As I stated before and showed proof. Apple generates a huge sum of profit from the mobile market. Apple has designed their own API called 'Metal' spurning OpenGL. So since Apple, one of the largest mobile contributors does not use OpenGL in most of their mobile devices I will repose the question as perhaps the wide spread useage of OpenGL is not as great as you think in the mobile market. Just as not all PC games are DirectX not all mobile are OpenGL.
but here is the thing.
I am NOT making a claim. YOU are
I am saying that given mobile it APPEARS that DirectX is not as relevant as people think. People who are stating as a fact that DirectX is as relevant as people think are the ones who need to provide proof because I am not making a claim, I am making a suggestion. and I am also the one who is making the claim that figuring out the 'profit' from the APIs is nearly impossible
Actually you made the claim yesterday that 90% of mobile uses OpenGL. That is false.
Here is your quote:
"Yeah I am not sure its that obvious. About 1/2 of my PC games are OpenGL, -FALSE
So 90% or more of mobile game sales are OpenGL -- FALSE Mobile game sells more than PC or console. Not all PC games are DirectX by a good margin these days. --FALSE Xbox only has 10 million units, Sony has almost 40 million. --FALSE OpenGL is far more used then you are aware" --FALSE
So again OpenGL is not used as much as you are aware.
ok but the problem is it doesnt change anything
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-So 90% of the mobile market is not using DirectX
-not all PC games are DIrectX by a good margin these days: can I see that link again on this specific claim please.
-Xbox One only has 20 million units, SOny has almos 40 million
it appears that DirectX is not as prevalent as people think
is that better?
what I was trying to illustrate then as i am this morning is not that OpenGL is the king or not the king because of derivatives of OpenGL or not but rather that DirectX APPEARS not to be the king
I would prefer people try at least to focus on the intent of a claim rather than getting lost in details that doesnt change the claim. The thing is if one is standing from a strong position they dont need to even do that
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Since the proliferation of smart phones and tablets Direct X never was number one in it's market. I thought that was common knowledge and basic common sense.
I thought otherwise actually until I put some thought into it yesterday.
good now we are clear, level headed and reasonable
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A real hidden profit for MS in the gaming realm that most do not talk about is the Havok engine that they bought in 2015. Used in games like Assassin's Creed, Elder Scrolls games, Call of Duty, Dark Souls and the list goes on and on and on. Was a smart purchase for them and one that generates a lot of income and most people never mention it.
Things in the IT space can change radically and fast sometimes.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
As I stated before and showed proof. Apple generates a huge sum of profit from the mobile market. Apple has designed their own API called 'Metal' spurning OpenGL. So since Apple, one of the largest mobile contributors does not use OpenGL in most of their mobile devices I will repose the question as perhaps the wide spread useage of OpenGL is not as great as you think in the mobile market. Just as not all PC games are DirectX not all mobile are OpenGL.
but here is the thing.
I am NOT making a claim. YOU are
I am saying that given mobile it APPEARS that DirectX is not as relevant as people think. People who are stating as a fact that DirectX is as relevant as people think are the ones who need to provide proof because I am not making a claim, I am making a suggestion. and I am also the one who is making the claim that figuring out the 'profit' from the APIs is nearly impossible
Actually you made the claim yesterday that 90% of mobile uses OpenGL. That is false.
Here is your quote:
"Yeah I am not sure its that obvious. About 1/2 of my PC games are OpenGL, -FALSE
So 90% or more of mobile game sales are OpenGL -- FALSE Mobile game sells more than PC or console. Not all PC games are DirectX by a good margin these days. --FALSE Xbox only has 10 million units, Sony has almost 40 million. --FALSE OpenGL is far more used then you are aware" --FALSE
So again OpenGL is not used as much as you are aware.
-Xbox One only has 20 million units, SOny has almos 40 million
And here we go another desperate bias ignorant attempt to bash MS. "Only" 20 million yeah for people like you it wouldn't matter what their numbers were it will always be "only".
