Hating... that's a minority... but people like to throw the word hate around so easily. A lot what you see is just disappointment and criticism.
We'll see what we get in the end... but it looks less promising with each few months. Think it has a high probability that we'll end up with a half finished game that doesn't run particularly well. That being said: I'd like for them to prove me wrong... after all, I'm a backer so it would be in my benefit.
I'm quite happy to compartmentalise so while I might dislike all of those things I can still look forward to the game itself and playing with others who do not fall into those categories listed.
I'm quite happy to compartmentalise so while I might dislike all of those things I can still look forward to the game itself and playing with others who do not fall into those categories listed.
help me understand how that image remotely prooves anything.
I have seen some very high level obfuscation, outright lies escalated all the way to the court system by people who just flat out hate SC.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
Having said that even though I dont follow it I see constant posts hating on it. including even videos that made legal claims that turned out to be nothing more than advanced form of trolling.
why? I dont get it.
Because, that's what un-informed idiots do on the internet.
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
Having said that even though I dont follow it I see constant posts hating on it. including even videos that made legal claims that turned out to be nothing more than advanced form of trolling.
why? I dont get it.
Your definition and usage of the word and concept of "hate" is what's flawed. This is a perfect example of why political correctness is a lie and a deception and is a fantastic example of how a majority can be completely wrong.
are you trying to say the word 'hate' is politically correct? or is your mind on something else and it really has nothing at all to do with the conversation at hand?
'you people' and 'hate' pretty much are in line with each other
No. It just refers to the group of people with the common line of thinking of presuming criticism to the project, as "hate", for which I explained in that post that its a confusion, caused by their passion for Chris Roberts probably, with the game itself, in practice, been secondary.
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
Having said that even though I dont follow it I see constant posts hating on it. including even videos that made legal claims that turned out to be nothing more than advanced form of trolling.
why? I dont get it.
Your definition and usage of the word and concept of "hate" is what's flawed. This is a perfect example of why political correctness is a lie and a deception and is a fantastic example of how a majority can be completely wrong.
are you trying to say the word 'hate' is politically correct? or is your mind on something else and it really has nothing at all to do with the conversation at hand?
'you people' and 'hate' pretty much are in line with each other
No. It just refers to the group of people with the common line of thinking of presuming criticism to the project, as "hate", for which I explained in that post that its a confusion, caused by their passion for Chris Roberts probably, with the game itself, in practice, been secondary.
Clear?
so yeah....the word 'hate' has a meaning.
and I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
I would also consider using divisive language like 'you people' is hate or at min. very close
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
help me understand how that image remotely prooves anything.
I have seen some very high level obfuscation, outright lies escalated all the way to the court system by people who just flat out hate SC.
So even though I've given you proof to the best that I can (without giving you my username + password) you're saying that because you've seen some dodgy shit before it means that everyone is doing dodgy shit. You're certainly right about having some trust issues then.
I don't care if you believe it or not but I would be a right sad fucker if I couldn't stand behind my words. Whatever.
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
Having said that even though I dont follow it I see constant posts hating on it. including even videos that made legal claims that turned out to be nothing more than advanced form of trolling.
why? I dont get it.
Your definition and usage of the word and concept of "hate" is what's flawed. This is a perfect example of why political correctness is a lie and a deception and is a fantastic example of how a majority can be completely wrong.
are you trying to say the word 'hate' is politically correct? or is your mind on something else and it really has nothing at all to do with the conversation at hand?
'you people' and 'hate' pretty much are in line with each other
No. It just refers to the group of people with the common line of thinking of presuming criticism to the project, as "hate", for which I explained in that post that its a confusion, caused by their passion for Chris Roberts probably, with the game itself, in practice, been secondary.
Clear?
See I don't think that way at all, I think that the focus of the hate (including yourself) has been on CR. Also, I think that the hate or "criticism" is completely unfounded. You rarely, if ever, bring up factual or even reasonable information that someone couldn't refute. It's ok, though, I have a 10 year-old at home who has a real issue with accountability too. It's always everyone else's fault. So I've grown to accept that all I can do is continue to ask for him to take responsibility for his own actions, same as I do with you, son.
and I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
I would also consider using divisive language like 'you people' is hate or at min. very close
I don't know of anyone here that falsely accused Star Citizen of illegal hiring and firing practices.
