It's Derek "Smart" making more threats, demands, and accusations. That's right, the infamous troll that has earned such a toxic reputation that most people who know of him will either immediately tune him out, or start popping the popcorn for the soap operatic disaster of demagoguery and miscast blame that he is so well known for.
I posted on this a long time ago and thought it was over already....disappointing it's back in the active posts...I know I'm just as bad by posting this but I feel it has to be said....DS is a self proclaimed troll if hes bored he will start shit on twitter or some random forums and watch the fireworks fly he said it himself... my only suggestion is take what he says and let it hit the wall on the other side of your head. He is a self proclaimed wind bag raging just feeds him so just do what the rest of the gaming industry does....ignore him....No court in there right mind would even hear a case like this if they did more than sure they would be laughed out of his/her own court room. His demands are just like a 9 year old who didn't get his ice cream
@ miser DS QQ crymore If I went around crying everytime a game company took my money and did the enron run I wouldn't have time to play games only post about how they all took my money so get over it rich boy.
I posted on this a long time ago and thought it was over already....disappointing it's back in the active posts...I know I'm just as bad by posting this but I feel it has to be said....DS is a self proclaimed troll if hes bored he will start shit on twitter or some random forums and watch the fireworks fly he said it himself... my only suggestion is take what he says and let it hit the wall on the other side of your head. He is a self proclaimed wind bag raging just feeds him so just do what the rest of the gaming industry does....ignore him....No court in there right mind would even hear a case like this if they did more than sure they would be laughed out of his/her own court room. His demands are just like a 9 year old who didn't get his ice cream
@ miser DS QQ crymore If I went around crying everytime a game company took my money and did the enron run I wouldn't have time to play games only post about how they all took my money so get over it rich boy.
See that is the problem right here. You act like 100M is nothing and it is ok you lost the little you put in. No it isn't ok and that is what we need to stop with this crowdfunding. There needs to be accountability.
Also this is exactly what I was talking about damage control and keep repeating DS is crazy and knows nothing he is just starting trouble and doesn't know anything. Heck this could be Roberts doing his own damage control.
Plus don't fool your self buddy when 100m is involved in the long run some people are going to start looking into it. More so when a game is close to releasing that has a lot of what SC promised. Plus more and more people are going to start asking questions.
He is just starting shit he never denies that he is just for the sake of doing so. I'm not fooling myself and I do think crowd funding needs to be held accountable. I never once defend SC for anything I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth or telling lies or trying to start shit I stated FACTS that DS himself has said in the past both on twitter, his own game forums and in many many interviews. DS is not crazy hes an a$$ And to be very clear if you think 100m is BIG money sorry its not game companies spend 2 and 3 times that on just making one game......
He is just starting shit he never denies that he is just for the sake of doing so. I'm not fooling myself and I do think crowd funding needs to be held accountable. I never once defend SC for anything I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth or telling lies or trying to start shit I stated FACTS that DS himself has said in the past both on twitter, his own game forums and in many many interviews. DS is not crazy hes an a$$ And to be very clear if you think 100m is BIG money sorry its not game companies spend 2 and 3 times that on just making one game......
Are you talking about 200-300 million to make a game or to make, market and all the other crap that comes with it?
And in the grand scheme of things 100 million is still a crap load of money but aside from that people should be looking into this regardless if the money raised is 1million, 100 million or 100K. CR promised accountability and transparency and while I dont expect him to publish the accounting books online, he could have easily ended this before it gained traction by letting the community know how the money is being spent with a small amount of proof shown.
He is just starting shit he never denies that he is just for the sake of doing so. I'm not fooling myself and I do think crowd funding needs to be held accountable. I never once defend SC for anything I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth or telling lies or trying to start shit I stated FACTS that DS himself has said in the past both on twitter, his own game forums and in many many interviews. DS is not crazy hes an a$$ And to be very clear if you think 100m is BIG money sorry its not game companies spend 2 and 3 times that on just making one game......
Yep they do but NOT with players cash. Big difference, and with comments made by an ex employee and other employees leaving the company doesn't look good. As for DS, even an a$$ gets it right once in a while. The way it looks he is on to something and to me it looks like embezzlement may just be going on in that company.
I find it amazing more people aren't asking for books to be opened. If Roberts has nothing to hide wouldn't that be the right thing to do?
So here is the deal, people. Derek Smart usual strategy is to mix truth with false so that you see the truth, find out is true, and then believe everything else.
