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The best part is the MOD Nadias' response: "This has nothing to do with SWG game play."
WTF!!??
It has EVERYTHING to do with SWG gameplay!!! Subscribers want to know if their game is being canned and they're told that's not a relevant question??!! $OE is reaching for new standards of self-dellusions!
Assuming the rumour is true, assuming Bioware is given the SW license:
Free! Free! We are free at last" !!!
$OE thought they were "above the law", but they weren't!!
If this rumour is true, if things change and $OE crash and burn then it will be the doing of all the vets and Refugees out there. Job well done. It took awhile, but even giants can be brought down
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I know celebrations are premature, but my hands won't come down!!!
14600 views in less than 24 hours and god only knows how many cross referenced sites. I kinda get the feeling that that so called 80% isn't in the game but rather lurking like the rest of us waiting for good news...
Even if it isn't true - the attention alone ought to show the powers that be something. People want change. System, ownership or entire game-wise - there is a rather large audience standing outside the door with wallets in their hand waiting for something to give. People bot for and against literally clamor over themselves when any bit of news about this Flying Dutchman comes out. Be it rumor, fact or just hope.
not defending soe here but you are all celebrating like this guys one single post is the exact truth, and realistically none of you have any concrete proof , just a lot of ifs and buts and maybes and coincidences, fair enough hoping for it but dont start celebrating its demise yet simply from one single forum post. Without actual proof this is like me goign to the cops and pointing out a random person saying
me:"yes thats the murderer there"
police"do you have any proof sir?"
me "Nope but i spoke to my friend on the phone and he says its him"
I have read most of the post, and i think most of us is "hoping" not celebrating, though
just the thought about SOE lose the rights and a "new" swg is on a horizon makes ppl
go happy. Come on lets hold hands and hope together
LOL, We can only hope
Just remember that LA pulled the CU that was in Alpha and forced the CU we got at basically the last minute. LA also drove the NGE.
LA calls the shots so if Bioware takes over the liscense just look for the same 'ol same 'ol. AND LA (Ms. MacIntyre) has already stated that the original SWG was TOO Difficulet and had TOO much reading. If any, look for a more console game set in an MMO atmosphere...
The dev's favorite lapdog DickSmac...er BadgerSmaker is refuting this as rumor.
But since when were the Senators ever informed about anthing? If this rumor were true, they would find out about when we did.
So I say it means nothing.... if a RED name debunks it directly though, what then?
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=618098&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Hope reigns eternal eh.......
Well if this mob do take over we still have to deal with LAE and they are just as bad if not worse than SOE . I hate SOE with a passion for their handleing of us and their lies but I still feel LAE had a lot more to do with what the game was like that anyone gives them credit for.
You cannot hold what one person said against an entire company. Yes she said it. But that was also when the NGE first came out. Lucas Arts could have seen how much this has stirred up and want to save their reputation so they are going back on what they did. It would be a good move but I don't think that they had as much to do with the NGE as people think. I think SOE was the main factor behind that and they convinced JT then he convinced those at Lucas Arts. When was the last time we heard anything from JT anyway? I seriously think that Lucas Arts sees what this game has become and are trying to save it. They, unlike SOE, want to please their customers and it seems like they are willing to admit they made a mistake if they were as involved as you say they were.
Pepi Deto
Colonel Rebel Alliance
Corbantis Server
"Any company who tries to 'wait it out' will be just that, out!" - Tommy Boy
BadgerLicker hahaha what a total sycophant . What is the matter with that bloke, so far up his own rectum he can see what he had for lunch an hour earlier.
But they didn't line ONE line of code. Everything boils down to how $OE coded it, failed to fix bugs and add content. LA just told them to fix it... $OE designed both "fixes".
Yes, LA is partially responsible. The same way Rumsfeld is responsible for Abu Grahbe.. but he isn't blamed, is he?
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
No longer visiting MMORPG.com.
BadgerSmaker is a brownnose.
I dont like people like him. Its embarrassing to read how much he tries to be loved by SoE.
Well, he will figure it out himself, soon®
So what happens if a red names comments ?
