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  • mrBurns210mrBurns210 Member Posts: 114
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by mrBurns210

    Ah yes lets just say it is none.

    Linux 10 years ago vs today, linux is everywhere except the desktop ( it doesn't take a genius to figure out why desktop adoption has been slow). It has massive market share in terms of servers, phones/ tablet, embedded devices.

    I don't think anyone was talking about phones or servers. Linux works well to run Apache or SAP software, but that also doesn't require a working GPU driver or sound drivers or media codecs, or user friendlyness.

    Linux on desktop has nothing to do with someone running Apache on some webserver, they're not the same systems, they have as much user interactivity as a typewriter.

     

    Since linux is open source. The more it gets adopted the better it becomes ( companies tend to start contributing and building out libraries).

    People just want to wake up and there be linux desktops everywhere. Why would that happen? It still isnt ready for the masses but with flavors such as Ubuntu, which itself has millions of users currently, are making using linux even easier. Before Valve gaming on linux was next to nonexistent. Hell steamOS only went into open beta in Dec 2013 and currently is still in beta. So even now gaming on linux take some technical knowledge ( installing steamOS beta isn't for the techno illiterate ).

    Valve is playing the long game and linux has no where to go but up. Personally I am hoping that I can replace w7 in 2020 ( end of its life ) with a linux OS.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Originally posted by mrBurns210
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by mrBurns210

    Ah yes lets just say it is none.

    Linux 10 years ago vs today, linux is everywhere except the desktop ( it doesn't take a genius to figure out why desktop adoption has been slow). It has massive market share in terms of servers, phones/ tablet, embedded devices.

    I don't think anyone was talking about phones or servers. Linux works well to run Apache or SAP software, but that also doesn't require a working GPU driver or sound drivers or media codecs, or user friendlyness.

    Linux on desktop has nothing to do with someone running Apache on some webserver, they're not the same systems, they have as much user interactivity as a typewriter.

     

    Since linux is open source. The more it gets adopted the better it becomes ( companies tend to start contributing and building out libraries).

    People just want to wake up and there be linux desktops everywhere. Why would that happen? It still isnt ready for the masses but with flavors such as Ubuntu, which itself has millions of users currently, are making using linux even easier. Before Valve gaming on linux was next to nonexistent. Hell steamOS only went into open beta in Dec 2013 and currently is still in beta. So even now gaming on linux take some technical knowledge ( installing steamOS beta isn't for the techno illiterate ).

    Valve is playing the long game and linux has no where to go but up. Personally I am hoping that I can replace w7 in 2020 ( end of its life ) with a linux OS.

    Its a about quality of life. To get to the same level as Windows or Apple's OS you would need some big developers getting fully on board. They wont unless it means money. As long as Linux is only supported as a hobby it just wont cut it for the masses. If it does get supported, it will mean it will no longer be free. 

  • dave6660dave6660 Member UncommonPosts: 2,699
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by mrBurns210
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by mrBurns210

    Ah yes lets just say it is none.

    Linux 10 years ago vs today, linux is everywhere except the desktop ( it doesn't take a genius to figure out why desktop adoption has been slow). It has massive market share in terms of servers, phones/ tablet, embedded devices.

    I don't think anyone was talking about phones or servers. Linux works well to run Apache or SAP software, but that also doesn't require a working GPU driver or sound drivers or media codecs, or user friendlyness.

    Linux on desktop has nothing to do with someone running Apache on some webserver, they're not the same systems, they have as much user interactivity as a typewriter.

     

    Since linux is open source. The more it gets adopted the better it becomes ( companies tend to start contributing and building out libraries).

    People just want to wake up and there be linux desktops everywhere. Why would that happen? It still isnt ready for the masses but with flavors such as Ubuntu, which itself has millions of users currently, are making using linux even easier. Before Valve gaming on linux was next to nonexistent. Hell steamOS only went into open beta in Dec 2013 and currently is still in beta. So even now gaming on linux take some technical knowledge ( installing steamOS beta isn't for the techno illiterate ).

    Valve is playing the long game and linux has no where to go but up. Personally I am hoping that I can replace w7 in 2020 ( end of its life ) with a linux OS.

    Its a about quality of life. To get to the same level as Windows or Apple's OS you would need some big developers getting fully on board. They wont unless it means money. As long as Linux is only supported as a hobby it just wont cut it for the masses. If it does get supported, it will mean it will no longer be free. 