You see an normal person who thought the sales were "only" 10 million would actually no longer call it "only" once they were educated on their lie and the actual number was TWICE as much. But you need to stick with your desperate, weird crusade...
As I stated before and showed proof. Apple generates a huge sum of profit from the mobile market. Apple has designed their own API called 'Metal' spurning OpenGL. So since Apple, one of the largest mobile contributors does not use OpenGL in most of their mobile devices I will repose the question as perhaps the wide spread useage of OpenGL is not as great as you think in the mobile market. Just as not all PC games are DirectX not all mobile are OpenGL.
but here is the thing.
I am NOT making a claim. YOU are
I am saying that given mobile it APPEARS that DirectX is not as relevant as people think. People who are stating as a fact that DirectX is as relevant as people think are the ones who need to provide proof because I am not making a claim, I am making a suggestion. and I am also the one who is making the claim that figuring out the 'profit' from the APIs is nearly impossible
Actually you made the claim yesterday that 90% of mobile uses OpenGL. That is false.
Here is your quote:
"Yeah I am not sure its that obvious. About 1/2 of my PC games are OpenGL, -FALSE
So 90% or more of mobile game sales are OpenGL -- FALSE Mobile game sells more than PC or console. Not all PC games are DirectX by a good margin these days. --FALSE Xbox only has 10 million units, Sony has almost 40 million. --FALSE OpenGL is far more used then you are aware" --FALSE
So again OpenGL is not used as much as you are aware.
-Xbox One only has 20 million units, SOny has almos 40 million
And here we go another desperate bias ignorant attempt to bash MS. "Only" 20 million yeah for people like you it wouldn't matter what their numbers were it will always be "only".
You see an normal person who thought the sales were "only" 10 million would actually no longer call it "only" once they were educated on their lie and the actual number was TWICE as much. But you need to stick with your desperate, weird crusade...
I would consider that only base on the fact that mobile is first in earning, pc is second in earning, console is third in earning followed by nobody and xbox is the lowest on the console list.
Making the xbox One very possibly (not a claim but a suggestion) the least adopted gaming platform in this generation of gaming.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
A real hidden profit for MS in the gaming realm that most do not talk about is the Havok engine that they bought in 2015. Used in games like Assassin's Creed, Elder Scrolls games, Call of Duty, Dark Souls and the list goes on and on and on. Was a smart purchase for them and one that generates a lot of income and most people never mention it.
Things in the IT space can change radically and fast sometimes.
True but Havok is being used by just about every major game studio in the world and has for 10 years now. Even big MMOs like ESO and GW2 use it. Great purchase for MS.
they also make a metric ton of money from samsung phones because of some tech involved. I am not sure if that is still going on or not. However, Microsofts balance sheets isnt all that interesting to play, my attempted point here is that profits are fun to talk about but only at some levels you know. Microsoft being the Golman Sacks of tech isnt all that intersting of a conversation at least to me to be far
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
As I stated before and showed proof. Apple generates a huge sum of profit from the mobile market. Apple has designed their own API called 'Metal' spurning OpenGL. So since Apple, one of the largest mobile contributors does not use OpenGL in most of their mobile devices I will repose the question as perhaps the wide spread useage of OpenGL is not as great as you think in the mobile market. Just as not all PC games are DirectX not all mobile are OpenGL.
but here is the thing.
I am NOT making a claim. YOU are
I am saying that given mobile it APPEARS that DirectX is not as relevant as people think. People who are stating as a fact that DirectX is as relevant as people think are the ones who need to provide proof because I am not making a claim, I am making a suggestion. and I am also the one who is making the claim that figuring out the 'profit' from the APIs is nearly impossible
Actually you made the claim yesterday that 90% of mobile uses OpenGL. That is false.
Here is your quote:
"Yeah I am not sure its that obvious. About 1/2 of my PC games are OpenGL, -FALSE
So 90% or more of mobile game sales are OpenGL -- FALSE Mobile game sells more than PC or console. Not all PC games are DirectX by a good margin these days. --FALSE Xbox only has 10 million units, Sony has almost 40 million. --FALSE OpenGL is far more used then you are aware" --FALSE
So again OpenGL is not used as much as you are aware.