Did he got the name right? Yes (He even named Sandi as Sandi instead of Sandra, amazing!). Lisa, James, Alyssa and Paul are all confirmed to have left or be leaving. He, however, did not name Tom Davies nor Jeffrey Parker, why not? Also the fact he got name rights DOES NOT mean they were fired on the spot by Sandi. We do not know why there were fired (or if they were fired at all), that is an unfounded accusation. Also note Alyssa's new Tweet:
Guys - don't believe everything you read on the internet. The sky isn't falling. Geez.
We do not know HOW he got the names. Maybe he was looking really closely at their Twitter and linkedin accounts and the change happened there first. I do not know that, you do not know that, no one knows that.
He said the Austin studio will be shut down and that CIG will do massive layoff in the coming months, however CIG JUST opened a new studio in Frankfurt. Is that what a company in financial trouble does? Open a new studio?
Isn't it instead more reasonable to assume that some of the stuff the Frankfurt studio is doing overlap with the previous studios and that is why we see some of the people leaving Or that the new Global Manager, Erin Roberts, is doing some reshuffling? Also there is no indication Austin is closing. Some people may leave, sure, but no news about the studio closing down, so.. unfounded assumption here again. Also note that the positions of those let go have been reposted.
Hard to say about the others, but CIG is currently seeking: 10 positions in Santa Monica 6 positions in Austin (a Studio closing down is seeking 6 more people to let them go in a couple of months? True, the postings are from July). 22 positions in Manchester 28 positions in Frankfurt.
Undeniably, they are looking for more people in Europe than in the US, is this strange? I do not know, but considering Erin Roberts is the new Global Coordinator and he lives in the UK, maybe that is why. Speculation.
He said the endeavor ship sale opened in the last 24 hours (on September 24, so would have opened on Sep. 23) but the Endeavor concept sale was scheduled at the earliest on Friday 25th and was always a "maybe". Now it has been delayed to Tuesday. Regardless of how you cut this, it is a straight up lie. Strange that someone with insight in the studio would not know this basic fact.
I have been sounding this warning bell since July. But I got incessantly
attacked for it, and I am still under attack as a result.
The rest are just unsourced, unconfirmed opinions or rumors, but because he got something right, then we should all believe all of it, right? Nope!
And let's not go into the all fact he claims the Star Citizen modules are broken and buggy when he never downloaded or played the game and he is not exactly the best judge in that field considering his own game, now is he?
Remember, CIG might not get everything right either. There surely have been delays, people left, changes in direction, but we also have deliverables in the form of 3 kick ass modules, weekly video shows, weekly Q&A on many different topics and so on and so forth. We even get EXTREMELY detailed studio reports every month and while it does not say concrete numbers, it is pretty evident to see where the money is going, ie. in making the game.
That is, unless you do not believe a word they say, in which case there isn't much they can do to convince you they are not, at least, malicious in their efforts.
Star Citizen might fail and if it does, it will bring the whole Crowdfunding part of the industry down with it. CitizenCon is on the 10th of October and the Baby PU is supposed to launch shortly after that. I hope it goes well, because that would surely show exactly what CIG has been working on, in the good or the bad.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
If not a single one of his ridiculous demands are met he will still have achieved everything he has set out to achieve. Nothing of which is actually included in his list of demands. That is a smoke screen that was done with throw away money and time.
Its pure self promotion baby, and he has succeeded on an epic scale.
LOL always back to DS. There are still big questions that need to be answered and it seems the only way they get any kind of response is back to DS. It's like don't look over here look here at DS!
@Volkmar so it doesn't concern you at all the money could be going overseas? Why the move to there? Why not bring his brother here, or better yet doesn't it bother you at all he is bring his brother into this? I mean 100m is a lot of money and it looks like he is spreading it around to family.
Personally I see no reason to go overseas,plus if anything wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
...wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
Well well, why would someone hire a producer, director and writer of some of the best space sims there ever were for a project such as Star Citizen ? Nah, not credible enough ... ;-)
...wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
Well well, why would someone hire a producer, director and writer of some of the best space sims there ever were for a project such as Star Citizen ? Nah, not credible enough ... ;-)
Have fun
Much as I hate to say this... You're right.
His brother is far more a professional than CR and the two seem to have worked together forever.
the question I have is regarding his wife and her fake credentials- EDIT- And if shes really in a position that isnt already being filled and just taking a paycheck and credit- Also I would be curious what both the brother and the wife are being paid and if its within the realm of reason or is a cash hand off.
We all know how many 'non profits " operate (even charities) by paying salaries of $35,000/month to certain people while begging for cash.
EDIT- Funny thing- IF this was a 'greedy" corporation OR a non-profit we would know these things, by law. Its that whole 'oversight" and 'accountability" problem.