Still, the accusation that you refer was directed to an employee of the project. Not the project. The person who did that probably does not hate Star Citizen too. (I highly doubt that even exist a person in the planet who hates Star Citizen, as an idea, a project/game, etc) But hate the person who offended her or him, whoever the person who told that is.
For example. A lot of people hate Derek Smart. But they don't truly "hate" the games of Derek Smart. They just don't like those games. That's it. Or even like them, but hate the attitude of the man behind the project. Maybe the Derek Smart was a bad example, for people like you. Maybe I should use EA instead. People hate EA, but EA deliver awesome games too that people play and love. But probably they will continue to "hate" EA anyway... because the company's attitude, more in the past than now actually.
See? You proven my point in that post by yourself. You can't differentiate one from another and that is what lead to your confusion, and assumption that criticism or even hate is "against Star Citizen". Nope. It's not.
I don't know enough about the game to hate it. However after seeing their ship prices that get tossed around, I just turn around and walk away.
It is like window shopping but when you look at the price tag of the first item, you're like ya I'm in the wrong store.
As you can get all ships in game after launch day, for in game money without the need for real life money, the price tag is 30$, a basic pledge package.
Have fun (and see you in the 'Verse ... or not .. you decide)
I don't know enough about the game to hate it. However after seeing their ship prices that get tossed around, I just turn around and walk away.
It is like window shopping but when you look at the price tag of the first item, you're like ya I'm in the wrong store.
As you can get all ships in game after launch day, for in game money without the need for real life money, the price tag is 30$, a basic pledge package.
Have fun (and see you in the 'Verse ... or not .. you decide)
I am pretty sure that he knows that. But as many, they will considering outrageous such offers. It tells a lot about the company. Just that. It's like finding a reason to do not trust in that store. I think that is the point of the majority of people. They know, in most of the cases, that they can jump in paying U$30. And many just consider that as a bait too... a practice that many people does not like.
By the way. Paying U$ 30 for a Star Citizen package is just bad business, considering that the game has no ETA or clarity that will be finished. But if people want to risk, they are obviously free to do that. I just don't recommend. And I am not alone.
For those willing to follow it, they can do that anyway, for free. If the reports of the fans and CIG are true, this game is in no need of money. So, just wait to be finished and buy it, or at least, wait for the point that they have a stable build with capital ships flying smoothly, working without crashes and with many people at the same time. Then, that would be a sign that they will be able to finish their game as promised.
and I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
I would also consider using divisive language like 'you people' is hate or at min. very close
I don't know of anyone here that falsely accused Star Citizen of illegal hiring and firing practices.
Still, the accusation that you refer was directed to an employee of the project.
my head just exploded with the contradiction. do you know about this or dont you, your first sentence seems to suggest you dont then you say you do. my head now offically hurts.
The 'haters' (sorry to offend you political correctness sensibilities by using that word) of the internet took that story and ran with it with enthusiasm.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I hate some of Star Citizen for the following reasons:
I hate their finance model (ship selling, whale enabling, alpha cash shops) I hate that they tie pre-development to income raised (chasing a moving target) I hate Roberts for his blasé attitude (regarding any and all complaints) I hate Roberts for his lack of gratitude ( nearly a week and not a peep for $100 million) I hate Roberts for his lack of organisation and 'wing it' approach I hate the community for their smug, self-congratulatory attitude I hate the community for their spam I hate the community for cheerleading a company making money off them I hate the communtiy for being fools and believing that this time will be different
But I am still a backer...
You are a backer yet you asked a friend of yours to give you his a account in order to play SC 2.0.
I told you some days ago: L2 lie on the internet without making a fool of yourself.
help me understand how that image remotely prooves anything.
I have seen some very high level obfuscation, outright lies escalated all the way to the court system by people who just flat out hate SC.
So even though I've given you proof to the best that I can (without giving you my username + password) you're saying that because you've seen some dodgy shit before it means that everyone is doing dodgy shit. You're certainly right about having some trust issues then.
I don't care if you believe it or not but I would be a right sad fucker if I couldn't stand behind my words. Whatever.
'the best you can'?