-Xbox One only has 20 million units, SOny has almos 40 million
And here we go another desperate bias ignorant attempt to bash MS. "Only" 20 million yeah for people like you it wouldn't matter what their numbers were it will always be "only".
You see an normal person who thought the sales were "only" 10 million would actually no longer call it "only" once they were educated on their lie and the actual number was TWICE as much. But you need to stick with your desperate, weird crusade...
I would consider that only base on the fact that mobile is first in earning, pc is second in earning, console is third in earning followed by nobody and xbox is the lowest on the console list.
Making the xbox One very possibly (not a claim but a suggestion) the least adopted gaming platform in this generation of gaming.
Actually the steam machine would be last. And according to you and your indie obsession sales numbers don't represent anything...but now because you get off on bashing ms sales numbers matter? I believe the word is hypocrite you are looking for.
Oh BTW the Wii U has also sold less than the XB1. Have you ever tried to do research before you post stuff?
Actually the steam machine would be last. And according to you and your indie obsession sales numbers don't represent anything...but now because you get off on bashing ms sales numbers matter? I believe the word is hypocrite you are looking for.
Oh BTW the Wii U has also sold less than the XB1. Have you ever tried to do research before you post stuff?
very good point, yes Steam Machine would be last no doubt.
I encourage you though to calm down and not take this all so personally, thank you for the correction please try not to be a dick about it though
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Actually the steam machine would be last. And according to you and your indie obsession sales numbers don't represent anything...but now because you get off on bashing ms sales numbers matter? I believe the word is hypocrite you are looking for.
Oh BTW the Wii U has also sold less than the XB1. Have you ever tried to do research before you post stuff?
very good point, yes Steam Machine would be last no doubt.
I encourage you though to calm down and not take this all so personally, thank you for the correction please try not to be a dick about it though
Oh no worries I don't take anything on here personally. It may appear I am being a "dick" but that is only because I and others continue to correct your inaccurate information over and over and over. That must get exhausting for you.
Actually the steam machine would be last. And according to you and your indie obsession sales numbers don't represent anything...but now because you get off on bashing ms sales numbers matter? I believe the word is hypocrite you are looking for.
Oh BTW the Wii U has also sold less than the XB1. Have you ever tried to do research before you post stuff?
very good point, yes Steam Machine would be last no doubt.
I encourage you though to calm down and not take this all so personally, thank you for the correction please try not to be a dick about it though
Oh no worries I don't take anything on here personally. It may appear I am being a "dick" but that is only because I and others continue to correct your inaccurate information over and over and over. That must get exhausting for you.
basically I should have said 'near the bottom' instead of 'the bottom'
Thanks for the correction but it doesnt change the spirit of 'only 20 million'.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Actually the steam machine would be last. And according to you and your indie obsession sales numbers don't represent anything...but now because you get off on bashing ms sales numbers matter? I believe the word is hypocrite you are looking for.
Oh BTW the Wii U has also sold less than the XB1. Have you ever tried to do research before you post stuff?
very good point, yes Steam Machine would be last no doubt.
I encourage you though to calm down and not take this all so personally, thank you for the correction please try not to be a dick about it though
Oh no worries I don't take anything on here personally. It may appear I am being a "dick" but that is only because I and others continue to correct your inaccurate information over and over and over. That must get exhausting for you.
basically I should have said 'near the bottom' instead of 'the bottom'
Thanks for the correction but it doesnt change the spirit of 'only 20 million'.
Actually the steam machine would be last. And according to you and your indie obsession sales numbers don't represent anything...but now because you get off on bashing ms sales numbers matter? I believe the word is hypocrite you are looking for.
Oh BTW the Wii U has also sold less than the XB1. Have you ever tried to do research before you post stuff?
very good point, yes Steam Machine would be last no doubt.