LOL always back to DS. There are still big questions that need to be answered and it seems the only way they get any kind of response is back to DS. It's like don't look over here look here at DS!
@Volkmar so it doesn't concern you at all the money could be going overseas? Why the move to there? Why not bring his brother here, or better yet doesn't it bother you at all he is bring his brother into this? I mean 100m is a lot of money and it looks like he is spreading it around to family.
Personally I see no reason to go overseas,plus if anything wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
LoL always back to Roberts and the money, see how that works? So what you need to know here is the FTC has already said they don't see any problems. So this only ends one of two ways, either A; you let Roberts make the game like he's going to make it. Or B, you back DS and his "claims" which ends with him running the show by law.
Would you rather trust family members of Chris Roberts, or cohorts, and family of Derek Smart? Those are the real choices, because there's no 3rd party coming into this legally. I'm sticking with the guy who has experience which is Roberts, he might be hiring family members but I doubt he's paying them tons of money.
In the end Roberts is still going to have to play this game himself, and decide that he's willing to put it out as the game he's remembered by; if it's bad he has a ton to lose. DS on the other hand, has shown he has no issue trying to make people pay for, and play broken games. He'd lose nothing to his credibility as the guy who makes game shortcuts, that sit broken on your desktop.
Further on to your actual point, you see no reason to go overseas? You do know, there are people in the UK that donate to this game as well, and intend to be able to enjoy it the same as everyone else right? Either way you slice it both Roberts, and Smart, are from the UK so money would go there regardless.
People really need to get over this idea that just because they donated money, must mean they own something. If you want to be an investor, go to the stock market, not kickstarter.
LOL always back to DS. There are still big questions that need to be answered and it seems the only way they get any kind of response is back to DS. It's like don't look over here look here at DS!
@Volkmar so it doesn't concern you at all the money could be going overseas? Why the move to there? Why not bring his brother here, or better yet doesn't it bother you at all he is bring his brother into this? I mean 100m is a lot of money and it looks like he is spreading it around to family.
Personally I see no reason to go overseas,plus if anything wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
LoL always back to Roberts and the money, see how that works? So what you need to know here is the FTC has already said they don't see any problems. So this only ends one of two ways, either A; you let Roberts make the game like he's going to make it. Or B, you back DS and his "claims" which ends with him running the show by law.
Would you rather trust family members of Chris Roberts, or cohorts, and family of Derek Smart? Those are the real choices, because there's no 3rd party coming into this legally. I'm sticking with the guy who has experience which is Roberts, he might be hiring family members but I doubt he's paying them tons of money.
In the end Roberts is still going to have to play this game himself, and decide that he's willing to put it out as the game he's remembered by; if it's bad he has a ton to lose. DS on the other hand, has shown he has no issue trying to make people pay for, and play broken games. He'd lose nothing to his credibility as the guy who makes game shortcuts, that sit broken on your desktop.
Further on to your actual point, you see no reason to go overseas? You do know, there are people in the UK that donate to this game as well, and intend to be able to enjoy it the same as everyone else right? Either way you slice it both Roberts, and Smart, are from the UK so money would go there regardless.
People really need to get over this idea that just because they donated money, must mean they own something. If you want to be an investor, go to the stock market, not kickstarter.
where did the FTC say "they dont see any problem"- To "see a problem"one must first investigate to see if theres a problem or not.
Its my understanding that no investigation has happened as of yet- So where did I miss the news about the FTC not seeing a problem.
And yes, it always comes back to CR and the money- that IS what this is all about, not rainbows, unicorns and DS being an asshole.
I don't want to intrude since I don't really care (I'm just reading for the drama) but this thread is about CR and his game. Calling out DS games/credibility/etc excluding his accusations is obviously going out of topic.
Make another thread if you want to bash DS games/etc.
I don't want to intrude since I don't really care (I'm just reading for the drama) but this thread is about CR and his game. Calling out DS games/credibility/etc excluding his accusations is obviously going out of topic.
Make another thread if you want to bash DS games/etc.
Bye.
Going by the title of the thread, you'd be wrong. Cya
I don't want to intrude since I don't really care (I'm just reading for the drama) but this thread is about CR and his game. Calling out DS games/credibility/etc excluding his accusations is obviously going out of topic.
Make another thread if you want to bash DS games/etc.
Bye.
You are right, but Roberts has to make it all about crazy DS because he will never answer or show proof that DS is wrong or right. Of course that makes Roberts look guilty. I know if I was being attack by DS and I knew he was just making things up, first thing I would do is show proof he was wrong. Which in itself surprises me a lot and shows Roberts has something to hide.
