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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
But go on keep saying to your self that it will.
Have a great New Year!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
If he is running his company like any normal business owner then a certain percentage of income is strictly profit. 30% is fairly normal.
So 30 million dollars is actually his profit sitting in his bank and only 70 million is for development.
Possibly....
Also my theory behind all the hate is that it's simply due to the exposure SC has been receiving, coupled with the amount of $$$ top dollar pledges sell for. Many people criticizing CIG probably wouldn't think twice before backing a project on KS that they liked even if it offered mini-perks prior to the final product being completed. And for the record, CIG isn't the only pledge funded game that's offering goodies up for sales. There's a LOT of them. In fact you can even draw similarities between many of the AAA publisher titles doing Season Passes, or those Early access Alpha's on Steam.
Star Citizen of course ! Remember, some time ago, a "game industry veteran" said that Star Citizen would actually be impossible to produce as designed. Some of the supposedly impossible things have since been shown in tech demo's. Surely you don't expect a supposedly "impossibly difficult" game to be produced in the same timeframe as a standard MMO ?
A dude used 30.000 USA on SC. I mean come on- what is wrong with the world
mmorpg junkie since 1999
You're arguing with a guy that was a huge support of Darkfall. A game that was rebranded and resold multiple times in an effort to make more money off people like him.
In an industry where people have produced more with less, but he keeps saying it's "normal" for a game to need more time, as it gather more money, when other companies are showing more content created in less time with less money. SC is the exception? SC needs more time the more money they raise, and it's "normal" that they are unable to show anything of substance in the 4 years they've had, because you can't make a game in less time for less money, even though there are crowdfunded games doing exactly that.
SC is going completely against the grain and doing something no one else can apparently. Even though other companies have been able to do what fans of SC say isn't possible.
You would think games like Crowfall, Albion, Repopulation, Pathfinder didn't exist. Games that show more content, created in less time, with less money.
No, nothing to see here. Nothing out of the ordinary going on here. CIG can keep taking more, more, more, while showing less, less, less. While other companies seem to able to do the complete opposite, but there's nothing odd about any of this. Nothing odd at all. SC is the game that isn't really matching up the reality we actually live in, and there's nothing odd about his at all; it's perfectly normal that the more money they make the longer it should take them, and the less they should have to show after 4 years. This is perfectly normal even though other companies keep doing more with less.
Chris Roberts shouldn't be held to the same standards as everyone else, he made a game 20 years ago people liked, so it's ok.
Publishers are smarter people with experience to evaluate if a developer is or is not capable for a task. They could imagine some sub-par game coming out from that, but not what was actually promised.
CR did not show so far any capacity to deliver the MMO that people are imagining and that was hyped since 2012. 100 million dollars in other hands probably would produce a much better BDSSE than he was capable to do now, with different premises maybe, maybe even less shiny visually, but richer anyway, still... the guy barely handle to deal with the basics and people like you keep dreaming about he turning the table, as the things got more complicated, but for some odd reason, people are been driven to believe that they will become less complicated now. They are clueless. Impressive and fascinating how they are so easily deceived.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Have I somehow wandered into the Twilight Zone ?
Titanfall.
do you know what I mean by that one word?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Roberts never sold his vision short in terms of the fact that he has BIG ideas for the game. So it makes sense that the game were getting is going to be drastically different than a game made with a vastly smaller budget. This should be money/resources/manpower 101.
Delays are expected in game development. Game development isn't easy, and as a gamer whose seen enough of the game development process, I usually give every development company benefit of the doubt when it comes to minor delays, because I'm not the one pulling all-nighters trying to resolve bugs in code, integrate new rendering systems, etc. Also unlike many other developments, CIG's actually been very transparent about the development process itself.
The biggest whiners will probably be people who will never touch the game anyways. Kind of ironic they spend so much time and energy attacking the game as though they had some sort of intimate stake in the title.
Something I've noticed over the years is that people who complain the most typically provide a lot more opinions, but provide a lot less facts. I guess it is a common trend in the gaming community, especially now that a majority of what we term as "gamers" these days with the ever expanding community, tend to fall within the instant-grat crowd; and they will chew out every-single big game title to ever go into development. Both from within the fansbase, and from the sidelines.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
The hypocritical of some people on this forum, when it comes to SC it ridiculous.
