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  • ThorqemadaThorqemada Member UncommonPosts: 1,282

    Its a pretty smart move bcs it "forces" you as Player to upgrade ASAP - its the offer to good to repell.
    I am curious what Business Model MS will have.....

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    Been using the latest build for 2 days now. Yesterday and today.

     

    I don't like:

    *When you click start, you're supposed to be able to start typing right away, that doesn't always seem to  work

    *not all games seem to work yet

    *The install time took a long time, really long, about 45 minutes on a really fast SSD, a minor issue really

    *Windows 10 took slightly longer to boot than windows 8, still faster than 7, but not by much

    they're  things that are going to get fixed probably

     

    I have my doubts about:

    *Cortana. Yes, she's fun for 30 minutes, so was siri. But I have an iPad mini and never use Siri anymore. My sister has an iPhone, she never uses siri either anymore. Cortana is also less smart than Siri.

    *Virtual desktops. Same thing. I just don't think that is going to be really useful for most ppl. Especially now that we can use WIN+TAB to get a quick overview of our windows.

     

    I like:

    *The start button is back

    *WIN+TAB. What pushing windows key and tab does is it shows you all your windows. It's like the windows 7 Aero 3D flip but so much more useful. You then click the one you want. Aero flip was a gimmick, this is actually useful.

    You should bind it to your mouse though, with a macro. I have a roccat kone pure, it works perfectly, I love those mice.

    You also have a button on your taskbar to engage it.

    *If you slide a window to the left or right, on the other side you get a choice of which window will get docked. It's really handy.

    *

    *The metro apps. I hated them in Windows 8. But in windows 10 they don't take you out of your desktop and you can resize them. They're much more useful now.

    Many apps are also free and fun to use.

     

     

     

    It's a very good OS, it's not amazing,  but  very good. It's  not  a lemon like Windows 8, it's a good OS.  If you have windows 7, you should upgrade for free I feel, same with Windows 8 users. You're going to like that the UI is more fun to use I think, and some apps are good and many are free.

     

    PS: I didn't test the Xbox One features, since I don't have an Xbox One

  • mrneurosismrneurosis Member UncommonPosts: 316
    Not once i had a smooth experince with windows 8. I will stick with 7 for as long as it is viable. So no win 10 for me.
  • JohnP0100JohnP0100 Member UncommonPosts: 401
    Originally posted by mrneurosis
    Not once i had a smooth experince with windows 8. I will stick with 7 for as long as it is viable. So no win 10 for me.

    To be fair, Win10 is Microsoft's giant apology for the absolute dog-poo that is Win8.

    Win7 support runs out in 2020; http://windows.microsoft.com/en-nz/windows/lifecycle

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  • TheAmazingDwarfTheAmazingDwarf Member UncommonPosts: 234
    I never had any problems with 7, tough I find 8 and 8.1 more robust - I think they used a good base and improved on that. And windows 8 tablets and smartphones are great!

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    There is a photo app too, built into windows.

    It's not an app you need to get from somewhere, it's integrted into Windows 10, just like MS Paint is.

    It's good enough to touch up your pictures.

     

    It also accepts RAW files surprisingly. It has a compare button which is rather nice. If you hold it down, you see the previous state.

     

    It's not lightroom, but it's good enough for hobby photographers who just want something that is easy to use and works well.

     

     

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    There is a photo app too, built into windows.....

    I can't see the pictures you've posted to postimg.org. Those pictures you've posted on tinypic work perfectly.

     
  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Ok, they're hosted on tinypic now, you can see them now?
  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916

    Originally posted by JohnP0100

    Originally posted by patlefort
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Why are people even discussing Linux? Nobody cares about it. There is no reason whatsoever to use Linux. Nobody uses it to a point where it is insignificant. It's a cheap insecure operating system which no developer wants to support. 

     

    I wonder how much some people are being paid to spread falsehood and boldface lies such as this. No one sane and that care about freedom would say that. Especially not developers.

    I would say 'it is an opportunity to educate'. :P

    Linux is actually 'cared' by a lot of people. The issue is that you don't generally know that you are using Linux or interacting with a computer that has Linux.

    If you have an android device (e.g. Samsung Galaxy S5 / Note 4), then you are using Linux as Android OS uses the Linux kernal.

     

    In the desktop space, yes, Linux isn't all that relevant.

    I was specifically talking about Desktops. I am well aware that Android uses the Linux kernel. However, it's not exactly Linus as it is heavily modified by Google.

    AGain android is not exactly you run of the mill linux. And I know tons of servers/fridges or whatever run Linux too. But it's not like I am interacting with those kind of things too much anyway.

     

    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    Been using the latest build for 2 days now. Yesterday and today.