LOL always back to DS. There are still big questions that need to be answered and it seems the only way they get any kind of response is back to DS. It's like don't look over here look here at DS!
@Volkmar so it doesn't concern you at all the money could be going overseas? Why the move to there? Why not bring his brother here, or better yet doesn't it bother you at all he is bring his brother into this? I mean 100m is a lot of money and it looks like he is spreading it around to family.
Personally I see no reason to go overseas,plus if anything wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
LoL always back to Roberts and the money, see how that works? So what you need to know here is the FTC has already said they don't see any problems. So this only ends one of two ways, either A; you let Roberts make the game like he's going to make it. Or B, you back DS and his "claims" which ends with him running the show by law.
Would you rather trust family members of Chris Roberts, or cohorts, and family of Derek Smart? Those are the real choices, because there's no 3rd party coming into this legally. I'm sticking with the guy who has experience which is Roberts, he might be hiring family members but I doubt he's paying them tons of money.
In the end Roberts is still going to have to play this game himself, and decide that he's willing to put it out as the game he's remembered by; if it's bad he has a ton to lose. DS on the other hand, has shown he has no issue trying to make people pay for, and play broken games. He'd lose nothing to his credibility as the guy who makes game shortcuts, that sit broken on your desktop.
Further on to your actual point, you see no reason to go overseas? You do know, there are people in the UK that donate to this game as well, and intend to be able to enjoy it the same as everyone else right? Either way you slice it both Roberts, and Smart, are from the UK so money would go there regardless.
People really need to get over this idea that just because they donated money, must mean they own something. If you want to be an investor, go to the stock market, not kickstarter.
where did the FTC say "they dont see any problem"- To "see a problem"one must first investigate to see if theres a problem or not.
Its my understanding that no investigation has happened as of yet- So where did I miss the news about the FTC not seeing a problem.
And yes, it always comes back to CR and the money- that IS what this is all about, not rainbows, unicorns and DS being an asshole.
Actually you're right no one has brought claims of any validity to warrant an investigation. It's all just pandering for publicity, and attention by DS and company. It's about Derek wanting that money, he doesn't really care how it's spent. It's a donation no one can tell them how they should spend it, as long as they deliver their promise of a playable game. Again it's not about the money, the money is just donated it wasn't an investment, the only thing you are investing money into kickstarter for is personal enjoyment. You don't own part of any ones company, you're just saying you will help give money for the hope of X result.
If I give money to a kickstarter for a new 4k camera design, I can't tell that guy how to run his camera company. All I care about is getting a camera.
All of these issues have been discussed at length in the other threads. New people who don't know Dereks history of trying to legally take controlling positions in companies he didn't start, will always be jumping on the bandwagon. He makes claims that seem legit to get people like yourself fighting for him. He's a known courtroom bandit.
the question I have is regarding his wife and her fake credentials
Just a single small detail ... who IS Chris Roberts wife ?
Not rumours (which claim its Sandi Gardiner), PROOF please !
No Trumpisms please ... just repeating something often enough to make it appear as "truth".
Have fun
Okay, lets take the 'wife' part away since you're right (cant prove it)
Why did she lie about her credentials , still be placed in a top tier position (that is a redundant position) and is still employed?
If they're streamlining dont you think folks who lied about their education and skills and fill a position that a media company is already filling would be #1 on the list to be "streamlined"-
I also think that 'rumor" is pretty credible but lets just stick to factsx.
Lies about education. Misrepresents her credentials to the community . Fills a job already provided by a very proficient media mogul . keeps job while ohers are losing their jobs due to "streamlining"...Not layoffs though lol.
thoughts about that?
EDIT- hey, I'm sure you know. the FPS module was delayed yet again... How many times now? I'm really surprised.
edit 2- Starting that 10 hour shift over in the EU with your smartphone? Bummer - Mondays are a bitch huh? hey, at least you have me here to talk to, right? i'll brighten your day.
Also, I lol'd at 'trumpisms' and im stealing that.
LOL always back to DS. There are still big questions that need to be answered and it seems the only way they get any kind of response is back to DS. It's like don't look over here look here at DS!
@Volkmar so it doesn't concern you at all the money could be going overseas? Why the move to there? Why not bring his brother here, or better yet doesn't it bother you at all he is bring his brother into this? I mean 100m is a lot of money and it looks like he is spreading it around to family.
Personally I see no reason to go overseas,plus if anything wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
Why should I be worried about them investing in EU when Erin Roberts live there? Also MMOs very often tend to have an office in the US and one in the EU at the very least, so that they can have local servers to cater for their population.
