Originally posted by Ganksinatra Who wants to play a game of "Spot the people who donated to Kickstarter and bought super expensive ships"? It's eerily easy to play. People aren't worried about the delays. They aren't worried about how long it's been in development. What people ARE worried about is no game play footage after this long. Hell, even EQ Next had gameplay footage by this point. They are worried about the insane skill and feature creep. Every update, something new is added that is completely tertiary to the gameplay overall, and that feature will no doubt need more features and skills to use, which seem to with this company, cascade into even more features. This would be amazing, if we as consumers had any actual gameplay to look at. Without that footage, we are left to wonder if the game itself even exists or if they are just too busy planning and implementing things to create a working game. PS: this fella has done nothing on his own. He only had success while with Origin, which afforded him infinitely more resources.
Go ahead - ignore a few thousand gameplay videos of Star Citizen on Youtube, made available by gamers.
Only takes 5 seconds with Google.
Have fun
Not to mention that Starlancer was considered a successful game and Digital Anvil was a game he started 'on his own'.
I'm sorry but 30 percent of the Backers wanting their money back is not a small rowdy group. It is almost 1/3 of your support and would probably cripple CIG snd RSI's attempts to put the game out.
A lie that does not become any more true by repeating it.
with the question "Would you like there to be a publically available refund process now, given this latest development?" and out of the 1173 participants 25.15 % voted YES and 74.85 % voted NO.
The result from this poll was then intentionally used wrong to imply that 30% of the backers wanted a refund.
Have fun
Your explanation does not fit the agenda of the "Burn-down-SC-nao !" crowd, therefore it will be quietly ignored by them.
There seems to be a small group of people that want to destroy SC at all costs. They have already made up their minds that SC is a scam, vapourware, mismanaged, etc. and would like nothing more than to punish Chris Roberts for daring to launch a successful project.
They are not interested in debating the merits of the case, they have already passed sentence. All they are prepared to discuss is the severity of the punishment that will be inflicted. I have seen the "somebody will be going to jail for this" comments in several posts in this latest round of hysteria. Clearly, guilt is already well established.
These special snowflakes believe that because they disagree with 90% of the SC backers, they are automatically correct, because they are not part of the "herd". They consider themselves to be the elite, because they dare to challenge the status quo. Everyone knows that the mainstream is always wrong. No amount of disclosure will change their minds, only one outcome will satisfy them.
It's always easier to destroy than create, all you need is a box of matches and a dose of envy...
It's always easier to destroy than create, all you need is a box of matches and a dose of envy...
*** holds up a CO2 fire extinguisher and grins ***
Have fun
His point still stands considering that for the price of your extinguisher there could be a couple of hundred people with their cheapo matches. Can't be everywhere at once.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
Go ahead - ignore a few thousand gameplay videos of Star Citizen on Youtube, made available by gamers.
Only takes 5 seconds with Google.
Have fun
Yes, there are gameplay videos of the "module". This module is smaller than most game demos I've seen. It's about the size of many proof of concept projects out there. In case you're not familiar with those, it's what a team of developers makes to show investors in the initial stages what they plan on creating/delivering. It's the earliest, smallest possible build of a demo.
The point you're droning on about above, that there is "no footage" is probably meant to mean no gameplay of a COMPLETE game. There is no complete game to be had, either in alpha, beta, or even "pre-alpha". The one and only thing that exists is this "tech demo" they call a module.
Most people in the industry would scoff at that term, and call it what it really is.
It's always easier to destroy than create, all you need is a box of matches and a dose of envy...
*** holds up a CO2 fire extinguisher and grins ***
Have fun
His point still stands considering that for the price of your extinguisher there could be a couple of hundred people with their cheapo matches. Can't be everywhere at once.
*** has his hand on the switch for the Halon dispenser ***
It's always easier to destroy than create, all you need is a box of matches and a dose of envy...
*** holds up a CO2 fire extinguisher and grins ***
Have fun
His point still stands considering that for the price of your extinguisher there could be a couple of hundred people with their cheapo matches. Can't be everywhere at once.
*** has his hand on the switch for the Halon dispenser ***
Yes we can ;-)
Have fun
You crazy gerbil.
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Warley, your commitment to this cause is impressive.