    Big developers?  IBM, Samsung, Novell, Oracle, Intel, Texas Instruments and Google have all made contributions to linux.  Even the NSA contributed to the security model.

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • mrBurns210mrBurns210 Member Posts: 114
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by mrBurns210
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by mrBurns210

    Ah yes lets just say it is none.

    Linux 10 years ago vs today, linux is everywhere except the desktop ( it doesn't take a genius to figure out why desktop adoption has been slow). It has massive market share in terms of servers, phones/ tablet, embedded devices.

    I don't think anyone was talking about phones or servers. Linux works well to run Apache or SAP software, but that also doesn't require a working GPU driver or sound drivers or media codecs, or user friendlyness.

    Linux on desktop has nothing to do with someone running Apache on some webserver, they're not the same systems, they have as much user interactivity as a typewriter.

     

    Since linux is open source. The more it gets adopted the better it becomes ( companies tend to start contributing and building out libraries).

    People just want to wake up and there be linux desktops everywhere. Why would that happen? It still isnt ready for the masses but with flavors such as Ubuntu, which itself has millions of users currently, are making using linux even easier. Before Valve gaming on linux was next to nonexistent. Hell steamOS only went into open beta in Dec 2013 and currently is still in beta. So even now gaming on linux take some technical knowledge ( installing steamOS beta isn't for the techno illiterate ).

    Valve is playing the long game and linux has no where to go but up. Personally I am hoping that I can replace w7 in 2020 ( end of its life ) with a linux OS.

    Its a about quality of life. To get to the same level as Windows or Apple's OS you would need some big developers getting fully on board. They wont unless it means money. As long as Linux is only supported as a hobby it just wont cut it for the masses. If it does get supported, it will mean it will no longer be free. 

    Companies already offer paid support for linux and you can buy preinstalled linux computers as well.
     Linux for years only offer was to be use as a hobby system. Only reason to game on it was to say "I managed to get such and such a game to run on my box".

    Valve only started down this a few years ago ( I think is was back on 2012 that they added linux support ) and since it was added the linux library has grown immensely as well as seeing major game engines start or increase their support of linux: Unreal, Cryengine,  and of course Source.

     

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by dave6660

    Big developers?  IBM, Samsung, Novell, Oracle, Intel, Texas Instruments and Google have all made contributions to linux.  Even the NSA contributed to the security model.

    Linux supports 0 of the software I use.

    Doesn't support Dassault systemes, doesn't support Adobe, doesn't support Corel, doesn't support Autodesk.

    Linux on desktop is good for children, or as a side hobby, not for ppl who want to get something done.

     

    The likelyhood that Linux on desktop will ever get decent software is non-existent, Windows has an amazing and beautiful language called C# and a massive library called .NET that assists and supports developers.

    All Linux ppl do is argue which distro is better than the other, arguing like children.

     

    Linux on desktop will never go mainstream, there's way too many ppl who refuse to let Linux gain traction, each time a distro becomes productive and user friendly, you have all the crazy ppl "But ppl should know how to use console!!".

    Linux on desktop is dead. 200+ distros and none of them are even usable or have decent software.

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    linux has no where to go but up.

    that's true, if you have less than 1% of the market, it's hard to go down

    blackberry can also only go up, otherwise it's dead

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Originally posted by dave6660
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by mrBurns210
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by mrBurns210

    Ah yes lets just say it is none.

    Linux 10 years ago vs today, linux is everywhere except the desktop ( it doesn't take a genius to figure out why desktop adoption has been slow). It has massive market share in terms of servers, phones/ tablet, embedded devices.

    I don't think anyone was talking about phones or servers. Linux works well to run Apache or SAP software, but that also doesn't require a working GPU driver or sound drivers or media codecs, or user friendlyness.

    Linux on desktop has nothing to do with someone running Apache on some webserver, they're not the same systems, they have as much user interactivity as a typewriter.

     

    Since linux is open source. The more it gets adopted the better it becomes ( companies tend to start contributing and building out libraries).

    People just want to wake up and there be linux desktops everywhere. Why would that happen? It still isnt ready for the masses but with flavors such as Ubuntu, which itself has millions of users currently, are making using linux even easier. Before Valve gaming on linux was next to nonexistent. Hell steamOS only went into open beta in Dec 2013 and currently is still in beta. So even now gaming on linux take some technical knowledge ( installing steamOS beta isn't for the techno illiterate ).

    Valve is playing the long game and linux has no where to go but up. Personally I am hoping that I can replace w7 in 2020 ( end of its life ) with a linux OS.

