The social media and such, couldn't be any more wrong as what Lumberjack is all about. The AWS platform is the big point and that is what can (and seems it already did) replace Google Cloud that would run Star Citizen.
Depending of how stuff was working with Google, they could have been also put this under Lumberjack as a better deal to run the cloud platform of the game upon.
Ahh more semantics I love it you dont dissapoint.
Of course its going to 'run' better. CiG couldnt figure it out Amazon did.
If anything that proves how incompetent CR and his crew is. They had this thing for almost two years With (allegedly) the guys hwo built it working for them and they couldnt get it ro run any better than they did. Amazon has had it for 6 or 7 months and they just throw something out and it improves performance (lag & loading) THAT much?
Like I said you guys seriously dont get it at all.
But just because it speeds up the game that surely doesnt mean its foundation is such that they will be able to do everything they wanted to do.
Amazon just streamlined the delivery system with a different processor and network.
They basically gave it a new router and modem and higher connection. The bottleneck to the game itself is going the come with the CORE of each, the engine and the game. If youre running a Intel Celeron on a 300 MB/s line its still going to run like crap compared to an i7. It will run as fast as it possibly can but it still wont compete. THATS the point. They made the tech demo run a little faster and smoother. Still doesnt mean it has the 'processing power' to make turn the project into the game they keep claiming they can.
Its not core Cryenegine but neither was the version CiG supposedly rebuilt.
So this seriously begs the question of if CiG TRULY rebuilt Cryengine then why would they partner up wioth Amazon and use a version that shouldnt be as good as the one they (CiG) allegedly did?
Basically all Lumberjack does is make interfacing with media and social media more streamlined. It reduced lag and apparently has a different type of processor. Hard to say since no one has really seen it in action yet. But I would tend to believe Amazon over most since they are a company run by actual business people.
But I doubt very highly what Amazon has relabeled is any way shape or form better than the thing these guys claimed to have rebuilt. Therefore either they (CiG) lied or Amazon is WAY underselling this new version.
I don't believe that CiG lied or that Amazon are way underselling Lumberyard.
Free is good; the Twitch and AWS services nice to have but not a huge deal; can be sure that Amazon will continue to support the engine - good; 996 fixes, enhancements and additions - nice to have; cross platform = automatic port of SC to consoles - potentially huge (imo)
Lumberyard is Cry + Twitch + AWS + Double Helix. The latter being a studio bought by Amazon that did console stuff using the Hex engine. The way its worded though its an enhancement that Lumberyard has - some sort of bridge software I assume that facilitates the cross-platform capability.
More conspiracies I love and you don't disappoint.
It's not any big deal really. Star Citizen will take advantage of Lumberyard’s integration with Amazon Web Services (AWS) and Twitch. And that's it.
They can take advantages and use whatever they wish that comes from it, though the main point is clearly the online features for the game's platform.
Yes thats what I said in the other posting. Theyre going to let it showcase their streamers and youtube videos and make them look a lot better. No more crashes and freezes. Its all optics and no substance. Sales 101. It will certainly help keep the money train on the tracks but it will not in any way shape or form improve their ability to put what they claim they can put into the game itself. They just cant Cryengine cant do it. Now if Amazon tries to rebuild it then they might improve it but that iisnt Amzons forte so I wouldnt expect much, and even if they did I still doubt it would be up to par with either Unreal or Unity. Which is a whole other debate people I am sure will rehash over this news eventually.
To guys without a clue it looks great because they see improved performance and think they reinvented the wheel, they didnt, Amazon simply did it right because theyre masters of that shit.
If the news was CIG was going to integrate THEIR rebuilt version with Amazons delivery system it would be a much different story. Because one it would mean CiG actually had a rebuilt version and secondly it would be getting a much better delivery system added to it, one CiG obviously couldnt figure out. Which to be fair they probably werent too worried about.
Changing engines is usually a sign of impending doom as the gateway to development hell opens wide, in this case just in time for Christmas.
But not this time. No, this is perfect.
Because they have not changed engines. From one custom development to the engine they had that they weren't pushing commits of CE for a long time... They are still developing their custom engine just integrating it into a new platform.
The hell part of engine changes is when you actually have to merge one into the other, not when you hand-pick X or Y to integrate to YOUR modified version. Maybe if there wasn't so much bias clouding judgment you'd see that.
So if you believed they were doomed because they were using Cry you can continue to believe they are doomed. Amazon say that Lumberyard has enhancements that should help speed things up (so less time for ship sales) but fundamentally: They. Have. Not. Changed. Engines.