Also Germans are apparently crazy for Space Sims and they were the country with the highest Star citizens per million of population at one point (I have no recent data, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone that Germany is one of their core markets).
Crytek is in Germany, Gamescom is Star Citizen biggest convention since the start, so.. makes a lot of sense to me to have offices in the EU.
Others have already pointed out how Erin Roberts is a very competent game developer who actually never left the game industry and was responsible for some really cool games like some of the LEGO titles. Also they were working together about all the time when Chris Roberts was working in games, so it makes sense he would like to work with his old colleagues, same reason why Erik Peterson and others worked on Star Citizen, cause they knew and worked with Chris Roberts in the past.
But this is beside the point. CIG is a private company and who they hire or not hire is their own business. Same as their financial records. I see so many saying "If they have nothing to hide, then they should open their books!" and there is so much wrong with that statement, here are at least 3 points:
1) If you do, you set a precedent that all other Crowdfunded, private, not publicly traded companies will be expected to follow even if the law does not say you have to.
2) It takes a great deal of time and effort to clean their financial books of private information just so they can show it to the backers, who will most likely not understand even 10% of what is written there. This "time" is of course "money".
3) Regardless of what is in the books, someone will take it and run with it claiming they did something wrong cause they used company money to pay for breakfast during their stay in Cologne.
So "open their books!" to me means "delay the game even further and spend money on this useless thing that will not satisfy anyone". I will rather let the game speaks for itself. Citizencon is in less than 2 weeks, the baby PU should be out shortly after and that will be the best indicator of where Star Citizen is. If it is a colossal failure, fine, ask your refund. If it is a great success, I could not care less if Chris Roberts is married to a cow from Mars.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I don't want to intrude since I don't really care (I'm just reading for the drama) but this thread is about CR and his game. Calling out DS games/credibility/etc excluding his accusations is obviously going out of topic.
Make another thread if you want to bash DS games/etc.
Bye.
You are right, but Roberts has to make it all about crazy DS because he will never answer or show proof that DS is wrong or right. Of course that makes Roberts look guilty. I know if I was being attack by DS and I knew he was just making things up, first thing I would do is show proof he was wrong. Which in itself surprises me a lot and shows Roberts has something to hide.
Whoa!! Ok, Either you're late to the show and completely off base or I missed something. I don't believe that Chris Roberts EVER made this "all about crazy DS". The Internet made it about DS. CR said he better come up with some better proof than baseless accusations (in a private letter in response to HIS own letter) or he'd be the one to fund whatever else is needed to finish SC, through the courts. I don't know how responding to Derek Smart's accusations through your legal counsel is making it "all about crazy DS"
Oh, and NO, the first thing you do, as a company owner, in response to accusations like this is NOT to give proof. You don't open your books to ever whining, bitching customer. They aren't a public company. They don't need to be accountable to anyone, about anything. What I think is funny is that Google can spend $80 million dollars a year on food for their employees (which cuts into shareholder dividends, by the way), but we want someone to open their books who isn't even a publicly-traded company. If it was me, I'd have a middle finger in my pocket, ready for each and every one of the people complaining.
ROFL, this is getting more hilarious all the time. It is like Roberts set this all up to be some Superman who even kryptonite can't touch. It is almost once the money started rolling in he set things up to benefit him and be untouchable.
ROFL, this is getting more hilarious all the time. It is like Roberts set this all up to be some Superman who even kryptonite can't touch. It is almost once the money started rolling in he set things up to benefit him and be untouchable.
I agree about it getting hilarious. I almost think that some people *pointing at you* don't think about how hilariously ridiculous their posts sound. I would NOT be surprised if you're making these posts from your own personal fallout shelter. I don't know why everything needs to be a conspiracy theory with fucking Americans. I'm really sorry if that's over-generalization, but if more Americans just took some time to think about what the fuck they're saying, they might just see how ridiculous they sound.
Think about what you're saying. You're talking as though CR, with $80 whole million dollars, set up the Internet to make himself untouchable. You do realize how improbable, or impossible, that is, right? In addition to that, CR has hundreds of employees who are burning cash on a monthly basis. Additionally, there are operational costs. If CR was buying the Internet, he would already be out of money.
Please try to get past your "crazy" and inject some logic into your posts.
ROFL, this is getting more hilarious all the time. It is like Roberts set this all up to be some Superman who even kryptonite can't touch. It is almost once the money started rolling in he set things up to benefit him and be untouchable.
