I don't have time to sift through this whole thread, but have any of you bothered to check on the HR1811 bill referenced in the "lawyers letter" of the OP? Were it an actual, Federal resolution, it would probably show up on Google pretty high on the list. Instead, you get a list of various state house resolutions.
Oh, and there is one Federal HR1811 before Congress. It's the Family Opportunity Act. I highly doubt any real lawyer would reference that in regards to internet slander.
Smells like bullshit to me.
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Jodokai...youre nutier than a pile of squirrel turds. I just might log onto bloodfin tonight right around peak time and take some screenies of my own. Not sure if I feel like posting them since im not sure how to clicky. And honestly it really wouldnt make any difference, that is unless you take a few more ridlin before checking the posts on how many people disagree with you.
How would you know who disagrees with me? You still have no idea what I've said, that whole reading thing is really kicking your ass.
Come on guys....stop it. You can pretty much argue this point of city population both ways. Some say its an accurate indicator, some say it doesnt.
What I say?
It is to a point. If it a regular gathering point of people that play the game, and you saw people there at the same time you saw them there, and now theyre not there - that IS an indicator of whether or not the population diminished. Yes, you can tell. But if its a general city, then no. Theres stormwind on WoW if I remember correctly and there were hardly ever people in it. But now take a look at Ironforge, there are TONS of people there when I was there. It depends, people, and thats that.
Another cool headed steelarm quote to save the day - with my WoW Gamecard that I stole off a afk barb on SB with my thief. Ohh yea, Im good.
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Er no, Smed said that the game is losing people at a lesser rate then before the NGE...
While we're doing show and tell, here's tonights server loads at around 9pm EST. No, there aren't the heavies like there was pre-nge, but it ain't dead
wow, things sure have changed since ive played. never saw bria(my old server)with less than very heavy at any time of the day.
i agree with Obraik. i doubt the game is "dead" as most people put it. im sure they've got enough people to keep it running. but the real question: Is SOE making the amount of money they want? Probably not. that Star Wars license does not come cheap. unless of course they are using it as a tax write off.
Originally posted by achesoma Originally posted by Obraik Er no, Smed said that the game is losing people at a lesser rate then before the NGE... While we're doing show and tell, here's tonights server loads at around 9pm EST. No, there aren't the heavies like there was pre-nge, but it ain't dead wow, things sure have changed since ive played. never saw bria(my old server)with less than very heavy at any time of the day. i agree with Obraik. i doubt the game is "dead" as most people put it. im sure they've got enough people to keep it running. but the real question: Is SOE making the amount of money they want? Probably not. that Star Wars license does not come cheap. unless of course they are using it as a tax write off.
Yeah and you also have to remember that they changed the server amount gauge too. So medium now was probably very light back then lol.
I dont think anyone who used to play can say the population didn't fall, its painfully obvious. As for the game dying, I think swg is dead already. I consider "dead" to mean that most of the community hates the developer, gaming sites are filled with forums of mad as hell ex-players, 3 of its most talented devs gone, and people in the industry cant stop laughing when you mention its name. Id say thats pretty dead right there. Who cares if the servers are still up if very few people are actually playing and 9/10 reviews are negative?
Originally posted by Obraik Er no, Smed said that the game is losing people at a lesser rate then before the NGE... While we're doing show and tell, here's tonights server loads at around 9pm EST. No, there aren't the heavies like there was pre-nge, but it ain't dead
wow, things sure have changed since ive played. never saw bria(my old server)with less than very heavy at any time of the day. i agree with Obraik. i doubt the game is "dead" as most people put it. im sure they've got enough people to keep it running. but the real question: Is SOE making the amount of money they want? Probably not. that Star Wars license does not come cheap. unless of course they are using it as a tax write off.
Yeah and you also have to remember that they changed the server amount gauge too. So medium now was probably very light back then lol.
I dont think anyone who used to play can say the population didn't fall, its painfully obvious. As for the game dying, I think swg is dead already. I consider "dead" to mean that most of the community hates the developer, gaming sites are filled with forums of mad as hell ex-players, 3 of its most talented devs gone, and people in the industry cant stop laughing when you mention its name. Id say thats pretty dead right there. Who cares if the servers are still up if very few people are actually playing and 9/10 reviews are negative?
Do you have proof that they changed the server rating numbers? I don't think they did, at least not since the CU hit. Here's a screeny from July 27th
There were posts in the SWG forums a while back with hacked server numbers. The OP stated how it was done... Since then you can no longer "sniff Packets" due to a stealth fix by $OE. Based on those numbers (and I concede they may be wrong) you could come to server status numbers for light heavy etc...
