Couple of questions: How is 10s performance compared to 7? Is the POS 8 interface still a default part of the OS? Does 10 feel like a clunky ass tablet or phone OS when you try to do anything significant, or did they make it feel like what its supposed to be, a fully fledged PC desktop OS?
-performance is great, especially the booting is fast
-Metro (the tiles interface) is still there, but no longer part of the default desktop, the only way you get to metro is if you specifically do it on purpose.
-you have a start button by default now
-pushing the windows keyboard key by default activates your start menu, like in windows 7
-you see tiles on many windows 10 previews....but you can remove the tiles completely, truth be told, I like them, they're nice to have, you can completely customize them, drag in there whatever you want
That pretty much answers all of my questions, except is there a difference between the upgrade version and their retail version? There has always been a distinction between these two versions, but it simply might have been restraints on what versions you can upgrade from.
Also, once you upgrade to 10 will you be able to use that license if you choose to throw in some new hardware and reinstall your OS or do you need to buy a retail copy to accomplish that? I can reinstall 7 as many times as I want essentially, but I don't know how that works when you use an upgrade version.
Originally posted by Phry Originally posted by NanfoodleOriginally posted by Kiyoris I see everything MSFT trying to do to make Windows 10 relevant being converted to Linux+.
Yes, Linux with it's less than 1% marketshare on the desktop is a threat to Windows..................... What games are you going to play on Linux. Minesweeper? All of the Linux distros combined can't even beat windows VISTA in marketshare. Linux on desktop is a joke. With the new game streaming tech Linux can be a real option for gaming. You can stream any game from any OS all on any device. Even console games. Only problem is the desktop side of things it still has limited support. Options are few and most people who PC game use their PCs for more then that. With Microsoft moving to game streaming, companies like SteamOS should be worried more then the other way around. There is some indication however that usage of Linux is expanding, albeit slowly, though without some real support from games developers, its unlikely to achieve any kind of 'critical mass', there is a degree of support on Steam for Linux, but it's still a long way from being 'popular'.
I've been trying to game on Arch Linux for a couple of months now even with steam its abit of a mixed bag.
Native Left4Dead 2 for example runs pretty well out of the box but noware near the performance of a windows machine. Valve has stated that they have dumped a truckload of cash trying create parity with the source engine for windows but still cannot get there entirely. They even outsouced people to fix nvida's linux drivers.
So while mainstream gaming on linux is gaining some traction, Its still an up hill techncial battle even with someone like valve throwing truckloads of cash at the problem.
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How is Windows 10 with games currently? What about those who reformat their computer once or twice a year? Will the license cover a reinstall beyond say 3 times if no hardware has changed?
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Originally posted by LoneGreyWolf How is Windows 10 with games currently? What about those who reformat their computer once or twice a year? Will the license cover a reinstall beyond say 3 times if no hardware has changed?
Performance in the current available build is about equivlent because they have not changed much of the kernel it would seem... build 10,000 might be another story however...
Originally posted by Alber_gamer What about Vista? Also gets free upgrade?
Nope.
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Originally posted by LoneGreyWolf How is Windows 10 with games currently? What about those who reformat their computer once or twice a year? Will the license cover a reinstall beyond say 3 times if no hardware has changed?
Performance in the current available build is about equivlent because they have not changed much of the kernel it would seem... build 10,000 might be another story however...
Equivalent to Win7?
I was thinking of checking out Win10 last week when I did a reformat, but decided not to as I wasn't sure about how it would do with my games or peripherals.
sure ill take a free upgrade from windows 7 to 10, i still have my W7 disc if i have to go back. A brand new shiny windows for free sounds shady, but if there isnt a catch ill take it.
Originally posted by rojoArcueid sure ill take a free upgrade from windows 7 to 10, i still have my W7 disc if i have to go back. A brand new shiny windows for free sounds shady, but if there isnt a catch ill take it.
Windows users are spread all over the place right now. They want a good bulk of them using Windows 10 so software devs will start supporting their OS. Trust me its good for us and MS know this will make them more money as well.
Originally posted by rojoArcueid sure ill take a free upgrade from windows 7 to 10, i still have my W7 disc if i have to go back. A brand new shiny windows for free sounds shady, but if there isnt a catch ill take it.
Windows users are spread all over the place right now. They want a good bulk of them using Windows 10 so software devs will start supporting their OS. Trust me its good for us and MS know this will make them more money as well.