I agree about it getting hilarious. I almost think that some people *pointing at you* don't think about how hilariously ridiculous their posts sound. I would NOT be surprised if you're making these posts from your own personal fallout shelter. I don't know why everything needs to be a conspiracy theory with fucking Americans. I'm really sorry if that's over-generalization, but if more Americans just took some time to think about what the fuck they're saying, they might just see how ridiculous they sound.
Think about what you're saying. You're talking as though CR, with $80 whole million dollars, set up the Internet to make himself untouchable. You do realize how improbable, or impossible, that is, right? In addition to that, CR has hundreds of employees who are burning cash on a monthly basis. Additionally, there are operational costs. If CR was buying the Internet, he would already be out of money.
Please try to get past your "crazy" and inject some logic into your posts.
OH I am, and your very own posts make it sound like he is untouchable. Yet the next post you make says he isn't and it sounds crazy. I love how you start swearing to try to make a point. That alone shows ignorance. Not only that but now you want to say am crazy, that is really getting old. Really amazing when someone takes a side that really shows Roberts is the corrupt one in this whole mess. They are marked as crazy. Well guess I will wear that badge with pride.
The one thing we just need to do is very simple! Just follow the money and it looks like it is headed overseas and to Roberts and his family. Only crazy thing in this whole mess are the people protecting Roberts. :-D
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Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
@ miser DS QQ crymore If I went around crying everytime a game company took my money and did the enron run I wouldn't have time to play games only post about how they all took my money so get over it rich boy.
Also this is exactly what I was talking about damage control and keep repeating DS is crazy and knows nothing he is just starting trouble and doesn't know anything. Heck this could be Roberts doing his own damage control.
Plus don't fool your self buddy when 100m is involved in the long run some people are going to start looking into it. More so when a game is close to releasing that has a lot of what SC promised. Plus more and more people are going to start asking questions.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
He is just starting shit he never denies that he is just for the sake of doing so.
I'm not fooling myself and I do think crowd funding needs to be held accountable.
I never once defend SC for anything
I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth or telling lies or trying to start shit I stated FACTS that DS himself has said in the past both on twitter, his own game forums and in many many interviews.
DS is not crazy hes an a$$
And to be very clear if you think 100m is BIG money sorry its not game companies spend 2 and 3 times that on just making one game......
And in the grand scheme of things 100 million is still a crap load of money but aside from that people should be looking into this regardless if the money raised is 1million, 100 million or 100K. CR promised accountability and transparency and while I dont expect him to publish the accounting books online, he could have easily ended this before it gained traction by letting the community know how the money is being spent with a small amount of proof shown.
I find it amazing more people aren't asking for books to be opened. If Roberts has nothing to hide wouldn't that be the right thing to do?
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Derek Smart usual strategy is to mix truth with false so that you see the truth, find out is true, and then believe everything else.
Did he got the name right? Yes (He even named Sandi as Sandi instead of Sandra, amazing!). Lisa, James, Alyssa and Paul are all confirmed to have left or be leaving. He, however, did not name Tom Davies nor Jeffrey Parker, why not? Also the fact he got name rights DOES NOT mean they were fired on the spot by Sandi. We do not know why there were fired (or if they were fired at all), that is an unfounded accusation. Also note Alyssa's new Tweet:
Source: https://twitter.com/AlyssaDelo
We do not know HOW he got the names. Maybe he was looking really closely at their Twitter and linkedin accounts and the change happened there first. I do not know that, you do not know that, no one knows that.
He said the Austin studio will be shut down and that CIG will do massive layoff in the coming months, however CIG JUST opened a new studio in Frankfurt. Is that what a company in financial trouble does? Open a new studio?
Isn't it instead more reasonable to assume that some of the stuff the Frankfurt studio is doing overlap with the previous studios and that is why we see some of the people leaving Or that the new Global Manager, Erin Roberts, is doing some reshuffling? Also there is no indication Austin is closing. Some people may leave, sure, but no news about the studio closing down, so.. unfounded assumption here again. Also note that the positions of those let go have been reposted.
Source: http://imgur.com/JsGzYbx
Hard to say about the others, but CIG is currently seeking:
10 positions in Santa Monica
6 positions in Austin (a Studio closing down is seeking 6 more people to let them go in a couple of months? True, the postings are from July).
22 positions in Manchester
28 positions in Frankfurt.
Undeniably, they are looking for more people in Europe than in the US, is this strange? I do not know, but considering Erin Roberts is the new Global Coordinator and he lives in the UK, maybe that is why. Speculation.
He said the endeavor ship sale opened in the last 24 hours (on September 24, so would have opened on Sep. 23) but the Endeavor concept sale was scheduled at the earliest on Friday 25th and was always a "maybe". Now it has been delayed to Tuesday. Regardless of how you cut this, it is a straight up lie. Strange that someone with insight in the studio would not know this basic fact.
