosmetics or extras from their cash shop either. I have never bought anything from GW2's or TSW's as well so I see no need to do it for ESO.
I'm still curious what their cash shop is actually going to have in it when they launch. I know they listed what those items are, for now. But we all know that ZOS will say one thing, and do another.
I think you can safely assume that this will be a lengthy "for now." The last thing they need now is bad PR from the media if they stick dodgy shit in the shop... while they're trying to sell console boxes.
A lot of us were told that we could safely assume that subscriptions weren't going away as well. Not yours or my fault that ZOS changed their mind but I wouldn't put it past them. I mean, you are right that it could lead to bad press, possibly. However the shop hasn't launched yet so I would guess changes could still happen, such as tradable items bought from the cash shop. On the other hand, they might keep a more of a LOTRO approach with their cash shop which is nothing transferable, but there are literally thousands of little knick-knack services, cosmetics, mounts, quest packs, and expansions and they are always pointing you to their cash shop in game by teasing you with 10-15 TP earned here and there.
Originally posted by Salute You know how many ppl bought the game (including me) since yesterday and how many more will do it in the next few days/weeks? The price was 8-9 euros in keyshops and now either its out of stock, or the price is over than 100% up. Those ppl payed the game and most of them will pay the month until it goes B2P. Many of them ofc will keep the sub after that and many more will buy from the shop. Guilds will find ppl easier, ingame economy will get better and campaign pop will rise a lot. Imho and i m not a TESO fanboy at all, both TESO and players will get a lot benefits from this transition.
I agree. This is a good move for ZOS though the taste of shadiness is still going to linger for a while for some. For me though it's no big deal. I already paid for the price of entry and I will still buy the next Elder Scrolls game when it releases. Hear that Todd Howard! Hurry Up (but take your time and make it good of course)!
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi explain how the core content of the game has changed ?
Often cash shop games send updates to the cash shop to buy like DCUO over just a patch everyone just gets. Often that leads to players not on the same page, people asking each other who has access to what content or dungeon. Often buying the content in the cash shop works out less then a sub fee. Some see this as a bad thing and other see it as awesome. Depends on how you look at it. I would like to see some details on what type of cash shop ESO will have. Mounts and skins or content and top tier items?
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi explain how the core content of the game has changed ?
Often cash shop games send updates to the cash shop to buy like DCUO over just a patch everyone just gets. Often that leads to players not on the same page, people asking each other who has access to what content or dungeon. Often buying the content in the cash shop works out less then a sub fee. Some see this as a bad thing and other see it as awesome. Depends on how you look at it. I would like to see some details on what type of cash shop ESO will have. Mounts and skins or content and top tier items?
With B2P that is often not the case, GW1 & 2 don't sell content as such as example. Heck, TERA is completely F2P and still don't do that (or at least didn't when I was playing it).
But I understand OP, when you don't know what Zenimax will do it might not be worth putting the money and time in tha game until you know what actually will happen. And it is also a marker that they should have gotten input from the players before deciding something like this.
If they handle this well it will be a good thing for everyone, but if they get greedy they might turn the entire game FUBAR.
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Originally posted by Dren_Utogi explain how the core content of the game has changed ?
Often cash shop games send updates to the cash shop to buy like DCUO over just a patch everyone just gets. Often that leads to players not on the same page, people asking each other who has access to what content or dungeon. Often buying the content in the cash shop works out less then a sub fee. Some see this as a bad thing and other see it as awesome. Depends on how you look at it. I would like to see some details on what type of cash shop ESO will have. Mounts and skins or content and top tier items?
With B2P that is often not the case, GW1 & 2 don't sell content as such as example. Heck, TERA is completely F2P and still don't do that (or at least didn't when I was playing it).
But I understand OP, when you don't know what Zenimax will do it might not be worth putting the money and time in tha game until you know what actually will happen. And it is also a marker that they should have gotten input from the players before deciding something like this.
