Haters will never be silenced by anything. There's no such thing as perfect games, if you want to hate on any game, you will always find something to hate about.
It's where the famous sentence comes: Haters gonna Hate. For all Eternity and Beyond.
I don't think it's realistic for them to release 3 major updates for Star Citizen and Squadron 42 all within four and a half months.
2.5 is about to be released, SQ42 i wouldn't expect it unless it just appears from sudden, 2.6's scope seems locked to SM and the big one that is 2.7 is where the whole question lies due its scope.
2.7 is the next milestone as far as I'm concerned. Some people estimate it around the end of the year - but I try to learn from experience, so I'd say we should probably expect it 2017 Q1.
Squadron 42 around Christmas 2017.
I'll be both shocked and worried if it comes out this year. If it does, then it's going to be severely cut back in terms of features.
2.7 is the next milestone as far as I'm concerned. Some people estimate it around the end of the year - but I try to learn from experience, so I'd say we should probably expect it 2017 Q1.
Squadron 42 around Christmas 2017.
I'll be both shocked and worried if it comes out this year. If it does, then it's going to be severely cut back in terms of features.
Is it honest and accurate to say that the scope of Star Citizen has expanded since the initial kickstart? Well,I think there are lots of people happy there's going to be so much depth to the game. Though, I think there may be some people wondering if/when the game will ever come out? Some may die of old age before that comes. Exaggeration aside, it is taking quite a while.
Is it honest and accurate to say that the scope of Star Citizen has expanded since the initial kickstart?
Definitely yes.
All stretch goals after 6 million were after the Kickstarter period. About half of those 6 M$ were from Kickstarter and half from CIGs own crowdfunding during Kickstarter.
The Kickstarter money constitutes now less than 2 % of the current SC funding.
I expected a 5 year development back in 2012 and it looks like that is a realistic number. End of 2017 we should have the solo game SQ42 and a big chunk of the PU too.
Is it honest and accurate to say that the scope of Star Citizen has expanded since the initial kickstart? Well,I think there are lots of people happy there's going to be so much depth to the game. Though, I think there may be some people wondering if/when the game will ever come out? Some may die of old age before that comes. Exaggeration aside, it is taking quite a while.
Vastly increased scope, yes.
It's very easy to see why people are sceptical - but that's largely because they think there are only two possible outcomes:
The game with all features mentioned - or nothing.
The realistic option is that they will release the best game they possibly can, given time and resources. Even if they only achieve 25% of the overall vision - it'll still be one hell of a game. From there, they can keep going if it's a successful release.
I mean, how insane do people think Roberts is, exactly? Is he just going to keep developing when the money runs out no matter what? Is he going to crash and burn on purpose - or will he do what 99,9% of humanity would do when faced with death or a reasonable compromise?
Obviously, even if he IS chasing perfection - which he's not - he's going to concede that perfection isn't possible and that eventually - he must release.
But let's not forget they took a public vote and something like 85% of all backers WANTED them to keep expanding the scope.
Is it honest and accurate to say that the scope of Star Citizen has expanded since the initial kickstart? Well,I think there are lots of people happy there's going to be so much depth to the game. Though, I think there may be some people wondering if/when the game will ever come out? Some may die of old age before that comes. Exaggeration aside, it is taking quite a while.
Vastly increased scope, yes.
It's very easy to see why people are sceptical - but that's largely because they think there are only two possible outcomes:
The game with all features mentioned - or nothing.
The realistic option is that they will release the best game they possibly can, given time and resources. Even if they only achieve 25% of the overall vision - it'll still be one hell of a game. From there, they can keep going if it's a successful release.
I mean, how insane do people think Roberts is, exactly? Is he just going to keep developing when the money runs out no matter what? Is he going to crash and burn on purpose - or will he do what 99,9% of humanity would do when faced with death or a reasonable compromise?
Obviously, even if he IS chasing perfection - which he's not - he's going to concede that perfection isn't possible and that eventually - he must release.
But let's not forget they took a public vote and something like 85% of all backers WANTED them to keep expanding the scope.
Actually that would be 85% of backers that voted. I would be more interested on how many backers didn't vote. Do any of you guys have that number? Oh wait you can't because you have non-backers from free fly week's mixed in with backers. But I tend to believe majority of backers were off doing other games and never knew about poll.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
Actually that would be 85% of backers that voted. I would be more interested on how many backers didn't vote. Do any of you guys have that number? Oh wait you can't because you have non-backers from free fly week's mixed in with backers. But I tend to believe majority of backers were off doing other games and never knew about poll.