I should remind you I am not a Star Citizen backer or follower so I barely understand that screen but what it does appear to me is that said screen could be from any backer of the game
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
Having said that even though I dont follow it I see constant posts hating on it. including even videos that made legal claims that turned out to be nothing more than advanced form of trolling.
why? I dont get it.
Your definition and usage of the word and concept of "hate" is what's flawed. This is a perfect example of why political correctness is a lie and a deception and is a fantastic example of how a majority can be completely wrong.
are you trying to say the word 'hate' is politically correct? or is your mind on something else and it really has nothing at all to do with the conversation at hand?
'you people' and 'hate' pretty much are in line with each other
No, I am trying to say that how people using word "Hate" now is unnecessarily polarizing SC. One of the goals of political correctness is to take words and make them into buzzwords that polarize, it is done on purpose and a method to artificially control conversations. That polarization is hurting the discussion about SC in this case. When someone starts a discuss with "why you Haters..." that is the equivalent in Debate to "I will speak my mind but won't even listen to your opinions at all"... a declaration of verbal war with no hope of reconciliation.... so why start this thread at all?
But rather than assume the OP didn't want to debate this topic I instead chose to assume the OP does want to discuss SC and why some People seem opposed to it and so I offered a solution that would allow civil debate... I pointed out the use of the word "hate" is it is mostly used in current culture is counterproductive to the debate the OP desired and it would be wise just to stop using the word "hate" in the context it is and try to focus on a more objective and respective manner of conversing.
The phrase "You People" and the word "Hate" are NOT the same or in line with one another in my opinion, however I choose not to discuss that topic here.
I don't know enough about the game to hate it. However after seeing their ship prices that get tossed around, I just turn around and walk away.
It is like window shopping but when you look at the price tag of the first item, you're like ya I'm in the wrong store.
As you can get all ships in game after launch day, for in game money without the need for real life money, the price tag is 30$, a basic pledge package.
Have fun (and see you in the 'Verse ... or not .. you decide)
You forget the grey market and people hope they can sell the ships they bought there. So buying all the ships in game without the need for real money is going to be interesting. Lot of people have used that as an excuse to buying up digital ships so they can make money once game goes live.
Now watch how fast am attacked for saying that. :-D
to be clear I am 100% neutral on this game. I dont follow it.
Having said that even though I dont follow it I see constant posts hating on it. including even videos that made legal claims that turned out to be nothing more than advanced form of trolling.
why? I dont get it.
Your definition and usage of the word and concept of "hate" is what's flawed. This is a perfect example of why political correctness is a lie and a deception and is a fantastic example of how a majority can be completely wrong.
are you trying to say the word 'hate' is politically correct? or is your mind on something else and it really has nothing at all to do with the conversation at hand?
'you people' and 'hate' pretty much are in line with each other
No, I am trying to say that how people using word "Hate" now is unnecessarily polarizing SC. One of the goals of political correctness is to take words and make them into buzzwords that polarize, it is done on purpose and a method to artificially control conversations. That polarization is hurting the discussion about SC in this case. When someone starts a discuss with "why you Haters..." that is the equivalent in Debate to "I will speak my mind but won't even listen to your opinions at all"... a declaration of verbal war with no hope of reconciliation.... so why start this thread at all?
But rather than assume the OP didn't want to debate this topic I instead chose to assume the OP does want to discuss SC and why some People seem opposed to it and so I offered a solution that would allow civil debate... I pointed out the use of the word "hate" is it is mostly used in current culture is counterproductive to the debate the OP desired and it would be wise just to stop using the word "hate" in the context it is and try to focus on a more objective and respective manner of conversing.
The phrase "You People" and the word "Hate" are NOT the same or in line with one another in my opinion, however I choose not to discuss that topic here.
Hope that answers your questions.
the Person who is being politically correct sensitive is you as well as a bit hypocritical.
'you people' is divisive language pretty much by the exact definition of the words themselves.
what word would you like me to use instead of 'hate' that will not offend your delicate sensibilities?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
You are a backer yet you asked a friend of yours to give you his a account in order to play SC 2.0.
I told you some days ago: L2 lie on the internet without making a fool of yourself.
What? That makes no sense at all. If I'm a backer then why would I ask a friend for his account? That isn't any logic.
