I dont know if those screen shots are supposed to prove that the game is or is not dieing...
But I can tell you that that is a very, very low amount of people compared to pre-CU and even CU. Of course, its impossible to say how many people are out on missions/in player cities/etc, but I would take that as 1) evidence (maybe not proof) that the server populations are lower, and 2) fairly strong evidence that the community aspect of the game is now almost completely gone.
I started playing swg at launch, i quit as a direct result of the nge, not because they changed it, but because the ui worked so badly, i came back to see if it was fixed and it is , more or less. Server populations are improving, but they still havnt made new content for the cl lvl 30-60 range yet, without it its a very long grind, and the gcw is dead, dead, dead, with every publish more of my base dissapears, now there are no walls, no npcs and the terms dont work becasue the professions needed to use them are not in the game anymore. in a few more publishes the bases will not be there at all, i think. all around i see broken content and unfinished ideas if this keeps going like it is it wont be repairable. its to bad, they worked on it until it was broke beyound repair.
curious how they would get you information? isn't there laws to protect your identity on these forums? seems to me that you could have lawsuit there just of violation of privacy. but i'm not a lawyer. also your free to write and express whatever the heck you want regardless of your sources that where the "freedome of speech" if they can tell you, you can't say stuff like that then well where's the "freedom" thats my opinion.
I remember when nge hit we had a 2 week prior notice, it was the atomic bomb of the update so i think we will know till the very end if LA goes with Bioware. The game may have some people left but till when, publish 34? That mean august because soe always had the need to publish 2 update a month. So i think, if swg doesnt do better, i mean cash and sub, it will be closed or sold.
But i dont think this will happen, i think with the strong marketing sense of soe have renewned the contract with LA offering better than bioware.
Originally posted by Soejckdswg curious how they would get you information? isn't there laws to protect your identity on these forums? seems to me that you could have lawsuit there just of violation of privacy. but i'm not a lawyer. also your free to write and express whatever the heck you want regardless of your sources that where the "freedome of speech" if they can tell you, you can't say stuff like that then well where's the "freedom" thats my opinion.
Ceasar
Nope... they can get info now if the legal mumbo jumbo they are doing is legit. Some online places fight them, others jsut roll over.
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars.. Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons... Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
I seriously doubt it. Libel has to prove what I said was a known lie and I published it anyways with the intent to harm soe as soe is a public figure its very very difficult to prove libel.
I posted it was a rumor therefore they cannot hold me libel in court. If I said its true 100% then yes. Which I did not.
I hate to make a break in all the tension but honestly folks, don't you think SOE has better things to do than chase down dozens of dozens of individuals? It takes quite a bit of effort to sue someone, you'd think they'ed put this much effort into fixing their game up!
You can tear into me if you'd like, but come on, these are perfectly good people who are just trying to stir up a little hope in a product we all had alot of hope for.
Originally posted by Aquacadet I hate to make a break in all the tension but honestly folks, don't you think SOE has better things to do than chase down dozens of dozens of individuals? It takes quite a bit of effort to sue someone, you'd think they'ed put this much effort into fixing their game up! You can tear into me if you'd like, but come on, these are perfectly good people who are just trying to stir up a little hope in a product we all had alot of hope for. All legalities and red tape aside, what gives?
Normally I would agree.. I do Law Enforcement and have seen people sue for the most idiotic reasons. My point is I do beleive $OE has nothing better to do with the moeny sent in than sue people for stupid reasons. God knows they arent spending any of that money on trying to improve the game or get competant people in positions of power.