O.o back then there was no such thing as free flights, there was no AC to fly on. xD
Actually that would be 85% of backers that voted. I would be more interested on how many backers didn't vote. Do any of you guys have that number? Oh wait you can't because you have non-backers from free fly week's mixed in with backers. But I tend to believe majority of backers were off doing other games and never knew about poll.
Let me guess .... you never heard about statistics, sample size calculation and confidence intervals.
Actually that would be 85% of backers that voted. I would be more interested on how many backers didn't vote. Do any of you guys have that number? Oh wait you can't because you have non-backers from free fly week's mixed in with backers. But I tend to believe majority of backers were off doing other games and never knew about poll.
Let me guess .... you never heard about statistics, sample size calculation and confidence intervals.
That for a population of millions you only have to query a few hundred to get an answer that is usually near the true value within a few percent.
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unless polls are manipulated. Which is a foregone conclusion on the internet.
A lot of crap has been spilled in this thread over night thats for sure.
But the funniest stuff is the 'wait til 2.7 talk'. EXACTLY what I said people would say. I mean come on you just had 2.5 release last week, wasnt that the next big update/milestone (after 2.4 and persistence totally flopped)?
Thats what I have said for quite awhile its now wait til xxx releases. The test bed (as I said in a post conveniently ignored by the white knights) has been out for 3 years, and it has since that time been a 'wait till the next update' circle jerk.
When will it FINALLY deliver something that everyone (supporters and critics) can agree is actually awesome and (at least in part) something genre breaking that Chris Roberts promised 4 or 5 years ago?
Now in terms of realistic expectations, they got persistence out, whether it is a laughable version of persistence or not they have at least reached a minimal viable version (the new SC mantra)of it. So I was sort of surprised they even bothered with 2.5 but it was ship heavy and tried to fix all the bugs persistence introduced. (it didnt) So I can sort of get it. Plus it was probably some stuff that was supposed to be in 2.4 and just got pushed. Now will there be a 2.6 before SQ 42? Maybe but more than likely not. I suspect they do some unversioned patches to fix the bugs but I doubt they introduce anything (they would deem) as update worthy.
I also said that, going forward it should be 99% SQ 42. But instead its been Sandy Gardiner and Twitter, showing a bunch of Arena Commander streams, highlighting the Star Marine icon every time they start a new Wing Commander session (which is awesome since it doesnt exist but they still have it there). Now that may all change over the next few days but its unlikely. I still think theyre going to try and steer the conversation away from SQ 42 or give the same generic canned answers they give on everything that is no where near where they said it would be r where people thought it would be. Like I also said (in that other ignored post) is that if they dont stream or show a SQ 42 session that is at least close to these Arena Commander streams then people thinking it will be out next year will be sorely disappointed. because Arena Commander is still a bugged mess that isnt close to retail release so its a pretty decent comparable product to what SQ 42 should be if they want to release it. Because I doubt that if they focused on AC they would even have that ready for a 2017 RETAIL (as in selling it for real and not as a pledge or whatever other nonsense wording they want to use) release.
Obviously speculation in most of that but its based on years and years of empirical evidence going back to every thing Chris Roberts has been involved in.
Hell it wouldnt be too much to say that SQ 42 could be retail ready and he (Roberts) could want to tweak something and delay it another year or more in doing so. But I am not that guy. I am hyper critical but its based on everything we have seen and heard.
I paied £30 for years of drama, i dont need the game i have had my money's worth allready
You still paid more than a lot of us have gotten for free.
If you havent paid, your're not emotionally attached like us others. Oh the fear of wether my $45 is wasted or not this game is half of the thrill. You got it for free but it's like watching a 3 D movie without the goggles I went all in with my $45, if it fails I can probably sue and Get 1000 times that back........ Or not Ahhhhhh the potential wins and loss of this is what drives me on
If I have lost my money I will go full forumtard and it will be worth 80$ of ranting
It's a win-win situation, and if you havent paid its a loss (if its a good game released) or a win if its crap. STILL..... Win-win is the best Bwahahahahaha
I paied £30 for years of drama, i dont need the game i have had my money's worth allready
You still paid more than a lot of us have gotten for free.
haha true that but atleast i only paid £30 and not 1000+ like some,
tbh if i get a return on my £30 i will be shocked.
What would it take to get you a return? I mean they're stream for 5 days during gamescom, so I'm thinking that the element of surprise should be decreased substantially at this point, no? If anything, with all the steaming, etc., etc. I'd say that actually getting the game and playing it is probably going to be pretty anti-climactic.
I paied £30 for years of drama, i dont need the game i have had my money's worth allready
You still paid more than a lot of us have gotten for free.
haha true that but atleast i only paid £30 and not 1000+ like some,
tbh if i get a return on my £30 i will be shocked.