Thats not true Max, they have ported to a new engine. You cant be half pregnant, its either on LY or it isnt. They have dumped StarEngine.
So, they have dumped Star Engine, and from sudden 2.6 is already running on Lumberyard? Sure...
I think anybody can figure out easily that this is more a rebrand of the modified version of CE they have just integrated into Amazon's platform; than it is a actual merge within another engine...
That on their words, have been done "very easily" and "has not delayed any of our work". Sure... Sure...
Thats not true Max, they have ported to a new engine. You cant be half pregnant, its either on LY or it isnt. They have dumped StarEngine.
So, they have dumped Star Engine, and from sudden 2.6 is already running on Lumberyard? Sure...
I think anybody can figure out easily that this is more a rebrand of the modified version of CE they have just integrated into Amazon's platform; than it is a actual merge within another engine...
That on their words, have been done "very easily" and "has not delayed any of our work". Sure... Sure...
You cant be that naive. EVERYONE is telling you they are on the new engine the press release says it. Why are you the only person that thinks they are double dipping (which is basically impossible, and why I said THAT WOULD be news)
And I will say it AGAIN, Amazons version (should be) a lesser version than any hybrid version CiG should have at this moment. The should be is because I dont think CiG EVER had a hybrid version. They just made a few changes here and there to make it actually run and called it good. Thats why nothing ever got put into the game.
This 2.6 is also smoke and mirrors no new 'technology' added just a cleaner crisper look, faster loading and smoother performance and some FPS. All things you would expect with a better network and delivery system, NOTHING related to a 'better' engine.
At best its a mixed bag. The good is that what they have now will run smoother and look better and will get them money because it will fool people. The bad is that its a lesser engine (if you actually believe they really rebuilt it) and therefore it is still not engine enough to build the game they claimed they could.
You cant be that naive. EVERYONE is telling you they are on the new engine the press release says it.
Yes they are now on the Lumberyard engine, on the same codebase they already had before. No engine has been dumped and work started over, they claim that migration has been completed what clearly shows how it is platform based.
Side of that; talking to you is like talking to a wall of bias pretending to be neutral. So no point; I'd prefer talking to people who can have a decently neutral discussion over someone like you with the full dedication and passion to negativity against this game and its developers.
Let me see in essence what you're saying is that better performance means that all the work they did before to get here was for nothing and somehow proves your tin foil hat conspiracy theory and your deep seated desire to be right all the time?
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
LMAO so funny how people presenting others with facts always turns into 'youre a hater and toxic' Easy to spot the liberals in a crowd they have the same thought process as it relates to every interaction they have.
And no where did I say work was started over. I said it never actually began. The tech demo has and was always running on a vanilla version of Cryengine. They didnt rebuild shit and this move today basically proved that out.
You dont rebuild something and delay a project like this for two years claiming you HAD to because the rebuild was necessary and then go back to an older version of the same engine you claimed you needed to rebuild two years ago. And its also obvious that since what they have been running on the tech demo works with this older version then its pretty logical to assume that the version they have been running was the same version and most definitely not a hybrid that was necessary to run all the things they claimed it needed.
Sure they never redone anything; anyone could have done all the tech and what SC currently has currently working; with the vanilla version of Cryengine alone!
Ohh the delusion is real... I mean please someone bring DS back to this forums, at least he tries to keep it somewhat believable.
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Update: Redoing the engine again.....this time with someone else piloting the ship.
Update: Its still the CryEngine, heavily modified by CIG (64 bit etc.). Now with Amazon Lumberyard integration (which is AGAIN the CryEngine, modified). The engine is not being redone.
It just means that Amazon has checked out CIG with due diligence, found them A-Okay and has chosen them as their high-visibility game partner to push forward their Lumberyard project (which basically is an integration of the Cry-Engine (free for everyone) + Twitch + Forums etc.). A serious blow to all conspiracy nuts that have claimed for years that Star Citizen is a scam.
Update: THings were going so well and there was no reason to go this route but we decided to do it anyways....trust us......everything is fine................trust us.
Update: THings were going so well and there was no reason to go this route but we decided to do it anyways....trust us......everything is fine................trust us.
Update:
Things ARE going fine. Last month fans donated almost 8 million to SC - again a new record and more than most other crowdfunding projects make in total. Some of the most successful companies worldwide wanted to join this project and use it as a promotion flagship. Between Google and Amazon, it was Amazon that was the lucky one.