These are the people that I was referring to, even when offered proof they act as though they know better, everyone else must be lying and there can be no way someone with opinions could also support the game, it has to be all or nothing with them.
If I made a video of me logging in you giuys would still claim that I doctored the video or got a friend to do it.... sad, really sad people.
You are a backer yet you asked a friend of yours to give you his a account in order to play SC 2.0.
I told you some days ago: L2 lie on the internet without making a fool of yourself.
What? That makes no sense at all. If I'm a backer then why would I ask a friend for his account? That isn't any logic.
These are the people that I was referring to, even when offered proof they act as though they know better, everyone else must be lying and there can be no way someone with opinions could also support the game, it has to be all or nothing with them.
If I made a video of me loggin in you giuys would still claim that I doctored the video or got a friend to do it.... sad, really sad people.
DUDE!
for the 3rd time I do not follow SC. How would I even know what an account screen even looks like?
I guess I could type in 'star citizen account screen' and claim any random one as mine.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I should remind you I am not a Star Citizen backer or follower so I barely understand that screen but what it does appear to me is that said screen could be from any backer of the game
The best I can bar making a video of course, or letting someone else log in, and I'm not allowing that
The thing is you give me no way to disprove it, you're saying that the burden of proof lies on me despite me offering proof, it's assuming I'm guilty until I can prove myself innocent. Why would I go through the effort of lying or making up screenshots? what the hell have I got to gain from that?
I should remind you I am not a Star Citizen backer or follower so I barely understand that screen but what it does appear to me is that said screen could be from any backer of the game
It's strange. You don't sound like a person that didn't back this game. I think that everyone already noticed that. I mean, you try to accuse people that criticize the game as been not been backers. Require proof that they are when they claim that they are.
Still well... looking to your attitude, your answers, and using your same logic/line of thinking reflected by your comments, you definitely are a backer and probably a whale. Or maybe just one of those guys of the grey market making money reselling "limited ships" with benefits.
In any case, been a backer or not is irrelevant and does not mean anything about defining people who criticize or defend the attitude's of the company, or, as the fans, specially, confuse, "the game".
You are a backer yet you asked a friend of yours to give you his a account in order to play SC 2.0.
I told you some days ago: L2 lie on the internet without making a fool of yourself.
What? That makes no sense at all. If I'm a backer then why would I ask a friend for his account? That isn't any logic.
These are the people that I was referring to, even when offered proof they act as though they know better, everyone else must be lying and there can be no way someone with opinions could also support the game, it has to be all or nothing with them.
If I made a video of me loggin in you giuys would still claim that I doctored the video or got a friend to do it.... sad, really sad people.
DUDE!
for the 3rd time I do not follow SC. How would I even know what an account screen even looks like?
I guess I could type in 'star citizen account screen' and claim any random one as mine.
Using some common sense might help.
Ive never seen an account screen for SC but knew what I was looking at. He posted proof, if you don't want to believe it that's on you
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A lot what you see is just disappointment and criticism.
We'll see what we get in the end... but it looks less promising with each few months. Think it has a high probability that we'll end up with a half finished game that doesn't run particularly well. That being said: I'd like for them to prove me wrong... after all, I'm a backer so it would be in my benefit.
Here you go - http://imgur.com/rtuTvP7.jpg
I'm quite happy to compartmentalise so while I might dislike all of those things I can still look forward to the game itself and playing with others who do not fall into those categories listed.
I have seen some very high level obfuscation, outright lies escalated all the way to the court system by people who just flat out hate SC.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Clear?
and I would say falsely accusing SC of illegal hiring and firing practices to the point that a journalism site believes the claim is pretty much solid hate.
I would also consider using divisive language like 'you people' is hate or at min. very close
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
So even though I've given you proof to the best that I can (without giving you my username + password) you're saying that because you've seen some dodgy shit before it means that everyone is doing dodgy shit.
You're certainly right about having some trust issues then.
I don't care if you believe it or not but I would be a right sad fucker if I couldn't stand behind my words. Whatever.
See I don't think that way at all, I think that the focus of the hate (including yourself) has been on CR. Also, I think that the hate or "criticism" is completely unfounded. You rarely, if ever, bring up factual or even reasonable information that someone couldn't refute. It's ok, though, I have a 10 year-old at home who has a real issue with accountability too. It's always everyone else's fault. So I've grown to accept that all I can do is continue to ask for him to take responsibility for his own actions, same as I do with you, son.