Nothing !
I would even think, that any redname, not working in the very upper floors even knows the truth which is handled on the administrative level.
Remember CU, remember NGE and timing, remember all and enough of these things:
A redname said so and the other day he was proofed wrong. I say "wrong", not lying by intention - but i think that the rednames dont know anything important theirself.
They just get orders like
"One click combat, 2 days, no testing, copy on my desk. Thank you"
Thats it...puppets....
Remember Tiggs, that was one of the reasons she quitted (was quitted, however):
She was tired to be FORCED to lie to the community by the circumstances described above.
The only one really confirming or denying this rumour will be the producer of this game from LEC or from SoE.
Smedley dont counts, he would even sell his mother just to become a dwarf at BLizzard for one day.
Claude
Yes, LA is partially responsible. The same way Rumsfeld is responsible for Abu Grahbe.. but he isn't blamed, is he?
Can you please leave the Sec of Defense out of this? Think before you speak and put on the uniform like I did before you accuse someone of something that you know nothing about except what the media tells you. I get sick and tired of people accusing and bitching about the current administration when they have no idea what is even going on. I can tell you from experience and from what my friends who are over there tell me. What we did was right regardless of what the libral commy media says. They are all draft dodgers and they should be tried for treason. Unless they go and put on the uniform and go fight I personally feel like they have no right to talk. I put on the uniform and fight to protect this country only to have people bitch about it. Show some respect for your government and the troops who protect you. It is because of assholes like you we had to pull out of vietnam. Because the morale was so low because of public sentiment at home. So try SUPPORTING instead of bitching.
Pepi Deto
Colonel Rebel Alliance
Corbantis Server
"Any company who tries to 'wait it out' will be just that, out!" - Tommy Boy
Yes, LA is partially responsible. The same way Rumsfeld is responsible for Abu Grahbe.. but he isn't blamed, is he?
Can you please leave the Sec of Defense out of this? Think before you speak and put on the uniform like I did before you accuse someone of something that you know nothing about except what the media tells you. I get sick and tired of people accusing and bitching about the current administration when they have no idea what is even going on. I can tell you from experience and from what my friends who are over there tell me. What we did was right regardless of what the libral commy media says. They are all draft dodgers and they should be tried for treason. Unless they go and put on the uniform and go fight I personally feel like they have no right to talk. I put on the uniform and fight to protect this country only to have people bitch about it. Show some respect for your government and the troops who protect you. It is because of assholes like you we had to pull out of vietnam. Because the morale was so low because of public sentiment at home. So try SUPPORTING instead of bitching.
LOL what was that about? Vientam etc, im not going in to discsussion, but please stay to the subject ALL
I guess it is possible, but like folks said before have to be careful of rumors. One thing I do have to throw in the pot is that Bioware with Pandemic Studios did open a new office in Austin, TX. If you go to the Bioware site and look under employment they are looking for several designers and a services director who specifically needs to have experience managing online gaming services.
Bioware has experience working with Lucas Arts with KOTOR and I found this on Pandemic's Studios:
"An established reputation for releasing the highest quality entertainment and cutting edge original content has allowed Pandemic to work with major licenses, recruit the world's best development talent, and build strong relationships with the industry's leading publishers, including THQ, LucasArts, Electronic Arts, and Activision. In the past 18 months alone, Pandemic has released a series of six best-selling hit titles, including this falls Star Wars Battlefront II, and critically acclaimed favorites Mercenaries, Full Spectrum Warrior, and Destroy All Humans."
So, not to say that such a rumor is true ... consider this:
* Neither Company currently has an online game
* Both have previously good and very productive/profitable relationships
* Both companies have very good experience designing Star Wars worlds (fantastic artwork and animation imho)
Hopefully this rumor proves true ... now if we can just force the planets into alignment!
Erom Irak
Ex-SWGer, NGE roadkill
Yes, LA is partially responsible."
Ok lets decipher this and try another angle at it.
Personally I have bashed SOE as much as the average person can. Not just on this forum but on their own forums. Anyway...
