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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited December 2015
    Kiyoris said:
    Shodanas said:
    So, you're linking us a 5 second snippet showing someone moving outside a space station / vehicle and stating that this is boring "gameplay".
    You think the full video of the character floating in space for 10 minutes would be more exciting? It's the way I presented it that made it boring?
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.  To me, they actually look like something I would be interested in playing, which is why I am here.  I like hardcore Newtonian space sims, with some limitations, but to me this type of game has a different 'payoff' than, say, After Burner.

    Why I find CIG/RSI/SC appalling is mainly for the exorbitant prices they are attaching to their "spacecraft" and the way their administration / community seem to go out of their way to quell any negative feedback from without or within.  It's not a good mix.

    @SEANMCAD if you were looking for any mention of the word "discriminatory" in the article you've referenced many times ITT it's here, on page 1.  It might be good to, you know, read the articles you are debating?

    I'm not ignoring your claim about CIG having a "lot" of older people on their payroll, but I'm also not debating it; to me it seems obvious that having people of a certain age group or minority on your payroll doesn't make it "OK" to implement a toxic, discriminatory work environment.
    on the link you provided me that page has zero references to the word 'discrimination' and only one reference to the word 'discriminatory'

    so yes, if yo are seeing something different I would like to learn how one is supposed to read news articles.

    to be clear this is the link in question
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

    that is what you have linked above and that is what I did a text search on...nothing

    also to be clear I have in multiple articles and in a video the word Age Discrimination is used and yet its not in the article. so what is happening exactly?

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited December 2015
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.
    It's not gameplay, it's not being able to design good gameplay.

    People falling out of bugged ships and floating in space for 40 minutes to get back into their ship.

    They have $100 million, but don't know how to make a game with engaging gameplay it seems. So now you have a metagame of whales outbidding each other with thousand $ ships.




    here is some shooting gameplay, it's incredibly monotonous and poor


  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited December 2015
    Kiyoris said:
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.
    It's not gameplay, it's not being able to design good gameplay.

    People falling out of ships and floating in space for 40 minutes to get back into their ship.

    They have $100 million, but don't know how to make a game with engaging gameplay it seems. So now you have a metagame of whales outbidding each other with thousand $ ships.




    here is some shooting gameplay, it's incredibly monotonous and poor


    so to you game design in not subjective.

    Well I would like to have some fun with that.

    although I should admit I have some pretty non-subjective views on game deisgn myself to be fair

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited December 2015
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Kiyoris said:
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
    well to be fair you are extreemly transparent.

    you might think we dont know but we do

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    SEANMCAD said:
    so to you game design in not subjective.
    No, I don't think it is. I think they spend tons of time on graphics and the meta game of selling ships, and simply don't know how to make good gameplay.

    Making good gamplay is much harder than making some 3D models.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Kiyoris said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    so to you game design in not subjective.
    No, I don't think it is. I think they spend tons of time on graphics and the meta game of selling ships, and simply don't know how to make good gameplay.

    Making good gamplay is much harder than making some 3D models.
    agreed

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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Kiyoris said:
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
    The gifs you use as signature show that you're just a biased hater with 0 interest to criticism or valid arguments.

    You're here to write your piece no matter what. So, go ahead knock yourself out.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited December 2015
    Shodanas said:
    Kiyoris said:
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
    The gifs you use as signature show that you're just a biased hater with 0 interest to criticism or valid arguments.

    You're here to write your piece no matter what. So, go ahead knock yourself out.
    transparency dead giveaway.

    but we can all pretend his comments are not biased

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    SEANMCAD said:
    Shodanas said:
    Kiyoris said:
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
    The gifs you use as signature show that you're just a biased hater with 0 interest to criticism or valid arguments.

    You're here to write your piece no matter what. So, go ahead knock yourself out.
    transparency dead giveaway.

    but we can all pretend his comments are not biased
    Of course he is biased. He thinks the game looks boring. Are people not allowed to think the game looks boring?
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    Shodanas said:
    Kiyoris said:
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
    The gifs you use as signature show that you're just a biased hater with 0 interest to criticism or valid arguments.

    You're here to write your piece no matter what. So, go ahead knock yourself out.
    transparency dead giveaway.

    but we can all pretend his comments are not biased
    Of course he is biased. He thinks the game looks boring. Are people not allowed to think the game looks boring?
    lol....

    again with the transparency.

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  • Colt47Colt47 Member UncommonPosts: 549
    Even if someone were to say the gameplay is boring right now, the aspects of that gameplay are still early in development with a lot of placeholder stuff there to keep things glued together.  It's the same kind of problem Shroud of the Avatar has at the moment, which is also coming along slowly.