Now based on what my friends who still play are telling me there are very few people online. When I mean few I mean 40-50 people. The thing that kills me is the noobs state that they see people everywhere. I want them to define that. 40-50 people that they see might be a lot for a new player. For those of us who played since day 1, well all I can say is my first GUILD had over 400 people in it. Second guild well over a 100, with about 70 percent of those people being active (lots of alts also). My point is there were a lot more people playing before the NGE than after.
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars.. Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons... Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
Originally posted by Xcathdra There were posts in the SWG forums a while back with hacked server numbers. The OP stated how it was done... Since then you can no longer "sniff Packets" due to a stealth fix by $OE. Based on those numbers (and I concede they may be wrong) you could come to server status numbers for light heavy etc...
Now based on what my friends who still play are telling me there are very few people online. When I mean few I mean 40-50 people. The thing that kills me is the noobs state that they see people everywhere. I want them to define that. 40-50 people that they see might be a lot for a new player. For those of us who played since day 1, well all I can say is my first GUILD had over 400 people in it. Second guild well over a 100, with about 70 percent of those people being active (lots of alts also). My point is there were a lot more people playing before the NGE than after.
Xcathdra
Imagine them walking into the Coronet Starport and seeing 200+ players at one time...you know the days when it took for ever to render all the players. Noob players today are lucky they don't have to deal with annoying crap like that. Beacuse the NGE rox.
Originally posted by Xcathdra There were posts in the SWG forums a while back with hacked server numbers. The OP stated how it was done... Since then you can no longer "sniff Packets" due to a stealth fix by $OE. Based on those numbers (and I concede they may be wrong) you could come to server status numbers for light heavy etc...
Now based on what my friends who still play are telling me there are very few people online. When I mean few I mean 40-50 people. The thing that kills me is the noobs state that they see people everywhere. I want them to define that. 40-50 people that they see might be a lot for a new player. For those of us who played since day 1, well all I can say is my first GUILD had over 400 people in it. Second guild well over a 100, with about 70 percent of those people being active (lots of alts also). My point is there were a lot more people playing before the NGE than after.
Xcathdra
Yep, you'll never be able to acutally PROVE it without the acutal numbers , hence the arguing in this thread. But i KNOW just from playing pre-cu and again mid way thru the cu that server wasnt nearly as full, even tho it may have said it was. Thats why i think they changed the criteria for the servers with the cu, but i didnt have a habit of taking ss's of the login screen so i cant help prove it.
I really don't get the obsession with SWG or SOE. I'm a pre-CU Vet too, but I don't keep nagging about it. The game had potential, it wasn't realized. That's it, on to the next game. It's not like player pressure really makes a difference with SOE anyway.
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Originally posted by Nihilx I really don't get the obsession with SWG or SOE. I'm a pre-CU Vet too, but I don't keep nagging about it. The game had potential, it wasn't realized. That's it, on to the next game. It's not like player pressure really makes a difference with SOE anyway.
If you werent obsessed with it pre-cu then i guess you wouldnt be now. /shrug. I was
I quit last year and have been doing pretty good until recently with all these rumors going around it started bringing back old obsessions. lol
Originally posted by Steelarm011 Come on guys....stop it. You can pretty much argue this point of city population both ways. Some say its an accurate indicator, some say it doesnt. The thing is though, we're both saying it doesn't. He just can't read. What I say? It is to a point. If it a regular gathering point of people that play the game, and you saw people there at the same time you saw them there, and now theyre not there - that IS an indicator of whether or not the population diminished. Yes, you can tell. But if its a general city, then no. Theres stormwind on WoW if I remember correctly and there were hardly ever people in it. But now take a look at Ironforge, there are TONS of people there when I was there. It depends, people, and thats that. The problem with this though, is there are reasons people hang out in certain places. If the reasons to hang out in that place go away, people will stop hanging out there. I'm not going to go into all the reasons again, if you think about it a bit you'll realize there is no reason for anyone to be in C-net. Think about why everyone went there is the first place, and you'll realize all those reasons are gone.
"The game had potential, it wasn't realized. That's it, on to the next game. It's not like player pressure really makes a difference with SOE anyway."
Well... I didn't quote the whole thing but about hanging on.
You know I clung to "why they heck didn't they do wasteland 2" right up till Fallout was announced. I kind of still think of the Wasteland story and wonder.
I'm still waiting for Star Flight 3 (hoping it was more like star flight 1 than 2)
I'm still hoping someone buys the rights to Earth and Beyond and does it justice.
I'm still hoping that there is a UO2...
But you ARE totally correct. Player pressure or posts don't change corporate attitude.
Which is why I no longer (as of last week) have any soe accounts. Nor do I plan to any time soon. The only thing that changes a corporate mindset is financial loss and a lot of it.