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Still, the accusation that you refer was directed to an employee of the project. Not the project. The person who did that probably does not hate Star Citizen too. (I highly doubt that even exist a person in the planet who hates Star Citizen, as an idea, a project/game, etc) But hate the person who offended her or him, whoever the person who told that is.
For example. A lot of people hate Derek Smart. But they don't truly "hate" the games of Derek Smart. They just don't like those games. That's it. Or even like them, but hate the attitude of the man behind the project. Maybe the Derek Smart was a bad example, for people like you. Maybe I should use EA instead. People hate EA, but EA deliver awesome games too that people play and love. But probably they will continue to "hate" EA anyway... because the company's attitude, more in the past than now actually.
See? You proven my point in that post by yourself. You can't differentiate one from another and that is what lead to your confusion, and assumption that criticism or even hate is "against Star Citizen". Nope. It's not.
Have fun (and see you in the 'Verse ... or not .. you decide)
By the way. Paying U$ 30 for a Star Citizen package is just bad business, considering that the game has no ETA or clarity that will be finished. But if people want to risk, they are obviously free to do that. I just don't recommend. And I am not alone.
For those willing to follow it, they can do that anyway, for free. If the reports of the fans and CIG are true, this game is in no need of money. So, just wait to be finished and buy it, or at least, wait for the point that they have a stable build with capital ships flying smoothly, working without crashes and with many people at the same time. Then, that would be a sign that they will be able to finish their game as promised.
do you know about this or dont you, your first sentence seems to suggest you dont then you say you do. my head now offically hurts.
The 'haters' (sorry to offend you political correctness sensibilities by using that word) of the internet took that story and ran with it with enthusiasm.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I told you some days ago: L2 lie on the internet without making a fool of yourself.
'the best you can'?
I should remind you I am not a Star Citizen backer or follower so I barely understand that screen but what it does appear to me is that said screen could be from any backer of the game
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
But rather than assume the OP didn't want to debate this topic I instead chose to assume the OP does want to discuss SC and why some People seem opposed to it and so I offered a solution that would allow civil debate... I pointed out the use of the word "hate" is it is mostly used in current culture is counterproductive to the debate the OP desired and it would be wise just to stop using the word "hate" in the context it is and try to focus on a more objective and respective manner of conversing.
The phrase "You People" and the word "Hate" are NOT the same or in line with one another in my opinion, however I choose not to discuss that topic here.
Hope that answers your questions.
Now watch how fast am attacked for saying that. :-D
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the Person who is being politically correct sensitive is you as well as a bit hypocritical.
'you people' is divisive language pretty much by the exact definition of the words themselves.
what word would you like me to use instead of 'hate' that will not offend your delicate sensibilities?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
What? That makes no sense at all. If I'm a backer then why would I ask a friend for his account? That isn't any logic.
These are the people that I was referring to, even when offered proof they act as though they know better, everyone else must be lying and there can be no way someone with opinions could also support the game, it has to be all or nothing with them.
If I made a video of me logging in you giuys would still claim that I doctored the video or got a friend to do it.... sad, really sad people.
for the 3rd time I do not follow SC. How would I even know what an account screen even looks like?
I guess I could type in 'star citizen account screen' and claim any random one as mine.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
The best I can bar making a video of course, or letting someone else log in, and I'm not allowing that
The thing is you give me no way to disprove it, you're saying that the burden of proof lies on me despite me offering proof, it's assuming I'm guilty until I can prove myself innocent.
Why would I go through the effort of lying or making up screenshots? what the hell have I got to gain from that?
I mean, you try to accuse people that criticize the game as been not been backers. Require proof that they are when they claim that they are.
Still well... looking to your attitude, your answers, and using your same logic/line of thinking reflected by your comments, you definitely are a backer and probably a whale. Or maybe just one of those guys of the grey market making money reselling "limited ships" with benefits.
In any case, been a backer or not is irrelevant and does not mean anything about defining people who criticize or defend the attitude's of the company, or, as the fans, specially, confuse, "the game".
Ive never seen an account screen for SC but knew what I was looking at. He posted proof, if you don't want to believe it that's on you
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