    For myself, I'm reserving my opinions on the game until it finally gets released.  It's just a long way off at the moment.  Mighty Number 9 on the other hand...
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Shodanas said:
    Kiyoris said:
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
    The gifs you use as signature show that you're just a biased hater with 0 interest to criticism or valid arguments.

    You're here to write your piece no matter what. So, go ahead knock yourself out.
    transparency dead giveaway.

    but we can all pretend his comments are not biased
    Of course he is biased. He thinks the game looks boring. Are people not allowed to think the game looks boring?
    lol....

    again with the transparency.
    I know that English must be a second language to you, but do you know what transparency means?
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    SEANMCAD said:
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.  To me, they actually look like something I would be interested in playing, which is why I am here.  I like hardcore Newtonian space sims, with some limitations, but to me this type of game has a different 'payoff' than, say, After Burner.

    Why I find CIG/RSI/SC appalling is mainly for the exorbitant prices they are attaching to their "spacecraft" and the way their administration / community seem to go out of their way to quell any negative feedback from without or within.  It's not a good mix.

    @SEANMCAD if you were looking for any mention of the word "discriminatory" in the article you've referenced many times ITT it's here, on page 1.  It might be good to, you know, read the articles you are debating?

    I'm not ignoring your claim about CIG having a "lot" of older people on their payroll, but I'm also not debating it; to me it seems obvious that having people of a certain age group or minority on your payroll doesn't make it "OK" to implement a toxic, discriminatory work environment.
    on the link you provided me that page has zero references to the word 'discrimination' and only one reference to the word 'discriminatory'

    so yes, if yo are seeing something different I would like to learn how one is supposed to read news articles.

    to be clear this is the link in question
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

    that is what you have linked above and that is what I did a text search on...nothing

    also to be clear I have in multiple articles and in a video the word Age Discrimination is used and yet its not in the article. so what is happening exactly?
    I'm honestly not sure where you are going with this. He did in fact say discriminatory in his post but you read it as discrimination somehow I guess?

    I guess it lends credence to Phaserlight's point about you not reading things lol
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Kefo said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.  To me, they actually look like something I would be interested in playing, which is why I am here.  I like hardcore Newtonian space sims, with some limitations, but to me this type of game has a different 'payoff' than, say, After Burner.

    Why I find CIG/RSI/SC appalling is mainly for the exorbitant prices they are attaching to their "spacecraft" and the way their administration / community seem to go out of their way to quell any negative feedback from without or within.  It's not a good mix.

    @SEANMCAD if you were looking for any mention of the word "discriminatory" in the article you've referenced many times ITT it's here, on page 1.  It might be good to, you know, read the articles you are debating?

    I'm not ignoring your claim about CIG having a "lot" of older people on their payroll, but I'm also not debating it; to me it seems obvious that having people of a certain age group or minority on your payroll doesn't make it "OK" to implement a toxic, discriminatory work environment.
    on the link you provided me that page has zero references to the word 'discrimination' and only one reference to the word 'discriminatory'

    so yes, if yo are seeing something different I would like to learn how one is supposed to read news articles.

    to be clear this is the link in question
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

    that is what you have linked above and that is what I did a text search on...nothing

    also to be clear I have in multiple articles and in a video the word Age Discrimination is used and yet its not in the article. so what is happening exactly?
    I'm honestly not sure where you are going with this. He did in fact say discriminatory in his post but you read it as discrimination somehow I guess?

    I guess it lends credence to Phaserlight's point about you not reading things lol
    either word it does not matter.

    The point is the article does not mention Age Discrimination however at least 2 articles that refer to this link as a source DO mention it. So...are those articles liying or did escapist change the story?


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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited December 2015

    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Shodanas said:
    Kiyoris said:
    lol at whoever reported me for saying the word

    "boring"

    it's a shame you can't see who reports you
    The gifs you use as signature show that you're just a biased hater with 0 interest to criticism or valid arguments.

    You're here to write your piece no matter what. So, go ahead knock yourself out.
    transparency dead giveaway.

    but we can all pretend his comments are not biased
    Of course he is biased. He thinks the game looks boring. Are people not allowed to think the game looks boring?
    lol....

    again with the transparency.
    I know that English must be a second language to you, but do you know what transparency means?
    I have no idea what it means but it means that sometimes people think they are fooling other people but more often then not they are not fooling anyone people are just playing along

    digest THAT! :)

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Shodanas said:
    So, you're linking us a 5 second snippet showing someone moving outside a space station / vehicle and stating that this is boring "gameplay".
    You think the full video of the character floating in space for 10 minutes would be more exciting? It's the way I presented it that made it boring?
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.  To me, they actually look like something I would be interested in playing, which is why I am here.  I like hardcore Newtonian space sims, with some limitations, but to me this type of game has a different 'payoff' than, say, After Burner.