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Originally posted by Ganksinatra Who wants to play a game of "Spot the people who donated to Kickstarter and bought super expensive ships"? It's eerily easy to play. People aren't worried about the delays. They aren't worried about how long it's been in development. What people ARE worried about is no game play footage after this long. Hell, even EQ Next had gameplay footage by this point. They are worried about the insane skill and feature creep. Every update, something new is added that is completely tertiary to the gameplay overall, and that feature will no doubt need more features and skills to use, which seem to with this company, cascade into even more features. This would be amazing, if we as consumers had any actual gameplay to look at. Without that footage, we are left to wonder if the game itself even exists or if they are just too busy planning and implementing things to create a working game. PS: this fella has done nothing on his own. He only had success while with Origin, which afforded him infinitely more resources.
Go ahead - ignore a few thousand gameplay videos of Star Citizen on Youtube, made available by gamers.
Only takes 5 seconds with Google.
Have fun
Not to mention that Starlancer was considered a successful game and Digital Anvil was a game he started 'on his own'.
Starlancer was designed by Warthog Games for Digital Anvil. Thus an out-house production.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Apparently they're showing off their first proper multi-crew ship at Gamescom next month, that should silence the rebelling rabble for a while. However the demo obviously comes with caveats and if history is anything to go by - see does not equal use, as shown by the FPS which was demoed in April with an ETA of 2 weeks but has disappeared for an undetermined time. I'm curious if there will be a discounted concept art sale for the newly revealed multi-crew ship?
Might give a nce taster of what they hope to accomplish but a demo means nothing to me until I can actually play it myself.
Even if they manage to show a good multicrew demo - and release it shortly after - the fanatical mob against this game will ignore it.
This isn't about justified scepticism, which I could appreciate when it comes to people who don't understand the challenge of developing perhaps the most ambitious video game of all time.
It's about being an ideal target for conspiracy theories and hate-fueled nutjobs who can do little but shout extremely loud.
Originally posted by Warley Originally posted by Erillion Originally posted by Ganksinatra Who wants to play a game of "Spot the people who donated to Kickstarter and bought super expensive ships"? It's eerily easy to play. People aren't worried about the delays. They aren't worried about how long it's been in development. What people ARE worried about is no game play footage after this long. Hell, even EQ Next had gameplay footage by this point. They are worried about the insane skill and feature creep. Every update, something new is added that is completely tertiary to the gameplay overall, and that feature will no doubt need more features and skills to use, which seem to with this company, cascade into even more features. This would be amazing, if we as consumers had any actual gameplay to look at. Without that footage, we are left to wonder if the game itself even exists or if they are just too busy planning and implementing things to create a working game. PS: this fella has done nothing on his own. He only had success while with Origin, which afforded him infinitely more resources.
Go ahead - ignore a few thousand gameplay videos of Star Citizen on Youtube, made available by gamers.
Only takes 5 seconds with Google.
Have fun
Not to mention that Starlancer was considered a successful game and Digital Anvil was a game he started 'on his own'.
Starlancer was designed by Warthog Games for Digital Anvil. Thus an out-house production.
Yes, Starlancer bears only the production house's name. He in no way made it. And if you think those videos are gameplay footage, your expectations are INCREDIBLY low. Gameplay footage is a polished, damn near finished portion of the game. It can be a tiny, few minute long experience where you get a feel of how the full game will be. These videos are nowhere near that. It's like claiming watching the audition tapes are a good way to know what a movie is about. You don't have to white knight for this game. It's QUITE OBVIOUS to apparently everyone but a few of you, that people are unhappy with the trajectory and lack of clear vision this game has. You don't have to run in and defend it everytime someone says they don't like something that is completely subjective. People can have differing opinions from yours. The world won't explode. True story.
Originally posted by Ganksinatra that people are unhappy with the trajectory and lack of clear vision this game has.
With 950.000 people in the project there will ALWAYS be some people that are unhappy. Because you cannot make a game that makes 950.000 people equally happy. 950.000 people that have their own, often conflicting views of the perfect game.
So - yes, some people are unhappy. No, by the very nature of such a large project that cannot be helped and will always be the case, no matter what CIG does.
So i hope that CIG does not try to appease everyone (which they cannot) and concentrates on making the game (which they can). To the best of their ability.
Contrary to you I think they DO have a clear vision for the game. Again, not ALL of the 950.000 backers share this vision .. and its impossible (without mind control ;-) that all the 950.000 have an identical vision. So - someone will ALWAYS complain about CIGs vision, no matter what they do.