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars.. Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons... Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
oh come one...making lawsuits and winning some of them, if a very good way for a game to stay in operational mode. when all the players have gone, when most of the players online are bots with sophisticated AI, when the revenues are to a minimum, they will start making lawsuits. an excellent source of income, especially if they manage to drag into court the entire gaming community. and in the end its a win0win scenario. since they have already lost the faith of the gaming community and they are the laughing stock of many sites, they cant gain any more money from them, and they cant loose what they never had. but imagine if they do manage to win...WOW(and i dont mean the game)....the money inflow will be tremendous...we shall see our fav game with more iconic classes(like the small robot where we used to kill in Dark Forces in order to get batteries, like the interogation droid, like a cleaning droid, where we could actually work in cantinas)...and the NGE3.4...with the newest in BUG capability... i envy the players that will live to see this to happen (den pame kalaaaaaaaa)
Originally posted by Jodokai Originally posted by Hamrtime I think YOU need to look up "hypocrite" because you are spelling it wrong. You're right, I forgot to type the 'e' but at least I know what the word means. You obviously don't, because nothing I've said (at least here) is hypocritical. If the people arent in the big cities, not in the player cities, or in space. Where are they? I guess mustofar is such a popular place that everyone is there. TELL ME THEN MR. CLUELESS WHERE EVERYONE IS, AND I WILL APPOLOGIZE TO YOU RIGHT HERE. I never stated that Obraik said that there was as many people the first year. I'm going to say it again, don't ask me why, after about 25 times you still haven't gotten it, but I'll try it in all caps then maybe you'll catch on I NEVER SAID THE GAME HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE, I NEVER SAID THE GAME HAD ANY PEOPLE. ALL I SAID WAS THAT THE LARGE CITIES NOT HAVING PEOPLE IN THEM IS NOT AN INDICATOR OF SERVER POPULATION. Does any of that make sense to you? Do you get what I'm saying? If not have someone explain it to you, because I'm done trying. Reread it. Obraik thinks the game is growing and everything is fine, or will be fine in swg land. I just like the other 200k people think otherwise. You are the one who needs to get a clue. Actually, you're the clueless one again. Please show me the line where Obraik says "everything is fine", and then show me the line where I say the population is fine. I know it must be difficult for you but try taking the time to READ the posts. All he is saying is the game is not dead. Now before your head explodes, I'm not saying I agree, I'm not saying I disagree with him, I'm just telling you what he REALLY said. And one more thing Mr. Knowitall. I never said that the big cities being deserted was the only indicator. It is one of many indicators that proves that swg is dead. I never said you did. Remember slick, YOU dragged ME into this using your inappropiate insult of "hypocrite",misquoting me, and getting wrong everything I really said. I had given up trying to explain anything to you a long time ago, you rehashed all this not me. After our last conversation about this subject, I took it upon myself to look around on other planets, player cities, caves, space and everywhere else I could think of where your so-called paying subscibers might be. And here we see again your lack of reading comprehension. See they're not my "so-called paying subscribers" again I've never said there were any, you just can't seem to absorb that fact. How exactly did you "check space"? What did you fly to every possible location in space looking for people? No really I believe you, I do (I figure if I use sarcasm enough I won't have to point it out all the time). Guess what the conclusion was? No one is playing just like I said before. And yes...you can look at Theed, Coronet and Bestine as an indicator of the server population. Its just that one cant take those places as the only foundation for such accusations. I hope this is clear enough for you to understand. Read it a few times before you post more embarassing comments that make you look uneducated and ignorant. You've misquoted and gotten wrong EVERYTHING you've responded to, and have no idea what the word hypocrite means, and I look uneducated? Yikes, if I look uneducated then you must look like a complete moron.
Get over it loser. Youre right, hypocrite isnt the right word. I should have used delusional. I want to know what town you live in so I know not where to drink the water. Do they still use lead paint where you live?
OMG......You call that alot of people? But didnt you say that big cities arent the place to see how populated a server is? You are contradictng yourself. You count 11 people in theed crowded? Now go into the cantina in cnet and take a shot, go into the cantina in theed and take a screenshot. Its funny how you want to make people think that there are tons of people playing when you can take a screenshot of anywhere where people are. You have no idea what a crowded city is do you? I cant wait for the day that swg shuts down due to lack of server population and I can give you a big "haha I told you so". You are clearly at the point of no return on your opinion of whats going on with swg. No matter what you read, see, or what actions are taken at soe you clearly will go down with the ship. And when it sinks to the bottom youre gonna be standing there with your tool in your hand crying like a little school girl saying "Wha...wha....what happened?"
I think a lot of you have missed the point of the screen shots.