If they handle this well it will be a good thing for everyone, but if they get greedy they might turn the entire game FUBAR.
Even sometimes cash shop items that are not P2W can be mistaken as such and tick people off. Like Rifts gear you can by to skip dungeons and just right into Tier 1 Raiding. Or H1Z1s Air Drop, if you read the system you would see its an event that no one knows the out come. Cash shops are not an easy balance of making money and keeping gamers feeling ok. No matter what they do, they will lose some gamers over it. Even if its just mounts and skins.
I canceled my sub as well, been subbed since Nov 2013. There's too much change coming. I don't see why I should pay a sub for the next couple of months if it's going to be free to play anyway. Once all the changes are in, 1.6, consoles, Dark Brotherhood, Thieve's Guild, Champion System, Justice System, cash shop, etc, etc, I'll check back on it.
I actually prefer games that give you an option to monthly subscription and they have other added payment schemes. This way I can choose but in ESO if you are subbed do you get free access to the DLC too or do you have to buy that separately ?
Originally posted by olepi I canceled my sub as well, been subbed since Nov 2013. There's too much change coming. I don't see why I should pay a sub for the next couple of months if it's going to be free to play anyway. Once all the changes are in, 1.6, consoles, Dark Brotherhood, Thieve's Guild, Champion System, Justice System, cash shop, etc, etc, I'll check back on it.
Originally posted by jircris i will keep subing because i enjoy the game, but this is great news for friends of mine who cant sub due to financial issues. WOO MORE GUILDIES!
That's a great way to look at it
Agree here, What the elitist are afraid of is the cash shop having play to win items in it. We will just have to wait and see on that. But i think B2P is the way to go for any mmo now.
I canceled my sub 3 weeks after launch. Do I win? In seriousness though, I still won't re-sub, specially since there is no need. I wont buy cosmetics or extras from their cash shop either. I have never bought anything from GW2's or TSW's as well so I see no need to do it for ESO.
I'm still curious what their cash shop is actually going to have in it when they launch. I know they listed what those items are, for now. But we all know that ZOS will say one thing, and do another.
I think you can safely assume that this will be a lengthy "for now." The last thing they need now is bad PR from the media if they stick dodgy shit in the shop... while they're trying to sell console boxes.
A lot of us were told that we could safely assume that subscriptions weren't going away as well. Not yours or my fault that ZOS changed their mind but I wouldn't put it past them. I mean, you are right that it could lead to bad press, possibly. However the shop hasn't launched yet so I would guess changes could still happen, such as tradable items bought from the cash shop. On the other hand, they might keep a more of a LOTRO approach with their cash shop which is nothing transferable, but there are literally thousands of little knick-knack services, cosmetics, mounts, quest packs, and expansions and they are always pointing you to their cash shop in game by teasing you with 10-15 TP earned here and there.
Well... I'm on the record here as not trusting what some people over @ ZOS say, There's not a lot of transparency and I get shifty suit vibes whenever I see them interviewed. So I don't blame anyone for being skeptical.
And they already started a thread in the official forums asking players what they would like to see in the cash shop, "we're just doing what you guys (meaning the one post they liked ) said you wanted" so...
But if you look closely at what they announced today, it looks like a total clone of the TSW model... which is a polar opposite to the GW2 B2P model (currency exchange allowing cash for gold, lock boxes, etc.)
As I said in another thread, if the console sales go well, enough people go for the optional subs and DLC sells well, the cash shop could stay relatively the same as announced.
As a matter of fact, watching changes to the cash shop after June will probably be the best indicator of how well the game is doing. Stays the same? = doing well. Changes to a more predatory model? = ain't doing so well.
As to other games like LOTRO, Rift and SWTOR... they went full-bore F2P, not B2P - it's not just semantics, there is a difference.. GW2 and TSW are the only other relevant MMOS (as far as I'm aware) for comparison purposes.