Anyone that takes his points or words seriously is incredibly naive. Just because certain points are raised or has some measure of truth in this doesn't mean the entire thing isn't credible due to dishonesty, misrepresentation, a play on people's ignorance, and so forth.
The small rowdy group with the pitchforks will welcome any supporters to their cause, no questions asked.
They cannot afford to be picky, they need the numbers desperately.
I'm sorry but 30 percent of the Backers wanting their money back is not a small rowdy group. It is almost 1/3 of your support and would probably cripple CIG snd RSI's attempts to put the game out.
Why do people keep saying this? A poll asking if people want the ability to receive refunds, is not exactly the same thing as people saying they want a refund, they're saying they'd welcome the option if they wanted a refund. Was it also representative of everyone who backed the game? I highly doubt that as well.
Why do people keep saying this? Goebbels has the answer: “It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition that a square is in fact a circle."
<Date on which consumer could buy final version of game>
Yes, it's standard practice for backers to "buy" the final version of a Kickstarter-funded game at the point where they pledge for the campaign. Nothing unusual about that in the slightest.
Didn't you know that ?
Or are you implying that games should not be allowed to be funded via Kickstarter ?
"............Star Citizen, already 12 months into production"
Neither does the graphic reflect the vastly expanded scope of the game that resulted from the string of stretch goals reached after the end of the highly successful Kickstarter campaign.
Given the eventual scope and complexity of SC, it's not unreasonable to compare it's development time to that of ESO, for instance.
So the correct launch date for SC will be 2011 + 7 years. I'd say they're actually ahead of schedule at this point !
"............Star Citizen, already 12 months into production"
That is a claim from an unnamed blogger on a website, not a quote from a Chris Roberts. Its a guess. NOT a fact.
It is not the first time that journalists/bloggers misunderstood and claimed dates that Chris Roberts never said (and it was not on the interview tapes).
What do you want to tell us with that link ?
When i announce that Zuse and his coworkers had already planned World of Warcraft in 1944 when they created the Z3, is that equally correct ? Because someone somewhere made a non-verifiable claim and that makes it valid ?!
I'm sorry but 30 percent of the Backers wanting their money back is not a small rowdy group. It is almost 1/3 of your support and would probably cripple CIG snd RSI's attempts to put the game out.
A lie that does not become any more true by repeating it.
with the question "Would you like there to be a publically available refund process now, given this latest development?" and out of the 1173 participants 25.15 % voted YES and 74.85 % voted NO.
The result from this poll was then intentionally used wrong to imply that 30% of the backers wanted a refund.
Have fun
Your explanation does not fit the agenda of the "Burn-down-SC-nao !" crowd, therefore it will be quietly ignored by them.
There seems to be a small group of people that want to destroy SC at all costs. They have already made up their minds that SC is a scam, vapourware, mismanaged, etc. and would like nothing more than to punish Chris Roberts for daring to launch a successful project.
They are not interested in debating the merits of the case, they have already passed sentence. All they are prepared to discuss is the severity of the punishment that will be inflicted. I have seen the "somebody will be going to jail for this" comments in several posts in this latest round of hysteria. Clearly, guilt is already well established.
These special snowflakes believe that because they disagree with 90% of the SC backers, they are automatically correct, because they are not part of the "herd". They consider themselves to be the elite, because they dare to challenge the status quo. Everyone knows that the mainstream is always wrong. No amount of disclosure will change their minds, only one outcome will satisfy them.
It's always easier to destroy than create, all you need is a box of matches and a dose of envy...
First of all I would like to say I don't want to BURN Star Citizen down. I want it to succeed. I just do not Believe Chris Roberts will ever deliver the game he promised. I can point to another Kickstarter where people Prayed that it would be delivered and shouted down all the naysayers despite all the evidence that was shown to them . It was a republish of a game called up front you can see it https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1325766284/up-front-the-card-game. Go to Board Game Geek and look up the game and look at the threads.
My point is that Chris Roberts is a Brilliant game designer. He is a not a proven company or business manager. In fact he has a history of over promising and under delivering. Even now he keep promising things he doesn't deliver. The FPS he said would be released LONG before now in fact at one point he said it would be released in three weeks. I have seen the reasons it wasn't released. All good reasons. Chris Roberts as the CEO should have known the game was not anywhere near where it needed to be and not promised something that would never happen. RSI and CIG need a good business management team Period. THAT is what I am saying.
no reason in arguing with the OP, he's just salty people are calling CIG/RSI and Chris Roberts out... therefore he's offended people are insulting a game (that still doesn't full exist yet) that he's invested into so therefore he'll keep making spam threads to white knight the sh!! outta star Citizen. Which is fine, nothing wrong with defending something your emotionally and financially attached to.