There were probably over 50 people in Mos Eisley. Look at the radar in my screen shots.
Yes, people were just "standing around in Theed" but that's because it's a screen shot, which means it's like a photograph, not a movie. I didn't even check out the Cantina and saw probably 30 people in the minute and a half I was there.
On Mustfara I walked into the first room and saw a group getting ready to go out. It was a room that has NOTHING. There is no reason for people to be there, and I found people. I didn't bother to go down where all the quests are handed out, I didn't go outside where every fights, just walked into the first room and left. It took me a whopping 15 seconds to find a group of people.
So my point is, as much as it pains me to say it, this game is not dead. There are people playing the game. I was on for a total of probably 10 minutes with load times (I love watching that Mustafar movie) and seeing what people were saying in the Cantina.
Originally posted by Jodokai I think a lot of you have missed the point of the screen shots. There were probably over 50 people in Mos Eisley. Look at the radar in my screen shots. Yes, people were just "standing around in Theed" but that's because it's a screen shot, which means it's like a photograph, not a movie. I didn't even check out the Cantina and saw probably 30 people in the minute and a half I was there. On Mustfara I walked into the first room and saw a group getting ready to go out. It was a room that has NOTHING. There is no reason for people to be there, and I found people. I didn't bother to go down where all the quests are handed out, I didn't go outside where every fights, just walked into the first room and left. It took me a whopping 15 seconds to find a group of people. So my point is, as much as it pains me to say it, this game is not dead. There are people playing the game. I was on for a total of probably 10 minutes with load times (I love watching that Mustafar movie) and seeing what people were saying in the Cantina. Tonight I'll see if Bria is any different.
I count 27 on that eisley radar, 8 on mustafar, around 15-20 in theed.
Here's the SWG I remember (Bria). Since I do not have the screenshots, I'll need to make educated guesses. A group was 20 people at that time:
cnet starport: 4-6 docs, 5-10 people in each line = 20-60 people cnet others: 10-20 cnet cantina: 1 semi full ent group = 15 cnet visitors (ent buff group): 10-20 chet med center: 3-6 docs, 5-10 visitors = 60-130
mos eisley cantina: 1 full ent group + visitors mos eisley sp and vicinity: around 20 total jabba's themepark: 5 people minimum at any time tat krayt spaws: 15 people anytime easily (usually in groups of 3-6)
dant MO: 4 solo groups at any time, hard to get in as they were always full dant MO others: 10+ people at any time, at least 1 doc + 5 people in line = around 100
dath village: 20+ at any time, some just dumping xp dath SO: baz nitch runners, usually one group there dath SO cantina: 4 ent regulars, 10-20 visitors (judged from group size) dath (other outpost): 10 = 70 - 100
endor: hard to say, but you'd see your share of jedi grinders
player cities: Many guilds hung out at player cities exclusively. On Bria, going to Bastion as overt rebel would lead to at least 10 imperials porting in within 2 minutes.
pvp: Base raids every several days would bring in at least 3 full groups on either side (120 people total). Largest battles that put real pressure on the server involved 200-300 people (I actually have some screenshots lying around of that). Typical pvp would involve one group minimum on both sides.
Before they removed it, you could set up chat selection window, and look who has joined the "Auction" channel. Everyone who was logged in would apear there, regardless of /anon. Minimal population of tat was 250+ at any given time. Dant was 300+, dath 150+, don't remember the rest.
During the post-cu jedi grind after rryat was "closed", Lok on Bria would sometimes peak 400.
Another major aspect are the traders. Last time I looked around two months ago, vendors were abandoned. A small number of people was selling either LS resources, or looted armor and clothing. Looking at the map hardly any vendors apeared anymore, where they used to be litered. Any and
No, the game is not dead, far from it. But active population fell through the floor.
And yea, i know, before it was all afk-bots, everyone was just running afk macros that played the game for you, so please disregard anyone claiming high population before NGE or even higher before CU. /endsarcasm
The fact that they're threatning to sue because it's a false rumour is a giant flashing neon sign saying the rumours are false
Hate to break this to you, but you can't sue someone unless they're revealing TRUE inside information. And before you flame me, I know form professional experience.