     

    I don't like:

    *When you click start, you're supposed to be able to start typing right away, that doesn't always seem to  work

    *not all games seem to work yet

    *The install time took a long time, really long, about 45 minutes on a really fast SSD, a minor issue really

    *Windows 10 took slightly longer to boot than windows 8, still faster than 7, but not by much

    they're  things that are going to get fixed probably

     

    I have my doubts about:

    *Cortana. Yes, she's fun for 30 minutes, so was siri. But I have an iPad mini and never use Siri anymore. My sister has an iPhone, she never uses siri either anymore. Cortana is also less smart than Siri.

    *Virtual desktops. Same thing. I just don't think that is going to be really useful for most ppl. Especially now that we can use WIN+TAB to get a quick overview of our windows.

     

    I like:

    *The start button is back

    *WIN+TAB. What pushing windows key and tab does is it shows you all your windows. It's like the windows 7 Aero 3D flip but so much more useful. You then click the one you want. Aero flip was a gimmick, this is actually useful.

    You should bind it to your mouse though, with a macro. I have a roccat kone pure, it works perfectly, I love those mice.

    You also have a button on your taskbar to engage it.

    *If you slide a window to the left or right, on the other side you get a choice of which window will get docked. It's really handy.

    *

    *The metro apps. I hated them in Windows 8. But in windows 10 they don't take you out of your desktop and you can resize them. They're much more useful now.

    Many apps are also free and fun to use.

     

     

     

    It's a very good OS, it's not amazing,  but  very good. It's  not  a lemon like Windows 8, it's a good OS.  If you have windows 7, you should upgrade for free I feel, same with Windows 8 users. You're going to like that the UI is more fun to use I think, and some apps are good and many are free.

     

    PS: I didn't test the Xbox One features, since I don't have an Xbox One

    All this sounds interesting, thanks for sharing. How stable is the release? Is it worth trying to upgrade or is it better to wait for release due to too much incompatibilities with software/games?

     

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  • mrBurns210mrBurns210 Member Posts: 114

    Windows 10 preview collects a decent amount of personal data and it could change when it is released but I do not think it will change that much.

    From their privacy policy:

    When you acquire, install and use the Program software and services, Microsoft collects information about your use of the software and services as well as about the devices and networks on which they operate. Examples of data we may collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; location, browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; voice, text and writing input; and application usage. For example, when you:

    • install or use Program software and services, we may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility (e.g., to help devices and apps work together),

    • when you use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing (e.g., to help the service better translate speech into text),

    • when you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes to use it for purposes such as improving performance (e.g., to help retrieve documents more quickly), or

    • when you input text, handwrite notes, or ink comments, we may collect samples of your input to improve these input features, (e.g., to help improve the accuracy of autocomplete and spellcheck).

    Here is the link for the full policy.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-privacy-statement

     

  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Originally posted by fivoroth
    All this sounds interesting, thanks for sharing. How stable is the release? Is it worth trying to upgrade or is it better to wait for release due to too much incompatibilities with software/games?

     

    It's stable, but it has some bugs, it shouldn't go on your main PC.

    I tried out vindictus, and it wouldn't run, I wouldn't use this as your main machine.

    Also, the thing with Cortana is, while you can play around with it, there is a notice from MS that they do store what you type in and do analyse it, since it's a beta.

    The way Cortana is set up in Windows 10 is not that good if you care about privacy, since developers will be going over that information.

     

    Also, installing windows 10 took me 2 tries, the frist download was corrupted I think.

     

    Basically, don't install it on your main PC.

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    CalmOceans: Yes, ty
     
  • dave6660dave6660 Member UncommonPosts: 2,699
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by dave6660

    No, it will not become mainstream on the desktop.  That's not where it's strengths lie.

    Even in webservers, Linux is starting to lose a lot of marketshare.

    Microsoft's IIS is becoming increasingly more popular compared to Apache.

    People love IIS for the same reason they love Windows, it's easy to set up and configure.

    Apache is not.

     

    Quote the rest of the article.

    "Apache's position is much stronger when considering only Active Sites — it retains an absolute majority of 52.3%, and second place is held by nginx (14.4%), rather than Microsoft (11.3%). By excluding much of the automatically-generated content present on the internet, the Active Sites metric better reflects web server market share amongst human-maintained web sites."

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  • WhySoSeriousWhySoSerious Member UncommonPosts: 156
    What is windows 10 going to do for me that windows 7 doesn't?
  • GravargGravarg Member UncommonPosts: 3,424
    I never understood why people hated Windows 8/8.1 so much.  I actually enjoy it.  When it launched it was different from what the other Windows did, but once you get used to it and learn the new shortcuts it's actually a lot better, faster, and more responsive than Windows 7 (imho).  My windows 7 desktop takes about 45 seconds-1 minute to load.  My windows 8.1 laptop takes about 10-15 seconds to start, and about 1 second to load from sleep.  Both costed around the same when they were new, so I don't know if it's new technology or what, but there is a huge difference.  Windows 8 also can use more RAM if you got it.
  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Originally posted by WhySoSerious
    What is windows 10 going to do for me that windows 7 doesn't?

