In most games seldom does the hype meet the reality of the actual game, especially when it first comes out. I wish them well as I love successful MMO's. It's good for the craft in general.
This game will never live up to the hype. Some people will realize this and be fine when it releases, others will turn from fan to pissed off and demanding a refund in a heartbeat.
Oh yes people can hate reality so they create illusions. The problem is reality wont change. There is even a bigger problem though when they drag others into them.
I have seen two kind of videos from SC. First kind are edited versions with cool marketing phrases the second kind are actual gameplay with cringeworthy excuses and head scratching.
for the 3rd time I do not follow SC. How would I even know what an account screen even looks like?
I guess I could type in 'star citizen account screen' and claim any random one as mine.
I don't care that you are not a backer. I don't care that you don't know what the account screen looks like. You have to take well-intentioned proof where it's offered, nobody asked me for proof, I did that off my own back. You said that I wasn't a backer, I offered you proof and then you turned around and said that the proof could be made up, essentially still calling me a liar. How am I supposed to respond to that? Where are you going with this?
I should remind you I am not a Star Citizen backer or follower so I barely understand that screen but what it does appear to me is that said screen could be from any backer of the game
The best I can bar making a video of course, or letting someone else log in, and I'm not allowing that
The thing is you give me no way to disprove it, you're saying that the burden of proof lies on me despite me offering proof, it's assuming I'm guilty until I can prove myself innocent. Why would I go through the effort of lying or making up screenshots? what the hell have I got to gain from that?
like I said.
1. I dont even understand the screen given that I dont even follow SC 2. The amount of deception by the 'people who dont like the game' has been only second to the evil actions of GamerGate.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
That's a pretty nuanced accusation, showing some knowledge of SC's history. According to the Escapist they verified all of their claims through multiple independent sources, and attempted to "minimize harm". Previously, the fans tried to paint this as a smear campaign, and CIG responded with idle legal threats. This reaction, if anything, gave credence to the Escapist's original article.
I wouldn't be so quick to toe the party line while claiming to be "100% neutral".
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
I don't know enough about the game to hate it. However after seeing their ship prices that get tossed around, I just turn around and walk away.
It is like window shopping but when you look at the price tag of the first item, you're like ya I'm in the wrong store.
As you can get all ships in game after launch day, for in game money without the need for real life money, the price tag is 30$, a basic pledge package.
Have fun (and see you in the 'Verse ... or not .. you decide)
Or they could have already you know released the game when they said they were going to and then people could have those ship and be playing the game. Like they were supposed to be doing right now.
But instead they stretched it out, made more Jpegs of ships and started selling them for real cash. And its still going on 2 years later. But then again its a 'present' for backers right now. So that makes it OK I suppose.
But then again even if it had been released I doubt very highly people even after a year or more would have enough in game cash to buy half the ships theyre selling for real money.
1. I dont even understand the screen given that I dont even follow SC 2. The amount of deception by the 'people who dont like the game' has been only second to the evil actions of GamerGate.
I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
That's a pretty nuanced accusation, showing some knowledge of SC's history. According to the Escapist they verified all of their claims through multiple independent sources, and attempted to "minimize harm". Previously, the fans tried to paint this as a smear campaign, and CIG responded with idle legal threats. This reaction, if anything, gave credence to the Escapist's original article.
I wouldn't be so quick to toe the party line while claiming to be "100% neutral".
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
I'll do my best not to strawman here:
You're saying that because you "saw this video related to the escapist article" and had "seen a few interviews from the SC people" (that's following the game, by the way) you henceforth decided that, because of the "personality types" of those in leadership positions making discriminatory hiring comments is "out of pattern" to the degree that The Escapist's article amounts to... libel?
Have you ever considered that what you had been viewing is a PR presence? Someone that has been coached to look, dress, appear a certain way so as to present a predetermined message to an outside audience?
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
I'll do my best not to strawman here:
You're saying that because you "saw this video related to the escapist article" and had "seen a few interviews from the SC people" (that's following the game, by the way) you henceforth decided that, because of the "personality types" of those in leadership positions making discriminatory hiring comments is "out of pattern" to the degree that The Escapist's article amounts to... libel?
Have you ever considered that what you had been viewing is a PR presence? Someone that has been coached to look, dress, appear a certain way so as to present a predetermined message to an outside audience?
you intentionally left out something I said clearly on purpose and was key, I am afraid I cant trust you.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
I'll do my best not to strawman here:
You're saying that because you "saw this video related to the escapist article" and had "seen a few interviews from the SC people" (that's following the game, by the way) you henceforth decided that, because of the "personality types" of those in leadership positions making discriminatory hiring comments is "out of pattern" to the degree that The Escapist's article amounts to... libel?