If there wasn't some truth to it, they wouldn't even risk threatening, since they can be sued for it. Welcome to America, here's your lawyer!
That said, if these letters are true, they are proof.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
So my point is, as much as it pains me to say it, this game is not dead. There are people playing the game. I was on for a total of probably 10 minutes with load times (I love watching that Mustafar movie) and seeing what people were saying in the Cantina. Tonight I'll see if Bria is any different.
ROFL.... Even Smed sayd the game is bleeding to death. Man, even the hardcore RP's are quitting now. Oh, and there are 25 other servers, Bria isn't the only one.
It's over. It's sad, but it's over. SOE is now hoping the PS3 will save it (trying to tempt LA to stay for it), and it won't, since a bad game with bad press doesn't sell no matter what platform.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by Steelarm011 Wow I have to admit he number of posts about SWG in the last week has been staggering. Really. The interest in this game is actually really surprising. As for the arguments for SWG being "dead"....its not. In fact, not one MMO is really dead. I dont really think an MMO is going to "die." These are NEW GAMES we are dealing with people. These new games came out in the last oh I should say 10 years. These arent like the games you bought in stores. It is extremely hard for MMO's to die becuase there such a large playerbase. SWG is dying, yes, but it will never die. We can all cut the crap here to say that it isnt losing a playerbase. I think we can all say the majority of SWG's playerbase is gone, just take a freakin look at the forums on here and other sites. Its ridiculous how SOE has hurt SWG. The stupidity of the dev team is...well quite frankly I think my 11 year old cousin can make a better game than all of the dev's ideas for it combined. You know what I think ya'll need? I think ya'll need to chill out and have a great bowl of:
Umm, so AC 2 is just dieing eh? Maybe you remember another one called Earth & Beyond?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
So my point is, as much as it pains me to say it, this game is not dead. There are people playing the game. I was on for a total of probably 10 minutes with load times (I love watching that Mustafar movie) and seeing what people were saying in the Cantina.
Tonight I'll see if Bria is any different.
ROFL.... Even Smed sayd the game is bleeding to death. Man, even the hardcore RP's are quitting now. Oh, and there are 25 other servers, Bria isn't the only one.
It's over. It's sad, but it's over. SOE is now hoping the PS3 will save it (trying to tempt LA to stay for it), and it won't, since a bad game with bad press doesn't sell no matter what platform.
Er no, Smed said that the game is losing people at a lesser rate then before the NGE...
While we're doing show and tell, here's tonights server loads at around 9pm EST. No, there aren't the heavies like there was pre-nge, but it ain't dead
Originally posted by Hamrtime OMG......You call that alot of people? But didnt you say that big cities arent the place to see how populated a server is? You are contradictng yourself. You count 11 people in theed crowded? Now go into the cantina in cnet and take a shot, go into the cantina in theed and take a screenshot. Its funny how you want to make people think that there are tons of people playing when you can take a screenshot of anywhere where people are. You have no idea what a crowded city is do you? I cant wait for the day that swg shuts down due to lack of server population and I can give you a big "haha I told you so". You are clearly at the point of no return on your opinion of whats going on with swg. No matter what you read, see, or what actions are taken at soe you clearly will go down with the ship. And when it sinks to the bottom youre gonna be standing there with your tool in your hand crying like a little school girl saying "Wha...wha....what happened?"
You are a complete and utter moron, and I thank you for proving that to everyone that read your post. Even after quoting my post, you still have no idea what it says.
As far as counting 27 people on my radar: It's impossible to count. when you have that many people in the cantina it turns into one big blob. You don't have to believe me, I really don't care if you do or don't, but there were at least 50 people in Mos Eisley.
EDIT: I realize Hamrtime is an idiot and has trouble reading the big words, but don't the rest of you fall into the same trap. I'm not saying this because I want SWG to succeed. I absolutely hate the game. The only reason I still have access is I have the Station Pass for EQ, EQ2, Planetside, and MxO. I WISH I logged on and found the server absoultely empty. I WISH there was no one playing, but that just isn't the reality, and I won't lie or make crap up just because I don't like a game as seems to be the trend around here.