But he hasn't invested in the game. In his own words he has no interest in the game and won't be playing it lol.
Thing is this numtie has been posting for the last 24 hours about a game he has no interest in. Yeah he will tell you its all about Mr Smart.
If that's the case why hasn't this numtie started a thread in the ot forums about Mr Smart instead of a game forum he pretends to have no interest in.
Anyone who who takes this joker seriously can't claim that anyone who takes Mr Smart seriously is delusional.
First of all I would like to say I don't want to BURN Star Citizen down. I want it to succeed. I just do not Believe Chris Roberts will ever deliver the game he promised. I can point to another Kickstarter where people Prayed that it would be delivered and shouted down all the naysayers despite all the evidence that was shown to them . It was a republish of a game called up front you can see it https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1325766284/up-front-the-card-game. Go to Board Game Geek and look up the game and look at the threads.
My point is that Chris Roberts is a Brilliant game designer. He is a not a proven company or business manager. In fact he has a history of over promising and under delivering. Even now he keep promising things he doesn't deliver. The FPS he said would be released LONG before now in fact at one point he said it would be released in three weeks. I have seen the reasons it wasn't released. All good reasons. Chris Roberts as the CEO should have known the game was not anywhere near where it needed to be and not promised something that would never happen. RSI and CIG need a good business management team Period. THAT is what I am saying.
I WANT STAR CITIZEN TO SUCCEED!
Not everyone is a member of the certified internet barbarian tribe, lol
I don't know how your dilemma can be solved. You appear to want CR to be in control of the game design, but someone else (a good business management team) to be in control of the budget.
That would effectively mean that the management team would decide what Chris can and cannot do in the game design, because they control the money. Ironically, avoiding that scenario was one of the main reasons why CR resorted to crowdfunding in the first place. Chris would then have to launch a Kickstarter campaign to raise the funds to make the game that HE wants to make, and so on and so on...
"............Star Citizen, already 12 months into production"
That is a claim from an unnamed blogger on a website, not a quote from a Chris Roberts. Its a guess. NOT a fact.
It is not the first time that journalists/bloggers misunderstood and claimed dates that Chris Roberts never said (and it was not on the interview tapes).
What do you want to tell us with that link ?
When i announce that Zuse and his coworkers had already planned World of Warcraft in 1944 when they created the Z3, is that equally correct ? Because someone somewhere made a non-verifiable claim and that makes it valid ?!
Have fun
"At GDC Online Roberts also announced a program to bring his devotees and other interested parties much closer to the development process. A crowd funding site has been posted at www.robertsspaceindustries.com to help raise the necessary funds for completing development of the project. “Our purpose today,” said Roberts, “is to allow our fans to join us in this process early. It will likely be another two years before the full product is ready for release, but early backers will be able to play a version of the game a year from now."
Clearly not a quote from C. Roberts in October 2012 in that link, they made it up, Illuminati confirmed.
Hey, you know, if SC releases and is as promised I'll be paying for and playing it like the rest of you. Count me in, for sure. However, for me to spend X amount of dollars now, I'd have to see quite a bit more than what they've been able to show / release. I just think people are too eager to buy into hype, literally, and then they protect their ego by shunning any and all skepticism or criticism, as if what CR and crew are doing is above reproach. That's what leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
"At GDC Online Roberts also announced a program to bring his devotees and other interested parties much closer to the development process. A crowd funding site has been posted at www.robertsspaceindustries.com to help raise the necessary funds for completing development of the project. “Our purpose today,” said Roberts, “is to allow our fans to join us in this process early. It will likely be another two years before the full product is ready for release, but early backers will be able to play a version of the game a year from now."
Clearly not a quote from C. Roberts in October 2012 in that link, they made it up, Illuminati confirmed.
When I read quotes like this, I can't help but smile...
So fresh and naive and filled with enthusiasm ! Little did he know then that the path ahead would be a long and arduous one, filled with challenges and setbacks. I'm sure that unrealistic promise was made on the strength of his ample experience with building single-player games, because in 2012 CR had no experience of MMO development whatsoever afaik.