Nope. You started in February 2014
Source: http://i.imgur.com/4paFjDM.jpg
The rest are just unsourced, unconfirmed opinions or rumors, but because he got something right, then we should all believe all of it, right? Nope!
And let's not go into the all fact he claims the Star Citizen modules are broken and buggy when he never downloaded or played the game and he is not exactly the best judge in that field considering his own game, now is he?
Remember, CIG might not get everything right either. There surely have been delays, people left, changes in direction, but we also have deliverables in the form of 3 kick ass modules, weekly video shows, weekly Q&A on many different topics and so on and so forth. We even get EXTREMELY detailed studio reports every month and while it does not say concrete numbers, it is pretty evident to see where the money is going, ie. in making the game.
That is, unless you do not believe a word they say, in which case there isn't much they can do to convince you they are not, at least, malicious in their efforts.
Star Citizen might fail and if it does, it will bring the whole Crowdfunding part of the industry down with it.
CitizenCon is on the 10th of October and the Baby PU is supposed to launch shortly after that. I hope it goes well, because that would surely show exactly what CIG has been working on, in the good or the bad.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Its pure self promotion baby, and he has succeeded on an epic scale.
@Volkmar so it doesn't concern you at all the money could be going overseas? Why the move to there? Why not bring his brother here, or better yet doesn't it bother you at all he is bring his brother into this? I mean 100m is a lot of money and it looks like he is spreading it around to family.
Personally I see no reason to go overseas,plus if anything wouldn't it be more sensible with everything going on to bring someone in with credibility? His brother is certainly not that and makes it look more of a scam to move money around.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
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Well well, why would someone hire a producer, director and writer of some of the best space sims there ever were for a project such as Star Citizen ? Nah, not credible enough ... ;-)
Have fun
His brother is far more a professional than CR and the two seem to have worked together forever.
the question I have is regarding his wife and her fake credentials- EDIT- And if shes really in a position that isnt already being filled and just taking a paycheck and credit- Also I would be curious what both the brother and the wife are being paid and if its within the realm of reason or is a cash hand off.
We all know how many 'non profits " operate (even charities) by paying salaries of $35,000/month to certain people while begging for cash.
EDIT- Funny thing- IF this was a 'greedy" corporation OR a non-profit we would know these things, by law. Its that whole 'oversight" and 'accountability" problem.
Would you rather trust family members of Chris Roberts, or cohorts, and family of Derek Smart? Those are the real choices, because there's no 3rd party coming into this legally. I'm sticking with the guy who has experience which is Roberts, he might be hiring family members but I doubt he's paying them tons of money.
In the end Roberts is still going to have to play this game himself, and decide that he's willing to put it out as the game he's remembered by; if it's bad he has a ton to lose. DS on the other hand, has shown he has no issue trying to make people pay for, and play broken games. He'd lose nothing to his credibility as the guy who makes game shortcuts, that sit broken on your desktop.
Further on to your actual point, you see no reason to go overseas? You do know, there are people in the UK that donate to this game as well, and intend to be able to enjoy it the same as everyone else right? Either way you slice it both Roberts, and Smart, are from the UK so money would go there regardless.
People really need to get over this idea that just because they donated money, must mean they own something. If you want to be an investor, go to the stock market, not kickstarter.
Its my understanding that no investigation has happened as of yet- So where did I miss the news about the FTC not seeing a problem.
And yes, it always comes back to CR and the money- that IS what this is all about, not rainbows, unicorns and DS being an asshole.
Make another thread if you want to bash DS games/etc.
Bye.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
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Actually you're right no one has brought claims of any validity to warrant an investigation. It's all just pandering for publicity, and attention by DS and company. It's about Derek wanting that money, he doesn't really care how it's spent. It's a donation no one can tell them how they should spend it, as long as they deliver their promise of a playable game. Again it's not about the money, the money is just donated it wasn't an investment, the only thing you are investing money into kickstarter for is personal enjoyment. You don't own part of any ones company, you're just saying you will help give money for the hope of X result.
If I give money to a kickstarter for a new 4k camera design, I can't tell that guy how to run his camera company. All I care about is getting a camera.
All of these issues have been discussed at length in the other threads. New people who don't know Dereks history of trying to legally take controlling positions in companies he didn't start, will always be jumping on the bandwagon. He makes claims that seem legit to get people like yourself fighting for him. He's a known courtroom bandit.
Not rumours (which claim its Sandi Gardiner), PROOF please !