It does not fit the "end of the world" narrative of some posters ... too bad ;-)
People told the truth about the deplorable state of the project "Star Citizen" on Kwanzaa, Hanukkah and Ramadan, too. I think you're just prejudiced to not point it out.
Update: Redoing the engine again.....this time with someone else piloting the ship.
Update: Its still the CryEngine, heavily modified by CIG (64 bit etc.). Now with Amazon Lumberyard integration (which is AGAIN the CryEngine, modified). The engine is not being redone.
It just means that Amazon has checked out CIG with due diligence, found them A-Okay and has chosen them as their high-visibility game partner to push forward their Lumberyard project (which basically is an integration of the Cry-Engine (free for everyone) + Twitch + Forums etc.). A serious blow to all conspiracy nuts that have claimed for years that Star Citizen is a scam.
Have fun
BWWWAAAHAAAHAAHAAAA I didnt see AMAZON making this announcement. At best it was proffered as a 'joint' announcement by Chris Roberts. Amazon released a version of Lumberyard in April. Where was their announcement of them 'partnering' with Roberts, who now claims after the fact they have been working 'hand in hand' with Amazon?
This is what the mouth piece from Amazon had to say:
“Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are incredibly ambitious projects which are only possible with great engine technology paired with the transformative power of the cloud. We love how CIG’s bold vision has already inspired a massive community, and we’re thrilled to see what they create with Lumberyard, AWS, and the Twitch community. We’re excited that they’ve chosen Lumberyard and AWS to provide the performance and scalability they need to bring their games to a massive audience.”
Thats basically as self serving a comment as you will find.
You guys are the frigging masters at spin and semantics.
Obviously they arent 'redoing' the engine they never did that to begin with. At best they were actually working with Amazon that long ago and the whole working with the original developers of the CE engine was a half truth as in CiG didnt hire them Amazon did. Hard to decipher or get to the bottom of half truths omissions and what not. I am sure one of the more fanatical critics will get to it eventually. But if this truly was going on for over a year as CR claims it is the ONLY thing they have actually been able to keep a 'secret'. I didnt even hear any conspiracies along the way that Amazon and CiG may have been working together, simply because everyone knew Amazon bought CE in like 2014 and CR was trying to use that dinosaur to launch this abortion. Kudos for keeping such a 'big' secret I suppose.
Amazon spent a ton of money (50 million) for what they got, but Cryteck was running on fumes, CiG claimed they were working with Crytek. Now suddenly that isnt true? Well it does make more sense that they would work with Amzon who had the money and IP. But whatever thats another argument/debate.
Amazon bought the CE for a reason, and it certainly wasnt because Star Citizen was using it. They bought it because it was cheap and it served the purposes they had in mind for it. Its easy to integrates AWS into and its pretty rudimentary and thus cheap to keep semi current. And they can claims its 'free' then shove fees and subs ups users asses.
Problem is there isnt a whole lot of neutral 'news' in regards to this. Its trying to find unbiased opinions on Trump or Hillary. You cant. SO there is no actual news just opinions based on what is known (which isnt much) Amazon hasnt given details about what they have or havent done beyond generic terms. But one can assume that only having the thing to work on (even if Crytek was still helping them) for a few months they couldnt have done a whole lot, and their first priority would be to do the thing they have actually said they did. But it does goes both ways a lot of news is critical and saying "SC switches game engines AGAIN" which might technically be true but it isnt a complete overhaul. But I dont think its as seamless as people think either. Thats why I am on the wait and see approach.
Unless like I speculated CiG never really did anything, they have in fact been working with Amazon on this since Amazon got the IP and they have been using Lumberyard all along (and no the so called "Star Engine'.) That is the most plausible explanation.
Good I guess if you ever want the game to run in some capacity correctly, bad if you really believe theyre being transparent. Up in the air in terms of what this means for all the stuff they have claimed they are going to do.
Is it better today?> Yes. DOes it mean SC will now finally move forward and be releassed with everyones hopes and dreams in mind? Hell no.
And lets not forget that even though apparently working with Amazon and all this 'great' progress he still gave this video blog:
So both sides probably need to hold their jets because this is just another storyline in the saga that is SC. But in some ways it could actually make things worse because the deluded fans will now be evenless patient and expect more because everyone is shining this up like its the final piece int eh greatest damn spage game ever made puzzle.
The naysaying only grows strong when the game releases one update. Isn't that rather interesting?