I encourage you though to calm down and not take this all so personally, thank you for the correction please try not to be a dick about it though
Oh no worries I don't take anything on here personally. It may appear I am being a "dick" but that is only because I and others continue to correct your inaccurate information over and over and over. That must get exhausting for you.
basically I should have said 'near the bottom' instead of 'the bottom'
Thanks for the correction but it doesnt change the spirit of 'only 20 million'.
How is 2nd out of four "near the bottom"?
because its only 20 million
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The 360 must be factored into the equation. It has sold 84 million units and continues to sell and be used. As is evident by the number of active Xbox Live members, 46 million as of April. That is 26 million more than the One has sold.
very good point. agreed as it relates to DX of course, not specifically dx12 but i wasnt being specific to dx12 so fair enough
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Ok which is xb1 closest too? The top or the bottom? Please take your time as you study the above list.
I am sorry i dont understand what you are saying.
Steam accounts alone that are active is 125 million. the 'top' is mobile, not PS4.
your looking at the items within the category that is on the top of the earners list.
Wow you are struggling today aren't you. Ok first you were wrong (shocker we know) You said "xb1 is the lowest of the console". Above is the list of CONSOLES. Then you said Xbox one was at "near the bottom of that list" again you were wrong (another shocker) because it clearly is not.
How many times can you get caught in a lie In one day dude? Have some self respect And try to actually Google some info and try to get something right today.
Ok which is xb1 closest too? The top or the bottom? Please take your time as you study the above list.
I am sorry i dont understand what you are saying.
Steam accounts alone that are active is 125 million. the 'top' is mobile, not PS4.
your looking at the items within the category that is on the top of the earners list.
Wow you are struggling today aren't you. Ok first you were wrong (shocker we know) You said "xb1 is the lowest of the console". Above is the list of CONSOLES. Then you said Xbox one was at "near the bottom of that list" again you were wrong (another shocker) because it clearly is not.
How many times can you get caught in a lie dude? Have some self respect for yourself and try to actually Google some info and try to get something right today.
again your fixated on the wrong part of the story. I encourage you to focus on the intent of what was said. If I am wrong and even if Xbox One is the top selling console of all time it doesnt change the core of what I said which is Mobile first, PC second, Console third, 20 million is not a lot.
Steam active accounts ALONE is 125 million. 20 million units is not a lot, peroid end of story
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Ok which is xb1 closest too? The top or the bottom? Please take your time as you study the above list.
I am sorry i dont understand what you are saying.
Steam accounts alone that are active is 125 million. the 'top' is mobile, not PS4.
your looking at the items within the category that is on the top of the earners list.
Wow you are struggling today aren't you. Ok first you were wrong (shocker we know) You said "xb1 is the lowest of the console". Above is the list of CONSOLES. Then you said Xbox one was at "near the bottom of that list" again you were wrong (another shocker) because it clearly is not.
How many times can you get caught in a lie dude? Have some self respect for yourself and try to actually Google some info and try to get something right today.
again your fixated on the wrong part of the story. I encourage you to focus on the intent of what was said. If I am wrong and even if Xbox One is the top selling console of all time it doesnt change the core of what I said which is Mobile first, PC second, Console third, 20 million is not a lot.
Steam active accounts ALONE is 125 million. 20 million units is not a lot, peroid end of story
Oh my you were destroyed about this stat in one of your last post...no little buddy it's not the end of the story.
Here are the actual facts. Have fun and yes quote them all you want.
In 2015 steam had $3.5 Billion in sales (this includes from third part vendors) this is 15% of global PC sales. According to your own info consoles generated $34BILLION in sales that $30 BILLION MORE THAN STEAM.
As of November they only had 12 million concurrent users compared to Microsoft 48 million users.
48 MILLION is a lot more than 12 million and that's only comparing Xbox if you want we can destroy your "125 million steam numbers" by having psn and wii accounts added in.
Ok which is xb1 closest too? The top or the bottom? Please take your time as you study the above list.
I am sorry i dont understand what you are saying.