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As to other games like LOTRO, Rift and SWTOR... they went full-bore F2P, not B2P - it's not just semantics, there is a difference.. GW2 and TSW are the only other relevant MMOS (as far as I'm aware) for comparison purposes.
The reason I brought up LOTRO is becuase even though it is f2p, from knowing what their cash shop is since I'm a lifetime subscriber holder (first and only time I will ever do that), they sound similar. LOTRO also has a sub option that gives passive exp bonuses, some other minor perks, plus an allowance of 500 TP per month that can only be spent in the cash shop and all of the cash shop items are character, or sometimes account, bound. Those cash shop items and TP are not transferable/tradable. Just like ESO crowns. So the only difference I see between the two is the up front cost of the box. After that though, nearly the same. That's all.
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus I am off now, playing other games till 17th of March, if they dont want my subscription money, i will make other use of it And by 17th of March, we will see where the game leads us Anyone else walking this route?
when i come back i'm going to pay the optional sub anyways, i'm waiting for the patch i couldn't care less about no sub.
If free to play and cash shops are this bad for people, then I guess thos epeople shouldnt be playing mmos anymore.
Micro transacion is more profitable then any other sub model.
Get over the elitism and move on to a new genre , because for the large part of the old fashioned player, mmos arent for you anymore.
Sk many bitch and moan about cash shops, but when they HAD the games that didnt havecash shops , had all of everything everyone wanted, no one played them. SO please just stop being a trruly oxymoronic community.
MOVE ON .
So let me see, we supported the genre since Ultima Online, have supported it through tons of changes, and now that we are voicing our discontent with this you trash us and call US elitist?
WHat makes us elitists for thinking sub is the better model for MMO's? Why is your opinion on the matter any less elitists than ours? This is a ridiculous conversation, period. We feel the sub model is better and we are speaking with our wallets and not supporting the game due to the choice we disagree with. Simple as that. Why you have to throw in an insult about it just shows how juvenile you all are.
Keeping my sub and will see what happens with the cash shop. I know it's been stated what will be in the cash shop, but things can change. I'm looking forward to several instances of RVR and it being slam full of people!
I'm happy they at least went B2P, it leads me to believe that it won't be complete F2P havoc, fingers crossed, I could be wrong.
At the moment though, there is no better game, in my opinion. I'm very happy with my rotation of ESO, SWTOR, and Divinity Original Sin.
Originally posted by Viper482 WHat makes us elitists for thinking sub is the better model for MMO's? Why is your opinion on the matter any less elitists than ours? This is a ridiculous conversation, period. We feel the sub model is better and we are speaking with our wallets and not supporting the game due to the choice we disagree with. Simple as that. Why you have to throw in an insult about it just shows how juvenile you all are.
Clearly you either never read any posts from P2P advocates or just playing ignorant. What makes these people elitist is the rampant attitude of these people towards anyone that doesn't agree with them.
I've seen the words "freeloader" ,"scrubs" ," poor people" and I even saw someone call these people "cockroaches" It's like these P2P people have to dehumanize other people to support their weak ass argument.
So yeah , people who are rabid supporters of P2P are elitist just for the mere fact of talking down to others because they don't agree with their view point.
Originally posted by olepi I canceled my sub as well, been subbed since Nov 2013. There's too much change coming. I don't see why I should pay a sub for the next couple of months if it's going to be free to play anyway. Once all the changes are in, 1.6, consoles, Dark Brotherhood, Thieve's Guild, Champion System, Justice System, cash shop, etc, etc, I'll check back on it.
Thought the game came out in 2014?
Sorry, meant I had an active account since Nov 2013; I started the sub when it launched. I started beta testing ESO in July 2013.
Originally posted by jircris i will keep subing because i enjoy the game, but this is great news for friends of mine who cant sub due to financial issues. WOO MORE GUILDIES!
That's a great way to look at it
Agree here, What the elitist are afraid of is the cash shop having play to win items in it. We will just have to wait and see on that. But i think B2P is the way to go for any mmo now.
