Some of us know TheSmarty and his games from LONG before Star Citizen.
And it is NOT a pretty story.
Especially when it comes to criticising other developers w.r.t. to the
timetable, bugs or number of features existing in the final
version.
If you do not know that background story, some of the things that happen may not make sense to you.
Fool me once - shame on me. Fool me twice - shame on him.
Have fun
If DSmart says 'Hey CIG lied in their KS by stating 'additional features will not delay the product'' that's factually accurate. Attacking DSmart because you don't like this games / him; doesn't make that fact any less true. This whole thing looks a lot like 'attack the messenger'.
And I really can't imagine how DSmart can look bad to anyone now when compared to that Ben Lesnick's horror-show website.
Soooooo you're stating that the additional features are delaying the product? Cool, I never read that article. Feel free to share.
And I really can't imagine how DSmart can look bad to anyone now when compared to that Ben Lesnick's horror-show website.
Because Ben Lesnick knows he made mistakes in the past and publicly said so.
TheSmarty has never done that and will never do that. One cannot improve perfection ..... ;-)
Have fun
Was that an apology? All he did was blame his circumstances. There were so many lies in his statements too. He said he made that site while he was in high school. That's trying to be misleading with the truth since the last quote was from 2008. And he was working at a high-school from 2007 - 2012 as staff.
He said he idolized 'SomethingAwful' when he created that website. He created the website in 1997. SomethingAwful was created in 1999.
Sure, but how long did it take to create the core infrastructure compared to their original timeline. You can't tell that it's the additional scope which actually caused the delay. In FACT, if we are to believe the Jennison letter, then models themselves were taking 3-4 times what they normally would to create. If this was applied across all functionality, the expanded scope wouldn't have anything to do with it at all, it's managing the existing scope.
Cannot talk for Star Citizen, but watched closely the Crowfall kickstarter and how they came with new stretch goals out of nowhere every day.
There are some pretty significant differences between the two projects though. CF has raised a little over 7 mil, but only about 2.7 mil of that is from crowfunding. Thus far, the stretch goals haven't adversely affected the timeline. The launch may end up being a little late--pretty much every game launches later than initially planned--but any delay should be measured in months rather than years.
The stretch goals that CF did post Kickstarter were mostly for localization and hiring extra people (video person, QA person). There were no major system added. No extra archetypes. To date, they've created 5 of the 13 archetypes and the 6th (druid) isn't too far away, and they still have 8 months to go before the KS delivery date of December 2016. The first mini-campaigns are planned for after Siege Perilous testing, maybe as early as June.
In short, CF has been extremely well planned, well managed, and looks to launch on or very close to on time and within budget.
Sure, but how long did it take to create the core infrastructure compared to their original timeline. You can't tell that it's the additional scope which actually caused the delay. In FACT, if we are to believe the Jennison letter, then models themselves were taking 3-4 times what they normally would to create. If this was applied across all functionality, the expanded scope wouldn't have anything to do with it at all, it's managing the existing scope.
You know why? Because they were trying to do something people said was impossible to do, or in the very least cost way more than it was 'worth'. Even when they reached 100 million just about every (credible or not) developer said even that wasnt enough.
Now everyone says they have done it. But that is still just a claim, there hasnt even been a 20 second video showing it in action yet, so forgive me if I think their claims of success are a little dubious.
I am not sure when this "hey we are going to make this a 64 bit game'' came in but it surely wasnt part of the original sales pitch because if it were there would have been a lot less 'backers', because you know common sense. But like I said that is neither common or sense most of the time, but I suspect fewer would have been caught up in it and would have taken a much more 'we will wait and see approach'. Same as going with the Cry Engine instead of another one, Unreal was the second choice. And then having to 'modify' it which again still hasnt been shown yet either. But the irony shouldnt be lost that they chose an engine made by a company that went bankrupt shortly after. Of course the spin was they hired people from the company to work for them in house, which people will have to judge for themselves I guess.