Steam accounts alone that are active is 125 million. the 'top' is mobile, not PS4.
your looking at the items within the category that is on the top of the earners list.
Wow you are struggling today aren't you. Ok first you were wrong (shocker we know) You said "xb1 is the lowest of the console". Above is the list of CONSOLES. Then you said Xbox one was at "near the bottom of that list" again you were wrong (another shocker) because it clearly is not.
How many times can you get caught in a lie dude? Have some self respect for yourself and try to actually Google some info and try to get something right today.
again your fixated on the wrong part of the story. I encourage you to focus on the intent of what was said. If I am wrong and even if Xbox One is the top selling console of all time it doesnt change the core of what I said which is Mobile first, PC second, Console third, 20 million is not a lot.
Steam active accounts ALONE is 125 million. 20 million units is not a lot, peroid end of story
Oh my you were destroyed about this stat in one of your last post...no little buddy it's not the end of the story.
Here are the actual facts. Have fun and yes quote them all you want.
In 2015 steam had $3.5 Billion in sales (this includes from third part vendors) this is 15% of global PC sales. According to your own info consoles generated $34BILLION in sales that $30 BILLION MORE THAN STEAM.
As of November they only had 12 million concurrent users compared to Microsoft 48 million users.
48 MILLION is a lot more than 12 million and that's only comparing Xbox if you want we can destroy your "125 million steam numbers" by having psn and wii accounts added in.
20 million units is not a lot of units.
mobile is the top seller, PC is the second revenue gainer, consoles are at the bottom.
if you disagree and find my statements unreasonable then DONT REPLY
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-So 90% of the mobile market is not using DirectX
-not all PC games are DIrectX by a good margin these days: can I see that link again on this specific claim please.
-Xbox One only has 20 million units, SOny has almos 40 million
it appears that DirectX is not as prevalent as people think
is that better?
what I was trying to illustrate then as i am this morning is not that OpenGL is the king or not the king because of derivatives of OpenGL or not but rather that DirectX APPEARS not to be the king
I would prefer people try at least to focus on the intent of a claim rather than getting lost in details that doesnt change the claim. The thing is if one is standing from a strong position they dont need to even do that
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good now we are clear, level headed and reasonable
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You see an normal person who thought the sales were "only" 10 million would actually no longer call it "only" once they were educated on their lie and the actual number was TWICE as much. But you need to stick with your desperate, weird crusade...
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Making the xbox One very possibly (not a claim but a suggestion) the least adopted gaming platform in this generation of gaming.
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Oh BTW the Wii U has also sold less than the XB1. Have you ever tried to do research before you post stuff?
I encourage you though to calm down and not take this all so personally, thank you for the correction please try not to be a dick about it though
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Thanks for the correction but it doesnt change the spirit of 'only 20 million'.
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1- PS4 (Top)
2- XB1
3- wii u
4- Steam machine (bottom)
Ok which is xb1 closest too? The top or the bottom? Please take your time as you study the above list.
Steam accounts alone that are active is 125 million. the 'top' is mobile, not PS4.
your looking at the items within the category that is on the top of the earners list.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
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How many times can you get caught in a lie In one day dude? Have some self respect And try to actually Google some info and try to get something right today.
Steam active accounts ALONE is 125 million. 20 million units is not a lot, peroid end of story
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Here are the actual facts. Have fun and yes quote them all you want.
In 2015 steam had $3.5 Billion in sales (this includes from third part vendors) this is 15% of global PC sales. According to your own info consoles generated $34BILLION in sales that $30 BILLION MORE THAN STEAM.
As of November they only had 12 million concurrent users compared to Microsoft 48 million users.
48 MILLION is a lot more than 12 million and that's only comparing Xbox if you want we can destroy your "125 million steam numbers" by having psn and wii accounts added in.
mobile is the top seller, PC is the second revenue gainer, consoles are at the bottom.
if you disagree and find my statements unreasonable then DONT REPLY
if the article is incorrect please illustrate
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