I do agree SWG lost TONS of players, NO ONE is denying that, but that doesn't mean the game is dead. I will also say I saw a lot more people on when I took those screenshots than I did the day I left the game.
Jodo, Ham.....both to bed without dinner, no TV for you tonite
Honestly, stop fighting ... it isnt important, if there were 27 or 28 or 82 player in a cantina and 83 in the same cantina Pre-NGE.
If the game fails one day, it will fail due to other reasons, and there are QUITE a few of them able to produce such result - 10 or 50 players more in one spot will not change or decide THAT.
How you guys liked the last Battleship Galactica show ?
Once again, to check on the declining population of SWG go to the official forums. There are many good pieces of solid information from which you can gage population. Some are message views, message replys, messages posted per day etc..
For example take your servers messages that have terminated in a month. On Kauri comparing the month of Feb. in
2004 1,127
2005 652
2006 260
Another is by looking at the guilds seeking members or players seeking guilds. You can garner this info by doing an advanced message search for messages written by Viraggo on your servers board every 3 monthts for guilds to advertise. Last week I found this for all servers combined:
Players seeking guilds in the ad message by views ( a rough estimate but still useful in determining % drop in the player base.)
April-June 61,724
July-Sept. 35,194
Dec.-March 10,843 (Note this is a 3.5 month period vs. a 3 month period for the others.)
Originally posted by ClaudeFR Jodo, Ham.....both to bed without dinner, no TV for you tonite Honestly, stop fighting ... it isnt important, if there were 27 or 28 or 82 player in a cantina and 83 in the same cantina Pre-NGE. If the game fails one day, it will fail due to other reasons, and there are QUITE a few of them able to produce such result - 10 or 50 players more in one spot will not change or decide THAT. How you guys liked the last Battleship Galactica show ?
If "Ham" were a bit smarter, he'd realize there is really nothing at all for us to agrue about, as he's already admitted I was right when he agreed that big city population is an accurate indicaton. No chance of him figuring that out though, no matter how many times I say it.
Dying?, yes. Its going to be a very long death. It was probly dying befor nge, Nge gave it some more life. It cut cost by reduecing the overhead 30 professions down to 9. The modern skill system was replaced by an older less costly leveling system. Broken content will never be fixed, its more cost efective to write new stuff than to track down small bugs in the old stuff. The forums were reduced in size. The next step is to combine servers (which has already happend with the servers in japan). It will probly be due to "hardware issues". In a healthy game the hardware would be upgraded, but not swg. It will be shut down and not replaced. Then a new starwars mmo will come out and the end will be in sight. My guess is 3 more years.
Originally posted by Jodokai If "Ham" were a bit smarter, he'd realize there is really nothing at all for us to agrue about, as he's already admitted I was right when he agreed that big city population is an accurate indicaton. No chance of him figuring that out though, no matter how many times I say it.
Jodokai...youre nutier than a pile of squirrel turds. I just might log onto bloodfin tonight right around peak time and take some screenies of my own. Not sure if I feel like posting them since im not sure how to clicky. And honestly it really wouldnt make any difference, that is unless you take a few more ridlin before checking the posts on how many people disagree with you.
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I dont know if those screen shots are supposed to prove that the game is or is not dieing...
But I can tell you that that is a very, very low amount of people compared to pre-CU and even CU. Of course, its impossible to say how many people are out on missions/in player cities/etc, but I would take that as 1) evidence (maybe not proof) that the server populations are lower, and 2) fairly strong evidence that the community aspect of the game is now almost completely gone.
I started playing swg at launch, i quit as a direct result of the nge, not because they changed it, but because the ui worked so badly, i came back to see if it was fixed and it is , more or less. Server populations are improving, but they still havnt made new content for the cl lvl 30-60 range yet, without it its a very long grind, and the gcw is dead, dead, dead, with every publish more of my base dissapears, now there are no walls, no npcs and the terms dont work becasue the professions needed to use them are not in the game anymore. in a few more publishes the bases will not be there at all, i think. all around i see broken content and unfinished ideas if this keeps going like it is it wont be repairable. its to bad, they worked on it until it was broke beyound repair.
no-one of EE
curious how they would get you information? isn't there laws to protect your identity on these forums? seems to me that you could have lawsuit there just of violation of privacy. but i'm not a lawyer. also your free to write and express whatever the heck you want regardless of your sources that where the "freedome of speech" if they can tell you, you can't say stuff like that then well where's the "freedom" thats my opinion.