The pro camp always wants proof of things that everyone can see with their own eyes that actually exist. I dont think its too much to ask for some 'proof' of the claims these guys continue to make that might only exist in their minds.
It would be one thing if they had a persistent stable universe using the exact engine they claim to have as well as the system they claim to have as well. No one has seen any of that yet. I dont even think the test bed tech demo "alpha'' is the modified version. It surely isnt 64 bit. And it isnt persistent either.
Those are basically FUNDAMENTAL aspects of ANY video game not just an MMO. Well not the persistent part for non MMOs. But because SQ 42 got rid of co op which DOES require a persistent universe people can read intot hat what they want as well.
Thats why its hilarious when (both) sides talk about stuff that is so far ahead of what they REALLY need to fix they arent even worth discussing.
Sure, but how long did it take to create the core infrastructure compared to their original timeline. You can't tell that it's the additional scope which actually caused the delay. In FACT, if we are to believe the Jennison letter, then models themselves were taking 3-4 times what they normally would to create. If this was applied across all functionality, the expanded scope wouldn't have anything to do with it at all, it's managing the existing scope.
You know why? Because they were trying to do something people said was impossible to do, or in the very least cost way more than it was 'worth'. Even when they reached 100 million just about every (credible or not) developer said even that wasnt enough.
Now everyone says they have done it. But that is still just a claim, there hasnt even been a 20 second video showing it in action yet, so forgive me if I think their claims of success are a little dubious.
I am not sure when this "hey we are going to make this a 64 bit game'' came in but it surely wasnt part of the original sales pitch because if it were there would have been a lot less 'backers', because you know common sense. But like I said that is neither common or sense most of the time, but I suspect fewer would have been caught up in it and would have taken a much more 'we will wait and see approach'. Same as going with the Cry Engine instead of another one, Unreal was the second choice. And then having to 'modify' it which again still hasnt been shown yet either. But the irony shouldnt be lost that they chose an engine made by a company that went bankrupt shortly after. Of course the spin was they hired people from the company to work for them in house, which people will have to judge for themselves I guess.
The pro camp always wants proof of things that everyone can see with their own eyes that actually exist. I dont think its too much to ask for some 'proof' of the claims these guys continue to make that might only exist in their minds.
It would be one thing if they had a persistent stable universe using the exact engine they claim to have as well as the system they claim to have as well. No one has seen any of that yet. I dont even think the test bed tech demo "alpha'' is the modified version. It surely isnt 64 bit. And it isnt persistent either.
Those are basically FUNDAMENTAL aspects of ANY video game not just an MMO. Well not the persistent part for non MMOs. But because SQ 42 got rid of co op which DOES require a persistent universe people can read intot hat what they want as well.
Thats why its hilarious when (both) sides talk about stuff that is so far ahead of what they REALLY need to fix they arent even worth discussing.
You're right, and that's the point I'm making. He's going on about how the scope creep is what has delayed the schedule, but it isn't. Anyone with half a brain and see that. The additional scope accepted from the stretch goals has a big fat 0% to do with the project schedule at this point. If the stretch goals had any impact, they would already have their MVP but, instead, that is now the goal.
I'm not asking for proof of what can be seen. What can be seen is that the project is in a state that is not releasable. You're right, anyone can see that. I'm just saying that the stretch goals have absolutely nothing to do with that, as the other poster had claimed.
I agree with your last point, too, and I've already mentioned this multiple times. I think that the idea of MVP is taken negatively here, but it's the BEST idea that has been mentioned since forever. It indicates that there is a focus on delivery. We live in a time where a 30GB download takes all of an hour, day zero patches are the norm, and DLC is on the rise because content delivery is easier now. I think that they likely got caught up in delivering the best thing since sliced bread and forgot to buy all the ingredients first. So I think it's a step in the right direction.
Also, I find it somewhat funny the difference in reaction to a delay in something like CU and SC. People are expressing how they feel bad that they are in crunch and how it's not a big deal and how they just need to take their time and get it right. Yet, SC needs to be now. Fuck quality.