What would it take to get you a return? I mean they're stream for 5 days during gamescom, so I'm thinking that the element of surprise should be decreased substantially at this point, no? If anything, with all the steaming, etc., etc. I'd say that actually getting the game and playing it is probably going to be pretty anti-climactic.
A return would be having the game fully playable not some stream.
I paied £30 for years of drama, i dont need the game i have had my money's worth allready
You still paid more than a lot of us have gotten for free.
If you havent paid, your're not emotionally attached like us others. Oh the fear of wether my $45 is wasted or not this game is half of the thrill. You got it for free but it's like watching a 3 D movie without the goggles I went all in with my $45, if it fails I can probably sue and Get 1000 times that back........ Or not Ahhhhhh the potential wins and loss of this is what drives me on
If I have lost my money I will go full forumtard and it will be worth 80$ of ranting
It's a win-win situation, and if you havent paid its a loss (if its a good game released) or a win if its crap. STILL..... Win-win is the best Bwahahahahaha
Thats true I guess. I am a gambler and I bet on sports everyday. But that slaso makes me immune to the emotional ups and downs of it.
But equating money given to a project that promised a product in return isnt really the same as gambling, but thats sort of where you guys are now.
I paied £30 for years of drama, i dont need the game i have had my money's worth allready
You still paid more than a lot of us have gotten for free.
If you havent paid, your're not emotionally attached like us others. Oh the fear of wether my $45 is wasted or not this game is half of the thrill. You got it for free but it's like watching a 3 D movie without the goggles I went all in with my $45, if it fails I can probably sue and Get 1000 times that back........ Or not Ahhhhhh the potential wins and loss of this is what drives me on
If I have lost my money I will go full forumtard and it will be worth 80$ of ranting
It's a win-win situation, and if you havent paid its a loss (if its a good game released) or a win if its crap. STILL..... Win-win is the best Bwahahahahaha
Thats true I guess. I am a gambler and I bet on sports everyday. But that slaso makes me immune to the emotional ups and downs of it.
But equating money given to a project that promised a product in return isnt really the same as gambling, but thats sort of where you guys are now.
Immune to the emotional ups and downs?
Isn't that why most gamblers gamble? You know... for the rush.
Is it honest and accurate to say that the scope of Star Citizen has expanded since the initial kickstart?
Definitely yes.
All stretch goals after 6 million were after the Kickstarter period. About half of those 6 M$ were from Kickstarter and half from CIGs own crowdfunding during Kickstarter.
The Kickstarter money constitutes now less than 2 % of the current SC funding.
I expected a 5 year development back in 2012 and it looks like that is a realistic number. End of 2017 we should have the solo game SQ42 and a big chunk of the PU too.
Have fun
Sure its honest if you ignore the lies and twist them untill they are believable. The scope has not been expanded from the original kickstarter anyone can see the scope from the kickstarter video. The only thing that did expand was they decided to try and make the game without using loadscreens. Other then that there is nothing added to this game that expanded the scope. Chris has spouted a load of lies to hype the project and suck money so he can fund it.
Which makes me wonder when will he stop lying in order to suck money. I doubt it will ever stop.
Is it honest and accurate to say that the scope of Star Citizen has expanded since the initial kickstart?
Definitely yes.
All stretch goals after 6 million were after the Kickstarter period. About half of those 6 M$ were from Kickstarter and half from CIGs own crowdfunding during Kickstarter.
The Kickstarter money constitutes now less than 2 % of the current SC funding.
I expected a 5 year development back in 2012 and it looks like that is a realistic number. End of 2017 we should have the solo game SQ42 and a big chunk of the PU too.
Have fun
Sure its honest if you ignore the lies and twist them untill they are believable. The scope has not been expanded from the original kickstarter anyone can see the scope from the kickstarter video. The only thing that did expand was they decided to try and make the game without using loadscreens. Other then that there is nothing added to this game that expanded the scope. Chris has spouted a load of lies to hype the project and suck money so he can fund it.
Which makes me wonder when will he stop lying in order to suck money. I doubt it will ever stop.
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It's where the famous sentence comes: Haters gonna Hate. For all Eternity and Beyond.
2.5 is about to be released, SQ42 i wouldn't expect it unless it just appears from sudden, 2.6's scope seems locked to SM and the big one that is 2.7 is where the whole question lies due its scope.
Squadron 42 around Christmas 2017.
I'll be both shocked and worried if it comes out this year. If it does, then it's going to be severely cut back in terms of features.
Well,I think there are lots of people happy there's going to be so much depth to the game.
Though, I think there may be some people wondering if/when the game will ever come out?
Some may die of old age before that comes. Exaggeration aside, it is taking quite a while.