Ceasar
I remember when nge hit we had a 2 week prior notice, it was the atomic bomb of the update so i think we will know till the very end if LA goes with Bioware. The game may have some people left but till when, publish 34? That mean august because soe always had the need to publish 2 update a month. So i think, if swg doesnt do better, i mean cash and sub, it will be closed or sold.
But i dont think this will happen, i think with the strong marketing sense of soe have renewned the contract with LA offering better than bioware.
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
You know what soe has to do to prove libel?
I seriously doubt it. Libel has to prove what I said was a known lie and I published it anyways with the intent to harm soe as soe is a public figure its very very difficult to prove libel.
I posted it was a rumor therefore they cannot hold me libel in court. If I said its true 100% then yes. Which I did not.
I hate to make a break in all the tension but honestly folks, don't you think SOE has better things to do than chase down dozens of dozens of individuals? It takes quite a bit of effort to sue someone, you'd think they'ed put this much effort into fixing their game up!
You can tear into me if you'd like, but come on, these are perfectly good people who are just trying to stir up a little hope in a product we all had alot of hope for.
All legalities and red tape aside, what gives?
Normally I would agree.. I do Law Enforcement and have seen people sue for the most idiotic reasons. My point is I do beleive $OE has nothing better to do with the moeny sent in than sue people for stupid reasons. God knows they arent spending any of that money on trying to improve the game or get competant people in positions of power.
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
oh come one...making lawsuits and winning some of them, if a very good way for a game to stay in operational mode. when all the players have gone, when most of the players online are bots with sophisticated AI, when the revenues are to a minimum, they will start making lawsuits. an excellent source of income, especially if they manage to drag into court the entire gaming community.
and in the end its a win0win scenario. since they have already lost the faith of the gaming community and they are the laughing stock of many sites, they cant gain any more money from them, and they cant loose what they never had. but imagine if they do manage to win...WOW(and i dont mean the game)....the money inflow will be tremendous...we shall see our fav game with more iconic classes(like the small robot where we used to kill in Dark Forces in order to get batteries, like the interogation droid, like a cleaning droid, where we could actually work in cantinas)...and the NGE3.4...with the newest in BUG capability...
i envy the players that will live to see this to happen
(den pame kalaaaaaaaa)
Get over it loser. Youre right, hypocrite isnt the right word. I should have used delusional. I want to know what town you live in so I know not where to drink the water. Do they still use lead paint where you live?
[quote]Originally posted by Jodokai
[b]And just to hear you apologize, I decided to take some screenies:
Here's Theed at 9pm[url=http://www.ecloner.com/photo/img/67dad0556f25cf62c302226469771f20/screenShot0012.jpg]
Here's Mos Eisley cantina about the same time:[url=http://www.ecloner.com/photo/img/19441df39f28e6c7a0b9461875261c66/screenShot0016.jpg]
Mos Eisley again, look at that radar:[url=http://www.ecloner.com/photo/img/e34acbfe043194ae08bac0cac71dfc68/screenShot0019.jpg]
And I walked into the first room on Mustafar:[url=http://www.ecloner.com/photo/img/db2463e1151738c33e848fdfe583f239/screenShot0021.jpg]
I went to 3 places for all of 2 minutes and found all these people. So feel free to apologize.[/b][/quote]
OMG......You call that alot of people? But didnt you say that big cities arent the place to see how populated a server is? You are contradictng yourself. You count 11 people in theed crowded? Now go into the cantina in cnet and take a shot, go into the cantina in theed and take a screenshot. Its funny how you want to make people think that there are tons of people playing when you can take a screenshot of anywhere where people are. You have no idea what a crowded city is do you? I cant wait for the day that swg shuts down due to lack of server population and I can give you a big "haha I told you so".