Most of the stretch goals are nonsense anyway. Linux service, remote access, a new skin, not something that any COMPETENT company with 300 qualified employees would worry about at all. He just underestimated the implementing of the 64 bit system. Math part is 'easy' probably why he thought once they did that (and they werent thr first by a long shot) he figure badda bing badda boom plug this in here plug that in there and the game is set to go.
But with cockpit shots planet shots landing empty space and anything and everything they wanted to show SIMULTANEOUSLY it became 'impossible'. He was correct with some of the stuff he said (thats why I think e had help) but they just havent figure out how to make it work yet. Will they? Maybe, but its fair to assume that these concessions he keeps making has him feeling it will be longer than people will want to wait.
Had they done this months ago then it might be easier for critics to accept, but they dragged it out another 10-12 months (and another 50 million) and added to all the crap they have spent money on it should leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. They could have had a viable playable game right now if they had focused on that instead of trying to prove people wrong it might not be what they promised, but it isnt going to be that now, and it more than likely would have actually been better than what people will eventually get.
Like I said the real test will be how he comes out in his next video blog. If he stays contrite and focused then thats a step in the right direction. If he comes back as the cocky egomaniac ass then the project it going to fail 100%. Its pretty much that simple. I am not willing to call it yet, because he has been moving in the right direction lately it is just a matter of how he handles the backlash of this latest concession speech.
Most of the stretch goals are nonsense anyway. Linux service, remote access, a new skin, not something that any COMPETENT company with 300 qualified employees would worry about at all. He just underestimated the implementing of the 64 bit system. Math part is 'easy' probably why he thought once they did that (and they werent thr first by a long shot) he figure badda bing badda boom plug this in here plug that in there and the game is set to go.
But with cockpit shots planet shots landing empty space and anything and everything they wanted to show SIMULTANEOUSLY it became 'impossible'. He was correct with some of the stuff he said (thats why I think e had help) but they just havent figure out how to make it work yet. Will they? Maybe, but its fair to assume that these concessions he keeps making has him feeling it will be longer than people will want to wait.
Had they done this months ago then it might be easier for critics to accept, but they dragged it out another 10-12 months (and another 50 million) and added to all the crap they have spent money on it should leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. They could have had a viable playable game right now if they had focused on that instead of trying to prove people wrong it might not be what they promised, but it isnt going to be that now, and it more than likely would have actually been better than what people will eventually get.
Like I said the real test will be how he comes out in his next video blog. If he stays contrite and focused then thats a step in the right direction. If he comes back as the cocky egomaniac ass then the project it going to fail 100%. Its pretty much that simple. I am not willing to call it yet, because he has been moving in the right direction lately it is just a matter of how he handles the backlash of this latest concession speech.
Agreed. I can appreciate a vision. I can appreciate he doesn't want to compromise on quality, but I don't really think that a seamless universe is necessary to do that, either.
As far as CR himself, I think that you need a cocky egomaniac. Any sort of great innovation comes from someone believing that the impossible is possible. Thank goodness for that or we'd be running with 10 ton DC batteries outside our houses, lol. However, I don't think that you give the reigns to the egomaniac, either. I can't say what level of control CR had at the beginning, but I believe it's been turned over to Erin now, so we're starting to see more reasonable goals set out.
Also, we can't really speculate on how or why they're saying anything right now. Is it possible they felt they were close? I don't know. However, I feel that there is a lot of speculation mentioned as fact and there also seems to be a lot of really misplaced or misdirected hate. Maybe people have gotten so caught up that now they feel it's personal, I don't know. However, the arguments seem to be getting more and more silly. Even DS! Like you're strongest argument at the moment is door gate? And he has people believing that this is a $20k door? Eff me! Go show the video to someone at home depot and they'll fill your care with all you need for less than $500 bucks.
What was suppose to be "1 Space game to rule them all" is now "minimal viable product".
The End.