I'm sure that promised date was rescheduled at a later date, but I'll leave it to someone else to retrieve that little slice of info. It's great fun putting on blinkers and looking at only a narrow segment of history, isn't it ?
Comments
Not to mention that Starlancer was considered a successful game and Digital Anvil was a game he started 'on his own'.
Your explanation does not fit the agenda of the "Burn-down-SC-nao !" crowd, therefore it will be quietly ignored by them.
There seems to be a small group of people that want to destroy SC at all costs. They have already made up their minds that SC is a scam, vapourware, mismanaged, etc. and would like nothing more than to punish Chris Roberts for daring to launch a successful project.
They are not interested in debating the merits of the case, they have already passed sentence. All they are prepared to discuss is the severity of the punishment that will be inflicted. I have seen the "somebody will be going to jail for this" comments in several posts in this latest round of hysteria. Clearly, guilt is already well established.
These special snowflakes believe that because they disagree with 90% of the SC backers, they are automatically correct, because they are not part of the "herd". They consider themselves to be the elite, because they dare to challenge the status quo. Everyone knows that the mainstream is always wrong. No amount of disclosure will change their minds, only one outcome will satisfy them.
It's always easier to destroy than create, all you need is a box of matches and a dose of envy...
*** holds up a CO2 fire extinguisher and grins ***
Have fun
His point still stands considering that for the price of your extinguisher there could be a couple of hundred people with their cheapo matches. Can't be everywhere at once.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
Yes, there are gameplay videos of the "module". This module is smaller than most game demos I've seen. It's about the size of many proof of concept projects out there. In case you're not familiar with those, it's what a team of developers makes to show investors in the initial stages what they plan on creating/delivering. It's the earliest, smallest possible build of a demo.
The point you're droning on about above, that there is "no footage" is probably meant to mean no gameplay of a COMPLETE game. There is no complete game to be had, either in alpha, beta, or even "pre-alpha". The one and only thing that exists is this "tech demo" they call a module.
Most people in the industry would scoff at that term, and call it what it really is.
*** has his hand on the switch for the Halon dispenser ***
Yes we can ;-)
Have fun
You crazy gerbil.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Starlancer was designed by Warthog Games for Digital Anvil. Thus an out-house production.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Apparently they're showing off their first proper multi-crew ship at Gamescom next month, that should silence the rebelling rabble for a while. However the demo obviously comes with caveats and if history is anything to go by - see does not equal use, as shown by the FPS which was demoed in April with an ETA of 2 weeks but has disappeared for an undetermined time. I'm curious if there will be a discounted concept art sale for the newly revealed multi-crew ship?
Might give a nce taster of what they hope to accomplish but a demo means nothing to me until I can actually play it myself.
Even if they manage to show a good multicrew demo - and release it shortly after - the fanatical mob against this game will ignore it.
This isn't about justified scepticism, which I could appreciate when it comes to people who don't understand the challenge of developing perhaps the most ambitious video game of all time.
It's about being an ideal target for conspiracy theories and hate-fueled nutjobs who can do little but shout extremely loud.
Go ahead - ignore a few thousand gameplay videos of Star Citizen on Youtube, made available by gamers.
Only takes 5 seconds with Google.
Have fun
Not to mention that Starlancer was considered a successful game and Digital Anvil was a game he started 'on his own'.
Starlancer was designed by Warthog Games for Digital Anvil. Thus an out-house production.
Yes, Starlancer bears only the production house's name. He in no way made it. And if you think those videos are gameplay footage, your expectations are INCREDIBLY low. Gameplay footage is a polished, damn near finished portion of the game. It can be a tiny, few minute long experience where you get a feel of how the full game will be. These videos are nowhere near that. It's like claiming watching the audition tapes are a good way to know what a movie is about. You don't have to white knight for this game. It's QUITE OBVIOUS to apparently everyone but a few of you, that people are unhappy with the trajectory and lack of clear vision this game has. You don't have to run in and defend it everytime someone says they don't like something that is completely subjective. People can have differing opinions from yours. The world won't explode. True story.Why do people keep saying this? Goebbels has the answer: “It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition that a square is in fact a circle."
That's Perspective, even though the last one doesn't include development time before KS.
Thanks.