Have you ever considered that what you had been viewing is a PR presence? Someone that has been coached to look, dress, appear a certain way so as to present a predetermined message to an outside audience?
you intentionally left out something I said clearly on purpose and was key, I am afraid I cant trust you.
I'm not asking for your trust; I'm asking you to consider the evidence before accusing people of making "false accusations".
You seem to be refusing to consider the possibility that The Escapist's article was not a "farse".
/sits down
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
I'll do my best not to strawman here:
You're saying that because you "saw this video related to the escapist article" and had "seen a few interviews from the SC people" (that's following the game, by the way) you henceforth decided that, because of the "personality types" of those in leadership positions making discriminatory hiring comments is "out of pattern" to the degree that The Escapist's article amounts to... libel?
Have you ever considered that what you had been viewing is a PR presence? Someone that has been coached to look, dress, appear a certain way so as to present a predetermined message to an outside audience?
you intentionally left out something I said clearly on purpose and was key, I am afraid I cant trust you.
I'm not asking for your trust; I'm asking you to consider the evidence before accusing people of making "false accusations".
You seem to be refusing to consider the possibility that The Escapist's article was not a "farse".
/sits down
you pretty much on purpose did not respond to any thing I said regarding SC actually having older employees and even to the level of interviewing them on the project.
Why would you leave that critical important detail out? nope. your done
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
You know for a 100% neutral person who doesnt follow SC you have seen a lot of videos about it and read quite a few articles. in politics you will also hear them say that they are 100% neutral about all matters
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
You know for a 100% neutral person who doesnt follow SC you have seen a lot of videos about it and read quite a few articles. in politics you will also hear them say that they are 100% neutral about all matters
I wouldnt call it 'a lot' but I can count on one hand I think.
2014 - followed SC for about 2 weeks. 1 day on forums, 1 afternoon watching SC convention or whatever that is.
2015 - saw an interview with Chris Roberts and the creator of Elite Dangerou regarding kickstarter (lasted about an hour)
Saw a video claiming SC has illegal firing processes Saw a video that prooved that video wrong
Dec 2015 - came back to MMORPG and started seeing a bunch of posts.
I think that is 100% of my 'following' on this subject
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
You know for a 100% neutral person who doesnt follow SC you have seen a lot of videos about it and read quite a few articles. in politics you will also hear them say that they are 100% neutral about all matters
I wouldnt call it 'a lot' but I can count on one hand I think.
2014 - followed SC for about 2 weeks. 1 day on forums, 1 afternoon watching SC convention or whatever that is.
2015 - saw an interview with Chris Roberts and the creator of Elite Dangerou regarding kickstarter (lasted about an hour)
Saw a video claiming SC has illegal firing processes Saw a video that prooved that video wrong
Dec 2015 - came back to MMORPG and started seeing a bunch of posts.
I think that is 100% of my 'following' on this subject
I just think you should not use "100%" that often.
You know for a 100% neutral person who doesnt follow SC you have seen a lot of videos about it and read quite a few articles. in politics you will also hear them say that they are 100% neutral about all matters
I wouldnt call it 'a lot' but I can count on one hand I think.
2014 - followed SC for about 2 weeks. 1 day on forums, 1 afternoon watching SC convention or whatever that is.
2015 - saw an interview with Chris Roberts and the creator of Elite Dangerou regarding kickstarter (lasted about an hour)
Saw a video claiming SC has illegal firing processes Saw a video that prooved that video wrong
Dec 2015 - came back to MMORPG and started seeing a bunch of posts.
I think that is 100% of my 'following' on this subject
I just think you should not use that "100%" that often.
totally agree.
what % do you think would be better and I will change it if I think its accurate.
Reason I ask is because given how much public exposure this game has the amount of time I have followed SC would not be considered a lot for SC but if it was lets say 'Smooth Operator' then it would be a lot.
So give me a number and I will think on it. but your right 100% is clearly incorrect.
OOPS.. i didnt know I cant change Thread titles here. Can we ask to close the forum and I rebuild it?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
you pretty much on purpose did not respond to any thing I said regarding SC actually having older employees and even to the level of interviewing them on the project.
Why would you leave that critical important detail out? nope. your done
Dude, try reading. The links are there. Here, I'll even condense it down for you:
"Ideally, if you can get two people on the record saying the same thing, or at least three anonymous people saying the same thing, then the information is good to run. We got our information from nine independent sources"
But because you saw an old dude in SC's video, and you get that vibe that CIG is 'good people', nope, must be libel. That's the definitive, 100% neutral, unbiased position.
It must be tough going through life with 'ready, fire, aim' as an MO.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
I hate SC because of Erillion. Pretty much the only reason.