So here is the question I have from what you said..
Basicly SOE which as you note $OE a company totally driven by money kills SWG because..
What they didn't want a game they paid a license fee to LAE for?
They could have just walked away or sold their interest saying they were wanting to concentrate on other projects.
See I ask this because they seem pretty dedicated to adding to and improving EQ2. Not that I'm going to say I agree with what they have done all around. However, I don't think you can look at EQ2 and say it hasn't improved since launch.
While obviously the same cannot be said about SWG.
People claim in this thread that SOE made the decisions under some general direction of LAE and that SOE never had a time they "listened" to us.
Sorry but when Gordon Walton was put in the producer seat (he had a pretty good blurg in newsletter 14 which is still lurking around the SWG site if you search for it).
Oddly for the first time since EQ1 started having a SOE tag I felt like they were making changes based on player feedback. Not just player feedback but the actual things that made sense rather than the generic whines of nerf this it can kill me etc..
Gordon was also promising that the CU would not go live until ready. Mysteriously shortly before Episode 3 he vanishes from SOE (obviously turning up at BioWare now) and we get an announcement. That the CU will instead be tied to RoTW and has to launch in time for EP3 not just in time but a few weeks ahead of the movie.
Now seriously why in the hell would SOE care about launching it that way. It has LAE written all over it. SOE had seemed content to let Gordon do things his way until that point.
Ya ok so the expansion tied around a movie maybe more sales.. But SOE is a company that at that had a history with EQ1 that is... expansion... expansion... expansion.
SOE had more of a tendency to dangle some in game item with the expansion to make you want it than to tie it to dates. Like with POK expansion for EQ1 travel was so much faster using the port stones... or buying an expansion gave you twice as many bank slots (think that was pok too but I forget). So on some level there were reasons to buy the expansion...
Just like with JTL even if you had no interest.. it sure as heck was the fastest way to travel at the time. So in some sense it was worth buying to everyone.
Anyway you could be correct.. but I think its just as likely that LAE is at least as much if not more at fault than SOE.
EQ1 has run over 7 years now (even tho in my mind they bought the product) and EQ2 is actually improving even tho as I like to point out they consolidated servers already.
SWG never really seemed to improve after launch (overall) and definitely is on its last legs.
The only thing different beyond that with SWG is ... LAE.
Find it odd how SOE just happened to really suck at that one game. Yes I know that Planetside was ruined as well for people that liked it. I never had any interest in it so its hard for me to personally say what it was and what it became... where I had some interest at times in EQ1, EQ2 and SWG so its easier for me to give my personal opinion.
Now to end this ramble... with..
$OE is obviously a company driven by profit over all else. That is why I cannot believe they did what happened to SWG entirely or even mostly on their own. It had to be obvious to anyone with a brain they were going to destroy the game with this crap. They are obviously still (unless it was pulled) paying a license fee to LAE.. so the game isn't even making SOE as much profit as it could especially with the current subscriber base. If they hated the game that much it would have been just so much easier to sell the rights to another DEV (with LAE's blessing) with the statement they wanted to work on their one IP's or other projects...
Based on what I've seen in SWG.. if this was/is entirely SOE's fault I fail to grasp how EQ1 is still running at all... let alone they were still around to make EQ2.
"I guess it is possible, but like folks said before have to be careful of rumors. One thing I do have to throw in the pot is that Bioware with Pandemic Studios did open a new office in Austin, TX. If you go to the Bioware site and look under employment they are looking for several designers and a services director who specifically needs to have experience managing online gaming services."
Since you mentioned this position (Service Director). If you go beyond the "qualifications" and look at the job duties you will see...
"Build and run the operations, enterprise applications and customer service for a multi-game online service."
Notice the part about...
multi-game online service.
Makes me wonder what their long term plans are.
http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/jobs/positions/austin_service_director.html
I don't dispute the fact the Bioware/Pandemic are opening offices to start a new MMO.... but the question is is that MMO SWG?
I'm not sure if I believe it yet. But i'm certainly closer to believing than disbelieving.