All stretch goals after 6 million were after the Kickstarter period. About half of those 6 M$ were from Kickstarter and half from CIGs own crowdfunding during Kickstarter.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals
The Kickstarter money constitutes now less than 2 % of the current SC funding.
I expected a 5 year development back in 2012 and it looks like that is a realistic number. End of 2017 we should have the solo game SQ42 and a big chunk of the PU too.
Have fun
It's very easy to see why people are sceptical - but that's largely because they think there are only two possible outcomes:
The game with all features mentioned - or nothing.
The realistic option is that they will release the best game they possibly can, given time and resources. Even if they only achieve 25% of the overall vision - it'll still be one hell of a game. From there, they can keep going if it's a successful release.
I mean, how insane do people think Roberts is, exactly? Is he just going to keep developing when the money runs out no matter what? Is he going to crash and burn on purpose - or will he do what 99,9% of humanity would do when faced with death or a reasonable compromise?
Obviously, even if he IS chasing perfection - which he's not - he's going to concede that perfection isn't possible and that eventually - he must release.
But let's not forget they took a public vote and something like 85% of all backers WANTED them to keep expanding the scope.
Rob Manuel
http://www.nss.gov.au/nss/home.nsf/pages/Sample+size+calculator
That for a population of millions you only have to query a few hundred to get an answer that is usually near the true value within a few percent.
Have fun
A lot of crap has been spilled in this thread over night thats for sure.
But the funniest stuff is the 'wait til 2.7 talk'. EXACTLY what I said people would say. I mean come on you just had 2.5 release last week, wasnt that the next big update/milestone (after 2.4 and persistence totally flopped)?
Thats what I have said for quite awhile its now wait til xxx releases. The test bed (as I said in a post conveniently ignored by the white knights) has been out for 3 years, and it has since that time been a 'wait till the next update' circle jerk.
When will it FINALLY deliver something that everyone (supporters and critics) can agree is actually awesome and (at least in part) something genre breaking that Chris Roberts promised 4 or 5 years ago?
Now in terms of realistic expectations, they got persistence out, whether it is a laughable version of persistence or not they have at least reached a minimal viable version (the new SC mantra)of it. So I was sort of surprised they even bothered with 2.5 but it was ship heavy and tried to fix all the bugs persistence introduced. (it didnt) So I can sort of get it. Plus it was probably some stuff that was supposed to be in 2.4 and just got pushed. Now will there be a 2.6 before SQ 42? Maybe but more than likely not. I suspect they do some unversioned patches to fix the bugs but I doubt they introduce anything (they would deem) as update worthy.
I also said that, going forward it should be 99% SQ 42. But instead its been Sandy Gardiner and Twitter, showing a bunch of Arena Commander streams, highlighting the Star Marine icon every time they start a new Wing Commander session (which is awesome since it doesnt exist but they still have it there). Now that may all change over the next few days but its unlikely. I still think theyre going to try and steer the conversation away from SQ 42 or give the same generic canned answers they give on everything that is no where near where they said it would be r where people thought it would be. Like I also said (in that other ignored post) is that if they dont stream or show a SQ 42 session that is at least close to these Arena Commander streams then people thinking it will be out next year will be sorely disappointed. because Arena Commander is still a bugged mess that isnt close to retail release so its a pretty decent comparable product to what SQ 42 should be if they want to release it. Because I doubt that if they focused on AC they would even have that ready for a 2017 RETAIL (as in selling it for real and not as a pledge or whatever other nonsense wording they want to use) release.
Obviously speculation in most of that but its based on years and years of empirical evidence going back to every thing Chris Roberts has been involved in.
Hell it wouldnt be too much to say that SQ 42 could be retail ready and he (Roberts) could want to tweak something and delay it another year or more in doing so. But I am not that guy. I am hyper critical but its based on everything we have seen and heard.
#Conspiracy O.o
tbh if i get a return on my £30 i will be shocked.
I went all in with my $45, if it fails I can probably sue and Get 1000 times that back........ Or not
Ahhhhhh the potential wins and loss of this is what drives me on
If I have lost my money I will go full forumtard and it will be worth 80$ of ranting
It's a win-win situation, and if you havent paid its a loss (if its a good game released) or a win if its crap.
STILL..... Win-win is the best
Bwahahahahaha
What would it take to get you a return? I mean they're stream for 5 days during gamescom, so I'm thinking that the element of surprise should be decreased substantially at this point, no? If anything, with all the steaming, etc., etc. I'd say that actually getting the game and playing it is probably going to be pretty anti-climactic.
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But equating money given to a project that promised a product in return isnt really the same as gambling, but thats sort of where you guys are now.
Isn't that why most gamblers gamble? You know... for the rush.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Which makes me wonder when will he stop lying in order to suck money. I doubt it will ever stop.