You are clearly at the point of no return on your opinion of whats going on with swg. No matter what you read, see, or what actions are taken at soe you clearly will go down with the ship. And when it sinks to the bottom youre gonna be standing there with your tool in your hand crying like a little school girl saying "Wha...wha....what happened?"
I think a lot of you have missed the point of the screen shots.
There were probably over 50 people in Mos Eisley. Look at the radar in my screen shots.
Yes, people were just "standing around in Theed" but that's because it's a screen shot, which means it's like a photograph, not a movie. I didn't even check out the Cantina and saw probably 30 people in the minute and a half I was there.
On Mustfara I walked into the first room and saw a group getting ready to go out. It was a room that has NOTHING. There is no reason for people to be there, and I found people. I didn't bother to go down where all the quests are handed out, I didn't go outside where every fights, just walked into the first room and left. It took me a whopping 15 seconds to find a group of people.
So my point is, as much as it pains me to say it, this game is not dead. There are people playing the game. I was on for a total of probably 10 minutes with load times (I love watching that Mustafar movie) and seeing what people were saying in the Cantina.
Tonight I'll see if Bria is any different.
I count 27 on that eisley radar, 8 on mustafar, around 15-20 in theed.
Here's the SWG I remember (Bria). Since I do not have the screenshots, I'll need to make educated guesses. A group was 20 people at that time:
cnet starport: 4-6 docs, 5-10 people in each line = 20-60 people
cnet others: 10-20
cnet cantina: 1 semi full ent group = 15
cnet visitors (ent buff group): 10-20
chet med center: 3-6 docs, 5-10 visitors
= 60-130
theed sp: 10 (spammers), 5-20 visitors
theed cantina: 8 regulars, 5-15 visitors
=30 - 60
mos eisley cantina: 1 full ent group + visitors
mos eisley sp and vicinity: around 20 total
jabba's themepark: 5 people minimum at any time
tat krayt spaws: 15 people anytime easily (usually in groups of 3-6)
dant MO: 4 solo groups at any time, hard to get in as they were always full
dant MO others: 10+ people at any time, at least 1 doc + 5 people in line
= around 100
dath village: 20+ at any time, some just dumping xp
dath SO: baz nitch runners, usually one group there
dath SO cantina: 4 ent regulars, 10-20 visitors (judged from group size)
dath (other outpost): 10
= 70 - 100
endor: hard to say, but you'd see your share of jedi grinders
player cities: Many guilds hung out at player cities exclusively. On Bria, going to Bastion as overt rebel would lead to at least 10 imperials porting in within 2 minutes.
pvp: Base raids every several days would bring in at least 3 full groups on either side (120 people total). Largest battles that put real pressure on the server involved 200-300 people (I actually have some screenshots lying around of that). Typical pvp would involve one group minimum on both sides.
Before they removed it, you could set up chat selection window, and look who has joined the "Auction" channel. Everyone who was logged in would apear there, regardless of /anon. Minimal population of tat was 250+ at any given time. Dant was 300+, dath 150+, don't remember the rest.
During the post-cu jedi grind after rryat was "closed", Lok on Bria would sometimes peak 400.
Another major aspect are the traders. Last time I looked around two months ago, vendors were abandoned. A small number of people was selling either LS resources, or looted armor and clothing. Looking at the map hardly any vendors apeared anymore, where they used to be litered. Any and
No, the game is not dead, far from it. But active population fell through the floor.
And yea, i know, before it was all afk-bots, everyone was just running afk macros that played the game for you, so please disregard anyone claiming high population before NGE or even higher before CU. /endsarcasm
Hate to break this to you, but you can't sue someone unless they're revealing TRUE inside information. And before you flame me, I know form professional experience.
If there wasn't some truth to it, they wouldn't even risk threatening, since they can be sued for it. Welcome to America, here's your lawyer!
That said, if these letters are true, they are proof.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
ROFL.... Even Smed sayd the game is bleeding to death. Man, even the hardcore RP's are quitting now. Oh, and there are 25 other servers, Bria isn't the only one.