Tho from the news I've seen about Sony Corp since Oct/Nov of last year. I think they are getting to the point where they change or ... SWG may just be the foreshadow of their entire Corporation.
Also sure that recent court decision to let the 91 million dollar lawsuit stand against them wasn't good either. Altho I'm sure they'll appeal farther spending more on court fees than if they just paid up. Another brilliant corporate thing.
(oh if you don't know what that story was... It was something to do with Immersion (technology) and the play station.. rumble controllers or something). The company sued Sony Corp for patent violation and won... Sony appealed and lost again... that was couple weeks ago.
Originally posted by Jodokai Originally posted by Steelarm011 Come on guys....stop it. You can pretty much argue this point of city population both ways. Some say its an accurate indicator, some say it doesnt. The thing is though, we're both saying it doesn't. He just can't read.What color is they sky in the world you live in? Are you really bi-polar? I was just kidding earlier when I told you to pop more ridlin but now im seriously uncertain. I quoted " Ive never said that the big cities being desserted was the only indicator. It is one of many indicators that swg is dead." If you can find anywhere in my posts where I claimed that big cities werent a factor please do cause maybe I need to take some of the meds you are forgeting to take.What I say? It is to a point. If it a regular gathering point of people that play the game, and you saw people there at the same time you saw them there, and now theyre not there - that IS an indicator of whether or not the population diminished. Yes, you can tell. But if its a general city, then no. Theres stormwind on WoW if I remember correctly and there were hardly ever people in it. But now take a look at Ironforge, there are TONS of people there when I was there. It depends, people, and thats that. The problem with this though, is there are reasons people hang out in certain places. If the reasons to hang out in that place go away, people will stop hanging out there. I'm not going to go into all the reasons again, if you think about it a bit you'll realize there is no reason for anyone to be in C-net. Think about why everyone went there is the first place, and you'll realize all those reasons are gone.
Here is the def of "hypocrite" A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.
OMG Jodokai...you claim that no one needs big cities anymore but you turn around and take screenshots of Theed, Mos Eisley, Mos Eisley cantina and some place on Mustafar where the population is. Dude.....wtf. Are you really in control of your actions? Dont you think those screenshots show thats where the few people on your server really are? Get a grip. Take a step back and think before you post.
Im not gonna comment any further on your idiodic census and conclusions of swg due to the fact that I think youve proven yourself to be a hypocrite just like I stated earlier in this thread. Please dont read this and get mad and go postal on anyone where you live. It would only make matters worse for you. Go ahead and keep posting cause I get a kick out of reading them. My time here is done.
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I don't have time to sift through this whole thread, but have any of you bothered to check on the HR1811 bill referenced in the "lawyers letter" of the OP? Were it an actual, Federal resolution, it would probably show up on Google pretty high on the list. Instead, you get a list of various state house resolutions.
Oh, and there is one Federal HR1811 before Congress. It's the Family Opportunity Act. I highly doubt any real lawyer would reference that in regards to internet slander.
Smells like bullshit to me.
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Come on guys....stop it. You can pretty much argue this point of city population both ways. Some say its an accurate indicator, some say it doesnt.
What I say?
It is to a point. If it a regular gathering point of people that play the game, and you saw people there at the same time you saw them there, and now theyre not there - that IS an indicator of whether or not the population diminished. Yes, you can tell. But if its a general city, then no. Theres stormwind on WoW if I remember correctly and there were hardly ever people in it. But now take a look at Ironforge, there are TONS of people there when I was there. It depends, people, and thats that.
Another cool headed steelarm quote to save the day - with my WoW Gamecard that I stole off a afk barb on SB with my thief. Ohh yea, Im good.
PWNED!
-------------------------------------------
Steelarm, Doctor of MMO gaming, ethics, and ideas.
wow, things sure have changed since ive played. never saw bria(my old server)with less than very heavy at any time of the day.
i agree with Obraik. i doubt the game is "dead" as most people put it. im sure they've got enough people to keep it running. but the real question: Is SOE making the amount of money they want? Probably not. that Star Wars license does not come cheap. unless of course they are using it as a tax write off.
Yeah and you also have to remember that they changed the server amount gauge too. So medium now was probably very light back then lol.
I dont think anyone who used to play can say the population didn't fall, its painfully obvious. As for the game dying, I think swg is dead already. I consider "dead" to mean that most of the community hates the developer, gaming sites are filled with forums of mad as hell ex-players, 3 of its most talented devs gone, and people in the industry cant stop laughing when you mention its name. Id say thats pretty dead right there. Who cares if the servers are still up if very few people are actually playing and 9/10 reviews are negative?
For the Horde!
Yeah and you also have to remember that they changed the server amount gauge too. So medium now was probably very light back then lol.