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what happens when all mmos are b2p or f2p? youll be all alone down the road kickin rocks crying that no one will take your money?
i see most if not all mmo's doing this..release / buy box or digital / pay rate for a year or 2 / move to f2p,b2p / add cash shops
belive or not cash shops make more money than that monthly fee for some games because of the lower pop. on shards if the cs is regularly updated..all cash shop are not bad look at gw2 ..hell even greedy ass wow has a sort of cash shop and is double dipping
Originally posted by kitarad I actually prefer games that give you an option to monthly subscription and they have other added payment schemes. This way I can choose but in ESO if you are subbed do you get free access to the DLC too or do you have to buy that separately ?
" Elder Scrolls Online is ditching its subscription model in favor of a model more akin to Guild Wars 2. " So, if you have played GW2 it will be something like that with no monthly payment.
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Originally posted by Viper482 WHat makes us elitists for thinking sub is the better model for MMO's? Why is your opinion on the matter any less elitists than ours? This is a ridiculous conversation, period. We feel the sub model is better and we are speaking with our wallets and not supporting the game due to the choice we disagree with. Simple as that. Why you have to throw in an insult about it just shows how juvenile you all are.
Clearly you either never read any posts from P2P advocates or just playing ignorant. What makes these people elitist is the rampant attitude of these people towards anyone that doesn't agree with them.
I've seen the words "freeloader" ,"scrubs" ," poor people" and I even saw someone call these people "cockroaches" It's like these P2P people have to dehumanize other people to support their weak ass argument.
So yeah , people who are rabid supporters of P2P are elitist just for the mere fact of talking down to others because they don't agree with their view point.
So you dont like the P2P crowd because they call F2P and B2P group names and you think they are "elitist"? Are you not doing the same thing you just claim to hate?
Today I returned to SWTOR and I'm probably going to check this game out again tomorrow since I have my free 30 days.
ESO goes buy to play, no more subscriptions.
Yes it is going Buy to Play, but it is with an optional subscription. They are not removing the subscription option, just changing it to meet the changes of the console launch. They also rebranded the game The Elder Scrolls Online - Tamriel Unlimited.
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Oh, yeah idk. I guess I'll have to see what they sell in the cash shop or whatever.
Often cash shop games send updates to the cash shop to buy like DCUO over just a patch everyone just gets. Often that leads to players not on the same page, people asking each other who has access to what content or dungeon. Often buying the content in the cash shop works out less then a sub fee. Some see this as a bad thing and other see it as awesome. Depends on how you look at it. I would like to see some details on what type of cash shop ESO will have. Mounts and skins or content and top tier items?
With B2P that is often not the case, GW1 & 2 don't sell content as such as example. Heck, TERA is completely F2P and still don't do that (or at least didn't when I was playing it).
But I understand OP, when you don't know what Zenimax will do it might not be worth putting the money and time in tha game until you know what actually will happen. And it is also a marker that they should have gotten input from the players before deciding something like this.
If they handle this well it will be a good thing for everyone, but if they get greedy they might turn the entire game FUBAR.
Well... the haystore down the street said they were switching to gasoline and are no longer supporting horses, only automobiles.
Guess I'm going to start walking.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
Even sometimes cash shop items that are not P2W can be mistaken as such and tick people off. Like Rifts gear you can by to skip dungeons and just right into Tier 1 Raiding. Or H1Z1s Air Drop, if you read the system you would see its an event that no one knows the out come. Cash shops are not an easy balance of making money and keeping gamers feeling ok. No matter what they do, they will lose some gamers over it. Even if its just mounts and skins.
Yep. The taverns got rid of there hitching posts too; and all the inns have torn down their stables...
It's a conspiracy of damned horse haters!!!
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Thought the game came out in 2014?
Agree here, What the elitist are afraid of is the cash shop having play to win items in it. We will just have to wait and see on that. But i think B2P is the way to go for any mmo now.