Which means what? What "1 Space Game to Rule Them All" before or after scope creep? is MVP still 1 to rule them all?
Not the end at all. It's like saying you have 6 feet of rope, I have the minimum amount of rope I need to do the job I require it for. Who has more rope?
This should not affect the amount they bring in monthly. The people who support the project will continue to do so seeing as there is a true interest in the game with the amounts they have raised so far.
Starting to doubt people on the RSI forums? Why shouldn't you believe someone with a rear admiral package whos account has been around for a year, unless you are saying they created the account with the intention of posting to discredit the game a year later?
Do we know someone that was recently trying to "buy" existing mid-level SC accounts so he can post on the official forums again ? ,-) And proudly tells anyone about it.
Have fun
Got proof to back up your claim that this specific account about the guy selling his roof is in fact DS? Or are you just seeing the boogeyman in every poster now?
So we've went from Best Damn Space Sim Ever to Minimum Viable Product.
Guess what will be Triple A? The Cash shop and ship sales. This is the WHY,they need to get a game out to broaden the cash shop market to people not already in the game buying ships.They likely get another 25-50% customers to start dangling the bait in front of their eyes.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Starting to doubt people on the RSI forums? Why shouldn't you believe someone with a rear admiral package whos account has been around for a year, unless you are saying they created the account with the intention of posting to discredit the game a year later?
Do we know someone that was recently trying to "buy" existing mid-level SC accounts so he can post on the official forums again ? ,-) And proudly tells anyone about it.
Have fun
Got proof to back up your claim that this specific account about the guy selling his roof is in fact DS? Or are you just seeing the boogeyman in every poster now?
Starting to doubt people on the RSI forums? Why shouldn't you believe someone with a rear admiral package whos account has been around for a year, unless you are saying they created the account with the intention of posting to discredit the game a year later?
Do we know someone that was recently trying to "buy" existing mid-level SC accounts so he can post on the official forums again ? ,-) And proudly tells anyone about it.
Have fun
Got proof to back up your claim that this specific account about the guy selling his roof is in fact DS? Or are you just seeing the boogeyman in every poster now?
To be fair when there are known agendas at play, it's tough to rule anything out. Especially when those agendas are carried in the manner they have been in this scenario. Like what Eril, is pointing out here, DS isn't going to spend that kind of money out of the goodness of his heart, he obviously has some use for it in mind.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Starting to doubt people on the RSI forums? Why shouldn't you believe someone with a rear admiral package whos account has been around for a year, unless you are saying they created the account with the intention of posting to discredit the game a year later?
Do we know someone that was recently trying to "buy" existing mid-level SC accounts so he can post on the official forums again ? ,-) And proudly tells anyone about it.
Have fun
Got proof to back up your claim that this specific account about the guy selling his roof is in fact DS? Or are you just seeing the boogeyman in every poster now?
To be fair when there are known agendas at play, it's tough to rule anything out. Especially when those agendas are carried in the manner they have been in this scenario. Like what Eril, is pointing out here, DS isn't going to spend that kind of money out of the goodness of his heart, he obviously has some use for it in mind.
I'm fine with that and understand he isn't just buying accounts to help people out but when Erillion is the first person to start asking for proof of claims then perhaps he should back up his crazy claims with proof
I dont think Roberts could prove anything at this point. For a game that is supposedly the most open development ever it sure has a lot of questions being asked (and unanswered). But Roberts says something and the backers (people with a vested interest) take it as gospel. Because what choice do they have? Other than coming to grips with reality.
Starting to doubt people on the RSI forums? Why shouldn't you believe someone with a rear admiral package whos account has been around for a year, unless you are saying they created the account with the intention of posting to discredit the game a year later?
Do we know someone that was recently trying to "buy" existing mid-level SC accounts so he can post on the official forums again ? ,-) And proudly tells anyone about it.
Have fun
Got proof to back up your claim that this specific account about the guy selling his roof is in fact DS? Or are you just seeing the boogeyman in every poster now?