Al they want is push their Windows 10 exclusive DirectX. They know they will get into trouble if they do not offer free upgrades because people do not like to upgrade a workign system and developers will not develop on a more complex and platform locked version of DirectX if the majority still uses Windows 7.
Will this be good? I reserve my judgement until windows 10 is released.
Ok watched the video, or the parts that didn't make me fall asleep. Doesn't look like they did anything special really. Programs could do half the stuff they have added without making a new OS. The multiple desktop thing is cool but honestly its just making windows like it always has.
If you have windows 7, 8 or 8.1, you get a free upgrade to Windows 10.
I have windows 10 on my pc atm, the preview, it's much better than 8, and it has a propr start screen .
What do you think of all of this.
I like it, only downside is that Microsoft is pushing everyone to go into the cloud with it.
I like to have my private files stored local and where I can access them whenever I want, not on some server on the other side of the world, trusting some stranger not to abuse that or let others hack into it.
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I like it, only downside is that Microsoft is pushing everyone to go into the cloud with it.
I like to have my private files stored local and where I can access them whenever I want, not on some server on the other side of the world, trusting some stranger not to abuse that or let others hack into it.
I really detest 'cloud' storage. I don't really like everything being put into C:users<username>My Documents..., either. The only things I want on the physical boot drive is the operating system and by browser -- stuff that I can reload as needed. Everything else, including temp files, game configuration, text storage, etc., I want to control these. Putting temp files on the boot drive negates the benefit of a RAID device as the boot device. Ideally, my boot drive should be static (no writes), and I could run RAID 1 on that drive (a static operating environment), and RAID 5 on everything else (volatile data devices).
Yes, controlling the locations of all files can be done, but it is a royal pain.
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Originally posted by nbtscan Originally posted by CalmOceansOriginally posted by MisterZebub Couple of questions: How is 10s performance compared to 7? Is the POS 8 interface still a default part of the OS? Does 10 feel like a clunky ass tablet or phone OS when you try to do anything significant, or did they make it feel like what its supposed to be, a fully fledged PC desktop OS?
-performance is great, especially the booting is fast-Metro (the tiles interface) is still there, but no longer part of the default desktop, the only way you get to metro is if you specifically do it on purpose.-you have a start button by default now-pushing the windows keyboard key by default activates your start menu, like in windows 7-you see tiles on many windows 10 previews....but you can remove the tiles completely, truth be told, I like them, they're nice to have, you can completely customize them, drag in there whatever you wantThat pretty much answers all of my questions, except is there a difference between the upgrade version and their retail version? There has always been a distinction between these two versions, but it simply might have been restraints on what versions you can upgrade from.
Also, once you upgrade to 10 will you be able to use that license if you choose to throw in some new hardware and reinstall your OS or do you need to buy a retail copy to accomplish that? I can reinstall 7 as many times as I want essentially, but I don't know how that works when you use an upgrade version.
Upgrade editions usually inherit the license from whatever they are upgrading. Vista was a notable exception, but it was reversed with Win7/8. So if you Upgrade an OEM license, it remains an OEM license.
That being said, Windows 8 (not 8.1) allows for an OEM license to transfer. Windwos 8.1 just cut the price on the non-OEM edition to be almost the same as the OEM edition, so it was presumed you would just get the full license regardless with 8.1.
Originally posted by LoneGreyWolf How is Windows 10 with games currently? What about those who reformat their computer once or twice a year? Will the license cover a reinstall beyond say 3 times if no hardware has changed?
Out of the lots of bad things about UEFI/Secure Boot, one good thing was that if your computer supported it, the Windows license key was stored in the UEFI - you didn't have to enter it manually, and you could format/reinstall essentially as many times as you wanted to.
Even on traditional BIOS, where you have to manually enter your license key, it was perfectly legal to format/reinstall, it's just if Windows Activation detected multiple recent activations of the same key it would trigger for a verification - I've never heard of the verification being denied (even in cases where it definitely did not qualify), it just added a bit of hassle to the process.
I don't know for certain, but I would imagine that Win10 would be in a similar vein to Win8 - UEFI/Secure Boot when it's able, and fall back on manual entry if that isn't available.
Originally posted by JJ82 in its current form, correct. However...Because of GNOME you can install software on it allowing for other uses making it more like a PC. Since its Linux based and can be continually upgraded with newer features and functions it CAN actually eventually replace a desktop for a PC gamer who only uses his desktop for games. Considering there are an estimated 300 million PC gamers worldwide...that's a massive risk to Windows.