    Its a about quality of life. To get to the same level as Windows or Apple's OS you would need some big developers getting fully on board. They wont unless it means money. As long as Linux is only supported as a hobby it just wont cut it for the masses. If it does get supported, it will mean it will no longer be free. 

    Big developers?  IBM, Samsung, Novell, Oracle, Intel, Texas Instruments and Google have all made contributions to linux.  Even the NSA contributed to the security model.

    Contributions and full support are not the same thing. The money needed to have the support Linux needs is not even close to what it is now. Quality of life with Linux is pittins to what you get from Windows and Apple. Not a MS fan boy, I would love to see Linux be the free main OS everyone uses. I cant count how many times I wanted to format my HD to remove Windows. Its just they are the best of the evil out there. 

  • askdabossaskdaboss Member UncommonPosts: 631
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by dave6660

    Big developers?  IBM, Samsung, Novell, Oracle, Intel, Texas Instruments and Google have all made contributions to linux.  Even the NSA contributed to the security model.

    Linux supports 0 of the software I use.

    Doesn't support Dassault systemes, doesn't support Adobe, doesn't support Corel, doesn't support Autodesk.

    Linux on desktop is good for children, or as a side hobby, not for ppl who want to get something done.

    The likelyhood that Linux on desktop will ever get decent software is non-existent, Windows has an amazing and beautiful language called C# and a massive library called .NET that assists and supports developers.

    All Linux ppl do is argue which distro is better than the other, arguing like children.

     Linux on desktop will never go mainstream, there's way too many ppl who refuse to let Linux gain traction, each time a distro becomes productive and user friendly, you have all the crazy ppl "But ppl should know how to use console!!".

    Linux on desktop is dead. 200+ distros and none of them are even usable or have decent software.

    I would say it's rather "0 software I use support Linux" (as it is the software developer's responsibility to support multiple OS), but aside from this you are correct.

    I use Linux for programming/coding where a lot of open source solutions exist, but anything else and I switch back to Windows.

     

    On a side note, Ubuntu was doing great and consolidating the linux user base behind a main distribution, but they lost a significant portion of their user base by doing a "one size fits all" OS that was supposed to support tablets and PCs a la "Windows 8". It (mostly) failed.

    Weird... So people do not want to have greasy fingerprints everywhere on their screens? Go figure.

  • dave6660dave6660 Member UncommonPosts: 2,699
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by dave6660

    Big developers?  IBM, Samsung, Novell, Oracle, Intel, Texas Instruments and Google have all made contributions to linux.  Even the NSA contributed to the security model.

    Linux supports 0 of the software I use.

    Sounds like a personal problem.

    Doesn't support Dassault systemes, doesn't support Adobe, doesn't support Corel, doesn't support Autodesk.

    Ok.  That was never up for debate.

    Linux on desktop is good for children, or as a side hobby, not for ppl who want to get something done.

     This is just plain stupid, not worthy of a intelligent response.

    The likelyhood that Linux on desktop will ever get decent software is non-existent, Windows has an amazing and beautiful language called C# and a massive library called .NET that assists and supports developers.

    Google the Mono project.

    All Linux ppl do is argue which distro is better than the other, arguing like children.

     Oh the irony.

    Linux on desktop will never go mainstream, there's way too many ppl who refuse to let Linux gain traction, each time a distro becomes productive and user friendly, you have all the crazy ppl "But ppl should know how to use console!!".

    No, it will not become mainstream on the desktop.  That's not where it's strengths lie.

    Linux on desktop is dead. 200+ distros and none of them are even usable or have decent software.

    Now you're just trolling.

     

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by askdaboss
     

    On a side note, Ubuntu was doing great and consolidating the linux user base behind a main distribution, but they lost a significant portion of their user base by doing a "one size fits all" OS that was supposed to support tablets and PCs a la "Windows 8". It (mostly) failed.

    Weird... So people do not want to have greasy fingerprints everywhere on their screens? Go figure.

    Ubuntu is also one of the only distros that put user friendlyness as it's main goal.

    But still, to this day, you still have many Linux peeps on forums going "Learn to use the console"

    They are  the same ppl who think random ppl can write drivers and they should be open source.

    They are the same ppl that refuse to pay for software and think that everything should be for free.

    They are the same ppl that refuse to acknowledge that developers can't live on water and bread and need a steady income.

    They are the same ppl that dropped Ubuntu the minute the UI changed and instead of helping to fix it, bailed.