It's over. It's sad, but it's over. SOE is now hoping the PS3 will save it (trying to tempt LA to stay for it), and it won't, since a bad game with bad press doesn't sell no matter what platform.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Umm, so AC 2 is just dieing eh? Maybe you remember another one called Earth & Beyond?
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
ROFL.... Even Smed sayd the game is bleeding to death. Man, even the hardcore RP's are quitting now. Oh, and there are 25 other servers, Bria isn't the only one.
It's over. It's sad, but it's over. SOE is now hoping the PS3 will save it (trying to tempt LA to stay for it), and it won't, since a bad game with bad press doesn't sell no matter what platform.
Er no, Smed said that the game is losing people at a lesser rate then before the NGE...
While we're doing show and tell, here's tonights server loads at around 9pm EST. No, there aren't the heavies like there was pre-nge, but it ain't dead
You are a complete and utter moron, and I thank you for proving that to everyone that read your post. Even after quoting my post, you still have no idea what it says.
As far as counting 27 people on my radar: It's impossible to count. when you have that many people in the cantina it turns into one big blob. You don't have to believe me, I really don't care if you do or don't, but there were at least 50 people in Mos Eisley.
EDIT: I realize Hamrtime is an idiot and has trouble reading the big words, but don't the rest of you fall into the same trap. I'm not saying this because I want SWG to succeed. I absolutely hate the game. The only reason I still have access is I have the Station Pass for EQ, EQ2, Planetside, and MxO. I WISH I logged on and found the server absoultely empty. I WISH there was no one playing, but that just isn't the reality, and I won't lie or make crap up just because I don't like a game as seems to be the trend around here.
I do agree SWG lost TONS of players, NO ONE is denying that, but that doesn't mean the game is dead. I will also say I saw a lot more people on when I took those screenshots than I did the day I left the game.
Jodo, Ham.....both to bed without dinner, no TV for you tonite
Honestly, stop fighting ... it isnt important, if there were 27 or 28 or 82 player in a cantina and 83 in the same cantina Pre-NGE.
If the game fails one day, it will fail due to other reasons, and there are QUITE a few of them able to produce such result - 10 or 50 players more in one spot will not change or decide THAT.
How you guys liked the last Battleship Galactica show ?
Claude
Once again, to check on the declining population of SWG go to the official forums. There are many good pieces of solid information from which you can gage population. Some are message views, message replys, messages posted per day etc..
For example take your servers messages that have terminated in a month. On Kauri comparing the month of Feb. in
2004 1,127
2005 652
2006 260
Another is by looking at the guilds seeking members or players seeking guilds. You can garner this info by doing an advanced message search for messages written by Viraggo on your servers board every 3 monthts for guilds to advertise. Last week I found this for all servers combined:
Players seeking guilds in the ad message by views ( a rough estimate but still useful in determining % drop in the player base.)
April-June 61,724
July-Sept. 35,194
Dec.-March 10,843 (Note this is a 3.5 month period vs. a 3 month period for the others.)
IMO, SWG dead = NO. SWG dying = YES.
Dying?, yes. Its going to be a very long death. It was probly dying befor nge, Nge gave it some more life. It cut cost by reduecing the overhead 30 professions down to 9. The modern skill system was replaced by an older less costly leveling system. Broken content will never be fixed, its more cost efective to write new stuff than to track down small bugs in the old stuff. The forums were reduced in size. The next step is to combine servers (which has already happend with the servers in japan). It will probly be due to "hardware issues". In a healthy game the hardware would be upgraded, but not swg. It will be shut down and not replaced. Then a new starwars mmo will come out and the end will be in sight. My guess is 3 more years.
no-one of EE
Jodokai...youre nutier than a pile of squirrel turds. I just might log onto bloodfin tonight right around peak time and take some screenies of my own. Not sure if I feel like posting them since im not sure how to clicky. And honestly it really wouldnt make any difference, that is unless you take a few more ridlin before checking the posts on how many people disagree with you.
LMFAO!
now at least SOMEONE has a sense of humour here
cheers
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