    Give you DirectX 12 for one, since it's exclusive to Windows 10. It should give games a sizeable speed boost since it will allow for better multithreading on the CPU side and more low level support for GPU.

    MS showed it in one of their presentations, in DX11, CPU cores were not evenly balanced, core 1 was doing most of the work, in DX12, the work was evenly split between the 4 cores, it resulted in a much higher framerate.

  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

    Video playback is super smooth in Windows 10, but it seems to have more to do with the fact my build doesn't have flash and my other PC does, since it doesn't have flash, Youtube is defaulting to HTML5 on Firefox and IE. It didn't used to do that.

    I never realised just how laggy flash is.

  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 839
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by WhySoSerious
    What is windows 10 going to do for me that windows 7 doesn't?

    Give you DirectX 12 for one, since it's exclusive to Windows 10. It should give games a sizeable speed boost since it will allow for better multithreading on the CPU side and more low level support for GPU.

    MS showed it in one of their presentations, in DX11, CPU cores were not evenly balanced, core 1 was doing most of the work, in DX12, the work was evenly split between the 4 cores, it resulted in a much higher framerate.

    So, my question is what exactly does this translate to for older games / existing games.  Example: Guild wars 2?  Games still being supported but already out. I assume it will be a huge deal for these games to update to?

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Originally posted by Hulluck
    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    Originally posted by WhySoSerious
    What is windows 10 going to do for me that windows 7 doesn't?

    Give you DirectX 12 for one, since it's exclusive to Windows 10. It should give games a sizeable speed boost since it will allow for better multithreading on the CPU side and more low level support for GPU.

    MS showed it in one of their presentations, in DX11, CPU cores were not evenly balanced, core 1 was doing most of the work, in DX12, the work was evenly split between the 4 cores, it resulted in a much higher framerate.

    So, my question is what exactly does this translate to for older games / existing games.  Example: Guild wars 2?  Games still being supported but already out. I assume it will be a huge deal for these games to update to?

    DX12 launch doesn't mean anything for any existing MMO for a couple of years. If an MMO gets updated and improved, eventually the devs might add support for something from DX12, but the delay from launch of DirectX update to devs seeing it as important enough to add to existing games is usually several years.

     
  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916

    Originally posted by mrBurns210

    Windows 10 preview collects a decent amount of personal data and it could change when it is released but I do not think it will change that much.

    From their privacy policy:

    When you acquire, install and use the Program software and services, Microsoft collects information about your use of the software and services as well as about the devices and networks on which they operate. Examples of data we may collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; location, browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; voice, text and writing input; and application usage. For example, when you:

    • install or use Program software and services, we may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility (e.g., to help devices and apps work together),

    • when you use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing (e.g., to help the service better translate speech into text),

    • when you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes to use it for purposes such as improving performance (e.g., to help retrieve documents more quickly), or

    • when you input text, handwrite notes, or ink comments, we may collect samples of your input to improve these input features, (e.g., to help improve the accuracy of autocomplete and spellcheck).

    Here is the link for the full policy.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-privacy-statement

     

    This is only happening during the beta and Microsoft make it very CLEAR that this is the case if you sign up for their Insiders Programme and you test WIndows 10.

    This is not going to be case for the final release. This was also done when Windows 7 and Windows 8 were tested. So don't get too excited. This is for testing purposes.

     

    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    Originally posted by fivoroth
    All this sounds interesting, thanks for sharing. How stable is the release? Is it worth trying to upgrade or is it better to wait for release due to too much incompatibilities with software/games?

     

    It's stable, but it has some bugs, it shouldn't go on your main PC.

    I tried out vindictus, and it wouldn't run, I wouldn't use this as your main machine.

    Also, the thing with Cortana is, while you can play around with it, there is a notice from MS that they do store what you type in and do analyse it, since it's a beta.

    The way Cortana is set up in Windows 10 is not that good if you care about privacy, since developers will be going over that information.

     

    Also, installing windows 10 took me 2 tries, the frist download was corrupted I think.

     

    Basically, don't install it on your main PC.

    Ok thanks for the heads up.

     

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  • CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437
    Originally posted by Hulluck

    So, my question is what exactly does this translate to for older games / existing games.  Example: Guild wars 2?  Games still being supported but already out. I assume it will be a huge deal for these games to update to?