- Albert Einstein
Sure it's his decision but it doesn't mean other people can't point and laugh at the idiocy of it.
Strange, I've read an argument between two people. One who says it's normal for games to take this long and it doesn't matter that the guy raising the money said they could do it with less, in less time.
The other keep saying that after 4 years, and millions of dollars, you should expect to see more, while the guy he's saying this to keeps saying that's not true.
Oddly enough other companies are showing that what CIG is doing isn't the reality we live in. They're making more, with less, and have more to show for it than CIG does after 4 years and millions of dollars.
Elite dangerous has done more, with less, in less time. A normal, rational thinking adult would have expected CIG to be able to show at least as much as ED has shown by now, and they haven't. So where is that money going after 4 years, because what they're showing us is not millions of dollars worth of development, it's far less than other studios have shown with far less time and money.
This is a fact I'm going to state now.
If CIG was a publicly traded company, and everyone that has given him money was an actual investor, Chris Roberts would have been removed from the company by now because he's been unable to show that he's able to turn the money he's been given into anything of substance that would provide investor confidence.
He's only doing what he's doing because he knows that he can't be held accountable for the mismanagement of millions of dollars, as long as it's all "donated" money.
What CR told was objective, in those referred instances... not puffery.
If I had said: "Oh, CR promised the BDSSE and he did not deliver the BDSSE"... then, you would be right and the Kellogg's example would fit.
Someone who knows marketing would know the difference.... oh... well.
"Six million was what it would take us to build the game we were imagining with all the bells and whistles we wanted included."
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13284-Letter-From-The-Chairman-20-Million
There has been some concern about “feature creep” with the additional stretch goals. You should all know that we carefully consider the goals we announce. Typically the stretch goals fall into two categories;
The first are goals that involve features we already have planned or have implemented, but we couldn’t create content because of budgetary constraints. The first person combat on select planets is a great example of this type of goal. We already have FPS combat as part of the game in ship boarding, and we already have most of this already functional thanks to CryEngine, as we essentially have Crysis3 functionality out of the box. But creating all the environments and assets to fill them is a huge task, so we were planning on not doing any planetside combat initially, simply because of its cost, with the idea that we would slowly roll it out once the game is live. But with the additional funds we can now afford to create some of this content earlier rather than later.
The facial capture system is an example of the second type, where we identify technology and equipment that will make the game better and allow us to be more nimble and economically efficient in continually creating content for the ongoing universe that we are aiming to support. The motion capture system and sound studio were goals that feel into this category.
But both types of goals are carefully considered — we don’t commit to adding features that would hold up the game’s ability to go “live” in a fully functional state. Also remember that this is not like a typical retail boxed product — there is no rule that all features and content have to come online at the same time! As you can see from the Hangar Module we plan to make functionality and content come on line as it’s ready, so you should look at the stretch goals as a window into the future of functionality and content additions we plan for the live game.
Signed: Chris Roberts
2) E:D was NOT cheap (in the order of 84 million) and the current scope is much smaller than SC (and delivered over years in sequential parts) - and that is coming from an Elite fan.
Have fun
He didn't crowdfund because he thought it was the smart way to go, it's because no one would invest in him after 20 years of showing that he's more likely to lose money than to make you money, and that's what investors look for.
In business, you do not invest in someone who has a habit of making less than they're given. The man has a history of not making investors money.
You're confusing the analogy with the point I was making... the analogy was in reference to using "He said" at all in an argument..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Titanfall story is extremely common in the gaming industry.
if someone says 'I am going to fly to the moon by flapping my hands' do you really except to be surprised that it doesnt happen? is that something you really need to base a case on by saying 'yeah but he said he could' if you say that everyone is going to look at you as if you are just as mad as he is.
The problem in this case however 'doing it in 2 years' does NOT equal 'not ever doing it'
OF COURSE its reasonable to assume that he will not get something done sooner than average DESPITE what he says and to surrender your ability of deductive reasoning simply because a moron says something is being silly.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
A few years ago, someone spent $150K buying a digital space station in Entropia Universe.
Just google MMO+whales and you'll soon realise that this kind of player spending is what drives a large portion of the F2P game market.
In MMO land, this is business as usual.