Like it was some sort of Damage Control that is being done; because everything about SC is and shall forever be negative. Who cares about facts and accurate information, as long there is a conspiracy behind everything, that's what matters!
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Of course its going to 'run' better. CiG couldnt figure it out Amazon did.
If anything that proves how incompetent CR and his crew is. They had this thing for almost two years With (allegedly) the guys hwo built it working for them and they couldnt get it ro run any better than they did. Amazon has had it for 6 or 7 months and they just throw something out and it improves performance (lag & loading) THAT much?
Like I said you guys seriously dont get it at all.
But just because it speeds up the game that surely doesnt mean its foundation is such that they will be able to do everything they wanted to do.
Amazon just streamlined the delivery system with a different processor and network.
They basically gave it a new router and modem and higher connection. The bottleneck to the game itself is going the come with the CORE of each, the engine and the game. If youre running a Intel Celeron on a 300 MB/s line its still going to run like crap compared to an i7. It will run as fast as it possibly can but it still wont compete. THATS the point. They made the tech demo run a little faster and smoother. Still doesnt mean it has the 'processing power' to make turn the project into the game they keep claiming they can.
Free is good; the Twitch and AWS services nice to have but not a huge deal; can be sure that Amazon will continue to support the engine - good; 996 fixes, enhancements and additions - nice to have; cross platform = automatic port of SC to consoles - potentially huge (imo)
Lumberyard is Cry + Twitch + AWS + Double Helix. The latter being a studio bought by Amazon that did console stuff using the Hex engine. The way its worded though its an enhancement that Lumberyard has - some sort of bridge software I assume that facilitates the cross-platform capability.
It's not any big deal really. Star Citizen will take advantage of Lumberyard’s integration with Amazon Web Services (AWS) and Twitch. And that's it.
They can take advantages and use whatever they wish that comes from it, though the main point is clearly the online features for the game's platform.
But not this time. No, this is perfect.
To guys without a clue it looks great because they see improved performance and think they reinvented the wheel, they didnt, Amazon simply did it right because theyre masters of that shit.
If the news was CIG was going to integrate THEIR rebuilt version with Amazons delivery system it would be a much different story. Because one it would mean CiG actually had a rebuilt version and secondly it would be getting a much better delivery system added to it, one CiG obviously couldnt figure out. Which to be fair they probably werent too worried about.
The hell part of engine changes is when you actually have to merge one into the other, not when you hand-pick X or Y to integrate to YOUR modified version.
Maybe if there wasn't so much bias clouding judgment you'd see that.
So if you believed they were doomed because they were using Cry you can continue to believe they are doomed. Amazon say that Lumberyard has enhancements that should help speed things up (so less time for ship sales) but fundamentally: They. Have. Not. Changed. Engines.
I think anybody can figure out easily that this is more a rebrand of the modified version of CE they have just integrated into Amazon's platform; than it is a actual merge within another engine...
That on their words, have been done "very easily" and "has not delayed any of our work". Sure... Sure...
And I will say it AGAIN, Amazons version (should be) a lesser version than any hybrid version CiG should have at this moment. The should be is because I dont think CiG EVER had a hybrid version. They just made a few changes here and there to make it actually run and called it good. Thats why nothing ever got put into the game.
This 2.6 is also smoke and mirrors no new 'technology' added just a cleaner crisper look, faster loading and smoother performance and some FPS. All things you would expect with a better network and delivery system, NOTHING related to a 'better' engine.
At best its a mixed bag. The good is that what they have now will run smoother and look better and will get them money because it will fool people. The bad is that its a lesser engine (if you actually believe they really rebuilt it) and therefore it is still not engine enough to build the game they claimed they could.
Like I said time will prove this all out.
Side of that; talking to you is like talking to a wall of bias pretending to be neutral. So no point; I'd prefer talking to people who can have a decently neutral discussion over someone like you with the full dedication and passion to negativity against this game and its developers.
lol
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
And no where did I say work was started over. I said it never actually began. The tech demo has and was always running on a vanilla version of Cryengine. They didnt rebuild shit and this move today basically proved that out.
You dont rebuild something and delay a project like this for two years claiming you HAD to because the rebuild was necessary and then go back to an older version of the same engine you claimed you needed to rebuild two years ago. And its also obvious that since what they have been running on the tech demo works with this older version then its pretty logical to assume that the version they have been running was the same version and most definitely not a hybrid that was necessary to run all the things they claimed it needed.
Ohh the delusion is real... I mean please someone bring DS back to this forums, at least he tries to keep it somewhat believable.