No Trumpisms please ... just repeating something often enough to make it appear as "truth".
Have fun
Why did she lie about her credentials , still be placed in a top tier position (that is a redundant position) and is still employed?
If they're streamlining dont you think folks who lied about their education and skills and fill a position that a media company is already filling would be #1 on the list to be "streamlined"-
I also think that 'rumor" is pretty credible but lets just stick to factsx.
Lies about education. Misrepresents her credentials to the community . Fills a job already provided by a very proficient media mogul . keeps job while ohers are losing their jobs due to "streamlining"...Not layoffs though lol.
thoughts about that?
EDIT- hey, I'm sure you know. the FPS module was delayed yet again... How many times now? I'm really surprised.
edit 2- Starting that 10 hour shift over in the EU with your smartphone? Bummer - Mondays are a bitch huh? hey, at least you have me here to talk to, right? i'll brighten your day.
Also, I lol'd at 'trumpisms' and im stealing that.
Also MMOs very often tend to have an office in the US and one in the EU at the very least, so that they can have local servers to cater for their population.
Also Germans are apparently crazy for Space Sims and they were the country with the highest Star citizens per million of population at one point (I have no recent data, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone that Germany is one of their core markets).
Crytek is in Germany, Gamescom is Star Citizen biggest convention since the start, so.. makes a lot of sense to me to have offices in the EU.
Others have already pointed out how Erin Roberts is a very competent game developer who actually never left the game industry and was responsible for some really cool games like some of the LEGO titles. Also they were working together about all the time when Chris Roberts was working in games, so it makes sense he would like to work with his old colleagues, same reason why Erik Peterson and others worked on Star Citizen, cause they knew and worked with Chris Roberts in the past.
Erin Roberts' games: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,23689/
But this is beside the point. CIG is a private company and who they hire or not hire is their own business. Same as their financial records. I see so many saying "If they have nothing to hide, then they should open their books!" and there is so much wrong with that statement, here are at least 3 points:
1) If you do, you set a precedent that all other Crowdfunded, private, not publicly traded companies will be expected to follow even if the law does not say you have to.
2) It takes a great deal of time and effort to clean their financial books of private information just so they can show it to the backers, who will most likely not understand even 10% of what is written there. This "time" is of course "money".
3) Regardless of what is in the books, someone will take it and run with it claiming they did something wrong cause they used company money to pay for breakfast during their stay in Cologne.
So "open their books!" to me means "delay the game even further and spend money on this useless thing that will not satisfy anyone". I will rather let the game speaks for itself. Citizencon is in less than 2 weeks, the baby PU should be out shortly after and that will be the best indicator of where Star Citizen is. If it is a colossal failure, fine, ask your refund. If it is a great success, I could not care less if Chris Roberts is married to a cow from Mars.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Whoa!! Ok, Either you're late to the show and completely off base or I missed something. I don't believe that Chris Roberts EVER made this "all about crazy DS". The Internet made it about DS. CR said he better come up with some better proof than baseless accusations (in a private letter in response to HIS own letter) or he'd be the one to fund whatever else is needed to finish SC, through the courts. I don't know how responding to Derek Smart's accusations through your legal counsel is making it "all about crazy DS"
Oh, and NO, the first thing you do, as a company owner, in response to accusations like this is NOT to give proof. You don't open your books to ever whining, bitching customer. They aren't a public company. They don't need to be accountable to anyone, about anything. What I think is funny is that Google can spend $80 million dollars a year on food for their employees (which cuts into shareholder dividends, by the way), but we want someone to open their books who isn't even a publicly-traded company. If it was me, I'd have a middle finger in my pocket, ready for each and every one of the people complaining.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I agree about it getting hilarious. I almost think that some people *pointing at you* don't think about how hilariously ridiculous their posts sound. I would NOT be surprised if you're making these posts from your own personal fallout shelter. I don't know why everything needs to be a conspiracy theory with fucking Americans. I'm really sorry if that's over-generalization, but if more Americans just took some time to think about what the fuck they're saying, they might just see how ridiculous they sound.
Think about what you're saying. You're talking as though CR, with $80 whole million dollars, set up the Internet to make himself untouchable. You do realize how improbable, or impossible, that is, right? In addition to that, CR has hundreds of employees who are burning cash on a monthly basis. Additionally, there are operational costs. If CR was buying the Internet, he would already be out of money.
Please try to get past your "crazy" and inject some logic into your posts.
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The one thing we just need to do is very simple! Just follow the money and it looks like it is headed overseas and to Roberts and his family. Only crazy thing in this whole mess are the people protecting Roberts. :-D
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!