Edit:
http://www.bluesnews.com/s/135867/chris-roberts-star-citizen-announced
10 Oct 2012
"............Star Citizen, already 12 months into production"
Yes, it's standard practice for backers to "buy" the final version of a Kickstarter-funded game at the point where they pledge for the campaign. Nothing unusual about that in the slightest.
Didn't you know that ?
Or are you implying that games should not be allowed to be funded via Kickstarter ?
Neither does the graphic reflect the vastly expanded scope of the game that resulted from the string of stretch goals reached after the end of the highly successful Kickstarter campaign.
Given the eventual scope and complexity of SC, it's not unreasonable to compare it's development time to that of ESO, for instance.
So the correct launch date for SC will be 2011 + 7 years. I'd say they're actually ahead of schedule at this point !
That is a claim from an unnamed blogger on a website, not a quote from a Chris Roberts. Its a guess. NOT a fact.
It is not the first time that journalists/bloggers misunderstood and claimed dates that Chris Roberts never said (and it was not on the interview tapes).
What do you want to tell us with that link ?
When i announce that Zuse and his coworkers had already planned World of Warcraft in 1944 when they created the Z3, is that equally correct ? Because someone somewhere made a non-verifiable claim and that makes it valid ?!
Have fun
First of all I would like to say I don't want to BURN Star Citizen down. I want it to succeed. I just do not Believe Chris Roberts will ever deliver the game he promised. I can point to another Kickstarter where people Prayed that it would be delivered and shouted down all the naysayers despite all the evidence that was shown to them . It was a republish of a game called up front you can see it https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1325766284/up-front-the-card-game. Go to Board Game Geek and look up the game and look at the threads.
My point is that Chris Roberts is a Brilliant game designer. He is a not a proven company or business manager. In fact he has a history of over promising and under delivering. Even now he keep promising things he doesn't deliver. The FPS he said would be released LONG before now in fact at one point he said it would be released in three weeks. I have seen the reasons it wasn't released. All good reasons. Chris Roberts as the CEO should have known the game was not anywhere near where it needed to be and not promised something that would never happen. RSI and CIG need a good business management team Period. THAT is what I am saying.
I WANT STAR CITIZEN TO SUCCEED!
But he hasn't invested in the game. In his own words he has no interest in the game and won't be playing it lol.
Thing is this numtie has been posting for the last 24 hours about a game he has no interest in. Yeah he will tell you its all about Mr Smart.
If that's the case why hasn't this numtie started a thread in the ot forums about Mr Smart instead of a game forum he pretends to have no interest in.
Anyone who who takes this joker seriously can't claim that anyone who takes Mr Smart seriously is delusional.
Not everyone is a member of the certified internet barbarian tribe, lol
I don't know how your dilemma can be solved. You appear to want CR to be in control of the game design, but someone else (a good business management team) to be in control of the budget.
That would effectively mean that the management team would decide what Chris can and cannot do in the game design, because they control the money. Ironically, avoiding that scenario was one of the main reasons why CR resorted to crowdfunding in the first place. Chris would then have to launch a Kickstarter campaign to raise the funds to make the game that HE wants to make, and so on and so on...
"At GDC Online Roberts also announced a program to bring his devotees and other interested parties much closer to the development process. A crowd funding site has been posted at www.robertsspaceindustries.com to help raise the necessary funds for completing development of the project. “Our purpose today,” said Roberts, “is to allow our fans to join us in this process early. It will likely be another two years before the full product is ready for release, but early backers will be able to play a version of the game a year from now."
Clearly not a quote from C. Roberts in October 2012 in that link, they made it up, Illuminati confirmed.
Hey, you know, if SC releases and is as promised I'll be paying for and playing it like the rest of you. Count me in, for sure. However, for me to spend X amount of dollars now, I'd have to see quite a bit more than what they've been able to show / release. I just think people are too eager to buy into hype, literally, and then they protect their ego by shunning any and all skepticism or criticism, as if what CR and crew are doing is above reproach. That's what leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
When I read quotes like this, I can't help but smile...
So fresh and naive and filled with enthusiasm ! Little did he know then that the path ahead would be a long and arduous one, filled with challenges and setbacks. I'm sure that unrealistic promise was made on the strength of his ample experience with building single-player games, because in 2012 CR had no experience of MMO development whatsoever afaik.
I'm sure that promised date was rescheduled at a later date, but I'll leave it to someone else to retrieve that little slice of info. It's great fun putting on blinkers and looking at only a narrow segment of history, isn't it ?