At some point you may learn the difference between a FACT and an OPINION.
Everything is there (from CIG and fans) ... in as much or as little detail as one wants. Only 10 seconds away on Google.
But as I said ... if people do NOT read it .....
Have fun
You only partially quoted... clever. I'll play along though.
So, no. None of those links from google you originally posted to these information sites or synapses are linked to from the main site. Linking to a bunch of the RSI pages that have jack and shit to do with what we were talking about sure is impressive though. Yeah, verily.
Not a single one of those links contains any of the information you referred to originally that you had to google and find from third party sources. The links someone would go to on their site would be the first two and they were grossly outdated prior to the MVP announcement. More so now. So, again, unless someone is to wade through various non-official sources that they google instead of going to the game's site itself, there is no updated or pertinent information on any of the goings on. Or, maybe, if they bother to pore over the heavily moderated forums instead.
Gotcha.
Got anything relevant to your original claim now? Does RSI link to any of those sites you googled originally?
What was suppose to be "1 Space game to rule them all" is now "minimal viable product".
The End.
Which means what? What "1 Space Game to Rule Them All" before or after scope creep? is MVP still 1 to rule them all?
Not the end at all. It's like saying you have 6 feet of rope, I have the minimum amount of rope I need to do the job I require it for. Who has more rope?
Its like saying someone said they were going to make the best space game ever, and then telling you they will throw in extras if you send more money. And then being told you will get what we deem as a "minimal viable product", at a date of our choosing which may change.
Comments
TheSmarty has never done that and will never do that. One cannot improve perfection ..... ;-)
Have fun
Soooooo you're stating that the additional features are delaying the product? Cool, I never read that article. Feel free to share.
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------
Show me a materials list of how this is a $20K door and I'll show you where Jesus hides.
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------
There were so many lies in his statements too.
He said he made that site while he was in high school. That's trying to be misleading with the truth since the last quote was from 2008. And he was working at a high-school from 2007 - 2012 as staff.
He said he idolized 'SomethingAwful' when he created that website. He created the website in 1997.
SomethingAwful was created in 1999.
Original - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4551#post462019951 (paywall)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-15-through-gritted-teeth-star-citizen-developer-gives-player-whopping-usd2500-refund
CIG is sued by Crytek
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
EX-Backer StreetRoller sues Chris Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx7VcbowYQ
This is a copy-paste from the charge back and refund thread in Star Citizen.
4. Additional scope will not delay the project delivery date of Nov - 2014 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen/description)
Ex1.https://web.archive.org/web/20121103204818/http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen-faq/
Ex2. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12734-Draft-FAQ
The purpose of the higher stretch goals is to ensure that the game-as-described is finished in the two year time period.
This turned into
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14839-Letter-From-The-Chairman
Will it take longer to deliver all this? Of course! When the scope changes, the amount of time it will take to deliver all the features naturally increases.
Original - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=4551#post462019951 (paywall)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-15-through-gritted-teeth-star-citizen-developer-gives-player-whopping-usd2500-refund
CIG is sued by Crytek
https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776300/crytek-star-citizen-lawsuit-cig-rsi
EX-Backer StreetRoller sues Chris Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojx7VcbowYQ
Sure, but how long did it take to create the core infrastructure compared to their original timeline. You can't tell that it's the additional scope which actually caused the delay. In FACT, if we are to believe the Jennison letter, then models themselves were taking 3-4 times what they normally would to create. If this was applied across all functionality, the expanded scope wouldn't have anything to do with it at all, it's managing the existing scope.
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------
The stretch goals that CF did post Kickstarter were mostly for localization and hiring extra people (video person, QA person). There were no major system added. No extra archetypes. To date, they've created 5 of the 13 archetypes and the 6th (druid) isn't too far away, and they still have 8 months to go before the KS delivery date of December 2016. The first mini-campaigns are planned for after Siege Perilous testing, maybe as early as June.