With the same logic, home non-gaming computers would have been long replaced with linux or w/e OS.
Neither is happening and won't happen. There is no reason to.
Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by RidelynnOriginally posted by LoneGreyWolfHow is Windows 10 with games currently? What about those who reformat their computer once or twice a year? Will the license cover a reinstall beyond say 3 times if no hardware has changed?
Out of the lots of bad things about UEFI/Secure Boot, one good thing was that if your computer supported it, the Windows license key was stored in the UEFI - you didn't have to enter it manually, and you could format/reinstall essentially as many times as you wanted to.Even on traditional BIOS, where you have to manually enter your license key, it was perfectly legal to format/reinstall, it's just if Windows Activation detected multiple recent activations of the same key it would trigger for a verification - I've never heard of the verification being denied (even in cases where it definitely did not qualify), it just added a bit of hassle to the process.I don't know for certain, but I would imagine that Win10 would be in a similar vein to Win8 - UEFI/Secure Boot when it's able, and fall back on manual entry if that isn't available.It's not even that much of a hassle. You call into the remote activation line, they ask you a couple questions, and it's activated.
I've reformated this Win8.1 box several times now and it's never asked me for remote activation and I've had hardware configuration changes (adding SSDs). They really only seem to care about activation if your CPU and/or mobo changes.
The entire house is getting a mandatory upgrade to 10. I'm not supporting 3 different versions just because. I'll wait a short while for a few patches and then do the upgrade.
The hardest part is definitely typing in that 25-character serial number, and then saying it over the phone, and then getting back like a 50-digit validation code to type in again with it.
Apples last OS upgrade is free so they must have a competition thing going.
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I don't plan on using voice commands, and it wont be useful in the work environment.
I do like the holographic application, but its still in it early stages, so Im not going to be bothered with something that could bug easily. I played enough games, mmos, feel like I have been beta testing for a few decades now.
I see the integration of win 10 with 8 and 7, as a way to cut soending on developing for win 7 and 8, and focus more on stream lining one product.
Maybe that will make win 10 that much better, but since I am using win 7, and I know as great as MS can be at making OS'es, that rushing into a new OS, will most likely face some compatibility issues. So I have to wait, and its the same also with corportations, they wont put a new OS into their grid if it hasnt been tested and integrated with the corporate software.
Which means, as a potential win 10 user, I wont test or most likely enjoy the full benefits any time soon, and I hope MS accounts for people such as myself and offer the same opportunity to jump on win 10 when its fully ready while giving win 7 full support.
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That pretty much answers all of my questions, except is there a difference between the upgrade version and their retail version? There has always been a distinction between these two versions, but it simply might have been restraints on what versions you can upgrade from.
Also, once you upgrade to 10 will you be able to use that license if you choose to throw in some new hardware and reinstall your OS or do you need to buy a retail copy to accomplish that? I can reinstall 7 as many times as I want essentially, but I don't know how that works when you use an upgrade version.
With the new game streaming tech Linux can be a real option for gaming. You can stream any game from any OS all on any device. Even console games. Only problem is the desktop side of things it still has limited support. Options are few and most people who PC game use their PCs for more then that. With Microsoft moving to game streaming, companies like SteamOS should be worried more then the other way around.
There is some indication however that usage of Linux is expanding, albeit slowly, though without some real support from games developers, its unlikely to achieve any kind of 'critical mass', there is a degree of support on Steam for Linux, but it's still a long way from being 'popular'.
I've been trying to game on Arch Linux for a couple of months now even with steam its abit of a mixed bag.
Native Left4Dead 2 for example runs pretty well out of the box but noware near the performance of a windows machine. Valve has stated that they have dumped a truckload of cash trying create parity with the source engine for windows but still cannot get there entirely. They even outsouced people to fix nvida's linux drivers.
So while mainstream gaming on linux is gaining some traction, Its still an up hill techncial battle even with someone like valve throwing truckloads of cash at the problem.
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How is Windows 10 with games currently? What about those who reformat their computer once or twice a year? Will the license cover a reinstall beyond say 3 times if no hardware has changed?
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Nope no free path for Vista. IMO the mess Vista is, I think they should get 10 for free lol
build 10,000 might be another story however... Nope.
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Equivalent to Win7?
I was thinking of checking out Win10 last week when I did a reformat, but decided not to as I wasn't sure about how it would do with my games or peripherals.