    No, games need to be written for the DX12 API, old games won't get any benefit from it.

    DX12 brings to PC what consoles have always had, low level hardware access like on Xbox and Playstation. Consoles have always had much better access to the hardware than PC have, that's why a console can perform so well with low-end hardware. DX11 API has a lot more abstraction, it does a lot of things for the developer and doesn't allow the developer to optimize their code like they can on consoles.

    DX12 will give PC developers what Xbox One developers can do, Xbox One actually runs on something very close to DX12.

    Engines will be able to better distribute the workload on the CPU cores so each thread gets a similar workload, and they have lower lvl GPU access with DX12. You will see less things like baked lights and you'll see more realtime lighting for example.

  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    Video playback is super smooth in Windows 10, but it seems to have more to do with the fact my build doesn't have flash and my other PC does, since it doesn't have flash, Youtube is defaulting to HTML5 on Firefox and IE. It didn't used to do that.

    I never realised just how laggy flash is.

    I hate flash, it slows down everything so much. I noticed a HUGE difference in video playback between Apple Devices and my personal computer. Obviously it is difficult to compare the two but apple devices which don't rely on flash just load everything instantly with 0 lag and my PC is way more powerful. The sooner we get rid of flash the better. There is a reason they scrapped it on ios and Google then followed as well by removing flash in 4.0+

    Almost all of my browser related crashes are due to the stupid flash.

    Originally posted by Gravarg
    I never understood why people hated Windows 8/8.1 so much.  I actually enjoy it.  When it launched it was different from what the other Windows did, but once you get used to it and learn the new shortcuts it's actually a lot better, faster, and more responsive than Windows 7 (imho).  My windows 7 desktop takes about 45 seconds-1 minute to load.  My windows 8.1 laptop takes about 10-15 seconds to start, and about 1 second to load from sleep.  Both costed around the same when they were new, so I don't know if it's new technology or what, but there is a huge difference.  Windows 8 also can use more RAM if you got it.

    Me neither. Windows 8 boots much quicker on Windows 7. There is no doubt about it. It is always a dramatic difference unless you have SSD where the difference is only 5-10 sec, again in favour of Windows 8.

    I always challenge people to say what was so bad about W8 and they are ALMOST NEVER able to give any good reasons. The only thing is the start menu is different but that is very customisable now (aka people are still talking about version 1 of Windows 8 from 3 years ago) and you can make it identical to windows 7 in less than 5 minutes. If you wanted to make it identical to w7 it doesn't take long but all those people who claim that they can take apart pcs and know LOTS about PCs can't spare 1-2 minutes to change it. Wow!

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130

    So far so good, reviews and ppl on forums and in this thread have been positive about Windows 10.

    Fingers crossed they fix and refine it and make it better still.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Using Windows 10 on my gaming rig all weekend. Played WoW and Landmark and not a single hickup. I have only had one compatibility problem. My HP 8620 will not work. I can get Windows 10 to see it, but for some reasons the drivers wont install. The new search tool bar is not as intuitive as 8.1. I used to be able to just type part of the name to get what I wanted. Sometimes I had to spell the full name to get Windows 10 to pull up the program or system settings I wanted. Other then that, its been a good weekend of gaming. 
  • mrBurns210mrBurns210 Member Posts: 114
    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Originally posted by mrBurns210

    Windows 10 preview collects a decent amount of personal data and it could change when it is released but I do not think it will change that much.

    From their privacy policy:

    When you acquire, install and use the Program software and services, Microsoft collects information about your use of the software and services as well as about the devices and networks on which they operate. Examples of data we may collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; location, browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; voice, text and writing input; and application usage. For example, when you:

    • install or use Program software and services, we may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility (e.g., to help devices and apps work together),

    • when you use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing (e.g., to help the service better translate speech into text),

    • when you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes to use it for purposes such as improving performance (e.g., to help retrieve documents more quickly), or

    • when you input text, handwrite notes, or ink comments, we may collect samples of your input to improve these input features, (e.g., to help improve the accuracy of autocomplete and spellcheck).

    Here is the link for the full policy.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-privacy-statement

     

    This is only happening during the beta and Microsoft make it very CLEAR that this is the case if you sign up for their Insiders Programme and you test WIndows 10.

    This is not going to be case for the final release. This was also done when Windows 7 and Windows 8 were tested. So don't get too excited. This is for testing purposes.

    Well just from what w8.1 gathers (smart search) and add in Cortana which could make those with privacy concerns a bit squeamish. Windows 10 will have a much more cloud based integration and MS has switched Windows from a product to a service.  Currently my experience with services is that they provide something for the cost of simply providing a data point back. I do not mind that on an app to app basis but I do have concerns when it comes to my OS.

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