     

    Yes, Windows 8 had a UI problem, a big UI problem, that's now been addressed and fixed in Windows 10.

    But it is NOTHING compared to the problems Linux and it's community have.

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by dave6660

    No, it will not become mainstream on the desktop.  That's not where it's strengths lie.

    Even in webservers, Linux is starting to lose a lot of marketshare.

    Microsoft's IIS is becoming increasingly more popular compared to Apache.

    People love IIS for the same reason they love Windows, it's easy to set up and configure.

    Apache is not.

     

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by askdaboss
     

    On a side note, Ubuntu was doing great and consolidating the linux user base behind a main distribution, but they lost a significant portion of their user base by doing a "one size fits all" OS that was supposed to support tablets and PCs a la "Windows 8". It (mostly) failed.

    Weird... So people do not want to have greasy fingerprints everywhere on their screens? Go figure.

    Ubuntu is also one of the only distros that put user friendlyness as it's main goal.

    But still, to this day, you still have many Linux peeps on forums going "Learn to use the console"

    They are  the same ppl who think random ppl can write drivers and they should be open source.

    They are the same ppl that refuse to pay for software and think that everything should be for free.

    They are the same ppl that refuse to acknowledge that developers can't live on water and bread and need a steady income.

    They are the same ppl that dropped Ubuntu the minute the UI changed and instead of helping to fix it, bailed.

     

    Yes, Windows 8 had a UI problem, a big UI problem, that's now been addressed and fixed in Windows 10.

    But it is NOTHING compared to the problems Linux and it's community have.

    At one time, very few developers thought supporting the Mac was worthwhile, many still don't, in that sense, LInux is in much the same position, but times are changing, and that support is gradually coming into place, how long before it becomes natural to develop software for Linux alongside that of Windows, remains to be seen, but its not as unlikely as it was just a few years ago.image

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Phry

    At one time, very few developers thought supporting the Mac was worthwhile, many still don't, in that sense, LInux is in much the same position, but times are changing, and that support is gradually coming into place, how long before it becomes natural to develop software for Linux alongside that of Windows, remains to be seen, but its not as unlikely as it was just a few years ago.image

    Mac was easy to support for ppl, it put user friendlyness and security at it's core.

    While Ubuntu support user friendlyness it is anything but secure.

    I noticed a while ago they started using Sougou as their official chines transcription system, Sogou has major security flaws and sends data over to the chinese government.

    Yet these type of things are put into Linux distros, they would never make it onto Windows or Mac.

     

    Ubuntu official site:

     

    Tech site:

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by askdaboss
     

    On a side note, Ubuntu was doing great and consolidating the linux user base behind a main distribution, but they lost a significant portion of their user base by doing a "one size fits all" OS that was supposed to support tablets and PCs a la "Windows 8". It (mostly) failed.

    Weird... So people do not want to have greasy fingerprints everywhere on their screens? Go figure.

    Ubuntu is also one of the only distros that put user friendlyness as it's main goal.

    But still, to this day, you still have many Linux peeps on forums going "Learn to use the console"

    They are  the same ppl who think random ppl can write drivers and they should be open source.

    They are the same ppl that refuse to pay for software and think that everything should be for free.

    They are the same ppl that refuse to acknowledge that developers can't live on water and bread and need a steady income.

    They are the same ppl that dropped Ubuntu the minute the UI changed and instead of helping to fix it, bailed.

     

    Yes, Windows 8 had a UI problem, a big UI problem, that's now been addressed and fixed in Windows 10.

    But it is NOTHING compared to the problems Linux and it's community have.

    At one time, very few developers thought supporting the Mac was worthwhile, many still don't, in that sense, LInux is in much the same position, but times are changing, and that support is gradually coming into place, how long before it becomes natural to develop software for Linux alongside that of Windows, remains to be seen, but its not as unlikely as it was just a few years ago.image

    Still side by side, when it comes to desktop OS and options its MS hands down. But Apple is just what I was talking about before when I said Linux would not do well without some big cash support. Apple is a Linux based OS. Its why it so powerful. If Apple got their heads out of their bums and started charging a fair price for their Hardware, MS would soon be chasing Applies tails but unless someone is willing to put big money into Linux, like Apple did, it wont go anywhere but that 1% of users who like to fiddle. 

  • vadio123vadio123 Member UncommonPosts: 593
    ....... more one? what hell happen to you microsoft 
  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    The new build is available, this time with cortana and Xbox features.