BAM!
+1 to you good sir
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
you pretty much on purpose did not respond to any thing I said regarding SC actually having older employees and even to the level of interviewing them on the project.
Why would you leave that critical important detail out? nope. your done
Dude, try reading. The links are there. Here, I'll even condense it down for you:
"Ideally, if you can get two people on the record saying the same thing, or at least three anonymous people saying the same thing, then the information is good to run. We got our information from nine independent sources"
But because you saw an old dude in SC's video, and you get that vibe that CIG is 'good people', nope, must be libel. That's the definitive, 100% neutral, unbiased position.
It must be tough going through life with 'ready, fire, aim' as an MO.
you ignored the key of what I said TWICE now.
just digging your hole deeper with me. Why are you so biased you will intentionally leave out key parts of a reply TWO TIMES IN A ROW...just to push your agenda?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
That's a pretty nuanced accusation, showing some knowledge of SC's history. According to the Escapist they verified all of their claims through multiple independent sources, and attempted to "minimize harm". Previously, the fans tried to paint this as a smear campaign, and CIG responded with idle legal threats. This reaction, if anything, gave credence to the Escapist's original article.
I wouldn't be so quick to toe the party line while claiming to be "100% neutral".
BAM!
Can I get an Amen!!!!
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
That's a pretty nuanced accusation, showing some knowledge of SC's history. According to the Escapist they verified all of their claims through multiple independent sources, and attempted to "minimize harm". Previously, the fans tried to paint this as a smear campaign, and CIG responded with idle legal threats. This reaction, if anything, gave credence to the Escapist's original article.
I wouldn't be so quick to toe the party line while claiming to be "100% neutral".
BAM!
Can I get an Amen!!!!
The problem is however, 2 times he deliberately skipped over an important part of what I said to push an agenda. It was painfully obvious in fact.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
basically I saw this video related to the escapist article. Given that I have seen a few interviews from the SC people I found these claims to be a bit off so I decided to look into it. It took me about 5 mins to find a video of a LOT of older people working for and being interviewed on the SC team.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
I'll do my best not to strawman here:
You're saying that because you "saw this video related to the escapist article" and had "seen a few interviews from the SC people" (that's following the game, by the way) you henceforth decided that, because of the "personality types" of those in leadership positions making discriminatory hiring comments is "out of pattern" to the degree that The Escapist's article amounts to... libel?
Have you ever considered that what you had been viewing is a PR presence? Someone that has been coached to look, dress, appear a certain way so as to present a predetermined message to an outside audience?
you intentionally left out something I said clearly on purpose and was key, I am afraid I cant trust you.
I'm not asking for your trust; I'm asking you to consider the evidence before accusing people of making "false accusations".
You seem to be refusing to consider the possibility that The Escapist's article was not a "farse".
/sits down
There was actually some really good, healthy debate over this subject when shit first hit the fan. However, there have been zero follow-ups, zero law suits and zero word from The Escapist otherwise. So how does this argument, or how do these accusations, become the basis for so many arguments, still? Should they not lose validity as time goes on, especially since The Escapist STATED they would be publishing a follow-up and then didn't? How is it that as SC pushes out more updates that show more and more progress, we still hear unwavering comments about how it won't ship? Objectivity is a two-way street and there has certainly been a lack of consideration from both camps, so maybe you shouldn't be throwing rocks in your glass house.
So much hate? not sure, but chris seems to be gaining weight... Eating the proceeds? lel.
Cringe worthy video release of him playing his star citizen.
I am not sure what is up with the guy in the vid but it comes across like he is on some serious strong meds.
Bwaaaahaaaahaaa ANYONE defending this should really watch that video. Seriously this looks like a covert operation to expose this guy as a joke not a live stream to highlight the game. 18 minute video, 3 crashes, how many negative comments from the guy MAKING the game? "Am I on camera?" Priceless.
I hope this was a live feed that people captured,and they didnt shoot that and think it was a good idea to put it out there for people to see.
So much hate? not sure, but chris seems to be gaining weight... Eating the proceeds? lel.
Cringe worthy video release of him playing his star citizen.
I am not sure what is up with the guy in the vid but it comes across like he is on some serious strong meds.
Bwaaaahaaaahaaa ANYONE defending this should really watch that video. Seriously this looks like a covert operation to expose this guy as a joke not a live stream to highlight the game. 18 minute video, 3 crashes, how many negative comments from the guy MAKING the game? "Am I on camera?" Priceless.