Windows users are spread all over the place right now. They want a good bulk of them using Windows 10 so software devs will start supporting their OS. Trust me its good for us and MS know this will make them more money as well.
Al they want is push their Windows 10 exclusive DirectX. They know they will get into trouble if they do not offer free upgrades because people do not like to upgrade a workign system and developers will not develop on a more complex and platform locked version of DirectX if the majority still uses Windows 7.
Will this be good? I reserve my judgement until windows 10 is released.
I like it, only downside is that Microsoft is pushing everyone to go into the cloud with it.
I like to have my private files stored local and where I can access them whenever I want, not on some server on the other side of the world, trusting some stranger not to abuse that or let others hack into it.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I really detest 'cloud' storage. I don't really like everything being put into C:users<username>My Documents..., either. The only things I want on the physical boot drive is the operating system and by browser -- stuff that I can reload as needed. Everything else, including temp files, game configuration, text storage, etc., I want to control these. Putting temp files on the boot drive negates the benefit of a RAID device as the boot device. Ideally, my boot drive should be static (no writes), and I could run RAID 1 on that drive (a static operating environment), and RAID 5 on everything else (volatile data devices).
Yes, controlling the locations of all files can be done, but it is a royal pain.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
That pretty much answers all of my questions, except is there a difference between the upgrade version and their retail version? There has always been a distinction between these two versions, but it simply might have been restraints on what versions you can upgrade from.
Also, once you upgrade to 10 will you be able to use that license if you choose to throw in some new hardware and reinstall your OS or do you need to buy a retail copy to accomplish that? I can reinstall 7 as many times as I want essentially, but I don't know how that works when you use an upgrade version.
Upgrade editions usually inherit the license from whatever they are upgrading. Vista was a notable exception, but it was reversed with Win7/8. So if you Upgrade an OEM license, it remains an OEM license.
That being said, Windows 8 (not 8.1) allows for an OEM license to transfer. Windwos 8.1 just cut the price on the non-OEM edition to be almost the same as the OEM edition, so it was presumed you would just get the full license regardless with 8.1.
Out of the lots of bad things about UEFI/Secure Boot, one good thing was that if your computer supported it, the Windows license key was stored in the UEFI - you didn't have to enter it manually, and you could format/reinstall essentially as many times as you wanted to.
Even on traditional BIOS, where you have to manually enter your license key, it was perfectly legal to format/reinstall, it's just if Windows Activation detected multiple recent activations of the same key it would trigger for a verification - I've never heard of the verification being denied (even in cases where it definitely did not qualify), it just added a bit of hassle to the process.
I don't know for certain, but I would imagine that Win10 would be in a similar vein to Win8 - UEFI/Secure Boot when it's able, and fall back on manual entry if that isn't available.
With the same logic, home non-gaming computers would have been long replaced with linux or w/e OS.
Neither is happening and won't happen. There is no reason to.
It's not even that much of a hassle. You call into the remote activation line, they ask you a couple questions, and it's activated.
I've reformated this Win8.1 box several times now and it's never asked me for remote activation and I've had hardware configuration changes (adding SSDs). They really only seem to care about activation if your CPU and/or mobo changes.
The entire house is getting a mandatory upgrade to 10. I'm not supporting 3 different versions just because. I'll wait a short while for a few patches and then do the upgrade.
The hardest part is definitely typing in that 25-character serial number, and then saying it over the phone, and then getting back like a 50-digit validation code to type in again with it.
Not hard, just frustrating.
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I like windows 7.
I don't plan on using voice commands, and it wont be useful in the work environment.
I do like the holographic application, but its still in it early stages, so Im not going to be bothered with something that could bug easily. I played enough games, mmos, feel like I have been beta testing for a few decades now.
I see the integration of win 10 with 8 and 7, as a way to cut soending on developing for win 7 and 8, and focus more on stream lining one product.
Maybe that will make win 10 that much better, but since I am using win 7, and I know as great as MS can be at making OS'es, that rushing into a new OS, will most likely face some compatibility issues. So I have to wait, and its the same also with corportations, they wont put a new OS into their grid if it hasnt been tested and integrated with the corporate software.
Which means, as a potential win 10 user, I wont test or most likely enjoy the full benefits any time soon, and I hope MS accounts for people such as myself and offer the same opportunity to jump on win 10 when its fully ready while giving win 7 full support.
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IF anyone is still using Vista, they don't deserve a free upgrade.
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