In short, CF has been extremely well planned, well managed, and looks to launch on or very close to on time and within budget.
Now everyone says they have done it. But that is still just a claim, there hasnt even been a 20 second video showing it in action yet, so forgive me if I think their claims of success are a little dubious.
I am not sure when this "hey we are going to make this a 64 bit game'' came in but it surely wasnt part of the original sales pitch because if it were there would have been a lot less 'backers', because you know common sense. But like I said that is neither common or sense most of the time, but I suspect fewer would have been caught up in it and would have taken a much more 'we will wait and see approach'. Same as going with the Cry Engine instead of another one, Unreal was the second choice. And then having to 'modify' it which again still hasnt been shown yet either. But the irony shouldnt be lost that they chose an engine made by a company that went bankrupt shortly after. Of course the spin was they hired people from the company to work for them in house, which people will have to judge for themselves I guess.
The pro camp always wants proof of things that everyone can see with their own eyes that actually exist. I dont think its too much to ask for some 'proof' of the claims these guys continue to make that might only exist in their minds.
It would be one thing if they had a persistent stable universe using the exact engine they claim to have as well as the system they claim to have as well. No one has seen any of that yet. I dont even think the test bed tech demo "alpha'' is the modified version. It surely isnt 64 bit. And it isnt persistent either.
Those are basically FUNDAMENTAL aspects of ANY video game not just an MMO. Well not the persistent part for non MMOs. But because SQ 42 got rid of co op which DOES require a persistent universe people can read intot hat what they want as well.
Thats why its hilarious when (both) sides talk about stuff that is so far ahead of what they REALLY need to fix they arent even worth discussing.
You're right, and that's the point I'm making. He's going on about how the scope creep is what has delayed the schedule, but it isn't. Anyone with half a brain and see that. The additional scope accepted from the stretch goals has a big fat 0% to do with the project schedule at this point. If the stretch goals had any impact, they would already have their MVP but, instead, that is now the goal.
I'm not asking for proof of what can be seen. What can be seen is that the project is in a state that is not releasable. You're right, anyone can see that. I'm just saying that the stretch goals have absolutely nothing to do with that, as the other poster had claimed.
I agree with your last point, too, and I've already mentioned this multiple times. I think that the idea of MVP is taken negatively here, but it's the BEST idea that has been mentioned since forever. It indicates that there is a focus on delivery. We live in a time where a 30GB download takes all of an hour, day zero patches are the norm, and DLC is on the rise because content delivery is easier now. I think that they likely got caught up in delivering the best thing since sliced bread and forgot to buy all the ingredients first. So I think it's a step in the right direction.
Also, I find it somewhat funny the difference in reaction to a delay in something like CU and SC. People are expressing how they feel bad that they are in crunch and how it's not a big deal and how they just need to take their time and get it right. Yet, SC needs to be now. Fuck quality.
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------
But with cockpit shots planet shots landing empty space and anything and everything they wanted to show SIMULTANEOUSLY it became 'impossible'. He was correct with some of the stuff he said (thats why I think e had help) but they just havent figure out how to make it work yet. Will they? Maybe, but its fair to assume that these concessions he keeps making has him feeling it will be longer than people will want to wait.
Had they done this months ago then it might be easier for critics to accept, but they dragged it out another 10-12 months (and another 50 million) and added to all the crap they have spent money on it should leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. They could have had a viable playable game right now if they had focused on that instead of trying to prove people wrong it might not be what they promised, but it isnt going to be that now, and it more than likely would have actually been better than what people will eventually get.
Like I said the real test will be how he comes out in his next video blog. If he stays contrite and focused then thats a step in the right direction. If he comes back as the cocky egomaniac ass then the project it going to fail 100%. Its pretty much that simple. I am not willing to call it yet, because he has been moving in the right direction lately it is just a matter of how he handles the backlash of this latest concession speech.
Agreed. I can appreciate a vision. I can appreciate he doesn't want to compromise on quality, but I don't really think that a seamless universe is necessary to do that, either.