    Why I find CIG/RSI/SC appalling is mainly for the exorbitant prices they are attaching to their "spacecraft" and the way their administration / community seem to go out of their way to quell any negative feedback from without or within.  It's not a good mix.

    @SEANMCAD if you were looking for any mention of the word "discriminatory" in the article you've referenced many times ITT it's here, on page 1.  It might be good to, you know, read the articles you are debating?

    I'm not ignoring your claim about CIG having a "lot" of older people on their payroll, but I'm also not debating it; to me it seems obvious that having people of a certain age group or minority on your payroll doesn't make it "OK" to implement a toxic, discriminatory work environment.
    on the link you provided me that page has zero references to the word 'discrimination' and only one reference to the word 'discriminatory'

    so yes, if yo are seeing something different I would like to learn how one is supposed to read news articles.

    to be clear this is the link in question
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

    that is what you have linked above and that is what I did a text search on...nothing

    also to be clear I have in multiple articles and in a video the word Age Discrimination is used and yet its not in the article. so what is happening exactly?
    So, apparently "read" means to you "do a page search for a word and tally the results... possibly including immediate context"

    I see...

    ...

    ...



    @Kiyoris I'm not saying you're wrong, but initially you were talking about general gameplay, not problems with bounding and/or bugs.  I've been part of a game for a very long time where I've seen this type of Newtonian space shooting gameplay work very effectively... so I guess I have faith that yes, it can be done.  That they are trying to include the layer of people inside the ships also is just... awesome.

    That said, regarding the bugs, 100 mil, and what has become the SC metagame, I very much agree.

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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kefo said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.  To me, they actually look like something I would be interested in playing, which is why I am here.  I like hardcore Newtonian space sims, with some limitations, but to me this type of game has a different 'payoff' than, say, After Burner.

    Why I find CIG/RSI/SC appalling is mainly for the exorbitant prices they are attaching to their "spacecraft" and the way their administration / community seem to go out of their way to quell any negative feedback from without or within.  It's not a good mix.

    @SEANMCAD if you were looking for any mention of the word "discriminatory" in the article you've referenced many times ITT it's here, on page 1.  It might be good to, you know, read the articles you are debating?

    I'm not ignoring your claim about CIG having a "lot" of older people on their payroll, but I'm also not debating it; to me it seems obvious that having people of a certain age group or minority on your payroll doesn't make it "OK" to implement a toxic, discriminatory work environment.
    on the link you provided me that page has zero references to the word 'discrimination' and only one reference to the word 'discriminatory'

    so yes, if yo are seeing something different I would like to learn how one is supposed to read news articles.

    to be clear this is the link in question
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

    that is what you have linked above and that is what I did a text search on...nothing

    also to be clear I have in multiple articles and in a video the word Age Discrimination is used and yet its not in the article. so what is happening exactly?
    I'm honestly not sure where you are going with this. He did in fact say discriminatory in his post but you read it as discrimination somehow I guess?

    I guess it lends credence to Phaserlight's point about you not reading things lol
    either word it does not matter.

    The point is the article does not mention Age Discrimination however at least 2 articles that refer to this link as a source DO mention it. So...are those articles liying or did escapist change the story?


    The escapist article does mention age discrimination on the first page just like phaser said
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    SEANMCAD said:
    I have no idea what it means but it means that sometimes people think they are fooling other people but more often then not they are not fooling anyone people are just playing along

    digest THAT! :)
    Ummm... you're correct in assuming that what you said was difficult to digest. The lack of punctuation doesn't help. Are you trying to fool people? Are you trying to claim I am fooling people?

    Are you accusing everyone that disagrees with you of being insincere? Your point of view is the only sincere one and everyone else is just "playing along"?
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Kefo said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kefo said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.  To me, they actually look like something I would be interested in playing, which is why I am here.  I like hardcore Newtonian space sims, with some limitations, but to me this type of game has a different 'payoff' than, say, After Burner.

    Why I find CIG/RSI/SC appalling is mainly for the exorbitant prices they are attaching to their "spacecraft" and the way their administration / community seem to go out of their way to quell any negative feedback from without or within.  It's not a good mix.

    @SEANMCAD if you were looking for any mention of the word "discriminatory" in the article you've referenced many times ITT it's here, on page 1.  It might be good to, you know, read the articles you are debating?