    Although I don't have an Xbox One, so I probably won't be able to test that, not even sure we still have a mic laying around to test cortana.

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Phry

    At one time, very few developers thought supporting the Mac was worthwhile, many still don't, in that sense, LInux is in much the same position, but times are changing, and that support is gradually coming into place, how long before it becomes natural to develop software for Linux alongside that of Windows, remains to be seen, but its not as unlikely as it was just a few years ago.image

    Mac was easy to support for ppl, it put user friendlyness and security at it's core.

    While Ubuntu support user friendlyness it is anything but secure.

    I noticed a while ago they started using Sougou as their official chines transcription system, Sogou has major security flaws and sends data over to the chinese government.

    Yet these type of things are put into Linux distros, they would never make it onto Windows or Mac.

     

    Ubuntu official site:

     

    Tech site:

    And yet Windows and Macs for that matter are so insecure that you need 3rd party software to protect them, after all what would Windows be like if nobody ever installed a decent firewall or antivirus, or regular hotfixes to the OS's for that matter, never heard of the Sogou explorer, but compared to the list of insecurities etc. that have plagued Microsoft over the years, its barely worth a moments notice. image

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    The new build is available, this time with cortana and Xbox features.

    Although I don't have an Xbox One, so I probably won't be able to test that, not even sure we still have a mic laying around to test cortana.

    To be honest, the Xbox1 features are a bit of a joke, streaming one to a PC with all the additional lag entailed would be a waste of time, why bother streaming a game with frame rate and resolution issues in a way that increases controller lag etc, you'd be better off doing it the other way around image

    As for Cortana, not really sure what purpose it even serves, beyond being something of a gimmick for the tech heads to play with.

    That the thing is free, will be a huge positive feature, and it might well be enough for some to make the switch, certainly for Win 8 users it is a huge step forward, the question remains, and has always been, will it persuade the Win 7 users. image

  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    I'll try to test what I can and play around a bit.

    I do want to warn ppl, this seems to be a real upgrade. Meaning, the file I got from MS rebooted my PC and it's doing a 3GB "update" as you can see, on my Windows 7 system. That's windows 10 being installed.

    I thought it would be a few iso files like before that I could run in a VM. Don't do this on your main system!

     

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,941
    Originally posted by Johnxboy

    If they change to a subscription service it will kill windows and send the average user to apple.

    That's so funny, I'm pretty sure even then most people won't go to apple. Specially people in this forum, they like to play videogames...

    lol, before I read this and after I read that "subscription" deal I was thinking "well, if it goes sub then I'll get rid of my windows machine once the current OS is no longer viable, just use my Mac for my own work, internet, etc and then buy a console getting the attachment that allows mouse and keyboard.

    Paying money for a game (possibly sub) and paying for an OS so I can play that game? meh, I don't think so.

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Still only 72%, and the max download from the MS server is 2MB/s, even though we have a 150Mb connection, it's slow for a 3GB file. I think many are downloading it.
  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    Almost ready. I think the "I changed my mind" is a troll button from MS after a 3GB install.

     

  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    Install took a super long time.

    Finally have it.

    If you have questions, just ask, have no idea where cortana is hiding.

    There's a new search bar at the bottom. and windows double tab.

  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    Not that much is different, but what is really nice, is that if you pull something to the right or left...to make it occupy 50% of the screen....Windows lets you choose what is on the other side.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Phry

    At one time, very few developers thought supporting the Mac was worthwhile, many still don't, in that sense, LInux is in much the same position, but times are changing, and that support is gradually coming into place, how long before it becomes natural to develop software for Linux alongside that of Windows, remains to be seen, but its not as unlikely as it was just a few years ago.image

    Mac was easy to support for ppl, it put user friendlyness and security at it's core.

    While Ubuntu support user friendlyness it is anything but secure.

    I noticed a while ago they started using Sougou as their official chines transcription system, Sogou has major security flaws and sends data over to the chinese government.

    Yet these type of things are put into Linux distros, they would never make it onto Windows or Mac.

     

    Ubuntu official site:

     

    Tech site:

    And yet Windows and Macs for that matter are so insecure that you need 3rd party software to protect them, after all what would Windows be like if nobody ever installed a decent firewall or antivirus, or regular hotfixes to the OS's for that matter, never heard of the Sogou explorer, but compared to the list of insecurities etc. that have plagued Microsoft over the years, its barely worth a moments notice. image

    I have been using WIndows Defender and built in firewall for about 2 years. I have not had any virus or malware. 

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