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Its still the CryEngine, heavily modified by CIG (64 bit etc.). Now with Amazon Lumberyard integration (which is AGAIN the CryEngine, modified). The engine is not being redone.
It just means that Amazon has checked out CIG with due diligence, found them A-Okay and has chosen them as their high-visibility game partner to push forward their Lumberyard project (which basically is an integration of the Cry-Engine (free for everyone) + Twitch + Forums etc.). A serious blow to all conspiracy nuts that have claimed for years that Star Citizen is a scam.
Have fun
Things ARE going fine. Last month fans donated almost 8 million to SC - again a new record and more than most other crowdfunding projects make in total. Some of the most successful companies worldwide wanted to join this project and use it as a promotion flagship. Between Google and Amazon, it was Amazon that was the lucky one.
It does not fit the "end of the world" narrative of some posters ... too bad ;-)
Have fun
Not even at Christmas would the naysayers take a break.
Once upon the day, even wars across the world paused for Christmas.
This is what the mouth piece from Amazon had to say:
“Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are incredibly ambitious projects which are only possible with great engine technology paired with the transformative power of the cloud. We love how CIG’s bold vision has already inspired a massive community, and we’re thrilled to see what they create with Lumberyard, AWS, and the Twitch community. We’re excited that they’ve chosen Lumberyard and AWS to provide the performance and scalability they need to bring their games to a massive audience.”
Thats basically as self serving a comment as you will find.
You guys are the frigging masters at spin and semantics.
Obviously they arent 'redoing' the engine they never did that to begin with. At best they were actually working with Amazon that long ago and the whole working with the original developers of the CE engine was a half truth as in CiG didnt hire them Amazon did. Hard to decipher or get to the bottom of half truths omissions and what not. I am sure one of the more fanatical critics will get to it eventually. But if this truly was going on for over a year as CR claims it is the ONLY thing they have actually been able to keep a 'secret'. I didnt even hear any conspiracies along the way that Amazon and CiG may have been working together, simply because everyone knew Amazon bought CE in like 2014 and CR was trying to use that dinosaur to launch this abortion. Kudos for keeping such a 'big' secret I suppose.
Amazon spent a ton of money (50 million) for what they got, but Cryteck was running on fumes, CiG claimed they were working with Crytek. Now suddenly that isnt true? Well it does make more sense that they would work with Amzon who had the money and IP. But whatever thats another argument/debate.
Amazon bought the CE for a reason, and it certainly wasnt because Star Citizen was using it. They bought it because it was cheap and it served the purposes they had in mind for it. Its easy to integrates AWS into and its pretty rudimentary and thus cheap to keep semi current. And they can claims its 'free' then shove fees and subs ups users asses.
Problem is there isnt a whole lot of neutral 'news' in regards to this. Its trying to find unbiased opinions on Trump or Hillary. You cant. SO there is no actual news just opinions based on what is known (which isnt much) Amazon hasnt given details about what they have or havent done beyond generic terms. But one can assume that only having the thing to work on (even if Crytek was still helping them) for a few months they couldnt have done a whole lot, and their first priority would be to do the thing they have actually said they did. But it does goes both ways a lot of news is critical and saying "SC switches game engines AGAIN" which might technically be true but it isnt a complete overhaul. But I dont think its as seamless as people think either. Thats why I am on the wait and see approach.
Unless like I speculated CiG never really did anything, they have in fact been working with Amazon on this since Amazon got the IP and they have been using Lumberyard all along (and no the so called "Star Engine'.) That is the most plausible explanation.
Good I guess if you ever want the game to run in some capacity correctly, bad if you really believe theyre being transparent. Up in the air in terms of what this means for all the stuff they have claimed they are going to do.
Is it better today?> Yes. DOes it mean SC will now finally move forward and be releassed with everyones hopes and dreams in mind? Hell no.
And lets not forget that even though apparently working with Amazon and all this 'great' progress he still gave this video blog:
So both sides probably need to hold their jets because this is just another storyline in the saga that is SC. But in some ways it could actually make things worse because the deluded fans will now be evenless patient and expect more because everyone is shining this up like its the final piece int eh greatest damn spage game ever made puzzle.
"You guys are the frigging masters at spin..."
How dare you, telling the truth so close to Christ's birthday. Don't you know this is the season of good will toward men?
Like it was some sort of Damage Control that is being done; because everything about SC is and shall forever be negative. Who cares about facts and accurate information, as long there is a conspiracy behind everything, that's what matters!
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