I dont think anyone who used to play can say the population didn't fall, its painfully obvious. As for the game dying, I think swg is dead already. I consider "dead" to mean that most of the community hates the developer, gaming sites are filled with forums of mad as hell ex-players, 3 of its most talented devs gone, and people in the industry cant stop laughing when you mention its name. Id say thats pretty dead right there. Who cares if the servers are still up if very few people are actually playing and 9/10 reviews are negative?
Do you have proof that they changed the server rating numbers? I don't think they did, at least not since the CU hit. Here's a screeny from July 27th
No, unfortunately i dont have proof.
For the Horde!
There were posts in the SWG forums a while back with hacked server numbers. The OP stated how it was done... Since then you can no longer "sniff Packets" due to a stealth fix by $OE. Based on those numbers (and I concede they may be wrong) you could come to server status numbers for light heavy etc...
Now based on what my friends who still play are telling me there are very few people online. When I mean few I mean 40-50 people. The thing that kills me is the noobs state that they see people everywhere. I want them to define that. 40-50 people that they see might be a lot for a new player. For those of us who played since day 1, well all I can say is my first GUILD had over 400 people in it. Second guild well over a 100, with about 70 percent of those people being active (lots of alts also). My point is there were a lot more people playing before the NGE than after.
Xcathdra
Having access to a billion $ IP - Billions of dollars..
Having access to a massive fan base of said IP - Even more Billons...
Singly handedly alienating them due to stupidity - Priceless.
Imagine them walking into the Coronet Starport and seeing 200+ players at one time...you know the days when it took for ever to render all the players. Noob players today are lucky they don't have to deal with annoying crap like that. Beacuse the NGE rox.
Yep, you'll never be able to acutally PROVE it without the acutal numbers , hence the arguing in this thread. But i KNOW just from playing pre-cu and again mid way thru the cu that server wasnt nearly as full, even tho it may have said it was. Thats why i think they changed the criteria for the servers with the cu, but i didnt have a habit of taking ss's of the login screen so i cant help prove it.
For the Horde!
I really don't get the obsession with SWG or SOE. I'm a pre-CU Vet too, but I don't keep nagging about it. The game had potential, it wasn't realized. That's it, on to the next game. It's not like player pressure really makes a difference with SOE anyway.
AC (retired); EQ (retired); DAoC (retired); Horizons (retired); EQII (retired); CoH (retired); AC II (tested); Lineage II (beta); Neocron (tested); Saga of Ryzom (beta); SWG (retired)...
If you werent obsessed with it pre-cu then i guess you wouldnt be now. /shrug. I was
I quit last year and have been doing pretty good until recently with all these rumors going around it started bringing back old obsessions. lol
For the Horde!
"The game had potential, it wasn't realized. That's it, on to the next game. It's not like player pressure really makes a difference with SOE anyway."
Well... I didn't quote the whole thing but about hanging on.
You know I clung to "why they heck didn't they do wasteland 2" right up till Fallout was announced. I kind of still think of the Wasteland story and wonder.
I'm still waiting for Star Flight 3 (hoping it was more like star flight 1 than 2)
I'm still hoping someone buys the rights to Earth and Beyond and does it justice.
I'm still hoping that there is a UO2...
But you ARE totally correct. Player pressure or posts don't change corporate attitude.
Which is why I no longer (as of last week) have any soe accounts. Nor do I plan to any time soon. The only thing that changes a corporate mindset is financial loss and a lot of it.
Tho from the news I've seen about Sony Corp since Oct/Nov of last year. I think they are getting to the point where they change or ... SWG may just be the foreshadow of their entire Corporation.
Also sure that recent court decision to let the 91 million dollar lawsuit stand against them wasn't good either. Altho I'm sure they'll appeal farther spending more on court fees than if they just paid up. Another brilliant corporate thing.
(oh if you don't know what that story was... It was something to do with Immersion (technology) and the play station.. rumble controllers or something). The company sued Sony Corp for patent violation and won... Sony appealed and lost again... that was couple weeks ago.
Here is the def of "hypocrite" A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold.
OMG Jodokai...you claim that no one needs big cities anymore but you turn around and take screenshots of Theed, Mos Eisley, Mos Eisley cantina and some place on Mustafar where the population is. Dude.....wtf. Are you really in control of your actions? Dont you think those screenshots show thats where the few people on your server really are? Get a grip. Take a step back and think before you post.
Im not gonna comment any further on your idiodic census and conclusions of swg due to the fact that I think youve proven yourself to be a hypocrite just like I stated earlier in this thread. Please dont read this and get mad and go postal on anyone where you live. It would only make matters worse for you. Go ahead and keep posting cause I get a kick out of reading them. My time here is done.