As far as CR himself, I think that you need a cocky egomaniac. Any sort of great innovation comes from someone believing that the impossible is possible. Thank goodness for that or we'd be running with 10 ton DC batteries outside our houses, lol. However, I don't think that you give the reigns to the egomaniac, either. I can't say what level of control CR had at the beginning, but I believe it's been turned over to Erin now, so we're starting to see more reasonable goals set out.
Also, we can't really speculate on how or why they're saying anything right now. Is it possible they felt they were close? I don't know. However, I feel that there is a lot of speculation mentioned as fact and there also seems to be a lot of really misplaced or misdirected hate. Maybe people have gotten so caught up that now they feel it's personal, I don't know. However, the arguments seem to be getting more and more silly. Even DS! Like you're strongest argument at the moment is door gate? And he has people believing that this is a $20k door? Eff me! Go show the video to someone at home depot and they'll fill your care with all you need for less than $500 bucks.
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------
The End.
Which means what? What "1 Space Game to Rule Them All" before or after scope creep? is MVP still 1 to rule them all?
Not the end at all. It's like saying you have 6 feet of rope, I have the minimum amount of rope I need to do the job I require it for. Who has more rope?
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------
Got proof to back up your claim that this specific account about the guy selling his roof is in fact DS? Or are you just seeing the boogeyman in every poster now?
This is the WHY,they need to get a game out to broaden the cash shop market to people not already in the game buying ships.They likely get another 25-50% customers to start dangling the bait in front of their eyes.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Yeah, DS posted it right on his twitter account.
Crazkanuk
----------------
Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
----------------
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
At some point you may learn the difference between a FACT and an OPINION.
FACT:
TheSmarty "buying" existing mid-level SC accounts
https: //twitter.com/dsmart/status/714847354940166144
https: //www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/comments/4bmmnq/wtbhuge_and_medium_acc_vb_ob_or_whatever/
OPINION (mine, in this case):
Some postings on the official forum are IMHO fake.
Have fun
So, no. None of those links from google you originally posted to these information sites or synapses are linked to from the main site. Linking to a bunch of the RSI pages that have jack and shit to do with what we were talking about sure is impressive though. Yeah, verily.
Not a single one of those links contains any of the information you referred to originally that you had to google and find from third party sources. The links someone would go to on their site would be the first two and they were grossly outdated prior to the MVP announcement. More so now. So, again, unless someone is to wade through various non-official sources that they google instead of going to the game's site itself, there is no updated or pertinent information on any of the goings on. Or, maybe, if they bother to pore over the heavily moderated forums instead.
Gotcha.
Got anything relevant to your original claim now? Does RSI link to any of those sites you googled originally?
"Only" every week ;-) during the Weekly "Comm Link Schedule" post.
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/327057/comm-link-schedule-april-18th-2016/p1
"THE FAN PODCAST SCHEDULE
Monday
• Noticiario Estelar - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsPZhAdACmLXaIMmxKV9yi383kqf0q02w
Tuesday
• Conversaciones en el Espectro - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVNseto9HitX9-3zUzj2mEg
• Best German News & Talkstream - http://www.twitch.tv/scnr_onair
Wednesday
• REDACTED Podcast (1300 PDT / 2000 UTC) - https://www.twitch.tv/wtfosaurus
Thursday
Friday
• Late Night Vacuum (1500 PDT / 2200 UTC) - http://www.twitch.tv/Grakees
• The Friday Night Show (1600 PDT / 2300 UTC) - http://www.TheBase.sc
Saturday
• Star Pirate News - https://www.twitch.tv/306th_hawk
Sunday
• Star Citizen Base Round Table (1400 PDT / 2100 UTC) - http://www.TheBase.sc
• Perverse The Verse (1200 PDT / 1900 UTC) https://www.twitch.tv/supremetokyo
Have a show you want featured on the Fan Podcast Schedule? Post about it here and we'll check it out."
Have fun
You're giving this guy way to much credit.