Well... I'm on the record here as not trusting what some people over @ ZOS say, There's not a lot of transparency and I get shifty suit vibes whenever I see them interviewed. So I don't blame anyone for being skeptical.
And they already started a thread in the official forums asking players what they would like to see in the cash shop, "we're just doing what you guys (meaning the one post they liked
) said you wanted" so...
But if you look closely at what they announced today, it looks like a total clone of the TSW model... which is a polar opposite to the GW2 B2P model (currency exchange allowing cash for gold, lock boxes, etc.)
As I said in another thread, if the console sales go well, enough people go for the optional subs and DLC sells well, the cash shop could stay relatively the same as announced.
As a matter of fact, watching changes to the cash shop after June will probably be the best indicator of how well the game is doing. Stays the same? = doing well. Changes to a more predatory model? = ain't doing so well.
As to other games like LOTRO, Rift and SWTOR... they went full-bore F2P, not B2P - it's not just semantics, there is a difference.. GW2 and TSW are the only other relevant MMOS (as far as I'm aware) for comparison purposes.
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The reason I brought up LOTRO is becuase even though it is f2p, from knowing what their cash shop is since I'm a lifetime subscriber holder (first and only time I will ever do that), they sound similar. LOTRO also has a sub option that gives passive exp bonuses, some other minor perks, plus an allowance of 500 TP per month that can only be spent in the cash shop and all of the cash shop items are character, or sometimes account, bound. Those cash shop items and TP are not transferable/tradable. Just like ESO crowns. So the only difference I see between the two is the up front cost of the box. After that though, nearly the same. That's all.
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when i come back i'm going to pay the optional sub anyways, i'm waiting for the patch i couldn't care less about no sub.
So let me see, we supported the genre since Ultima Online, have supported it through tons of changes, and now that we are voicing our discontent with this you trash us and call US elitist?
Keeping my sub and will see what happens with the cash shop. I know it's been stated what will be in the cash shop, but things can change. I'm looking forward to several instances of RVR and it being slam full of people!
I'm happy they at least went B2P, it leads me to believe that it won't be complete F2P havoc, fingers crossed, I could be wrong.
At the moment though, there is no better game, in my opinion. I'm very happy with my rotation of ESO, SWTOR, and Divinity Original Sin.
Clearly you either never read any posts from P2P advocates or just playing ignorant. What makes these people elitist is the rampant attitude of these people towards anyone that doesn't agree with them.
I've seen the words "freeloader" ,"scrubs" ," poor people" and I even saw someone call these people "cockroaches" It's like these P2P people have to dehumanize other people to support their weak ass argument.
So yeah , people who are rabid supporters of P2P are elitist just for the mere fact of talking down to others because they don't agree with their view point.
This could end up being very interesting.
Sorry, meant I had an active account since Nov 2013; I started the sub when it launched. I started beta testing ESO in July 2013.
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all cash shops are not bad lol
what happens when all mmos are b2p or f2p? youll be all alone down the road kickin rocks crying that no one will take your money?
i see most if not all mmo's doing this..release / buy box or digital / pay rate for a year or 2 / move to f2p,b2p / add cash shops
belive or not cash shops make more money than that monthly fee for some games because of the lower pop. on shards if the cs is regularly updated..all cash shop are not bad look at gw2 ..hell even greedy ass wow has a sort of cash shop and is double dipping
" Elder Scrolls Online is ditching its subscription model in favor of a model more akin to Guild Wars 2. " So, if you have played GW2 it will be something like that with no monthly payment.
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I re-subbed because of this news. Best thing to happen to the game...
So you dont like the P2P crowd because they call F2P and B2P group names and you think they are "elitist"? Are you not doing the same thing you just claim to hate?
Yes it is going Buy to Play, but it is with an optional subscription. They are not removing the subscription option, just changing it to meet the changes of the console launch. They also rebranded the game The Elder Scrolls Online - Tamriel Unlimited.