I hope this was a live feed that people captured,and they didnt shoot that and think it was a good idea to put it out there for people to see.
this is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
why is it people go around saying things like 'eating the proceeds' and 'serious strong meds'
now to be clear I can understand that kind of juvenile language from people who have invested in the game but I have heard that kind of crap from people who have not invested a dime into the project...my question for those is why?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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I have seen two kind of videos from SC. First kind are edited versions with cool marketing phrases the second kind are actual gameplay with cringeworthy excuses and head scratching.
I can see why people hate reality.
I don't care that you are not a backer. I don't care that you don't know what the account screen looks like. You have to take well-intentioned proof where it's offered, nobody asked me for proof, I did that off my own back.
You said that I wasn't a backer, I offered you proof and then you turned around and said that the proof could be made up, essentially still calling me a liar.
How am I supposed to respond to that? Where are you going with this?
1. I dont even understand the screen given that I dont even follow SC
2. The amount of deception by the 'people who dont like the game' has been only second to the evil actions of GamerGate.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Good for you! Where have you been all my life?
I don't believe you don't follow this game.
I wouldn't be so quick to toe the party line while claiming to be "100% neutral".
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
But instead they stretched it out, made more Jpegs of ships and started selling them for real cash. And its still going on 2 years later. But then again its a 'present' for backers right now. So that makes it OK I suppose.
But then again even if it had been released I doubt very highly people even after a year or more would have enough in game cash to buy half the ships theyre selling for real money.
Apology accepted, forget about it.
Given the personality types of these SC leaders and the interviews I have seen them making the comments they have been accused of making is EXTREEMLY out of pattern.
what is interesting is this video and people using this story as an example never retracted their comments after its been pretty much prooven to be a farse.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You're saying that because you "saw this video related to the escapist article" and had "seen a few interviews from the SC people" (that's following the game, by the way) you henceforth decided that, because of the "personality types" of those in leadership positions making discriminatory hiring comments is "out of pattern" to the degree that The Escapist's article amounts to... libel?
Have you ever considered that what you had been viewing is a PR presence? Someone that has been coached to look, dress, appear a certain way so as to present a predetermined message to an outside audience?
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You seem to be refusing to consider the possibility that The Escapist's article was not a "farse".
/sits down
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Why would you leave that critical important detail out? nope. your done
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You know for a 100% neutral person who doesnt follow SC you have seen a lot of videos about it and read quite a few articles. in politics you will also hear them say that they are 100% neutral about all matters
2014 - followed SC for about 2 weeks. 1 day on forums, 1 afternoon watching SC convention or whatever that is.
2015 - saw an interview with Chris Roberts and the creator of Elite Dangerou regarding kickstarter (lasted about an hour)
Saw a video claiming SC has illegal firing processes
Saw a video that prooved that video wrong
Dec 2015 - came back to MMORPG and started seeing a bunch of posts.
I think that is 100% of my 'following' on this subject
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
what % do you think would be better and I will change it if I think its accurate.
Reason I ask is because given how much public exposure this game has the amount of time I have followed SC would not be considered a lot for SC but if it was lets say 'Smooth Operator' then it would be a lot.
So give me a number and I will think on it. but your right 100% is clearly incorrect.
OOPS.. i didnt know I cant change Thread titles here. Can we ask to close the forum and I rebuild it?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"Ideally, if you can get two people on the record saying the same thing, or at least three anonymous people saying the same thing, then the information is good to run. We got our information from nine independent sources"
But because you saw an old dude in SC's video, and you get that vibe that CIG is 'good people', nope, must be libel. That's the definitive, 100% neutral, unbiased position.
It must be tough going through life with 'ready, fire, aim' as an MO.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
+1 to you good sir
just digging your hole deeper with me. Why are you so biased you will intentionally leave out key parts of a reply TWO TIMES IN A ROW...just to push your agenda?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Can I get an Amen!!!!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
There was actually some really good, healthy debate over this subject when shit first hit the fan. However, there have been zero follow-ups, zero law suits and zero word from The Escapist otherwise. So how does this argument, or how do these accusations, become the basis for so many arguments, still? Should they not lose validity as time goes on, especially since The Escapist STATED they would be publishing a follow-up and then didn't? How is it that as SC pushes out more updates that show more and more progress, we still hear unwavering comments about how it won't ship? Objectivity is a two-way street and there has certainly been a lack of consideration from both camps, so maybe you shouldn't be throwing rocks in your glass house.
/drops mic
Crazkanuk
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I hope this was a live feed that people captured,and they didnt shoot that and think it was a good idea to put it out there for people to see.
why is it people go around saying things like 'eating the proceeds' and 'serious strong meds'
now to be clear I can understand that kind of juvenile language from people who have invested in the game but I have heard that kind of crap from people who have not invested a dime into the project...my question for those is why?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me