    I'm not ignoring your claim about CIG having a "lot" of older people on their payroll, but I'm also not debating it; to me it seems obvious that having people of a certain age group or minority on your payroll doesn't make it "OK" to implement a toxic, discriminatory work environment.
    on the link you provided me that page has zero references to the word 'discrimination' and only one reference to the word 'discriminatory'

    so yes, if yo are seeing something different I would like to learn how one is supposed to read news articles.

    to be clear this is the link in question
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

    that is what you have linked above and that is what I did a text search on...nothing

    also to be clear I have in multiple articles and in a video the word Age Discrimination is used and yet its not in the article. so what is happening exactly?
    I'm honestly not sure where you are going with this. He did in fact say discriminatory in his post but you read it as discrimination somehow I guess?

    I guess it lends credence to Phaserlight's point about you not reading things lol
    either word it does not matter.

    The point is the article does not mention Age Discrimination however at least 2 articles that refer to this link as a source DO mention it. So...are those articles liying or did escapist change the story?


    The escapist article does mention age discrimination on the first page just like phaser said
    not as far as I can tell.

    Again I did a Text Search on discrimination and found nothing. maybe you could post the sentence?

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Shodanas said:
    So, you're linking us a 5 second snippet showing someone moving outside a space station / vehicle and stating that this is boring "gameplay".
    You think the full video of the character floating in space for 10 minutes would be more exciting? It's the way I presented it that made it boring?
    I'm actually with @Shodanas ;on this one; that you find those gifs boring says more about your game preferences than anything else.  To me, they actually look like something I would be interested in playing, which is why I am here.  I like hardcore Newtonian space sims, with some limitations, but to me this type of game has a different 'payoff' than, say, After Burner.

    Why I find CIG/RSI/SC appalling is mainly for the exorbitant prices they are attaching to their "spacecraft" and the way their administration / community seem to go out of their way to quell any negative feedback from without or within.  It's not a good mix.

    @SEANMCAD if you were looking for any mention of the word "discriminatory" in the article you've referenced many times ITT it's here, on page 1.  It might be good to, you know, read the articles you are debating?

    I'm not ignoring your claim about CIG having a "lot" of older people on their payroll, but I'm also not debating it; to me it seems obvious that having people of a certain age group or minority on your payroll doesn't make it "OK" to implement a toxic, discriminatory work environment.
    on the link you provided me that page has zero references to the word 'discrimination' and only one reference to the word 'discriminatory'

    so yes, if yo are seeing something different I would like to learn how one is supposed to read news articles.

    to be clear this is the link in question
    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

    that is what you have linked above and that is what I did a text search on...nothing

    also to be clear I have in multiple articles and in a video the word Age Discrimination is used and yet its not in the article. so what is happening exactly?
    So, apparently "read" means to you "do a page search for a word and tally the results... possibly including immediate context"

    I see...

    ...

    ...



    @Kiyoris I'm not saying you're wrong, but initially you were talking about general gameplay, not problems with bounding and/or bugs.  I've been part of a game for a very long time where I've seen this type of Newtonian space shooting gameplay work very effectively... so I guess I have faith that yes, it can be done.  That they are trying to include the layer of people inside the ships also is just... awesome.

    That said, regarding the bugs, 100 mil, and what has become the SC metagame, I very much agree.
    so yeah as it turns out when you read something the text that you read is in the text that searched..
    usually.

    that said, did I ever say I read the article? I dont think so, I should not have if I did because I didnt

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  • BrenicsBrenics Member RarePosts: 1,939
    Amazing that we have one guy pointing out that old guys are still working at SC!

    We have another saying monkey's are posting in the thread.

    Then one that is comparing Bill Gates with Chris Roberts. PRICELESS!
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  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 865
    This whole thread reads like it was written by the mentally handicapped. No offense to anyone but this is rough.
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kefo said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    either word it does not matter.

    The point is the article does not mention Age Discrimination however at least 2 articles that refer to this link as a source DO mention it. So...are those articles liying or did escapist change the story?


    The escapist article does mention age discrimination on the first page just like phaser said
    not as far as I can tell.

    Again I did a Text Search on discrimination and found nothing. maybe you could post the sentence?
    they may be over 40 

    Thats part of it that deals with discrimination
  • BrenelaelBrenelael Member UncommonPosts: 3,821
    Brenics said:
    Amazing that we have one guy pointing out that old guys are still working at SC!

    We have another saying monkey's are posting in the thread.

    Then one that is comparing Bill Gates with Chris Roberts. PRICELESS!
    Monkeys? I don't see any posts about monkeys. What are you on about Brenics? You feeling okay?

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